[01:58] <oerheks> come on guys, fix those videos https://askubuntu.com/questions/1239703/hi-i-cant-install-my-kali-with-30gb-and-see-a-lot-of-kali-installing-videos
[05:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:41] <ducasse> good morning
[06:46]  * TJ- waves ... can anyone recall which channels I'm supposed to be in!? This thing keeps 'forgetting' :D
[06:46] <ducasse> hiyas TJ- - join all the channels!
[06:47] <TJ-> hehehe ... all 20,000 ?
[06:47] <ducasse> :)
[06:47] <TJ-> I know I usually have about 25 in the list and I'm at 15 so far :D
[06:48] <ducasse> i have the same problem now and then, need to fix my autojoin list
[06:49] <TJ-> It's since I moved to the new weechat and a couple of the python plugins seem to be tempremental
[06:49] <TJ-> Ahhh! read the logs/ directory list
[10:54] <daftykins> :)
[16:55] <JakeSays> ok so what's the purpose of #ubuntu?
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: to ask ubuntu issues and get them solved
[16:55] <oerheks1> technical support, JakeSays
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: why did you regret upgrading to 20.04, and from wich version did you?
[16:56] <JakeSays> lol ok well i have an ubuntu issue
[16:56] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: 19.10
[16:56] <JakeSays> well, ok, i guess it's not an issue per se
[16:56] <JakeSays> but i found a problem with tcgetattr that came about with 20.04
[16:57] <JakeSays> it's behavior has changed in such a way that fails when lazy developers use it.
[16:57] <JakeSays> lol ok this is totally not a support issue
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: please lets treat developers with respect, everyone is doing what they can
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: you have chosen to install a non-lts, and move to the next version early
[16:58] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: i'm a developer. i can be just as lazy as the rest
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> that means extra bugs can arise
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: if you want a stable, less bugs experience choose the LTS way and wait for the point releases
[17:00] <JakeSays> anyway, i'm just trying to get more info on this behavior change. the change is specifically three padding bytes in termios are being returned with garbage in 20.04, and they were zero'd in 19.10
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: you can also help the community and the devs by filing a !bug about it
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> might work better then regret and frustrations
[17:01] <JakeSays> hey lets not get hung up on the word regret. i was just expressing myself.
[17:01] <JakeSays> where do i file this bug.
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: do you have a launchpad account?
[17:02] <JakeSays> i dont believe so
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: create one first, then ubuntu-bug yourpackagename from terminal
[17:03] <JakeSays> ok. what package would this issue be a part of?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: well that was gonna be my next idea, it might be handy to first ask about your issue in #ubuntu volunteers might know a solution or an existing bug
[17:04] <JakeSays> lol that's where i started
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: yeah but you never asked a question
[17:05] <JakeSays> you never gave me a chance! but i'll go post my question there
[17:13] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: ugh. i should just go back to bed. so trying to create a launchpad account - it keeps telling me to fix errors, but doesn't highlight anything. (it was highlighting errors when my passwords don't match)
[17:14] <daftykins> web forms are pretty basic
[17:20] <JakeSays> lol nevermind
[17:20] <JakeSays> i should know better than to attempt anything before i've consumed my requisite amount of caffeine
[20:14] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[20:17] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje_: your earlier comment about "the lts way" - 20.04 is an lts release.
[20:18] <daftykins> you misunderstood, plus he's gone
[20:18] <daftykins> ah no he hasn't, hmm surprised - usually long gone by now :D
[20:19] <JakeSays> daftykins: misunderstood what?
[20:23] <daftykins> what you just quoted obviously
[20:32] <JakeSays> daftykins: i didnt, but thanks for the opinion.
[20:34] <daftykins> JakeSays: no you've got it all wrong, you stated that you were on 19.10 and upgraded to 20.04, you were told it'd be different had you stuck to LTS, which means that you'd have been running 18.04 - and upgrade to 20.04 wouldn't work until 20.04.1 releases
[20:34] <daftykins> quite simple really
[20:35] <JakeSays> yes i understood that.
[20:36] <daftykins> why did you just affirm 20.04 being LTS then? shows you didn't get that
[20:38] <JakeSays> because i would assume that an lts release would be solid enough to support upgrading over a previous version without causing major issues.
[20:38] <daftykins> i don't think the destination being an LTS has any bearing whatsoever on the upgrade process
[20:39] <JakeSays> yeah ok.
[20:41] <daftykins> o0
[20:41] <daftykins> for some the discussion is too much
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> This is why I put in every release announcement: "Since it’s just out, you may experience some issues, so you might want to wait a bit before upgrading."
[20:50] <daftykins> such a shame the obvious has to be said
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> Also, most of the time I find people that have trouble upgrading have added PPAs with weird versioning schemes in their packages.
[20:52] <daftykins> mmm definitely