[00:47] <jamesh> robert_ancell: about that person complaining about the size of snapd-glib, it looks like the main culprit is that libicudata -- a 26MB library
[00:47] <jamesh> it gets pulled in via libxml2, which is a dep of libsoup
[01:16] <callmepk> good morning
[01:31] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[01:31] <callmepk> hi duflu 
[01:31] <jamesh> hi callmepk, duflu
[01:32] <callmepk> hi jamesh 
[01:37] <duflu> Morning jamesh 
[01:48] <robert_ancell> jamesh, ah
[01:48] <jamesh> robert_ancell: I guess this comes from the SOAP code in libsoup
[01:49] <robert_ancell> That's annoying, I wonder if there's a way to avoid that.
[01:50] <jamesh> You can rebuild libxml2 without ICU support.  It looks like Debian enabled it because Chromium requires it, and they didn't want Chromium using it's bundled libxml2
[01:50] <robert_ancell> Ah, so if you're making something embedded I guess you need to roll your own version.
[01:51] <jamesh> libsoup is probably about due for a replacement bundled with GLib anyway...
[01:57] <robert_ancell> Yeah, GIO should probably have something there.
[01:58] <jamesh> probably not covering everything libsoup does, but basic HTTP message parsing and connection handling are fairly common tasks these days
[03:14] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ae2a150 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/ changelog patches/0015-connectivity-add-network-connectivity-checking-toggl.patch * Include "privacy" in Keywords for Connectivity panel * https://deb.li/3uj1z
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:42] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[06:42] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <luna_> morning
[06:53] <duflu> Morning didrocks and luna
[06:54] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:54] <oSoMoN> good morning luna_ 
[06:56] <didrocks> hey luna_, duflu, oSoMoN 
[07:38] <conjo> hi all- i would like to contribute to opensource im not a coder-"yet...but am reading/learning bash and python3", where should i start another suggested the following but they are not accepting any more users to join?
[07:39] <conjo> https://www.firsttimersonly.com/ & https://www.codenewbie.org/ are all full
[07:39] <oSoMoN> conjo, good morning! you could start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[07:42] <oSoMoN> Ubuntu doesn't put any limit on users/contributors, and there are plenty of opportunities to contribute to the project in different ways
[07:45] <conjo> oSoMoN, cools thank you =)
[07:46] <jamesh> conjo: there are also non-code ways you can contribute to various projects too.
[07:46] <conjo> yeah am reading about testing iso atm
[07:47] <conjo> reading the walk throught https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[07:53] <jamesh> conjo: as for first time code contributions, I think your best bet would be to pick a project you're passionate about.  It's much easier to stay motivated working on something you're interested in and actually care about seeing fixed.
[07:55] <conjo> thanks jamesh what where your first contributions
[07:56] <jamesh> that's a very long time ago :)
[07:59] <duflu> Ha
[07:59] <conjo> conjour the magic relive the moment for me lols
[07:59] <jamesh> some of my earliest open source work actually used by other people was a program to help do simple MySQL backed web pages (back when there weren't many choices for that)
[08:00] <jamesh> it is a lot easier to contribute to existing projects these days
[08:02] <Laney> moin
[08:02] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[08:08] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:11] <duflu> Morning Laney and seb128 
[08:12] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:14] <thumper> hey team
[08:14] <thumper> been meaning to comment on a few things
[08:14] <thumper> been using kde for a while, but wanted to get back to the ubuntu desktop
[08:15] <thumper> however with external monitors, it isn't remembering the setup between sessions
[08:15] <thumper> and this is a deal breaker
[08:15] <thumper> on focal
[08:15] <thumper> I really like the fractional scaling per monitor
[08:16] <thumper> is this a known issue?
[08:16] <thumper> want a bug?
[08:16] <thumper> however, not sure what I'd add to a bug other than the above
[08:17] <didrocks> hey thumper! Hope you are doing well :)
[08:17] <thumper> didrocks: yeah, pretty good, how's things where you are?
[08:17] <thumper> are resturants opening?
[08:17]  * thumper remembers the good food
[08:19] <didrocks> good as well, restaurants are closed (only some shops opened since Monday) and we still have restrictions on our far you can travel (less than 100km). Anyway, busy with a second child, so didn’t plan moving too far :)
[08:19] <didrocks> I have dual monitors, and I recently saw one "jump" (resetting to default layout), but most of the time, this is fine. Maybe duflu or Trevinho can be of help?
[08:24] <duflu> Hi thumper, didrocks. Try bug 1825593
[08:25] <thumper> sounds like that could be it
[08:25] <duflu> 🤞
[08:47] <seb128> hey duflu, didrocks, thumper, how are you?
[08:47] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[08:47] <seb128> I'm alright :)
[08:48] <seb128> nice to see that the gnome-shell SRU was accepted, moving forward with fixes :)
[08:55] <didrocks> seb128: tough night, but ok
[08:55] <seb128> didrocks, :-( good luck
[08:59] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128 duflu 
[09:10] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, morning Laney 
[09:10] <seb128> hey Laney, oSoMoN, how are you?
[09:11] <oSoMoN> a bit tired, but good otherwise
[09:11] <seb128> welcome to the club then :-)
[09:12] <seb128> ricotz, hey, nice to see that you got the libreoffice issue resolved ... just a variant of the first fix you tried?
