[00:41] <Scary_Guy> @mrgoodcat no not the bell.  Though if they included those at prompts that would be awesome I guess.  It's more about it actually getting used.
[02:50] <greg-g> OK, it's late where ya'll are but: If I were in the market for "a thing I can put in the living room to play movies via things like Netflix and Amazon Prime but also some stuff I have locally on a NAS or laptop, whatever is easier" what should I get?
[02:51] <greg-g> And good effing lord did we do something wrong to the humble "TV" that I now have to type all that ^ to reference what I want now.
[02:51] <OERIAS> Hello Michigan
[02:52] <OERIAS> may I ask a university question?
[02:52] <OERIAS> is UMich good for CS?
[03:12] <jrwren> yes, very.
[11:44] <rick_h> greg-g:  I've followed wirecutter lately and been done ok. Just don't get anything vizio ugh
[14:02] <jrwren> what's wrong with vizio?
[14:03] <cmaloney> They're a privacy nightmare, and believe that selling your information is the only way to sell cheap TVs.
[14:05] <rick_h> ugh, I got one for the rv and it's a mess. Can't remove apps, get ads when you turn on the tv, and then there's the privacy issues/etc
[14:05] <rick_h> and it's slow and a pita to use and /me throws tv against rocks
[14:24] <greg-g> got it, no vizio. I was looking at the Roku TVs. There's a used 55" Samsung roku tv for sale relatively near by
[14:25] <rick_h> honestly, the best things are getting tvs without all the crap in them and then going roku + chromecast and works a ton better.
[14:28] <jrwren> costs more... cuz the cheapo TVs they make money on all the spying and ads that you just mentioned :(
[14:28] <rick_h> yea, but at least then I could upgrade my roku to the new one with 4k support and such vs a whole new everything
[14:29] <rick_h> and ime here with limited wifi the tv will choke on a disney+ movie on the app, but it'll cast just fine from my phone
[14:29] <rick_h> so the apps don't seem to do as well with streaming qulity/adjustments
[14:38] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd try to get the most stripped-down TV possible and then connect a separate device
[14:39] <cmaloney> it's when they put the device in the TV that things go horribly wrong
[14:48] <jrwren> thankfully, that has not been my experience.
[14:48] <jrwren> but I'm guessing it is because my TV is just old enough and yet just new enough.
[14:49] <jrwren> and we only use the amazon app built into the TV
[14:49] <jrwren> and the TV is wired, not wifi.
[14:50] <rick_h> heh yea so we don't use amazon but disney+, netflix, and of course the tv doesn't have google play but that's where my movies live I pay for/rent a lot so that I can only cast from my phone
[14:50] <jrwren> ugh :(
[14:50] <rick_h> always a juggle of stringing wires together just right
[14:50] <jrwren> i wonder if there is a kodi app for google play.
[14:50] <jrwren> ugh... search for that and you get kodi on the google play app store.
[14:51] <rick_h> yea https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.xbmc.kodi and then you can cast that using chromecast/etc it looks like
[14:51] <jrwren> yeah, I was thinking the inverse.
[14:52] <jrwren> kodi on an rpi running an app that lets you play google play videos.
[14:52] <rick_h> oic
[14:52] <jrwren> but sounds like google play videos has no api and is proprietary.
[14:52] <rick_h> with this lock down I've been consuming enough media stuff I'm debating going back to having an android tablet
[14:52] <rick_h> as I hate watching stuff on my phone but anything that's too adult I can't watch because I'm in this trailer with the boy.
[14:52] <jrwren> because greg-g's original question included, "also some stuff I have locally on a NAS..>" which IMO kodi is the best for.
[14:53] <rick_h> yea, that would help with that. I think some tvs even have plex apps but all depends
[14:53] <greg-g> jrwren: I was looking at kodi, but all the guides on getting netflix/amazon video setup included random (and different! depending on which guide I read) github repos for the plugins :/
[14:54] <jrwren> right.
[14:54] <jrwren> I'd not use it for that.
[14:54] <greg-g> github user accounts like "XSkullKillerXX" (made up, but close)
[14:54] <jrwren> I'd get a roku for those, and an rpi3 (because 4 gets too hot) for kodi
[14:54] <greg-g> ahhhhh
[14:55] <jrwren> either 4 gets too hot, or I have a bad 4, because my 4 crashes WAY too much :(
[14:55] <jrwren> I mean... $40 for roku, $35 for rpi and you probably have an unused microsd for the rpi, and you are set.
