[00:08] <MikeRL> Well I have good news. I managed to fix it.
[00:08] <MikeRL> No more crap Bluetooth.
[00:09] <MikeRL> Thanks everyone for your help.
[00:25] <shinobi__> I'm trying to verify a public PGP key. One is linked to on the web page and I've found others on PGP servers. So while the one linked to is most likely correct, how does one know that it wasn't spoofed?
[00:27] <_duncan_> Is upstart still supported in Xenial? I'm having some problems with a security update from earlier today to a different package causing kernel panics with it.
[00:28] <shibboleth> look in /etc/init
[00:28] <shibboleth> it isn't default, but yes
[00:29] <_duncan_> What's the best way to report a bug with it?
[00:30] <shibboleth> besides building up speed an run smack into a wall? launchpad/git i guess
[00:33] <shibboleth> one of the reasons why you're kinda f-ed using ubuntu. when you're having issues with netplan, upstart and crap (snap) here is the only place anyone else knows what ypou're even talking about
[00:33] <_duncan_> It's even worse when you've got orchestration tooling that relies on them
[00:33] <shibboleth> amen
[00:33] <_duncan_> I might report it on the json-c package instead, since that's the one actually causing the issues
[00:34] <_duncan_> And it's probably a tad more active
[00:44] <_duncan_> Does it count as a security bug when it's a security update crashing systems?
[00:49] <fairhb> i have been trying to complete a fresh install of Ubuntu 20.04, and live USB fails.  I am able to boot fedora 31 from live USB, and the 20.04 live USB works on another system, so I know it isn't the media
[00:50] <fairhb> not sure how best to capture log details to submit a bug.
[00:51] <fairhb> any know issues with 20.04 live USB?
[01:09] <bitblit> so something that thermald is doing is getting my cpu stuck at like half the max speed, even after stopping thermald. i7z says i'm at 800mhz, should by about 1300. intel broadwell laptop, fanless.
[01:10] <bitblit> % in C1 is around 90%
[01:16] <iconoclasthero> can someone help me figure out how to get ubuntu to boot on the right partition, i.e., sda8?
[01:16] <iconoclasthero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y4jtYbRjx9
[01:16] <iconoclasthero> i want it to boot to 20.04 on sda8...which it did, after a fashion.  if I can boot into sda8 at all I'm looking at just 1/4 of my monitors in 640x480.
[01:16] <iconoclasthero> i've run boot repair seemingly dozens of times and i cannot get it to work.
[01:26] <younder> My question is a bit vague. Canonical Landscape has stopped giving me emails on  software updates. I don't know why. Anyone else experience this and what do you do?
[01:34] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | iconoclasthero  Nvidia graphics ?
[01:35] <iconoclasthero> GPU: GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST
[01:35] <iconoclasthero> yes...  it was working fine before I tried to move it to boot sda8 first.  it's working fine on sda3 (20.04) & sda4 (18.04)
[01:38] <Bashing-om> iconoclasthero: Still seems likely to me that a graphic's driver failed to install for the sda8 kernel, When booting sda8 what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' in the configuration line for a driver ?
[01:40] <iconoclasthero> just to be clear, I was using sda8 with 20.04 on it since the release candidate was released and hadn't had any problems until yesterday when i started messing with boot repair to get sda8 to boot first.  But I'll boot into it later and give it a try.
[01:40] <younder> NVIDIA graphics drives need to patch the kernel source and recompile so that would need to be done for all kernels you boot from.
[01:41] <iconoclasthero> hmmm...
[01:41] <iconoclasthero> can i copy the kernels from the install on sda3 to /boot?
[01:41] <iconoclasthero> i.e., /boot on sda2?
[01:42] <iconoclasthero> i still don't think i'm explaining that right:  sda2 is a separate /boot partition.
[02:04] <bitblit> how do you disable hyperthreading early in boot? bios doesn't allow.
[02:05] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1878319
[02:06] <zenn> anybody looking into this?
[02:07] <younder> bitblit, Why do you want to do this?
[02:07] <oerheks> zenn, why? see answer #2, there is an issue with your installation media
[02:10] <zenn> there wasnt any issue with the installation media
[02:10] <sarnold> bitblit: try: echo off > /sys/devices/system/cpu/smt/control
[02:12] <sarnold> bitblit: kernel command line parameter mitigations=auto,nosmt should also do the job: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/MDS
[02:14] <bitblit> younder: security i guess. just curious if i'll notice. also having heat issues. intel broadwell laptop fanless.
[02:15] <bitblit> sarnold: i'll try that in a bit. the kernel option.
[02:16] <younder> bitblit, Well as security is concerned my computers have the intel-microcode update. Not sure if that works.
[02:17] <sarnold> the microcode updates don't remove the security problems that hyperthreading introduces
[02:17] <younder> bitblit, As for temperature reducing clock frequency is the better choice like disabling turbo mode.
[02:18] <bitblit> i've spent two days fighting thermald. i think my bios has disabled some of the power saving controls.
[02:19] <bitblit> i welcome alternate suggestions.
[02:19] <bitblit> and actually thermald docs kindo suck i have to say. they don't tell you what the defaults are, or the units of measurement. among other problems.
[02:20] <matti> bitblit: What is the problem? Overheating?
[02:20] <sarnold> bitblit: there may not be happiness there, a lot of laptops these days just plain don't have the thermal capacity they should
[02:20] <bitblit> yes, goes up to 80 then crashes
[02:20] <matti> That is a bit much.
[02:20] <matti> Under load or just when idle?
[02:20] <bitblit> sensors tells me the max is 95
[02:20] <bitblit> lol
[02:20] <sarnold> bitblit: but be sure to double-check the basics, like the fans are running free, there's no dust on the fans, in the ports, or heatsink if it's exposed..
[02:21] <bitblit> firefox video :)
[02:21] <matti> bitblit: I see. So under load.
[02:21] <bitblit> there are no fans. it's broadwell fanless. asus zenbook
[02:21] <sarnold> https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-USB-Fans/zgbs/pc/3015416011 perhaps? :)
[02:22] <younder> bitblit, The last time i had thermal problems it was a problem with the thermal paste. Replaced the paste  from Intel with NH-1 and the temperature came right down.
[02:22] <lapion> how can I keep a terminal open so that if during a shutdown some processes do not react I can manually kill them
[02:23] <bitblit> how would i reduce frequencies?
[02:23] <bitblit> cpufreq?
[02:23] <sarnold> lapion: control alt f1 of f2 or something, log in, then control alt f1 or f7 or something to return to the gui
[02:23] <bitblit> i'm not sure how hard it is to get to the cpu but i guess i should try redoing the paste.
[02:24] <lapion> sarnold, the shutdown process is allready in progress..
[02:24] <matti> bitblit: Is this the one that has dGPU? Nvidia?
[02:24] <matti> bitblit: If so, and you don't use external screens, then turn it off.
[02:24] <bitblit> it's just the intel integrated gfx
[02:24] <matti> bitblit: Which model is it precisely?
[02:24] <matti> bitblit: There are a few ZenBooks
[02:24] <bitblit> ux305fa
[02:25] <matti> OK. Let me have a look.
[02:25] <matti> bitblit: A bit of a silly question, but often valid - does it also overheat when running Windows?
[02:25] <kyle1337> there commiting treasonthere commiting treason
[02:26] <bitblit> matti: i do dual boot but don't spend any time in windows. i don't recall it ever happening. but, windowsn has better video playback in firefox.
[02:26] <matti> bitblit: Often vendors have drivers or some specific hacks like i.e., undervolting that they tailor to their mainstream OS they ship.
[02:27] <bitblit> video playback in browser is what seems to kill it. mpv can do 1080p at very low cpu.
[02:27] <matti> bitblit: I suspect, on Linux it has HWP issues and goes into TB often, which causes it to use more power. You can try to disable TB and see, and then try to also tinker with undervolting - both at your own risk :)
[02:27] <bitblit> TB?
