[00:36] <HypothesisFrog> hi. Just upgraded to ubuntu studio 20.04. The problem I'm having is that applications take a really long time to load. They didn't used to.
[00:38] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: is it all applications? just some applications?
[00:38] <HypothesisFrog> sarnold, all
[00:38] <HypothesisFrog> pretty much
[00:38] <HypothesisFrog> I haven't tried ALL the applications.
[00:39] <HypothesisFrog> One of the things I did before I upgraded from 19.10, was I backed up my user directory, including all config files. Could my old user config files be causing the new system some confusion?
[00:40] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: I've heard that some of the applications packaged as snaps are slower to start than the older .deb versions, but haven't tested myself
[00:42] <HypothesisFrog> sarnold, does sudo apt-get use snaps?
[00:42] <genii> Sort of a trick question
[00:42] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: some deb packages do install snaps as part of their processing; eg apt install chromium-browser or lxd will do a postinst snap install chromium-browser or snap install lxd
[00:43] <genii> Chromium, yes, is the one I was reminded of
[00:47] <designbybeck> Ubuntu 20.04 on Samsung Notebook 9 Pro. ....No Sound? ANyone else have this issues?
[00:48] <sarnold> designbybeck: usually running pavucontrol is enough to help folks find out what to change
[00:48] <designbybeck> sarnold is that in Ubuntu by default?
[00:48] <designbybeck> run it in the CLI?
[00:49] <sarnold> designbybeck: it's a gui program, so you can launch it however you like; I'm not sure if it's installed by default or not
[00:50] <designbybeck> so that is the default audio site
[00:51] <designbybeck> audio program
[00:52] <HypothesisFrog> Wish I could solve the problem. I'm used to applications loading instantly. Not waiting 5-10 seconds.
[00:52] <HypothesisFrog> sarnold,
[00:57] <HypothesisFrog> Hang on. This guy reckons he had a similar problem, and it turned out to be the nvidia drivers. I'll try that.
[00:58] <HypothesisFrog> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230620/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-very-slow
[01:00] <HypothesisFrog> yep. Much better.
[01:02] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: hah, how the heck did you get anything useful out of that post? well done, anyway :)
[01:19] <glitsj16> I'm dual-booting Ubuntu 16.04 and Arch Linux and I face a somewhat complicated GRUB issue. The default grub-pc version on xenial generates 'initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img' for all the Arch Linux stanzas instead of 'initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux.img' (because arch deals differently with the microcode loading). So while not incorrect, it does mean I have to manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg all the time. Is there a more
[01:19] <glitsj16> elegant way to do this?
[01:24] <vimart> I'm downloading now Xubuntu 20.04 let's see how's it.
[01:38] <Raymond_G> Hi, I have a question about Ubuntu LivePatch and ESM for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[01:38] <Raymond_G> It says on the site that it is limited to 3 computers per user
[01:39] <Raymond_G> I have just erased my hard drive to upgrade to an SSD and setup livepatch and esm on this new install, do I have to manually remove the other devices somewhere?
[01:55] <NathanKoch> I have booze in my blood, You want an earful GCHQ!
[01:56] <NathanKoch> I hear by Nathan Koch denounce the Crown and any allegiances to it and the Government of Saskatchewan!
[01:57] <NathanKoch> aswell as the Government of Canada.
[01:59] <housecat> ok.
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> Mildly entertaining.
[02:01] <zhanx> mildly
[02:31] <bitblit> anyone know how to set the max/crit values that "sensors" returns for the CPU? mine default to 95C
[02:41] <JoshuaD> I've got a home-entertainment system dedicated to running Kodi and RetroPie. The machine is plugged into a large TV and primiarly controlled with an xbox-style controller, but also has a wireless mouse and keyboard when needed.  Which Desktop Environment do you think would be most comfortable for this sort of setup?
[02:42] <JoshuaD> (I go to the desktop for troubleshooting and occasionally opening up websites in a browser)
[02:54] <leftyfb> JoshuaD: Please ask for opinions on software in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:55] <JoshuaD> k ty
[03:00] <Mordoc> JoshuaD: While this isn't the forum for this ask around about XFCE...see you on #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:07] <frib> I need to run a bash script with cron. Cron is running and executing commands I put in crontab but will not execute my script correctly that otherwise runs fine from the terminal
[03:08] <frib> it's a one line script that runs a program with 2 arguments
[03:12] <Bashing-om> frib: A thought: full paths in both the crontab and your script ?
[03:13] <frib> Bashing-om, yes but at this point I'm trying to just run the program directly from crontab to take the script element out of it and even that's not working
[03:13] <frib> things like echo, date work but not my program
[03:16] <Bashing-om> frib: Access rights ? set as executable ?
[03:16] <frib> Bashing-om, apparently I made a dumb mistake in my command
[03:16] <frib> as usual
[03:17] <frib> sorry about that
[03:17] <Bashing-om> frib: What matters most is there is resolution :D
[03:18] <frib> yes, but will things like `date` work in cron?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> frib: in the cron ' /bin/date
[03:20] <Bashing-om> ' ?
[03:20] <frib> date works fine without /bin
[03:20] <frib> but `date` will not resolve
[03:21] <frib> (why I wanted to run a script)
[03:21] <frib> but that is not working
[03:21] <frib> I tried /bin/bash /full/path/script.sh but no
[03:28] <frib> its the SHELL= PATH=
[03:42] <merpnderp> Is NodeSource the normal way to install node on Ubuntu now?
[04:13] <kvndy> I just started using my 2017 Macbook Pro 14,1 again because audio broke on my little Dell inspiron running Ubuntu 18. Apple just keeps getting worse and worse. I tried installing Ubuntu on the MBP but there are hardware issues
[04:14] <kvndy> Ironically, what prompted this was audio breaking on my Dell Inspiron running Ubuntu, but on the 2017 MBP audio is not supported!