[14:55] <jrwren> IMO.
[14:55] <greg-g> bummer, I just have a 4, but can get a 3 of course ;) (need to leave one avail for fun projects with rowan)
[14:55] <jrwren> well, if your 4 isn't in use, then it is definitely worth trying with kodi.
[14:56] <jrwren> kodi's twitch app has been nice to watch some of the recent live concerts on the TV instead of laptop.
[17:40] <zarozombie> everyone having fun?
[17:54] <cmaloney> So far so good. Yourself?
[17:55] <cmaloney> Apparently FedEx is just not going to deliver our wine
[17:55] <cmaloney> I hope the driver enjoys our rotgut
[17:57] <zarozombie> funny fedex has refused to pick up at aaa lately...
[17:58] <cmaloney> well, it wouldn't sting nearly as much if the FedEx truck wasn't outside our house on Sunday, stopped, and then drove off
[18:00] <rick_h> oh noes!
[18:00] <cmaloney> I mean, I'm not a monster. I understand that transferring things from point A to point B takes time. But seeing two trucks on Sunday with a promise that it would be delivered on Sunday, and having a delivery truck make a notable effort to stop in front of our house makes me leery that it will ever happen
[18:01] <waldo323_> what kind of wine?
[18:02] <cmaloney> St. Julian
[18:02] <cmaloney> so it's not something like 21 year old Brandy or Cognac or what-not
[18:02] <cmaloney> or a 1944 Margaux
[18:02] <waldo323_> hmm i don't have any of that, and haven't been drinking what is here
[18:03] <cmaloney> St. Julian is a Michigan winery
[18:03] <cmaloney> so we were hoping it would show up before our anniversary (on a lark)
[18:03] <cmaloney> Since we're not going to Frankenmuth this year
[18:03] <waldo323_> used to pass the signs for it along i94
[18:03] <waldo323_> which day is that?
[18:04] <cmaloney> and St.Julian makes a lot of Frankenmuth wines
[18:04] <cmaloney> Sunday
[18:04] <cmaloney> https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/margaux+medoc+bordeaux+france/1944
[18:05] <waldo323_> while what i have isn't st julian's if i have something you could use i'd be happy to give it to you
[18:05] <waldo323_> (if it can be done safely)
[18:05] <cmaloney> waldo323_: No worries. thank you
[18:05] <cmaloney> Actually my parents got us some proseco (Kirkland) so we're all set
[18:06] <cmaloney> It's more the principle than anything
[18:06] <waldo323_> ah :)
[18:06] <cmaloney> since I tolkd JoDee that FedEx might be better than UPS ground
[18:06] <cmaloney> and FedEx is my least favorite carrier next to DHL
[18:07] <rick_h> oh geeze, dhl is the worst
[18:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, DHL has a package compression algorithm.
[18:10] <rick_h> lol, and a routing algorithm that weights towards moving away from you as much as towards you
[18:25] <cmaloney> That's just efficiency.
[18:29] <zarozombie> truck stop and drove by that was a good laugh for me...sorry
[18:36] <cmaloney> No worries. My life is comedy
[18:36] <greg-g> cmaloney: happy early anniversary :)
[18:44] <jrwren> i used to drink a lot of St. Julian when I was younger and drank wine :)
[18:44] <jrwren> happy anniversary cmaloney
[18:52] <rick_h> cmaloney:  congrats sir congrats
[18:52] <cmaloney> Thanks!
[18:53] <zarozombie> 2 more week and my first batch of homemade wine will be done :D
[18:53] <zarozombie> how may year is it now?
[19:02] <cmaloney> 17 years
[19:02] <cmaloney> Though we've known each other 27 years
[19:09] <zarozombie> 10 is good xp b4 marrage my opinion
[19:11] <jrwren> i only lasted 6... almost 7
[19:18] <zarozombie> mine was 3ish lol
[19:19] <cmaloney> I mean, it was more logistics that kept us from getting married beforehand
[19:19] <cmaloney> she was in school so I didn't want to screw up her loans and what-not
[19:19] <cmaloney> so we got married when she went to grad school
[20:32] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: o/ decade club
[20:32] <mrgoodcat> congrats
[20:32] <mrgoodcat> kim and I also dated for 10 years before getting married, if that wasn't clear
[20:39] <cmaloney> <3
[22:30] <cmaloney> https://jitsi.decafbad.net/MichiganUsrGroupMeeting20200512