[02:27] <matti> bitblit: And if you have dGPU, then disabling it would most likely help - as these often share heating block with the CPU in a compact chassis.
[02:27] <matti> bitblit: Turbo Boost
[02:28] <matti> bitblit: Unfortunately, whatever you do, it often means nerfing your CPUs performance, so you might not be happy about it :)
[02:29] <matti> bitblit: Next time you look for Linux notebook, read reviews in advance to avoid headaches later.
[02:29] <thumbfinger> Is there any way to get GPU hardware acceleration on AMD Stoney Ridge?
[02:29] <bitblit> actually if i could limit it to a temp i'd love it. regardless of the perf hit.
[02:29] <thumbfinger> Hopefully I'm not asking the same thing bitblit is
[02:29] <sarnold> lapion: ah, if the other gettys are already turned off, then there's not much you can do
[02:30] <thumbfinger> Because I certainly made the same mistake
[02:31] <lapion> sarnold, I should set my system up to stop the gettys as last
[02:32] <lapion> which should be the default given how often systemd fails to stop many processes
[02:33] <thumbfinger> The /proc/cpuinfo for what I am asking about lists "AMD A6-9220C RADEON R5"
[02:36] <sarnold> lapion: if it's the same ones every time, you could systemctl edit the units in question and add some draconian killing.. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.kill.html#
[02:37] <bitblit> cpufreq-set --max 2000MHz has no effect..
[02:37] <lapion> sarnold, no it's not allways the same ones..
[02:37] <sarnold> thumbfinger: I know next to nothing about amd stuff.. but if this is a new chip, be sure to be trying with 20.04 lts, that's got the best chance of having drivers for new hardware
[02:38] <sarnold> lapion: aw, dang, I came to detest the squid shutdown scripts.. why on earth would it take two minutes to shut down?
[02:39] <matti> bitblit: It seems when things work, then it would be OK, as per: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX305FA
[02:39] <matti> bitblit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ASUS_Zenbook_UX305
[02:40] <matti> bitblit: I wonder if you have dust in the heat sink? https://www.myfixguide.com/manual/asus-zenbook-ux305fa-disassembly/
[02:41] <bitblit> thx for the links, hadn't seen the one for debian (or the others)
[02:42] <matti> bitblit: I can't help you much from afar, so you need to research this.
[02:42] <matti> bitblit: Good luck!
[02:42] <matti> :)
[02:42] <bitblit> thanks :)
[02:48] <lapion> sarnold, not allways the same culprit cometimes it's cups sometimes it's a fs that refuses to unmount because some directory is binded to an external device sometimes it's some ghost process that is just running but should not stop systemd..
[02:50] <sarnold> lapion: oh strange; I can understand the one dependant on an external device, the kernel can misbehave if devices just disappear
[02:51] <sarnold> but cups etc ought to be able to be killed no trouble
[02:53] <bitblit> echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
[02:53] <bitblit> problem solved :D
[02:56] <sarnold> bitblit: dude, really?
[02:59] <MannyLNJ> Hello. I think I know the problem but not how to solve it. I have a dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 20.04 system. I am using Thunderbird on both as my mail client. I have my mail files stored on an exfat partition. To save space I want both OS's to use the same mail files. I was about to mount the partition under /home/emanuel/.thunderbird but the files are owned by root. I can't get chown to work. I think because you can't chown exfat.
[02:59] <MannyLNJ> Because of this Thunderbird won't run. How do I get past this problem?
[03:00] <bitblit> well, at first i was happy but it is a bit slow. i7z reports 1ghz instead of 2ghz.. i need to find a better medium.
[03:01] <sarnold> MannyLNJ: it depends how you're mounting it -- eg this fuse implementation supports uid= and gid= to set the owner and group https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/exfat-fuse/mount.exfat.8.en.html
[03:02] <MannyLNJ> sarnold, I believe exfat is supported nativley my fstab that disks made is /dev/disk/by-uuid/7851-CE3F /home/emanuel/.thunderbird auto nosuid,nodev,nofail 0 0
[03:02] <MannyLNJ>  
[03:03] <m4221|phone> Is NFS tolerant of 50-100 ms of latency?
[03:06] <thumbfinger> sarnold I am on 20.04, I'm actually seeing regressions from 19.x
[03:07] <sarnold> MannyLNJ: alright, it looks like the uid and gid options should be supported with the native driver, too; try changing: nosuid,nodev,nofail to nosuid,nodev,nofail,uid=whatever,gid=whatever
[03:07] <sarnold> thumbfinger: oh no :( well, that's at least worth a bug report..
[03:08] <sarnold> m4221|phone: I suspect doing 'streaming reads' of large files would work fine, I'm less sure about random access to files, find or updatedb might be pretty painful
[03:09] <kyle1337> the ultimate authority
[03:09] <thumbfinger> My issue boils down to "what dmesg warns me will happen is happening" so I assume it is a known issue.
[03:10] <m4221|phone> sarnold: it's probably the same for large writes too
[03:10] <sarnold> thumbfinger: not a great assumption :) hehe
[03:10] <sarnold> m4221|phone: heh, yeah :/
[03:11] <m4221|phone> sarnold: we have an as400 that accesses our Linux box via NFS that will be doing it over a gigabit wan connection
[03:12] <m4221|phone> Anyway ty
[03:13] <MannyLNJ> sarnold, thank yiu.  It seems to be working now
[03:13] <sarnold> m4221|phone: I'd be curious to hear how it goes :)
[03:13] <sarnold> MannyLNJ: nice :D
[03:13] <m4221|phone> sarnold: we have 1ms locally, but 18ms over the wan
[03:14] <m4221|phone> With a lot of legacy software
[03:25] <mortal1> 30 23 * *  * apt-get update; apt-get autoremove --yes; apt-get dist-upgrade --yes; shutdown -h now
[03:25] <mortal1> ^ I'm trying to run that at 11:30pm every night if the laptop is on, but it doesn't seem to fire?
[03:28] <sarnold> mortal1: did cron send you an email?
[03:29] <mortal1> i don't have sendmail or anything setup on my laptop
[03:29] <sarnold> try looking in /var/spool/mail/root or similar
[03:30] <sarnold> mortal1: did you change the PATH in the crontab file? the manpage says: PATH  is  set  to  "/usr/bin:/bin".
[03:31] <mortal1> I didn't change the path for chron,
[03:48] <RoseBus> okay if the remote host is rejecting my connection due to too many failed attempts what is the most likely thing wrong with my .ssh folder
[03:49] <RoseBus> i know it's that folder bc i did mv .ssh .ssh_bak and then i was able to connect
[03:49] <sarnold> RoseBus: don't go anywhere for a sec, I think I know this one..
[03:50] <RoseBus> yay
[03:50] <RoseBus> free help <3 freenode
[03:50] <sarnold> RoseBus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1872145
[03:50] <sarnold> RoseBus: comment #4 has a ppa with a proposed fix
[03:51] <sarnold> RoseBus: of course, if the "too many keys" thing doesn't sound right, well, then the ppa may not help you :(
[03:51] <sarnold> RoseBus: but there ya go, that's my guess :D
[03:52] <RoseBus> omg
[03:52] <RoseBus> that's most certainly my issue
[03:53] <RoseBus> i have several keys there and the only thing that happened between when it worked and it didn't work is i added more keys
[03:53] <sarnold> sounds pretty plausible
[03:53] <sarnold> this can't fix the too many keys :( but it can at least let you use -i on the command line to indicate which one you want to use first. I think.
[03:53] <sarnold> (it's been a while since I've read this one..)
[03:54] <RoseBus> yea
[03:54] <RoseBus> i will just use -i
[03:54] <RoseBus> now i just gotta figure out which key is which bc i didn't name them very well :(
[03:54] <sarnold> heh :( I'm familiar with that...