[04:16] <kvndy> Apple broke basic dragging behavior with the trackpad. "tap to drag without drag lock" no longer works as it used to. There is now a delay, making every single interaction with every slider, scrubber, combo box, or window drag a broken and confusing experience
[04:16] <SomethingGeneric> Hey all! I'm confused about the layout of my boot drive. The built-in "Disks
[04:16] <SomethingGeneric> " program shows my SSD as having two 249 paritions, which is impossible given that my entire ssd is only 256 gb.
[04:17] <SomethingGeneric> And I also have two FAT32 "boot paritions", at least according to Disks
[04:40] <SomethingGeneric> Hey guys, I have a question that’s (partially) Ubuntu related. I’m following  the LFS boot, and when building the kernel, there’s a warning that says “if your system has a separate /boot partition, you need to do <x>.” My host machine only has Ubuntu on it, and I told the installer to put everything in one partition. However, according to Disks, I do have one separate partition mounted as /boot/efi.
[04:40] <SomethingGeneric> Is that what’s they’re referring to as the boot partition? Or is that a re-mounted sub-directory as it appears to my naïve eyes..?
[04:59] <barg> SomethingGeneric- not sure if you'll get this 'cos you seem to be offline but there is a #lfs
[05:37] <jwash> hi everyone, I want to strip out html table tags from a document, removing everything from < opening to > closing
[05:37] <kenperkins> what does that have to do with ubuntu? :D
[05:37] <jwash> how would i match <font size="2">
[05:38] <jwash> bash is used by ubuntu right
[05:38] <jwash> this is an ubuntu computer
[06:12] <banisterfiend> up tto
[06:21] <exit70[m]> hi, is it just me or ubuntu boot splash has always been a little janky?
[06:24] <rfm> exit70[m], so who cares? not like you're looking at it for more than 10 seconds/
[06:25] <exit70[m]> i don't care that much. but some friendly distro like opensuse seems to be better in that regard. just curious about the reason behind it.
[06:25] <rfm> exit70[m], and yeah, I shouldn't get sucked into this, gn
[07:00] <halvors> When will Ubuntu mainline ppa be updated with the latest upstream kernel?
[07:01] <ducasse> halvors: when it's ready, we don't know any more than you
[07:01] <halvors> I mean the lastest stable release 5.6.12
[07:01] <halvors> Is there automation in building latest tagged stable release?
[07:02] <ducasse> try #ubuntu-kernel, maybe?
[07:02] <halvors> ok thanks.
[07:03] <halcyforn> hello
[07:06] <halcyforn> maybe someone can tell me what can be wrong. my wifi intel card on linux detect only 2 networks, and can easy cut lost connection. on windows wi-fi card detect 30 networks.
[07:11] <CQ3> halcyforn, sounds like a driver issue. figure out what card it is, what driver it is using, and google ...
[07:13] <halcyforn> what command show me what driver i use i dont remember this
[07:14] <CQ> https://askubuntu.com/questions/96333/what-wireless-driver-am-i-using
[07:59] <pi0> apart from tmux what other app to seperate terminal sessions is there https://imgur.com/a/gSzqe7S
[07:59] <CQ> pi0, screens ?
[08:00] <pi0> is that sceeens
[08:00] <pi0> the user was able to resize with mouse
[08:01] <CQ> not sure, but if you search terminal screens resize mouse, or maybe "screen resize curses" you might find our
[08:01] <CQ> out
[08:02] <ocean> pi0: probably guake terminal
[08:09] <ocean> pi0: Using & lovin' it, powerful. With only couple of hotkeys, calling/hiding it, shifting through various terminals and yes, split (both horizontally, vertically)
[08:10] <ThinkT510> looks like a tiling window manger
[08:14] <pi0> i thought it was like i3wm
[08:14] <pi0> but it wasnt
[08:16] <ducasse> pi0: if you want several terminals in one window you can also try terminator
[08:21] <pi0> nice!
[08:21] <pi0> thank you
[09:16] <mesaboogie> pi0: tilix --- another tiling terminal
[09:49] <MikiSoft> hello, i'm trying to setup postfix with dovecot-lmtp but i'm getting connection refused error
[09:49] <MikiSoft> May 12 12:21:29 2nrl postfix/lmtp[19237]: CE2B4A1553: to=<office@mail.gournet.co>, relay=none, delay=992, delays=992/0.06/0.02/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.gournet.co[private/dovecot-lmtp]: Connection refused)
[09:49] <MikiSoft> can anyone help me? i'll send the config files
[10:01] <Deano59> hi, if I setup "encrypt" my local /home - how can I change my root/user password? I tried and couldn't login. when I changed the password back to my old one I could login fine.
[10:02] <EriC^^> Deano59: you need to change the wrapped passphrase, wrap it with your new password
[10:03] <EriC^^> Deano59: i think though if you use the gui stuff for changing the password it might do that stuff for you
[10:03] <Deano59> EriC^^: I didn't create a passphrase when it asked me to, I clicked close. is that bad?
[10:04] <EriC^^> re-run it i guess
[10:04] <mgedmin> hmm, I would expect pam_ecryptfs to re-wrap the passphrase when you change your password using passwd
[10:04] <mgedmin> (or the gui bits)
[10:05] <Deano59> what's qui?
[10:05] <Deano59> how do I re-run it?
[10:06] <Deano59> sorry, never done it before.
[10:06] <mgedmin> gui is a Graphical User Interface, by which we mean gnome-control-center's Users panel
[10:06] <mgedmin> how did you change your password, exactly?
[10:06] <Deano59> "sudo passwd *name*"
[10:17] <mgedmin> ah!
[10:17] <mgedmin> don't do that
[10:18] <mgedmin> do just 'passwd', or if you're not logged in as yourself, sudo -u name passwd
[10:18] <mgedmin> sudo passwd doesn't ask for the old password, so the pam_ecryptfs module is unable to unwrap the passphrase, and therefore it's unable to re-wrap it
[10:19] <doomlist3> what is the fastest server for downloading
[10:19] <mgedmin> bittorrent, I'm sure
[10:19] <doomlist3> It's currently 1MBps but I have 5MBps connection for installing programs using apt install xxx
[10:19] <doomlist3> i am talking for apt servers not torrents
[10:24] <doomlist3> in ubuntu 18.04.4 where is software sources in settings?