[09:21] <seb128> great, gtk migrated, should help with other things without having to manually retru
[09:22] <Laney> moin oSoMoN 
[09:22] <Laney> yeah doing good!
[09:22] <Laney> nice & sunny today
[09:58] <ricotz> hey desktopers!
[09:59] <ricotz> seb128, yes, it is an extension of the initial fix
[10:44] <Trevinho> thumper: let me know if that doesn't help 
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: shouldn't you be  in dad-only mode? ;-)
[10:55] <marcustomlinson> thanks for that fix ricotz! sorry I couldn’t be of more help, been buuusy
[10:59] <seb128> Trevinho, bonjouno, I'm not much on the computer atm, I still would like to see some SRU and things moving so trying to squeeze some computer time in between things
[11:05] <marcustomlinson> seb128: coz Ubuntu is your baby too right :)
[11:11] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, don't worry
[11:12] <seb128> marcustomlinson, lol, sort of I guess yes :)
[11:13] <seb128> Trevinho, unsure what you are working atm but when you have spare cycles can you upload/SRU the dock update with the fixes we mentioned recently for the dash/dots (iirc?) issue and try to do an upload for the desktop icons one with the fix to use the current keyevent names? (recent git commit)
[11:55] <ricotz> seb128, marcustomlinson, do you consider this libreoffice help bug urgent?
[11:56] <ricotz> it might be worth to wait and include it into libreoffice 6.4.4 next week? (6.4.4 rc2 got tagged yesterday)
[11:57] <ricotz> hellsworth, ^
[11:57] <luna_> ricotz: ah cool :)
[12:02] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: I would wait until the next release yeah
[13:09] <ricotz> hellsworth, marcustomlinson, jfyi https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/11290855/+listing-archive-extra
[13:24] <seb128> ricotz, waiting for the next upload should be fine, workaround is easy and that bug has been around for a while now
[13:39] <Trevinho> seb128: I did upload that... no?
[13:40] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry I missed that one for some reason, yes you did ... can you also do the desktop icon one? ;)
[13:40] <Trevinho> sure!
[13:45] <Trevinho> seb128: also https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons/-/commit/f31a96143ac0f26eb9bff89cdae3a5f8b7846aea would be nice, but probably needs translation update
[13:45] <seb128> Trevinho, right, that's going to be for the new cycle, it's not important, using the dock is good enough for most cases
[13:49] <Trevinho> ok
[13:49] <Trevinho> as per me, I'm working in various fixes in gjs now, but I've in the works also a xorg fix and couple of g-c-c ones
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, k, keep rocking :)
[14:13] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1878285 might be one for you
[14:14] <seb128> though it might make sense to just land the refactoring rather than fixing bugs on the old version
[14:42] <hellsworth> ricotz: yeah let's wait for 6.4.4 as seb128 and marcustomlinson said.. really just ack'ing that we're doing this :)
[14:42] <hellsworth> also good morning desktopers
[14:42] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[14:42] <hellsworth> hi there oSoMoN 
[14:43] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: seb128 ricotz i've been meaning to say.. thank you so much for all of your help with the libreoffice bugs lately!
[14:44] <oSoMoN> I don't think I was of much help myself, but… you're welcome :)
[14:45] <didrocks> good morning hellsworth 
[14:45] <hellsworth> hi didrocks !
[14:46] <hellsworth> how's the new baby?
[14:46] <didrocks> hellsworth: night was though, which is to be expected TBH and probably not the last one ;) but everyone is going well which is the most important, thanks!
[14:46] <didrocks> and are things for you and your family?
[14:47] <hellsworth> we're surviving.. although my daughter had an accident last night and hit her head and we had to go to the ER... she's fine but has a black eye
[14:47] <hellsworth> as she becomes more mobile, she's bound to hit things i guess. still is terrifying when it happens
[14:48] <didrocks> urgh, not a nice time either to go to ER :/ yeah, it starts to be the age of protecting part of the furnitures but you can’t fully avoid accident
[14:48] <Laney> my sister's kid has a harry potter scar from when he was about that age and walked into a door
[14:48] <Laney> it had to be glued back together iirc
[14:48] <hellsworth> oh man
[14:49] <oSoMoN> magical door?
[14:49] <Laney> kids /o\
[14:49] <Laney> voldedoor
[14:49] <didrocks> urgh :/
[14:49] <hellsworth> yeah aurelia fell and hit the humidifier right below the eyebrow.. it was not quite swollen shut this morning
[14:49] <oSoMoN> the door that must not be named
[14:49] <hellsworth> voldedoor!!!
[14:49] <didrocks> I read that before being aged 5, 50% of children has some issues with broken or partially broken teeth. Already done with Martin, so I hope Céleste will be the other 50% :p
[14:49]  * hellsworth hugs Laney for the best pun of the day
[14:49] <Laney> :>
[16:29] <Laney> FIXUP FIXUP FIXUP
[17:07] <GunnarHj> Hello seb128, I'm about to upload a fix of bug #1878515 to focal, but thought I'd check first if there is anything else in the pipeline.
[17:15] <Laney> cut about half of the commits now
[17:15] <Laney> still way more to go
[17:15] <Laney> weeee
[19:03] <hellsworth> https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-hwe-team/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/log/?h=snap-1.22
[22:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, no change in the queue but GNOME 3.36.3 is at the end of the month, that could probably wait for those udpates
[22:22] <seb128> on that note closing IRC, I was just walking by to stop the computer
[22:22] <seb128> night