[03:56] <sarnold> alright, time for me to bail, have fun RoseBus, if that ppa lets you use -i successfully, please do leave a comment, I suspect it may help convince upstream of the utility of the changes
[03:56] <RoseBus> ok
[05:47] <jarnos> For which release of Ubuntu was apt command added so that apt remove and apt purge works?
[05:51] <EdFletcher> literally all of them
[06:02] <jarnos> Oh this tells it was Ubuntu 16.04: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ There may still be some Ubuntu 14.04 installations around, though standard support ended on April 2019: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[06:06] <davido_> I'm having trouble updating snaps. I'm told "...(invalid credentials)"
[06:10] <davido_> I started noticing the issue after upgrading to 20.04
[06:16] <takov751> hello there
[06:18] <davido_> takov751: Did you have a question?
[06:20] <takov751> Ahh hello davido_ . I just have a question regarding wireguard integration into the gnome network manager ,as i already have successed on archlinux already with one of the package from aur. Up until now i have only used the nmcli on ubuntu 20.04 and the wg-quick,but couldn't find any gui solution
[06:21] <takov751> which is weird as network-manager has native support for wireguard and not too long until the wireguard will be baked into the kernel
[06:25] <davido_> You've installed the wireguard apt package?
[06:25] <takov751> I am already using wireguard from cli. Both nmcli and wg-quick command works perfectly well
[06:26] <davido_> I see. Well, I don't use Wireguard. But I do use a VPN most of the day, every day, and I'm happy to just open a terminal and start it up.
[06:27] <davido_> Sorry, I myself can't answer your question, but maybe someone else here can.
[06:27] <takov751> Thank you for the effort davido_
[06:28] <davido_> My Gnome software center does indicate there's a Snap based wireguard tool available.
[06:28] <fabbo> Since upgrading to Focal, audio behaves weirdly
[06:29] <fabbo> namely, no matter what output device is chosen in Settings, audio comes from the headphones if they are plugged in, no audio at all comes if they are not
[06:29] <fabbo> should a bug be filed in launchpad?
[06:29] <takov751> davido_ the wireguard tools is only cli solution , what we need is a gnome integration
[06:30] <takov751> fabbo : I would first install pavucontrol and see the settings and used devices first
[06:30] <takov751> however if its still a mistery go for the bug report
[06:33] <fabbo> pavucontrol looks normal
[06:33] <fabbo> now the plot thickens
[06:33] <fabbo> Video (totem) seems to obet the settings, that is, when HDMI is switched Video outputs audio to the HDMI, but the settings Test button always sends the sound to the headphones
[06:34] <fabbo> *obey the settings
[06:35] <TJ-> fabbo: only just came in, but it is possible the GUI 'test' button is, under the hood, calling the 'speaker-test' CLI tool with fixed options
[06:37] <fabbo> TJ-, in that case it would be a gnome-settings bug, right?
[06:41] <yotam11> Hello everybody, yesterday i installed 20.04 on my asus zenbook ux431f, and i had 3 problems: the sound is not continuous, the machine can't identify my wi fi network and i also had problem with the built in screen (can see only on outside scree). it looks like the os just not fit my computer. there is something i should try to solve this issues?
[06:43] <TJ-> fabbo: yeah... but usually as I understand the Gnome tools don't call out to CLI tooling, they usually integrate the code into their libraries... this was just an idea :)
[06:44] <TJ-> fabbo: it could be the GUI 'Test' assumes to use the 'default' device rather than the currently active... maybe you could test that by attaching a bluetooth sound device and seeing if you can get the test sounds out of that ?
[06:44] <davido_> fabbo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1866194
[06:44] <makara> hi. I can't get my machine to suspend. I've had issues with bluetooth in the past. I turned that off and killed and process with "blue" in the name. With ubs20.04 i can't even enter suspend
[06:44] <davido_> fabbo: It sounds like the issue you are experiencing is documented under Known Issues in the release notes for 20.04.
[06:45] <TJ-> davido_: nice find !
[06:46] <davido_> First place I look even before installing a new version
[06:46] <TJ-> davido_: I don't need to look... I don't use Gnome :P
[06:46] <takov751> yotam11 sadly linux support is not asus forte
[06:47] <takov751> i presume your zenbook has a nvidia intel GPU combo
[06:48] <takov751> yotam11 sadly i can only give you a archwiki article which might be a bit useful ,but if you have less experience with gnu/linux it might be a bit more misleading than helpful
[06:57] <client35> I'm trying to install ubuntu alongside Win10 (it's already installed), but am receiving errors when it comes to install bootloader. When I do the steps to repair grub, but the issue is I don't believe the boot loader was fully installed. Also, please let me know if grub/bootloader aren't the same thing.
[06:59] <client35> I've been reading a ton of guides trying to fix it. I've also tried numerous times to reinstall, but no dice. Tried manually configuring /boot and / as 2 separate partitions, tried 1 partition. I also tried choosing the "install along side" option. CSM is disabled too.
[07:00] <client35> When I go to install alongside, I can either choose /dev/sdd2 or /dev/sdd1 as my EFI system partition, but both of those are my Windows drives. 2 is the bootloader for windows while 1 is recovery.
[07:02] <ms4ndst> client35: In windows, have u prepaired a space on your HD for ubuntu?
[07:02] <client35> ms4ndst yes I've deleted and formatted space for ubuntu. 250GB worth of space
[07:03] <ms4ndst> client35: Don't format it, just delete the space so that it's empty space.
[07:04] <client35> I have tried deleting space, without formatting it. However, when I do that, I can't select the drive when it's time to select which disk. To be clear, I'm trying to install ubuntuDDE, and I know there will be differences but I would think the bootloader issue is something at the core? I could be wrong, but right now I'm reinstalling to get the
[07:04] <client35> full error.
[07:05] <ms4ndst> client35: Then in the ubuntu installer u pick "Something else" and mark the empty space and make a root and swap partition. Se this excelent guide https://fossbytes.com/install-ubuntu-20-04-with-windows-10-dual-boot/
[07:05] <client35> Honestly, if this fails again I'll just install normal ubuntu
[07:05] <ms4ndst> client35: ok haven't tried that distro but basically it's just ubuntu with Budgi isn't it
[07:05] <client35> Yea
[07:06] <client35> Deepin
[07:06] <client35> Oh wow so it finally worked
[07:06] <ms4ndst> client35: I had issues yeasterday trying to install Ubuntu on seperate drive but discovered I booted the USB stick in Legacy mode instead of UEFI mode (felt a bit silly there).
[07:06] <ms4ndst> client35: Deepin thats right sorry.
[07:07] <client35> I saw and fixed that already, because I couldn't find it
[07:07] <ms4ndst> client35: Ok sorry have to go away for a bit. Good luck and hope you solve it. Let me know :)
[07:08] <client35> No worries, appreciate your help!
[07:09] <client35> ms4ndst it worked!
[07:30] <totalnoob> Anyone know how to install Conky Manager in Ubuntu 20.04? After I added the correct repository and run 'sudo apt-get install conky-manager' it says E: Unable to locate package conky-manager
[07:31] <hemebond> Is there a way I can guarantee that a package (chromium-chromedriver) and its dependency (chromium-browser) are always the same version without pinning both to a particular version?
[07:31] <pi0> protocol negotiation failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_NETWORK_RESPONSE i get this error message when connecting from 1 ubuntu 18.04 to another ubuntu 20.04
[07:32] <bartden> hi, how can i install libfuse3 on “buster/sid” version, its not in the apt repo by default apparantly
[07:32] <EriC^^> bartden: /join #debian
[07:42] <bartden> EriC^^: /etc/os-release shows VERSION="18.04.4 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[07:43] <bartden> so i guess its ubuntu, /etc/debian_version is just a remainder i presume
[08:06] <Pricey> hemebond: Isn't that exactly what pinning is?