[10:24] <Deano59> mgedmin: "sudo -u *name* passwd" ?
[10:25] <MikiSoft> anyone works with postix and dovecot?
[10:26] <doomlist3> where is software properties in settings
[10:26] <doomlist3> they keep changing the interface
[10:26] <doomlist3> ubuntu has become like windows
[10:27] <Deano59> thanks mgedmin that done the trick!!!
[10:28] <doomlist3> Deano59: pm
[10:29] <Deano59> please don't PM doomlist3, ask in the channel.
[10:33] <doomlist3> Deano59: ok in gui settings where is software sources
[10:33] <Deano59> what DE?
[10:34] <Deano59> mine is under start > prefrences
[10:34] <doomlist3> ubuntu has unity
[10:34] <doomlist3> there is no start in ubuntu
[10:34] <Deano59> ...
[10:34] <Deano59> there is but OK. if you're using unity, just search for it.
[10:35] <doomlist3> ok under software and updates
[10:35] <Deano59> mine is under start > preferences
[10:35] <doomlist3> which version are you using
[10:35] <Deano59> 20.04
[10:36] <doomlist3> maybe they added start in 20.04
[10:37] <Deano59> depends on your DE.
[10:37] <doomlist3> Vimgur.com/wSMiRlal.png
[10:37] <doomlist3> my DE is default unity i guess... i didn't install any new DE
[10:38] <ThinkT510> doomlist3: the default in 20.04 is not unity, it is gnome-shell
[10:38] <Deano59> you can search in unity for software sources...
[10:38] <Deano59> not sure what problem you're having.
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:54] <Deano59> sup BluesKaj
[11:43] <Aktive> massive bug
[11:43] <Aktive> 2 cursors on the screen
[12:07] <pnwise> What is snap on the server release used for?
[13:04] <RoseBus> what's a good tool for reading .md files?
[13:04] <stephpdale_> cat
[13:04] <RoseBus> yea but cat doesn't have any formatting
[13:10] <wedr> nano
[13:10] <stephpdale_> wedr Alt+Tab
[13:10] <stephpdale_> Also vim is better
[13:10] <wedr> vim reads Markdown?
[13:11] <stephpdale_> vim reads everything
[13:11] <wedr> in that case, why not just get the more optimum solution.   "sudo apt-get install snap && snap install code && code"
[13:13] <Woet> ew snap
[13:13] <g105b> Hello Ubuntuers! I just bought a Logitech webcam, and it is too dark. Please can someone suggest some software that I can use to configure the webcam?
[13:16] <RoseBus> good luck... logitech didn't support my wireless mouse
[13:16] <g105b> Well the webcam works just fine, but I need to configure the brightness, just without hacking inside config files if possible.
[13:18] <Zenn> Hello
[13:18] <Zenn> I need help I cant install 20.04
[13:19] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/undefined
[13:20] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/a/3fz9i6r
[13:20] <Zenn> can someone help me on this
[13:20] <Zenn> if I go through the normal disk check it auto shut down my Lapto
[13:20] <Zenn> if I go through the normal disk check it auto shut down my Laptop
[13:24] <Zenn> anyone able to help me please?
[13:26] <g105b> Can you launch into Grub menu?
[13:26] <mgedmin> that's a disk error ("access beyond end of device")
[13:27] <mgedmin> is /dev/sdb the USB drive were you stashed your 20.04 image?  could it be the device is actually too small to contain it?
[13:27] <Zenn> my usb 32gb
[13:27] <mgedmin> 20.04 desktop iso is 2.7GB, so it should definitely fit
[13:28] <Zenn> yeah why does it do as such ?
[13:28] <Zenn> anyway I can troubleshoot it?
[13:28] <g105b> Oh, Zenn are you currently trying to boot from USB or have you installed to your HDD and trying to boot as normal?
[13:28] <Zenn> could it be it failed to write the iso properly ?
[13:28] <Zenn> I want to install to my SSD
[13:28] <Zenn> as in make it my primary booting laptop and get rid of windows
[13:32] <Zenn> g105b, https://imgur.com/a/ph5sw59
[13:32] <Zenn> is this correct?
[13:33] <mgedmin> is the file limit on FAT32 2 GB or 4 GB?
[13:34] <mgedmin> I'm not familiar with this 'Rufus' tool
[13:34] <Zenn> what tool you recommand ?
[13:34] <g105b> Looks good to me Zenn.
[13:34] <g105b> mgedmin Rufus is recommended on https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[13:34] <mgedmin> you can dd if=ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/YOURUSBDEVICE
[13:35] <mgedmin> (this will wipe the entire USB drive)
[13:35] <g105b> mgedmin he's on Windows.
[13:36] <mgedmin> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[13:36] <mgedmin> it would be really funny if the official tutorial recommended a tool that can't handle the ISO size
[13:38] <mgedmin> the rufus website mentions "Improve support for Ubuntu 20.04" in the changelog for version 3.10
[13:38] <mgedmin> so, hm, what else could it be?
[13:39] <mgedmin> is the iso image downloaded successfully?  can you check the file size?
[13:39] <mgedmin> I wonder why the filename has a (2) in front of .iso in your screenshot
[13:41] <jonvonb> umm.. https://send.firefox.com seems broken. Attempts to log in from up-to-date 19.04 and 20.04 machines fails with the "Something went wrong" error page.
[13:41] <jonvonb> Works just fine using chrome on those same machines. Go figure.
[13:42] <jonvonb> It's only fails when logging in via firefox
[13:46] <stephpdale> I hope you mean Chromium not Chrome
[13:49] <Zenn> lol
[13:49] <Zenn> it does not work
[13:51] <Zenn> after pressing Ubuntu it goes into disk check after casper something it turns off my Laptop
[13:51] <Zenn> could Ubuntu 20.04 have a Bug for Asus Laptop
[13:52] <SpudDogg7> good morning
[13:52] <Zenn> good morning there is a Bug in Ubuntu
[13:52] <Zenn> it does not install on My Laptop at all
[13:53] <stephpdale> zenguy Boot it again
[13:53] <stephpdale> Zenn ^
[13:53] <stephpdale> And then press Control + C
[13:53] <stephpdale> When it begins checking
[13:53] <Zenn> I did that
[13:54] <Zenn> this happens stephpdale
[13:54] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/a/3fz9i6r
[13:54] <stephpdale> Zenn Tried safe graphics mode too?
