[09:19] <Hesiboy> hry
[09:19] <Hesiboy> hey*
[09:22] <diogenes_> hi
[11:11] <Munsko> Hello. Somebody plays here FreeCol in the last version of lubuntu(20.04)?
[11:13] <Munsko> Its just for check one problem im having with the game
[18:06] <CrazyTux> when will be Lubuntu 20.04.1 released?
[18:06] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[18:07] <CrazyTux> wxl, thanks
[18:08] <CrazyTux> is lubuntu 20.04.0 i.e Lubuntu LTS with lxqt as stable and as bugfree as Lubuntu lxde?
[18:10] <Munsko> Bugfree isnt exist(even the lxde one have its bugs)
[18:11] <Munsko> You can use 20.04, i didnt find important bugs
[18:11] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:12] <CrazyTux> btw, does xfce have more features and functionalities vis a vis lxqt?
[18:13] <Munsko> I really dont know that, never tried Xfce
[18:13] <Munsko> Qt is still in dev
[18:13] <Munsko> But u can install non QT packgaes if u need the
[18:13] <Munsko> them
[18:14] <CrazyTux> ok.
[18:14] <CrazyTux> so, lxqt is still not as mature and as complete as xfce?
[18:14] <Munsko> I cant aswer that either, because i dont know xfce XD
[18:14] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:15] <wxl> xfce is certainly heavier
[18:15] <Munsko> Sorry, im new in linux
[18:15] <wxl> features and functions: maybe. probably not.
[18:15] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:16] <wxl> the only part of lubuntu that's really kind of slimmed down is its window manager (openbox). officially lxqt is window manager agnostic, so lxqt doesn't necessarily mean openbox. if you want a more fancy window manager, kwin is a good choice.
[18:17] <CrazyTux> I am just a casual end user.
[18:17] <CrazyTux> I want a fully functional yet lightweight distro.
[18:17] <CrazyTux> a distro that is lightweight and newbie friendly.
[18:18] <wxl> that's lubuntu for you
[18:18] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:18] <CrazyTux> I'll try Lubuntu.
[18:18] <wxl> i like to think of lubuntu as the OS that doesn't get in your way
[18:19] <CrazyTux> the reason I'm looking for a lightweight distro is my laptop has limited resources and I don't want to upgrade it.
[18:19] <wxl> then you certainly want lubuntu
[18:20] <CrazyTux> it runs on intel core i3 5th gen quad core cpu, 2 GHz, 4 GBs of RAM and intel integrated graphics.
[18:20] <wxl> that's a hot rod compared to what a lot of people are using XD
[18:21] <CrazyTux> which DE would be suitable for this computer?
[18:21] <wxl> lxqt
[18:21] <wxl> i.e. lubuntu
[18:22] <wxl> it's not so limited that you need to do some ridiculous super slim thing
[18:22] <wxl> but if you wanted to you could do something like ONLY use openbox and not have a desktop environment at all
[18:23] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:24] <wxl> that's an advanced subject though
[18:24] <CrazyTux> I think for a casual end user, a DE would be better.
[18:24] <wxl> just use lubuntu. it will do you well. you won't have to think about how to put all the pieces together.
[18:24] <wxl> exactly
[18:24] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:24] <CrazyTux> I will wait for 20.04.1
[18:25] <wxl> if you have problems or questions, drop a note here or on our discourse or the mailing list
[18:25] <wxl> i wouldn't wait
[18:25] <wxl> there's no reason to
[18:25] <CrazyTux> some say that it will be more stable as compared to 20.04
[18:26] <CrazyTux> now, I'm using mx linux. Even mx is awesome. But, since, mx linux is based on debian stable, it will have slightly older versions of packages.
[18:28] <CrazyTux> wxl, I'll try Lubuntu.
[18:28] <apt-ghetto> some say slightly older versions are more stable
[18:28] <CrazyTux> apt-ghetto, yes mx linux is very stable.
[18:29] <apt-ghetto> take the desktop environment which you like and look for a distro, that provides fixes and updates
[18:29] <wxl> stable can also mean less functional
[18:30] <wxl> stable can also mean it has bugs the new software doesn't
[18:30] <CrazyTux> wxl, please elaborate on that.
[18:30] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:30] <CrazyTux> wxl, so, which distro would you suggest?
[18:30] <apt-ghetto> fixing bugs can also mean to introduce other bugs
[18:31] <wxl> CrazyTux: what i mean is "stable" is kind of a farce
[18:31] <CrazyTux> how?
[18:31] <wxl> like everyone gravitates in ubuntu to these LTS versions because they're so stable
[18:31] <wxl> my experience is that they're *outdated* and they lack things relative to more current versions
[18:31] <wxl> also my experience is that *EVERYTHING* has bugs
[18:31] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:32] <wxl> so to try to avoid them is useless
[18:32] <CrazyTux> so, do you recomment non LTS versions of ubuntu/lubuntu?
[18:32] <wxl> on the other hand i will say running on the cutting edge is not a wise idea
[18:32] <apt-ghetto> the lts versions are mainly important for servers
[18:32] <wxl> i recommend *all* versions of ubuntu/lubuntu, not just the LTS ones
[18:32] <wxl> the only good reason for using LTS only is because you are a business and the scale of managing upgrades is just way too overwhelming
[18:33] <CrazyTux> wxl, so, which distro would you recommend to a casual end user like me? It needs to be secure as well.
[18:33] <wxl> *lubuntu*
[18:33] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:33] <wxl> i'll add one other thing, though, about secure: security depends upon your risk model
[18:34] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:34] <wxl> if you're paranoid about state actors, there's really only one out there i would suggest (tails)
[18:35] <CrazyTux> ok.
[18:35] <wxl> if you're a normal person and just want to not have to worry about causual malware and the likes, lubuntu works just fine
[18:35] <wxl> in fact, most distros do
[18:35] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:35] <CrazyTux> I'll try Lubuntu in VM first.
[18:35] <wxl> if you want something in between, in general, you won't find a lot of distros out there that do the trick
[18:35] <CrazyTux> or on a live usb.
[18:35] <apt-ghetto> And don't evaluate only the software, but consider also the community, the help and documentation you can get or not
[18:36] <CrazyTux> apt-ghetto, ok
[18:36] <wxl> you will almost ALWAYS need to do your own work to more vehemently harden software
[18:36] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:36] <wxl> heck, even the big name operating systems don't do the job there
[18:36] <CrazyTux> yes.
[18:36] <wxl> luckily linux is, in general, not much of a target
[18:37] <CrazyTux> true
[18:38] <CrazyTux> I'll try it.
[18:38] <CrazyTux> thanks for all this info.
[18:38] <wxl> yep
[18:38] <CrazyTux> bye.
[18:39] <CrazyTux> have a great day.