[08:06] <Pricey> hemebond: Oh, are you saying you don't want one to be ugpraded before the other, but you're ok with them being whatever?
[08:06] <Pricey> totalnoob: Did you `apt update` before trying to install?
[08:06] <Pricey> totalnoob: What is the repository you added?
[08:11] <hemebond> Pricey: That's right, I don't care which version as long as they're the same.
[08:19] <cadabrax> Hello, my gnome-shell hogs 100% CPU for 30-60 seconds at a time randomly. This makes the computer unusable. Using Ubuntu 18.04 in VMWare, there are lots of stack overflow threads, none with working solutions. Any ideas?
[08:19] <cadabrax> short of getting rid of Gnome and using Xfce or any other DE
[08:22] <b1ackandwh1te> cadabrax: tell us the spec of resources allocated to the vm
[08:28] <cadabrax> 4 i7 8th gen cores, 16gb ram
[08:29] <cadabrax> out of 32gb on the system and 4 total cores
[08:30] <cadabrax> it used to work well for months, and it started acting up about a week or so ago. I had a similar issue on my personal laptop (running linux natively), and I solved it by not using gnome anymore. But this is my work laptop and I dont want to reconfigure it from scratch
[08:30] <b1ackandwh1te> this is the machine but have you reserved enough to the vm?
[08:30] <cadabrax> the machine has 4x i7 8th gen cores and 32gb ram, the vm has 4x i7 and 16gb ram
[08:30] <b1ackandwh1te> hum
[08:36] <b1ackandwh1te> cadabrax: is it system wide? host and guest? if is only on vm you migh debug better in #vmware
[08:38] <b1ackandwh1te> I have to admit im not a seasoned user but the log may shed some light in the issue
[08:40] <cadabrax> the host is running windows. this is gnome problem, i've had it before on countless machines, nativve or vm, vmware or virtualbox
[08:43] <b1ackandwh1te> we have to pick a time when someone that can read better the logs is online
[08:51] <Scytale89> Is there a roadmap when zfs+snaphot are produciton ready or suitable for normal desktop usage?
[09:21] <AntonOfTheWoods> Hi, I am trying to get a 20.04 server image installed on a Windows 10 Home VirtualBox (6.1). The installer is failing and restarting after it starts installing. The Cloud-image .ova appears to import but then fails to boot. Any ideas?
[09:40] <nikolam> What's that with (x)Ubuntu live session and it's insisting on 1024X768 resolution (i5 4570 on HP ProDesk 600 G1)
[09:40] <nikolam> integraded CPU graphics, VGA output
[09:40] <nikolam> It does not offer bigger resolution then 1024X768 by default
[09:49] <vlt> Hello. How can I set the mtime of files on an Android device connected via USB File Transmission?
[09:50] <vlt> Is there a way to mount it somewhere (additionally to the GUI file browser)?
[10:12] <vlt> I just found that it seems to be mounted in /run/user/<uid>/gvfs/... but the files there pull an MC Hammer.
[10:15] <clarkk> In the Ubuntu 18.04 notifications panel, it truncates the message. How can I see the full message?
[10:37] <totalnoob> Pricey: sudo apt-get install conky-sudo add-apt-repository ppa:teejee2008/ppa
[10:37] <totalnoob> Pricey, and yes did  apt update
[10:46] <jdaviescoates> My 20.04 machine just shut itself down with no warning for no apparent reason. I'm guessing there are likely some logs somewhere which may give some clues as to why it did this, but I've no idea where I may find them? Any ideas/ pointers? Perhaps it was overheating or something? /me shrugs
[10:50] <jdaviescoates> also, when I tried to power on at first it hung on ubuntu and I had to alt+fn_prtsc s u b or s u o a couple of times before it would boot up again
[10:52] <bodom> Hi there! It looks like update-grub is ignoring memtest86+ and i can't figure out why
[10:52] <luc4> Hello! I noticed that in 20.04 the application named bup was removed. Any idea why?
[10:54] <tarzeau> luc4: from the last 3 release links it failed to build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/bup
[10:55] <tarzeau> i'm not sure if that's the right answer though
[10:55] <ledeni> daviescoates: try   maybe give some info --> journalctl -b -1 | grep 'temperature'
[10:57] <luc4> tarzeau: yes, that is the right answer I guess. Thanks. The approach here is to provide a patch to the project and then to send a bug report to ubuntu to ask to include it again?
[10:59] <tarzeau> luc4: i don't think that's possible for 20.04, but 20.10 should work
[10:59] <clarkk> the notifications panel is absolutely useless in ubuntu 18.04 :/
[11:00] <Pricey> totalnoob: https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+archive/ubuntu/ppa only shows versions built up to 17.04 - you're likely running a newer version?
[11:00] <totalnoob> yeah 20.04
[11:01] <luc4> tarzeau: oh… that is bad… it is a pretty widespread backup tool. More then 6K stars in gitub…
[11:03] <EriC^^> bodom: is it a uefi install or legacy?
[11:04] <bodom> EriC^^: looks like its legay. Also, it looks like the problem is grub-mkconfig reading from /usr/local/etc/grub.d instead of /etc/grub.d
[11:05] <jdaviescoates> ledeni thanks, here is the output of  journalctl -b-1 > prevboot.txt
[11:05] <jdaviescoates>   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJYcpsZqvN/ - temperature doesn't seen to be mentioned
[11:05] <frad> h
[11:05] <frad> i
[11:06] <frad> I upgraded yesterday to 20.04 64 bits. My Network Manager was WICD, but yesterday I was prompted to uninstall it. Thinking that a new Version would be installed, I accepted. Now I am writteing from another Computer and mz Notebook doesnät have any wlan Client, neither WICD nor the Default networkmanager
[11:06] <jdaviescoates> ledeni quite a few mentions of "thermal" though, including what look like some warnings, so perhaps it was that
[11:06] <frad> I have downloaded the targ for Network Manager. Upon installing I get 'intltool is too old, I Need intltool 0.40. or later. So I download the newest intltool I find (0.51.0), and I proceed to ./install it to get: './install.sh: no Input file specified'
[11:06] <tarzeau> luc4: i'm aware what it is :)
[11:07] <jdaviescoates> I'm probably long overdue so new thermal grease...
[11:07] <frad> where do I Need to install intltool 0.51.0?
[11:08] <EriC^^> !info intltool
[11:08] <EriC^^> frad: it seems that 0.51.0 is in the official repos for 20.04
[11:08] <younder> jdaviescoates, dmesg gives messages if the CPU throttles back (lowers clock-frequency) because of a heat event. I use a utility called lm-sensors to monitor temperature.
[11:09] <frad> EriC^^I upgraded yesterday
[11:09] <frad> EriC^^then I donät understand: I only have 0.35.0
[11:11] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: that log is for the boot where you did sysrq s + u + b
[11:12] <EriC^^> frad: try 'apt-cache policy intltool'
[11:13] <frad> EriC^^ installed: None, candidate 0.51.0
[11:14] <EriC^^> frad: try sudo apt-get install intltool
[11:14] <frad> but the Thing is, that Notebook does not have a working Connection, neither it works with a lan cable. Ia m now writting from another computer
[11:15] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ ah I wondered if it would go back far enough. It there a way to go back further than last boot? I had to do did sysrq s + u + b a couple of times
[11:15] <EriC^^> frad: try 'apt-cache show intltool | grep -i filename'
[11:15] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: i think -b-2 is the previous boot etc
[11:16] <frad> also intltool_0.51.0-ubuntu_all.deb
[11:16] <frad> EriC^^
[11:16] <jdaviescoates> younder thanks, any way to see if that happened in the past? not sure if I've got that utility installed
[11:17] <EriC^^> frad: ok, download the deb from http://archive.ubuntu.com using the filename and transfer it to the pc and run sudo dpkg -i /path/to/intltool...deb
[11:17] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ thanks. Although I guess what I really want is what happened before the boot after it powered down by itself
[11:18] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: the one where it might have overheated? it might be listed
[11:19] <younder> jdaviescoates, Well you have the dmesg log. So go through that to see if you have had any problems in the past.