[13:54] <Zenn> how ?
[13:55] <stephpdale> Zenn When the colored screen appears with the two icons, right after you select the boot option for Ubuntu
[13:55] <stephpdale> Press one of the arrow keys or escape
[13:55] <Zenn> okay let me try and get back to you all
[13:55] <Zenn> hope it works
[13:55] <stephpdale> Then use the arrow keys to select the Try Ubuntu without installing (Safe Graphics) and hit enter
[13:55] <mgedmin> Zenn: have you checked if the ISO image you downloaded is complete?  it should be 2.7 gigs in size
[13:56] <mgedmin> since the failure happens during _disk check_, and the error is about _disk I/O_, I bet safe graphics isn't going to help any
[13:56] <mgedmin> (and once again I missed them)
[14:00] <Zenn> stephdale
[14:01] <Zenn> I made a video
[14:01] <Zenn> looks like you guys got a Bug in Ubuntu
[14:01] <Zenn> https://streamable.com/faz9xp
[14:01] <Zenn> hopefully you can find something in it
[14:02] <mgedmin> Zenn: have you checked if the ISO image you downloaded is complete?  it should be 2.7 gigs in size
[14:02] <Zenn> it is completed
[14:02] <Zenn> I redownloaded and install again just to be sure
[14:02] <Zenn> you should see that Video
[14:02] <Zenn> I think there is a Bug in Ubuntu, as I never encounter any issues with installing Ubuntu before.
[14:05] <mgedmin> ah, this time there's no disk i/o error, just a bunch of noveau stall messages and then a sudden reboot: Power off
[14:05] <Zenn> well yeah it is like this
[14:06] <Zenn> are you a developer?
[14:06] <mgedmin> I am a software developer, but I'm not an ubuntu developer
[14:06] <Zenn> oh lol
[14:06] <Zenn> well let me try using safe graphic and try to boot up
[14:31] <zenn> Hello
[14:31] <zenn> safe graphic install works
[14:31] <zenn> Im able to boot up from Ubuntu now
[14:31] <eldowan> I'm trying to find out how to trend bandwidth usage over time by IP address. The realtime bandwidth /network usage monitors aren't exactly what I'm looking for. Are there good options?
[14:31] <zenn> thanks for the help everyone but it is odd I hope they fix it
[14:33] <wedr> Anyone knows how to get the Dash-to-Dock Gnome3 extension's version?
[14:42] <zenn> thank you guys
[14:42] <zenn> I will take my leave hopefully they fix the issue with the normal boot up
[14:43] <mgedmin> looks like I made the right choice when I decided to avoid nvidia when picking my latest laptop
[14:43] <mgedmin> 10-15 fps in subnautica, but at least no problems in ubuntu
[14:45] <zenn> well why would nvida cost such a issue
[14:45] <zenn> are you refering to my issue?
[14:49] <mgedmin> nvidia doesn't provide any hardware documentation or source for their video drivers, which makes it hard to support nvidia hardware in linux
[14:50] <mgedmin> the choice is between reverse-engineered open drivers that are buggy and slow, and nvidia-provided binary drivers that are buggy and might not support all the other OS component versions like the kernel
[14:50] <enriooooooo> im using ubuntu 16.04 , suddenly all fonts are disappeared
[14:50] <enriooooooo> even the terminal fonts
[14:51] <Deano59> can we get RPI4 support here?
[14:53] <zenn> oh lol
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Deano59, try #raspberrypi chat
[15:07] <DocMors> is there a dedicated server chat?
[15:15] <tieinv> #ubuntu-server
[15:20] <NoiseEee> Hi folks, I have a silly question... on one server when I SSH in, I get a nice message and updates about packages needing updating, or the server needing to be rebooted. On another server (same Ubuntu OS), when I SSH in, I just get the command prompt. How can I make that second server show me information when logging in, like the first?
[15:20] <ewomer> How does one install the real 440.82+ Nvidia drivers and not the 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 versions?
[15:22] <leftyfb> ewomer: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
[15:23] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: what version of ubuntu on both of the severs?
[15:23] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: the exact version
[15:25] <ewomer> leftyfb: nvidia-driver-440 is already the newest version (440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6).
[15:25] <leftyfb> ewomer: that is the "real" 440.82 nvidia driver
[15:26] <NoiseEee> leftyfb: 16.04
[15:26] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: lsb_release -ds
[15:27] <NoiseEee> leftyfb: Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS on both
[15:28] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: who built them? Seems like they're not built the same. Are they VPS's or cloud containers of some sort?
[15:41] <NoiseEee> found it leftyfb... PrintMotd in /etc/ssh/sshd_config was set to 'no' on one server
[15:42] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: like I said, the 2 servers were built differently
[15:44] <DocMors> tieinv, thanks
[15:46] <kur1j> what is the "new" method for simply restarting a network device on the CLI?
[15:47] <tieinv> DocMors: your welcome
[15:49] <ewomer> leftyfb: its really 440.64 not 440.82
[15:50] <ewomer> Reported by nvidia-settings
[15:50] <enriooooooo> im using ubuntu 16.04 , suddenly all fonts are disappeared
[15:51] <oerheks> enriooooooo, you said that before, what did you do before that?
[15:52] <enriooooooo> well i just put my laptop in suspended mode
[15:52] <enriooooooo> and reopen with fonts disappeared
[15:53] <ioria> firewall
[15:54] <oerheks> oh, not suddenly, but a suspend issue
[15:55] <blahboybaz> How do I fix it if when I try to add a repository and get 404 error and it says there is no release file. It is from a very popular and well-known package and I'm shocked to get this with them.
[15:55] <enriooooooo> how do i fix oerheks
[15:56] <oerheks> enriooooooo, not surehow to reload them, reboot?