[11:19] <frad> EriC^^, so, download intltool 0.51.0 from that linl you posted... doing it
[11:19] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: "journalctl --list-boots" should show the boots it recorded
[11:20] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ yes I think perhaps it overheated and then shut down. The overheating (if that was it) didn't happen during boot though
[11:20] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: yeah i think the log shows the whole boot, also while running, til shutdown
[11:20] <frad> EriC^^ I am sorry but that database is huge, I simply donät know where to start searching
[11:21] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: if you want, you could try to grep for "grep -iE "thermal.*event|watchdog" /var/log/syslog" and see what happens, i think thats what it says when it detects overheating
[11:22] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ ah, OK, right so I want the log before the boot just after it shut down... I'll try that... thanks
[11:24] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ looks like perhaps it was that: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tcwBr4tjTW/
[11:24] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: try "grep -iE "thermal.*event|watchdog" /var/log/syslog{,.1}" and zgrep -iE "thermal.*event|watchdog" /var/log/syslog*gz if you want to go further back
[11:25] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: nah i think that's just a status update
[11:25] <jdaviescoates> oh
[11:25] <ledeni>  jdaviescoates: install lm-sensors and watch temperature with 'watch -n 1 sensors'
[11:26] <EriC^^> frad: it's the filename in apt-cache show intltool | grep -i Filename
[11:26] <EriC^^> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu + what it gave back
[11:27] <frad> sorry, EriC^^ Im a complete moron
[11:28] <EriC^^> frad: type "apt-cache show intltool | grep -i filename" and paste the output here
[11:29] <EriC^^> frad: sorry i misread the last line you typed
[11:29] <frad> EriC^^ wait, I managed: I saved intltool_0.51.0-5ubuntu1_all.deb into the stick...
[11:31] <EriC^^> frad: ok, once it's on the pc run "sudo dpkg -i inttool_....deb" it should install it
[11:31] <jdaviescoates>  EriC^^ ledeni younder yep, looks like it was temperature:
[11:31] <jdaviescoates> May 15 11:39:19 josef-ThinkPad-T510 kernel: thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached (103 C), shutting down
[11:32]  * jdaviescoates had better get some new thermal grease...
[11:32] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: if you absolutely need the pc, i like psensor for temperature monitoring, it's a nice gui app that sits in the tray, you can set it to whatever temp to alert you etc
[11:32] <frad> So now I execute: sudo dpkg -i intltool_0.51.0-5ubuntu1_all.deb EriC^^?
[11:32] <EriC^^> i mean til you change the thermal paste or something
[11:33] <EriC^^> frad: yeah
[11:33] <ledeni> EriC^^:jdaviescoates have laptop
[11:34] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ I do need it, it's my primary/ only machine (aside from an old Samsung NC10 netbook I've got lubuntu on which is sooo slow, and an old Windows machine my tax return software needs to run), I'll try out psensor and look at getting some new thermal grease ASAP (might actually have some somewhere - anyone know if it goes off?)
[11:34] <jdaviescoates> ledeni ?
[11:36] <ledeni>  jdaviescoates:just ignore mistake
[11:36] <frad> EriC^^not done so far: I now Need a nss package, damit...
[11:36] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: it seems on laptop's it's a bit more difficult to change but i think it's possible, i'd recommend to first maybe make sure nothing is using up the cpu extensively, and maybe clean the fans using some compressed air, make sure the openings are good, etc, also are you running any settings that might affect fan control such as noacpi or something to do with acpi?
[11:37] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: nevermind from the log you pasted there's no acpi kernel parameters being used
[11:38] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: but i'd keep a look at "top" to see nothings using up the cpu, and maybe give the fans/vent a good cleaning and see what happens first
[11:39] <EriC^^> see if the fan is turning on right and stuff as well
[11:39] <EriC^^> frad: which package? you mean intltool required is as a dependency?
[11:40] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ thanks, thankfully Lenovo ThindPads generally pretty easy to service.  Think I may have even done the thermal grease myself before on this machine. Was like using a new machine. I did have a CPU warning whilst on a zoom call not long before, so I used OneTab to close tabs on Firefox. Don't think I had anything else open.
[11:41] <EriC^^> frad: it's kind of cumbersome but you could keep following it using 'apt-cache show <package>' and see the Depends line for its dependencies, and also the filename etc and download them all and transfer and "dpkg -i *.deb"
[11:42] <EriC^^> jdaviescoates: won't hurt to try 'top' sometimes i get weird kernel threads using up a lot of cpu and stuff like that, who knows
[11:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:43] <jdaviescoates> EriC^^ yeah perhaps something was going on in the background, I'll try 'top' if/ when I get another one of those CPU warnings whilst on a Zoom call again
[11:44] <jdaviescoates> also seems thermal paste can go bad so probably best I just get some more (or get local repair shop to do it) rather than digging out old syringe I've still got somewhere...
[11:44] <frad> I executed: sudo dpkg -i intltool_0.51.0-5ubuntu1_all.deb, also tried to install networkmanager with ./configure && make && make install and I got the message: No package nss found, no usable nss found for --with-crypto=nss
[11:45] <EriC^^> frad: try to use the repo networkmanager deb, it's easier and cleaner
[11:46] <EriC^^> frad: maybe you could manually set up the wire without networkmanager somehow then let it install the stuff you need, maybe it's easier that way
[11:47] <frad> EriC^^ where I am I am not allowed to connect a lan cable to my notebook
[11:47] <EriC^^> frad: see here in case its helpful https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/253030/how-to-setup-network-without-wicd-or-networkmanager
[11:47] <EriC^^> frad: wifi perhaps?
[11:51] <captainfantastic> Hey guys. My ubuntu laptop having read-only erroro on every directory I tried to open after I logged in from suspend. I tried restarting but now it won't even boot. How do i rescue the system?
[11:52] <EriC^^> captainfantastic: try to boot into recovery mode from grub, and run 'fsck' to see if the filesystem is good
[11:54] <frad> I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nuke my Notebook. I have downloaded xubuntu 20.04 in a usb stick as an .iso file. How do I install it, after making a security copy?
[11:55] <yotam11> hello, for some reason i cant connect to my acces point via wi fi, somebody know this problem? and i can connect to other wi fi network
[11:55] <frad> ok, got it
[11:56] <captainfantastic> EriC^^: grub is not showing up :(
[11:59] <EriC^^> captainfantastic: oh, do you have a live usb you can boot?
[11:59] <frad> thanks EriC^^, but I'm afraid I'll nuke. The Level of Expertise needed to solve this is so cumbersome
[12:01] <EriC^^> frad: no problem, alright
[12:02] <captainfantastic> EriC^^: Yeah I have a live usb. Should I chroot into the current ubuntu partition and run fsck command you mentioned?
[12:02] <narakrish> Hello all, i'm trying to package my application developed using Qt as .deb. I would like to understand how to include the dependencies in the same file or is it possible to install these dependencies during installation of the debian file ?
[12:04] <HypothesisFrog> hi. I moved my ubuntu ssd to a new, secondhand box, and now I've lost the Grub menu. How can I restore it?
[12:04] <HypothesisFrog> and why is it gone?
[12:05] <legreffier> HypothesisFrog: what do you get instead ?
[12:05] <legreffier> is there other drives in the new box ?
[12:06] <HypothesisFrog> legreffier, nothing really. It just reboots into ubuntu.
[12:06] <HypothesisFrog> legreffier, there is a second hard drive, I use for storage.
[12:06] <legreffier> so your system actually boot ?