[15:57] <enriooooooo> reboot or restart of lightdm is not the right solution :/
[15:57] <blahboybaz> enriooooooo:  oerheks: I did not catch the question (just came in) but are you trying to load a configuration file?  "source" command does that with some things and there is systemctl command too
[16:01] <oerheks> enriooooooo, sure, it is not a solution, but can you try it and recreate the issue again?? then you could file a bugreport, but it depends on the tasks you were doing, browser [pages and such
[16:03] <enriooooooo> well i really don't want to close all of the things at this point.
[16:07] <blahboybaz> I sort of figured it out. I got what I need installed and now my repositories stuff is corrupted but I don't feel like dealing with it at the momemnt. Thanks
[16:09] <oerheks> blahboybaz, on what ubuntu version, what repository?
[16:15] <vtx> hi folks o/ i'm getting the following errors on 18.04 when using apt-get: `curl: (56) OpenSSL SSL_read: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL, errno 104'`; has anyone else had trouble with the same error? is there a known fix for this?
[16:17] <oerheks> vtx, what ar you trying to install? can you share the full output on paste.ubuntu.com please?
[16:21] <ubique> I have a problem, does anybody have any ideas?    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HJCRnzN85K/
[16:25] <akem> ubique, Did you do "apt-get update" before the upgrade?
[16:26] <ubique> #akem yes
[16:27] <oerheks> ubique, looks like this bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker/+bug/1839054
[16:27] <oerheks> fix in answer #1 ;; sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-firmware-raspi2_1.20190215-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_armhf.deb
[16:41] <Val_K> hi, I have a problem with my fstab: it doesn't mount my network drive at boot. If I mount it manually with "sudo mount -a" all is good, but it doesn't work at boot. This is the line in my fstab: //192.168.0.XXX/[name of resource]/     /media/[name of resource]/     cifs username=[username],password=[password],auto,iocharset=utf8,vers=1.0      0
[16:41] <Val_K> 0 I suspect it doesn't mount the drive because the network is not ready when fstab is run, so how can I fix it?
[16:42] <vlouvet> is it possible to use ubuntu 20.04 server with zfs support to create an rpi4 NAS? (using a single external disk via USB)
[16:42] <bjarne333> isnt there a systemd solution for this? like ordering deps
[16:42] <bjarne333> Val_K: ^
[16:43] <jayjo> I'm having trouble getting my bluetooth headphones to connect to my ubuntu desktop. Are there any resources that are helpful for debugging something like this? Are there better bluetooth packages instead of the system that I should use? Or is there any way to check if something is interfering with the system bluetooth?
[16:43] <Val_K> bjarne333, I am not aware of that
[16:44] <bjarne333> it's been years since I played with fstab. but I think it's controlled by a systemd service right? and it runs before network is ready
[16:45] <Val_K> bjarne333, I don't know the answer to your question, but as I said in my initial message I too think that fstab runs before network is ready
[16:45] <bjarne333> Val_K: try adding _netdev as option.
[16:45] <bjarne333> his will prevent the system from attempting to mount this filesystem until the network has been enabled on the system.
[16:46] <Val_K> should I keep "auto" in the options?
[16:46] <Val_K> or is it auto by default?
[16:47] <bjarne333> Val_K: i dunno. read the man page
[16:48] <Val_K> bjarne333 _netdev doesn't work. however thanks for the help
[16:49] <bjarne333> sounds like a common scenario. you should find answers on the world wide web
[16:52] <rjwiii> Ok ... so I plug my iPhone X into Ubuntu 20.04 for the first time and it comes up as a camera. I plug it in a second time and all I get is documents. Any clues?
[16:52] <Val_K> bjarne333, thanks for the suggestion, I'll google harder
[16:53] <bjarne333> rjwiii: my advice: use lsusb and journactl to see what kind of devices the iphone is presenting
[16:53] <RoseBus> hello, how can I remove a host from my known_hosts
[16:54] <bjarne333> rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[16:54] <rjwiii> RoseBus: Just edit the file, find the host you want to delete and delete it ...
[16:54] <RoseBus> but how can i determine which host is which inside the file
[16:55] <rjwiii> RoseBus: by ip address?
[16:55] <RoseBus> i dont see any ip addresses, it looks encrypted
[16:56] <bjarne333> RoseBus: ssh-keygen -R hostname
[16:56] <bjarne333> it was very easy to google
[16:57] <superboot> What is the config file precidence for Awesome Window Manager? Is there a system default that loads after the user-specific ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua?
[16:59] <rjwiii> bjarne333: lsusb: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 05ac:12a8 Apple, Inc. iPhone5/5C/5S/6, journactl has a bunch of messages "Unable to get XDG directory path for special directory $?????"
[17:03] <bjarne333> rjwiii: you are looking for something with USB device
[17:04] <rjwiii> bjarne333: I don't know if this is related, but every time I plug my iPhone in, it crashes RhythmBox ...
[17:07] <lordcirth> RoseBus, yeah, the addresses are hashed in known_hosts so that an attacker can't read what systems you have credentials to
[17:11] <rjwiii> bjarne333: journactl: May 12 10:41:43 system76-pc gnome-shell[2131]: Unable to mount volume iPhone: Gio.IOErrorEnum: Error initializing camera: -53: Could not claim the USB device
[17:11] <RoseBus> will my ssh keys still work if i delete my known_hosts file?
[17:12] <vlt> RoseBus: Yes.
[17:12] <bjarne333> rjwiii: sounds bad. they probably want you to use your mac laptop
[17:22] <thyriaen> I already have a linux setup running with grub and i would like to install ubuntu without it installing its own grub on a seperate disk - is that possible ? ( then in order to boot i would have to add the ubuntu install to the grub on my first disk )
[17:30] <donaldkbrown> Hi all. I have a separate keyring for `aws-vault`. I accidentally set it to unlock when I log-in, so it no longer asks for my separate password when doing things with aws-vault. How do I unset that?
[18:12] <tijara> hello, does anyone know how to change the default non-unicode fonts? I'm on Mint 19.3 Cinnamon and it keeps using wacky fonts for certain languages.
[18:23] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[18:24] <lordcirth> GR1M0R4CL3, welcome!
[18:24] <GR1M0R4CL3> hey thanks :) total noobie here !
[18:25] <Deano59> tijara: this is for ubuntu support, not Linux mint. try their irc/channel.
[18:25] <GenuineGNULinux> Your GNU/Linux copy is not activated. You may be a victim of software counterfeiting. Do you want to enter product key now?
[18:25] <mattmu> tijara: Try https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=224270
[18:26] <GenuineGNULinux> If you don't have a product key, contact me to purchase a license.
[18:26] <GenuineGNULinux> One license for one computer. How much licenses do you want to purchase?
[18:26] <Deano59> what
[18:27] <lordcirth> Usual scammers/trolls
[18:27] <sarnold> hey dho
[18:27] <GR1M0R4CL3> bought a new Dell XPS and came with 18.04 ubuntu. wondering if there are people here with same laptop but running more recent version of LTS like 20.04 for advice
[18:27] <tijara> Deano59: sorry, I assumed a Ubuntu solution would have applied since Mint is Ubuntu based
[18:27] <lordcirth> GR1M0R4CL3, wondering if it's compatible? If 18.04 is working fine, 20.04 probably will too
[18:27] <Deano59> someone do the command, I don't know it.
[18:28] <Deano59> !not ubuntu
[18:28] <Deano59> !ubuntu only
[18:28] <Deano59> I fail.
[18:28] <lordcirth> !mint
[18:28] <Deano59> tijara: ^
[18:28] <GR1M0R4CL3> well machine comes with some additional apt repositories and I have been checking the repair iso which contains also a file listing some packages. everything is working now : camera, sleep, etc so I am wondering about 20.04
[18:29] <GR1M0R4CL3> i have seen people try Fedora 32 on the 9300 model I have and they have shutdown troubles :/
[18:29] <tijara> noted, my apologies
[18:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> is there other channels beside this one for irc and ubuntu noobs ?
[18:32] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: you may also like #ubuntu-discuss, there's a bit more open-ended conversation there from time to time
[18:32] <GR1M0R4CL3> thanks :)
[18:33] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: I've heard that 20.04 may go further with providing oem-driver experience with the standard install media; previous releases were pretty rough in that respect, the pre-installed system might work great but if you ever reinstalled, it might be frustrating to try to get those drivers back
[18:35] <GR1M0R4CL3> i can perhaps image the whole partition. upgrade to 20.04 and see what happens. keeping a list of current packages, and the files in /etc/apt/sources
[18:35] <GR1M0R4CL3> seems i'm using a 5.0.0 kernel that is available on Launchpad + the patch
[18:36] <GR1M0R4CL3> well that 18.04 is supported until 2023 so i dont really need to move to 20.04 but i tried 20.04 on the desktop pc and gnome feels much quicker
[18:36] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: backups are always good :)
[18:37] <GR1M0R4CL3> i think the m.2 has a re-installation partition.
[18:37] <ActivateYourLinu> Purchase a license now! $89 for single computer if you purchase it before I'm banned!
[18:37] <GR1M0R4CL3> until now i had to buy laptops and install linux. this one directly came with linux. and it is a joy
[18:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> just launching the camera thing and seeing my 60-days unshaven bear face because of Covid
[18:40] <tomreyn> GR1M0R4CL3: this channel is great is you have a concreate support question. for chat, please try somethign else such as #ubuntu-offtopic. for none-support Q&A but still ubuntu topics, #ubuntu.discuss can be fine.
[18:40] <GR1M0R4CL3> ok!
[19:28] <conr> loving 20.04 so far. anybody have a setup to share large files behind a vpn with ubuntu?
[19:29] <swe442> how do I disable that tapping super opens an overview?
[19:29] <swe442> on 20.04
[19:32] <Deano59> if I don't have swap enabled, swappiness doesn't apply to me, right?
[19:32] <Deano59> conr: 20.04 is awesome. I agree. ;P
[19:32] <sarnold> Deano59: excellent question, I've wondered that before
[19:33] <swe442> anyone know?
[19:34] <swe442> how do I disable the dashboard thing that gets opened when I tap super?
[19:34] <swe442> I can't find the option anywhere
[19:35] <ioria> swe442, on 18.04 is the overlay key in gsettings (i guess it's the same on 20.04) ; you can set it to null
[19:35] <swe442> ioria okay that gives me something to search, ty
[19:35] <ioria> swe442, first : gsettings get org.gnome.mutter overlay-key
[19:36] <ioria> swe442, then (if the return value is Super_L) you do  : gsettings set org.gnome.mutter overlay-key ''
[19:37] <swe442> double-quote?
[19:37] <swe442> or is that two single quotes?
[19:37] <mydog2> hi.. trying to do a recursive grep using find and grep..
[19:37] <ioria> swe442, nope, double single quote
[19:37] <swe442> got it
[19:37] <swe442> makes sense
[19:37] <swe442> yes, that's perfect
[19:37] <mydog2> find /home -type f  ! -path "*/csvn/*"  ! -path "*/Android*/*" -name "*.*"    -print0  | xargs -0 grep 'repos'
[19:37] <swe442> weird that that option is not in the settings
[19:37] <mydog2> this works for finding the 1st term
[19:38] <swe442> works, perfect, ty!
[19:38] <mydog2> find /home -type f  ! -path "*/csvn/*"  ! -path "*/Android*/*" -name "*.*"    -print0  | xargs -0 grep 'repos'  | xargs -0 grep 'github'
[19:38] <ioria> swe442, ok
[19:38] <mydog2> this throws an xargs: argument line too long
[19:38] <swe442> ioria is tehre a way to see all the gsettings I manually over-rode?
[19:38] <mydog2> searching the 'net.. can't see what i'm doing wrong..
[19:39] <ioria> swe442, not sure, but you can restore all to default
[19:39] <mydog2> any pointers?
[19:39] <swe442> okay , thanks,
[19:39] <sarnold> mydog2: what are you trying to do?