[12:07] <HypothesisFrog> legreffier, yes. But I want grub back.
[12:07] <EriC^^> captainfantastic: yeah i dont think you need to chroot, try sudo fsck /dev/sdxY on the root filesystem and any other main ones you have
[12:08] <legreffier> HypothesisFrog: did you ever touch its configuration ?
[12:08] <captainfantastic> EriC^^: Thank you very much. I'll try that :)
[12:08] <EriC^^> captainfantastic: no problem, alright :)
[12:09] <EriC^^> HypothesisFrog: can you pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/default/grub' ?
[12:09] <HypothesisFrog> legreffier, what do you mean by its "configuration"? I moved the ssd and the hard drive to the new box. Added a bit of ram. The new box has a better in built in vid card, so I left the Nvidia Quadro in the old box.
[12:09] <yotam11> someone is using ubuntu on asus zenbook? i have 2 issues, with the built in screen and with the wifi. cant display anything on the built in screen, only via hdmi to other screen
[12:10] <HypothesisFrog> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/uKgU6y9t
[12:10] <HypothesisFrog> sure
[12:11] <EriC^^> HypothesisFrog: type "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" and edit GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden to GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu then save and exit and run "sudo update-grub"
[12:13] <HypothesisFrog> EriC^^, done. Try it now?
[12:14] <legreffier> give it a try yeah
[12:14] <legreffier> what is the new video card ?
[12:14] <legreffier> maybe it's here, but it just fails to display
[12:14] <HypothesisFrog> EriC^^ and legreffier that works. Thanks.
[12:15] <Tr1nk> hello
[12:15] <Tr1nk> i just install lubuntu alternate CD
[12:15] <HypothesisFrog> legreffier: it's actually an old video card. It's the one that's built into the i5-2400
[12:15] <Tr1nk> i wonder how i can use a tape player DDS HP DAT 24 ?
[12:16] <legreffier> it should work
[12:18] <EriC^^> HypothesisFrog: great, no problem
[12:19] <HypothesisFrog> Ok now I'm doing a memtest via grub, and it seems to have stalled on 59%, pass 0. Pressing ESC doesn't do anything. Is that normal?
[12:24] <ocean> legreffier: wow, that's ancient... and cool :) You know if ubuntu already recognizes the scsi device?
[12:24] <Ridley5> hi all
[12:25] <Ridley5> my hosts file located in  /etc/hosts dont affect my browser
[12:26] <Ridley5> i have added the line : 0.0.0.0 facebook.com
[12:26] <Ridley5> but facebook  are still working in my browser, i have deleted the browser cache
[12:26] <Ridley5> i have Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[12:27] <Ridley5> anyone have an idea
[12:27] <SudoBash> Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this netplan config for setting bond0 up? I believe it is this line: "name: enp2s4,enp3s5" because enp* works, but sets all interfaces to bond slaves: https://pastebin.com/TCYRv16w
[12:32] <SudoBash> Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this netplan config for setting bond0 up? I believe it is this line: "name: enp2s4,enp3s5" because enp* works, but sets all interfaces to bond slaves: https://pastebin.com/TCYRv16w
[12:36] <Tr1nk> ocean : yes the adaptec is recognized and also the tape driver ;)
[12:36] <Tr1nk> drive
[12:39] <Tr1nk> ocean : what do you think ?
[12:40] <Tr1nk> ocean : ah ok sorry i thought you were talking to me
[12:40] <ocean> Tr1nk: yes, I was, sorry for the mixup
[12:41] <ocean> Tr1nk: wel you should be able to use the device using "mt" commands, like mt -f <devicename> rewind
[12:42] <SudoBash> I got it... netplan sucks
[12:43] <SudoBash> whoever decided to switch over to this... it is reminiscent of the Unity shit... If it works, stop breaking it
[12:43] <SudoBash> when is Ubuntu going to learn to stop changing stuff that works really well?
[12:45] <SudoBash> this: https://pastebin.com/H0HNU5U0 is WAY too much to get network interfaces working!
[12:46] <narakrish> Hello all, I'm running a shell script on Ubuntu 16.04 to check if the dependencies of my application are available on the system. If the dependencies are not available, I'm downloading and installing through apt. The problem i face is that, sometimes if the installation is abruptly closed, the apt gets locked. How can I make sure that apt is never
[12:46] <narakrish> locked and I can proceed with installation ?
[12:49] <Tr1nk> it does working but the wonder now is how to activate the compression
[12:52] <ocean> Tr1nk: nice. You can use mt status to determine if compression is turned on for the device
[12:56] <ocean> Tr1nk: there's also a more... advanced linux mt command "mt-st" (in universe repo). Comes with an stinit.def where you can configure (compression and other) specs for your device
[12:57] <EriC^^> narakrish: maybe you can write something in the start of your script to check if apt/dpkg is doing something, if not and a lockfile exists and its safe to remove it, remove it then start your apt installation needs
[12:57] <Tr1nk> ocean : ok thx a lot
[13:12] <chuuna> Hi, I'm tring to install zgrab2 from: https://github.com/zmap/zgrab2 on ubuntu 18.04 but it seem to fail. here is the error log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fxtxCQCq5C/ anyone know what I've messed up?
[13:40] <MikeRL> Well, sadly the BT problems returned and I'm uncertain what's causing them or how to fix them. I think I got it to connect once.
[13:40] <MikeRL> It can connect, at least the GUI shows it, but it fails to play back sound period or show under audio devices for output.
[13:40] <raddy> Hello
[13:41] <raddy> I have a crontab entry to which I am getting bad username.
[13:42] <MikeRL> Running 20.04. sudo lsusb |grep Bluetooth returns "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0a5c:21e8 Broadcom Corp. BCM20702A0 Bluetooth 4.0"
[13:42] <raddy> 0 */2 * * * *   root    su postgres -c "psql -U postgres hits -a -f /opt/postgresql/killidleconnections.sql"
[13:42] <raddy> running the command manually works fine.
[13:43] <raddy> my crontab entry is correct still I am getting that error
[13:44] <leftyfb> raddy: create a systemd unit/timer that runs as the postgres user
[13:44] <wedr> I added a new "ln --symbolic ./foo foo" in my /usr/local/bin/ directory. But now the created symbolic link isn't showing up in my terminal. What is the best way to reload this directory, so the terminal knows the new symbolic link?
[13:44] <leftyfb> raddy: or setup that crontab in the postgres users crontab, not root.
[13:45] <wedr> On default Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS installation
[13:45] <MikeRL> On some research it appears I need additional firmware. https://jphein.com/fix-for-pluggable-bluetooth-dongle-in-ubuntu-linux-17-10-bluetooth-headsets-not-working/
[13:45] <leftyfb> wedr: exit/cd out of the directory and then go back in
[13:46] <wedr> leftyfb, No, what I meant to ask was, how do I get the symbolic link to be "seen" by the terminal, when invoking "which foo"?
[13:46] <leftyfb> wedr: add /usr/local/bin to your $PATH
[13:46] <wedr> oh
[13:49] <wedr> leftyfb, added to the $PATH, used "source" to refresh or reload the $PATH variable, but that didn't do much help. "which foo" didn't show my symbolic link.  I guess I have to restart...
[13:50] <wedr> which I won't do until the end of the day.
[13:50] <leftyfb> wedr: echo $PATH
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> wedr: when are you going to update your system to 18.04.4? every question you come asking here is on outdated system
[13:50] <leftyfb> wedr: does /usr/local/bin show up in the result?
[13:50] <wedr> Late July 2020, this is a work laptop
[13:50] <wedr> wait
[13:50] <wedr> 18.04.4?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | wedr
[13:51] <wedr> I know
[13:51] <wedr> I didn't realize there's still patches
[13:53] <JediMaster> Hey guys, can anyone suggest an alternative (or stack) to Papertrail for self-hosted log monitoring across a fairly large number of Ubuntu instances? I have briefly looked at ELK, wanted to know what people use.
[13:54] <wedr> leftyfb, https://hatebin.com/fvpbmqgcjt    Apparently, I have /usr/local/bin in there twice.
[13:54] <leftyfb> wedr: ok, then you're doing something wrong
[13:54] <leftyfb> wedr: ls -l /usr/local/bin/
[13:54] <raddy> leftyfb: 0 */2 * * * *  postgres psql -U postgres hits -a -f /opt/postgresql/killidleconnections.sql still shows error
[13:54] <raddy> same error
[13:55] <wedr> leftyfb, Here you go:  https://hatebin.com/yqvlsbnowr
[13:56] <wedr> oh, sorry, didn't realize you're also troubleshooting someone else's.
[13:56] <raddy> error was in time specication
[13:56] <leftyfb> wedr: ls -l /home/nintendo/Apps/eclipse/jee-2020-06/eclipse
[13:57] <wedr> leftyfb, https://hatebin.com/igschbvjce Here you go
[13:57] <leftyfb> wedr: /home/nintendo/Apps/eclipse/jee-2020-06/eclipse is a directory
[13:57] <leftyfb> wedr: /usr/local/bin is meant for binaries
[13:57] <wedr> oh wait...
[13:58] <wedr> you're right. forgot a second eclipse in there
[13:58] <wedr> thanks
[13:58] <raddy> exit
[14:00] <MikeRL> Well the additional driver didn't fix anything.
[14:01] <MikeRL> As for a background, now at this point I'm fed up with this Broadcom Bluetooth USB adapter. And if anyone knows of any good, relatively modern USB adapters that don't hate Linux, let me know.
[14:02] <MikeRL> I've tried manually adding drivers, the command line, all sorts of tricks. It will see the device but pairing never works. Earbuds don't appear as an additional audio output device in settings. Not good. Just looking for a recommended replacement.
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> MikeRL: ubuntu version? kernel version? gnomes BT or blueman?
[14:05] <MikeRL> Sorry. Ubuntu 20.04. Kernel is 5.6.13. I've tried Gnome BT and Blueman.
[14:05] <jnlar> I'm having trouble with my .profile not executing a xbksetmap command on ubuntu 20.04
[14:05] <MikeRL> I honestly think the driver doesn't like Linux, period.
[14:05] <jnlar> anyone else having this issue? e.g setxkbmap -option caps:swapescape
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> MikeRL: did it not work on 5.4 kernel?
[14:06] <MikeRL> I can check the 5.4 kernel.
[14:06] <MikeRL> Will reboot and be right back.
[14:10] <olspookishmagus> hello is there a CLI command that will proceed to SHUTDOWN/RESTART a "live system" without having to wait for confirmation about removing the "live media"?
[14:12] <MikeRL> Still doesn't work on 5.4 kernel.
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> MikeRL: ok, can we see a pastebin of your dmesg plz?
[14:12] <MikeRL> lotuspsychje, What command? I tried a dmesg command and it was blank for bt.
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> dmesg
[14:13] <MikeRL> Oh ok.
[14:13] <olspookishmagus> sudo dmesg ?
[14:13] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YJyvBm83kD/
[14:14] <MikeRL> A lot looks like it's firewall related.
[14:14] <Sven_vB> actually I can't find any entry that's not ufw audit.
[14:15] <MikeRL> Same here.
[14:15] <olspookishmagus> also I would appreciate some help or instructions/documentation on this procedure I have to undertake: I wish to install Ubuntu+Win10 on a system with UEFI boot. Something detailed and in steps would be ideal.
[14:15] <Sven_vB> for debugging BT, I'd temporarily decrease the ufw log level.
[14:17] <bieb> I am going to be adding 2 hard drives to an ubuntu 18.04 server for data storage. Can I add them both into the same mount point, basically doubling the size of the data store? ie, 2 - 2tb hard drives, mount point /mydata
[14:19] <akem> You can mount 2 drives on the same mount point afaik.
[14:19] <akem> cannot*
[14:19] <MikeRL> I disabled it/
[14:20] <MikeRL> The logging.
[14:20] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, I have recently converted a Win10 notebook to dual boot. my approach was to start with a computer that had win10 installed. I then disabled the windows encryption because it seemed a requied pre-step to shrink drives. I then shrunk the windows partition to make about 80 GB space for Ubuntu. I created (using windows) in that space 2x 512 MB FAT drives (not required but I like to have those for stuff like temporary ESP or
[14:20] <Sven_vB> boot partition), and one large NTFS that I would later format to LVM. I copied the xubuntu live ISO to C:/boot-isos/ , then bootet the SuperGrub Disk, and from that, chain-booted the ISO from disk.
[14:20] <akem> bieb, You probably want something like /mydata/drive1 /mydata/drive2
[14:20] <bieb> akem: so the only way would be as RAID? or would LVM work?
[14:21] <akem> bieb, You need 3 drives at least for RAID 5 IIRC, you could only do RAID 1 with 2 drives, mirroring.
[14:22] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cYy7tmJxc6/
[14:22] <bieb> akem: ok.. thanks
[14:22] <MikeRL> I trimmed it. Still had a lot of firewall logs even with logging off.
[14:22] <akem> bieb, Don't know about LVM.
[14:22] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, I like to boot the live ISO from disk or SSD mainly because it works a lot faster than from USB thumbdrives.
[14:22] <bieb> akem: me either on lvm
[14:23] <kur1j> how can I track down whats using my disk space? df -h shows /dev/sda2                             439G  416G     0 100% /. But if I run sudo du -h / --max-depth=1 the / directory only shows 119GB used
[14:23] <MikeRL> I'm thinking of buying an aptx audio adapter instead. Someone recommended the Creative W2. Yes they use the latest Ubuntu version, and since I mostly only use audio, it shouldn't hurt.
[14:24] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, modern Ubuntus automatically detect windows installs and include them in the GRUB menu. you might need to make that GRUB menu more visible though. I don't care because I manage GRUB myself, manually.
[14:26] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, about really quick but unclean shutdown: sudo poweroff --force
[14:26] <olspookishmagus> Sven_vB: is is still necessary to disable UEFI?
[14:27] <olspookishmagus> Sven_vB: all you care for being "unclean" is in case you have something mounted "rw" right?
[14:27] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, booting in UEFI mode makes stuff much easier with Ubuntu nowadays.
[14:27] <olspookishmagus> Sven_vB: yeah, I have this goodie http://iodd.kr/wordpress/product/iodd-2541/ with a FAST ssd inside
[14:28] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, in my case, due to the flaky EFI firmware on that computer, it was even required that I enable UEFI and secure boot, and select GRUB as an acceptable secure boot target.
[14:28] <olspookishmagus> Sven_vB: so the guides who say that I should have it disabled, are outdated?
[14:29] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, yes. in my case, following those guides would have prevented me from booting GRUB.
[14:30] <olspookishmagus> so are there any up-to-date guides? ^^
[14:30] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, if your Windows boots in UEFI mode, UEFI obviously works, and then grub-efi should work as well.
[14:31] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, for me the steps I described seemd so straight-forward, I wouldn't see a need for a guide.
[14:31] <Sven_vB> I'd say just try, and if you get stuck, ask here. :)
[14:33] <Sven_vB> if you need exact where-to-click guides for stuff like resizing windows disks, your search engine probably has those.
[14:57] <bitblit> matti: think I found a better solution using intel_powerclamp. it's exposed at /sys/class/thermal/cooling_device9/cur_state. echo 50 > cur_state keeps me around 60C.
[15:02] <fred1807> What command gives me this  nice output I get every time I log into my ubuntu ec2 machine?
[15:02] <fred1807> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/en0evEeN/
[15:03] <gildarts> fred1807: Check /etc/motd or similar.