[19:39] <sarnold> mydog2: my guess is you went off the rails at: xargs -0 grep 'github'
[19:39] <ioria> swe442, maybe in 'dconf editor'
[19:44] <mydog2> sarnold, -- i want to grep files in certain dirs, and search for files having multiple words
[19:45] <mydog2> or.. for files in certain dirs, i want to find files with 'repos' and 'github'
[19:46] <EriC^^> mydog2: how about  "find..... -exec grep -E "github|repos" {} \;"
[19:47] <EriC^^> i think you might need grep -HE  so it shows the filenames next to the stuff
[19:47] <mydog2> so get rid of the args
[19:47] <mydog2> xags
[19:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:47] <mydog2> xargs
[19:48] <sarnold> mydog2: I usually use grep -l for this -- if you don't want the actual line itself; try: grep -l root /etc/passwd
[19:48] <mydog2> is there a way using xargs
[19:48] <EriC^^> mydog2: why though, just to learn xargs?
[19:48] <BananaManCJ> I have Ubuntu installed on a portable drive. I originally installed it on a 2017 iMac and sound was working fine. I then plugged the drive into another computer. Sound was working fine there. I then plugged it back into the Mac and the sound doesn't work anymore. How do I fix this? One thing I noticed is that it shows "Headphones" as an output source even though there aren't any plugged in.
[19:48] <BananaManCJ> Bluetooth audio does work
[19:50] <EriC^^> mydog2: your command works for me here
[19:51] <BananaManCJ> Audio doesn't work through traditional headphones, either
[19:54] <oerheks> BananaManCJ, maybe ' sudo dpkg –configure -a' fixes things?
[19:55] <BananaManCJ> Nope
[19:56] <oerheks> or just try booting again?
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> This persists after a reboot
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> It's been like this for about 24 hours now
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> Even tried reinstalling ALSA and PulseAudio
[19:58] <micrex22> try installing OSS instead of ALSA :p
[19:59] <micrex22> (good luck though, I've never done it myself), only on actual proprietary UNIX
[19:59] <oerheks> weird advise, micrex22 ...
[19:59] <micrex22> I mean... it 'might' work :p
[20:00] <micrex22> If it in fact is a software issue
[20:01] <oerheks> BananaManCJ, killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* ; rm -r ~/.pulse* >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[20:03] <BananaManCJ> Nope, I also noticed that sound input isn't working either
[20:03] <BananaManCJ> It works over bluetooth, though
[20:23] <MoPac> Hi, so I've run into a bit of a problem during an upgrade 19.10 --> 20.04 (Kubuntu). During the confirmation step of the "sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop" method, I went to "details" of package removal and then accidentally terminated the whole program rather than returning and saying "N".
[20:23] <MoPac> Apparently this means that my software sources are set to "focal" even though nothing was approved for installation/removal. When I try to run either the console tool again or the GUI, it won't proceed because because I need the latest updates to my current software first -- all 2326 updates it thinks I need, since with my current source config, everything looks behind, and the check step isn't comparing version names.
[20:24] <MoPac> I'm hoping it will be enough to just manually switch back the four sources that are active in the middle of an upgrade -- [ver. name]/updates/backports/security, back to eon. But I haven't wanted to touch anything yet in case this is actually a bigger mess than that.
[20:24] <sarnold> MoPac: I think I've done something similar, and I think I was able to get back to a working config with a simple s/foo/bar/ in the sources
[20:26] <meltingwax> i'm getting errors for apt-get update in fresh ubuntu:18.04 containers; complaining that the files it gets have the wrong hashsum
[20:26] <meltingwax> i assume this is an infrastructure problem that I can expect to go away?
[20:27] <sarnold> meltingwax: it depends what introduced the problem -- if you have a caching proxy that is caching too agressively, or worse, if your ISP has a caching proxy that they have not told you about, you'll probably have to take action yourself to fix it
[20:27] <sarnold> meltingwax: the last person who ran into this problem found out their VPN provider was using a caching proxy, and hadn't expected that..
[20:28] <meltingwax> sarnold: it's under a corp network, so maybe there is a hidden proxy. but it worked an hour ago, now it doesn't work at all
[20:29] <sarnold> meltingwax: if you request the same files using curl or wget, do you get something that looks like an error page? or something that looks right but is too short? or something old?
[20:30] <urxtnw> If I use systemd to start a unit at book with: systemctl enable unit. What is actually happening? Will this be enabled forever, or is there a chance this setting might be re-written if I do a system upgrade? Will this setting be written in some file?
[20:30] <MoPac> sarnold: looks like replacing "focal" in sources.list is doing the trick; thanks for the reassurance.
[20:30] <sarnold> MoPac: nice! :)
[20:31] <oerheks> urxtnw, enable is for starting at boot
[20:31] <oerheks> start is starting for this session
[20:31] <sarnold> urxtnw: 'enable' fiddles around with some 'wants' requirements as directed by the [Install] section of the unit
[20:32] <urxtnw> oerheks, sarnold, yes but I am asking if this setting will get overwritten if I upgrade my system
[20:32] <meltingwax> thats a good idea sarnold, i will try
[20:32] <sarnold> urxtnw: it's strongly unlikely, but it is possible, that an update will change that config
[20:33] <urxtnw> sarnold, do you know where the config is, as in that is getting written, when I run that command?
[20:35] <sarnold> urxtnw: most services' [Install] sections just say to add themselves to the multi-user target: ls -l /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/
[20:35] <meltingwax> sarnold: the file i wget'd matched the sum; and now i restarted the job and it works; so who knows. maybe an ops hiccup
[20:35] <sarnold> meltingwax: oh cripes, I hate problems that go away without a known reason *why*... oh well, at least you're back doing whatever it was you *wanted* to do :)
[20:36] <urxtnw> sarnold, thank you!
[20:38] <TheCowboy> I can't get snap apps to access any NFS mounts, even if I mount it under /home/$USER, is there a solution to this?
[20:42] <meltingwax> sarnold:thanks for your help!
[20:43] <ajshell1> What's the best way to completely remove GNOME 3 and everything releated to it from the default version of Ubuntu in preparation for installing a new DE?
[20:44] <ajshell1> I'm asking because the regular GNOME Ubuntu seems to be the only one to offer ZFS on root installation options.
[20:47] <ThinkT510> ajshell1: do you really need to remove gnome-shell? why not just install the DE you want and log into that?
[20:48] <sarnold> TheCowboy: I've seen someone do something *seriously* gross to address this
[20:48] <sarnold> TheCowboy: try asking in #snapcraft about this -- it feels like something they should had addressed by now
[20:49] <sarnold> TheCowboy: if they haven't, well, I've got an idea, but it's super-gross..
[20:50] <TheCowboy> I'll try there, this seems like a significant limitation if not addressed as more packages become snaps
[20:50] <TheCowboy> thank you
[20:50] <ajshell1> ThinkT510: I want ZFS on root installation with minimal effort for a virtual machine, Kubuntu doesn't offer that in the options, Ubuntu GNOME does.
[20:53] <micrex22> you can always use JFS :3
[20:54] <micrex22> (I don't know if linux JFS is actually JFS2 or JFS1, there is conflicting information on that)
[20:57] <ajshell1> On second thought, this isn't the best idea, since the host zpool and guest zpool are both called "rpool" by default. This is a disaster waiting to happen, especially since the guest pool is on a ZVOL.
[20:58] <ajshell1> BTRFS it is, then.
[20:58] <sarnold> oh man, just wait until you find out that both hosts are known as 'localhost'
[21:00] <ajshell1> There is actually an issue that you can run into if you have two identically named ZFS pools on the same system. I froget if it'll only import one or if it won't import either.
[21:23] <kZo> anyone have experience with setting up xbindkeys?  Trying to get my mouse forward/backward buttons working.
[21:24] <kZo> just really looking for it in Chrome.   I have checked online and many different ways of doing it, the couple options I've tried doesn't seem to work.
[21:27] <kZo> doesn't look like xbindkeys -k is getting any input.   To make it worse, I'm using synergyc on my linux and synergy on my windows machine.  Maybe it's synergy.
[21:33] <mesaboogie> kZo: boot to live usb ubuntu (without synergy) and test it straight up. elimination
[21:34] <mesaboogie> kZo: or just turn off synergy in your current setup
[21:37] <Somethin1> Hi! I just restarted my 20.04 install, and suddenly can't find my ethernet connection. I'm on a desktop where I didn't need any drivers initially for my network card so I'm really confused
[21:39] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: settings | network | share screenshot
[21:39] <s98259> Hi, I'm missing /etc/mysql, how do I restore it?
[21:40] <Somethin1> https://imgur.com/a/NGi2Rxt
[21:40] <Somethin1> It's just not there
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: hrmph , strange one
[21:41] <Somethin1> Wait I know what it was >:|
[21:41] <Somethin1> i think
[21:41] <Somethin1> I was following along with LFS and I edited my host /etc/network/interface instead of the chrooted one
[21:41] <Somethin1> small brain moment
[21:41] <mesaboogie> s98259: that directory+files is supplied by mysql-common package.
[21:41] <Somethin1> sorry
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: what was it?
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: ah
[21:42] <s98259> Awesome, thanks, it worked.
[21:42] <mesaboogie> s98259: yw
[21:42] <Somethin1> mesaboogie one question though, now that i've unbroken that file,, how do i apply changes?
[21:43] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: probably a reboot or a restart of network services
[21:43] <sarnold> Somethin1: /etc/network/interfaces is ignored unless you install the ifupdown package; note that this isn't officially supported on 20.04, so you're kind of on your own in case it doesn't work out well
[21:44] <mesaboogie> thanks sarnold for the clarification
[21:45] <kZo> mesaboogie: I just got it.  The bindings weren't setup right.   Stupid '
[21:45] <mesaboogie> kZo: good job
[21:45] <kZo> I just needed to know how to call the bindings.  Once I found the "right way" to set them up it was pretty easy.  Just didn't know how to call them.
[22:27] <CrtxReavr> If I edit /etc/(passwd|shadow|group) files, what must be run to make those changes active on the system?
[22:28] <mlu> is there any quick way I can customize away the purple motif that's in the default install?
[22:28] <mlu> or is the purple kind of like the black in the Model T?
[22:29] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: they're live immediately, there's no database step as on other systems
[22:30] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, cool - thanks
[22:30] <mlu> in other words: I don't like the defaults for the desktop, are there other ones available, or should I bleach my eyes?
[22:32] <sarnold> mlu: there's a bunch of desktop environments if you just want something completely different; i3m, or lxde, or xfce, or lxqt, or kde, etc etc etc
[22:33] <sarnold> mlu: I don't know what's involved in making a new theme, or selecting a different theme, for the gnome-shell, but I assume there's some way to do that
[22:35] <mlu> cool, but nothing that's simply "pointy-clicky" right?
[22:35] <mlu> was wondering if I can like `apt install clearlooks` and make it look like Fedora
[22:36] <otis> go to fedora then
[22:38] <sarnold> heh, "apt-cache search clear look" returns some gtk 2 and 3 packages.. doesn't look promising
[22:40] <mlu> in practice, though, I'd probably just wait for a focal-based Mint to drop
[22:42] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, so the passwd-, shadow-, and group- are just backups?
[22:44] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: yes; they should be managed by vipw et al
[22:44] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: there's no equiv of mkpasword or pwd_mkdb, etc
[22:45] <CrtxReavr> Well. . . their docker container is ubuntu, so they can be overwritten with no extra step.
[22:46]  * CrtxReavr got confused what channel he was typing at.
[22:46] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, thanks.
[22:47] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: you're welcome, have fun :)
[23:07] <eelstrebor> anyone experiencing multiple vlc icons on the top bar on the right hand side?  i'm sure that it's a bug
[23:12] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, I upgraded to 20.04 and can't see Wireguard in the Gnome Network Manager. I'd like to import a .conf file for it. Any suggestions on whether I need to install some packages? I already have `wireguard` installed ha
[23:52] <ecov> anyone have any suggestions for a squeezebox client
[23:52] <ecov> squeezebox/LMS
[23:54] <bluezinc> mlu: you could always run kubuntu if purple's not your thing