[15:03] <fred1807> '/etc/motd': No such file or directory
[15:03] <fred1807> what would be a similar?
[15:03] <gildarts> Let me check my machine...
[15:04] <matti> bitblit: Nice.
[15:04] <matti> bitblit: I still wonder why you, in particular, have so much issues.
[15:04] <olspookishmagus> Sven_vB: I think I'll go for each OS to be on it's own HDD
[15:05] <gildarts> fred1807: They are in /etc/update-motd.d
[15:06] <gildarts> There is a process that turns those files into the motd message that you see.
[15:06] <Sven_vB> olspookishmagus, that's ok as well.
[15:10] <bitblit> matti: it seems I'm staying in turbo speed states too long, and intel's 95C limit is ridiculous. trying to change that under /sys doesn't seem to be allowed..
[15:11] <fred1807> thx
[15:16] <kenperkins> ok, as much as I love ubuntu
[15:16] <kenperkins> I'm so frustrated at sound devices coming and going seemingly at random
[15:16] <kenperkins> there must be a way to debug why a device has disappeared
[15:21] <bitblit> kenperkins: maybe sudo journalctl --system -f, or journalctl --u pulseaudio
[15:25] <bitblit> kenperkins: also man pulse-client.conf, might be able to enable logging there.
[15:26] <kenperkins> yea first observation was no logs in journalctl
[15:26] <Mutabah> I'm having issues loading unity after an upgrade to 20.04. Selecting "Ubuntu" as the shell gives me a semi-functional GUI (no alt-tab, but at least it has a window manager etc), but "Unity" leads to just a background
[15:26] <bitblit> i didn't realize it wasn't a system service. looks like it runs per user. config in ~/.config/pulse/
[15:28] <kenperkins> bitblit: it's wierd, I swear every time I open gnome settings->sound there's different options
[15:31] <Mutabah> Has anyone seen other reports of Unity breaking after the 20.04 upgrade?
[15:35] <Tr1nk> ocean : works but very slow
[15:36] <Tr1nk> :|
[15:36] <Tr1nk> all night long...
[15:38] <rangergord> I'd like to set a permanent system-wide environment variable. I googled and the clean way (per freedesktop.org) is to place a "myenvvars.sh" with "export PATH=/opt/testsdk/bin:$PATH" in /etc/environment.d. However it doesn't seem like Ubuntu supports this (trying 18.04). I know about /etc/profile and /etc/environment but that doesn't seem as clean as having separate files defining separate for separate purposes, the way
[15:38] <rangergord> /etc/apt/sources.list.d does.
[15:38] <rangergord> why doesnt Ubuntu support environment.d?
[15:41] <tatertots> there is already an existing way to "set" permanent environment variables
[15:41] <tatertots> a search engine would quickly guide you to doing so
[15:48] <kenperkins> .bashrc?
[15:49] <oerheks1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#System-wide_environment_variables
[15:49] <oerheks1> easy to find
[15:50] <Dyrcona> Upgrading a server remotely from 18.04 to 20.04, I get this message during the update-initramfs step: modinfo: ERROR: could not get modinfo from 'crc32': No such file or directory
[15:52] <Dyrcona> The upgrade now appears to be stuck.
[16:08] <jfcaron> #ubuntu-mate
[16:08] <jfcaron> oops
[16:11] <thehumanelement> greets
[16:11] <thehumanelement> anyone know if this is a thing? Searching the Web is not coming up with the goods
[16:12] <thehumanelement> am wondering if I can enable SSH server on a USB so I can boot it headless?
[16:12] <thehumanelement> either desktop or server Ubuntu, doesn't matter
[16:14] <kenperkins> ok, so I found errors in dmesg: how do I track down _why_ this happened
[16:15] <kenperkins> basically at the same time: the usb disconnected my headphone device, then reconnected it on a new device number ~0.9s later, but the new devices don't appear in my pulseaudio config
[16:18] <Dyrcona> Well, my upgrade appears to have worked after a reboot.
[16:20] <thehumanelement> huzzah!
[16:21] <fromBeyond> Hi. When trying to update via apt-get, I am getting the error E: The repository 'http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-backports Release' no longer has a Release file.  Is this because I am running Ubuntu 19, and it is not LTE? Or is there some other reason. Thank you
[16:24] <BluesKaj> fromBeyond, ubuntu 19 what? , if it's 19.04 then it's EOL
[16:24] <BluesKaj> !EOL
[16:24] <fromBeyond> BluesKaj: thank you. Hence my best course of action is updateing to 20?
[16:24] <jfcaron> I removed snap, snapd, and /snap from my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS installation, but /snap/bin still shows up in my PATH (at the end).  It's not set in my .bashrc or .profile.  Where is /snap/bin being added to my PATH?
[16:24] <thehumanelement> disco==19.04
[16:24] <BluesKaj> fromBeyond, yes
[16:25] <BluesKaj> 20.04
[16:25] <fromBeyond> BluesKaj: will do that now. Thank you very much for your help
[16:25] <BluesKaj> np
[16:37] <jfcaron> It looks like something called "ubuntu-advantage? from /usr/bin is appending /snap/bin to my PATH?
[16:38] <oerheks1> removing snaps? you might as well hop distro..
[16:39] <jfcaron> I already removed snaps, but I'm shaving a yak cuz /snap/bin is still in PATH for some reason.
[16:43] <zutat> does 20.04 not have deb equivalents of snapped applications?
[16:44] <oerheks1> zutat, for some, yes
[16:45] <oerheks1> gnome-calculator as example
[16:45] <oerheks1> !info gnome-calculator
[16:52] <JakeSays> i'm finding 20.04 to be messed up. i regret upgrading
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | JakeSays
[16:52] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: so this isn't the place to discus ubuntu issues?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: no, come join #ubuntu-discuss wand we can talk about it
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> *and
[16:54] <oerheks1> nothing we can do about 'regret' ..
[17:04] <thehumanelement> I think Ubuntu for Raspberry Pi (the preinstalled image) does this, but anyone know if one can configure the standard (now "live") server installation USB with automatic configuration settings, e.g. UN+PW+installSSH
[17:08] <thehumanelement> (or could someone push me in the right direction, i.e. what should I search for?!)
[17:10] <waveform> thehumanelement, sounds like you want (one of) the cloud images: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/
[17:10] <JakeSays> ok my specific issue is this: three padding bytes in termios are being returned with garbage in 20.04, and they were zero'd in 19.10. does anyone have a clue about this?
[17:10] <waveform> (that's basically what the pi image is - a cloud image customized for the pi)
[17:11] <JakeSays> er, this involves the tcgetattr call
[17:11] <fellowcultist> having an issue with gnutls and pkg-config, can I seek help here?
[17:14] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, you can select the seed to be used via kernel command line, I think it's called OEM install.
[17:14] <thehumanelement> sweet, thanks @waveform @Sven_vB
[17:15] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, for targets with very limited disk space, I'd multistrap Ubuntu instead, and only install what's necessary.
[17:15]  * Sven_vB actually does this everywhere because it's faster.
[17:15] <thehumanelement> no limits as such, I just don't have a VGA monitor cable/monitor spare! Need to go in to an old HP MicroServer with just power+Gigabit+USBdrive
[17:16] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, doesn't your Pi expose a serial link over USB?
[17:17] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, if the disk is removeable, it might even be easier to transplant it, install, and transplant it back.
[17:19] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, you could also prepare a live USB with casper-rw partition, install VNC there, and install graphically via VNC.
[17:32] <thehumanelement> this is not a pi, it's a HP MicroServer (miniITX-ish cheapo server with an AMD64 chip)
[17:33] <thehumanelement> Pi preinstalled Ubuntu image works great, can SSH in as root/root on first boot, no installation required
[17:33] <RadSurfer> has anyone had problem launching Spyder3 Python 3.7 IDE lately? It refuses to run here all of a sudden Ub 19.10
[17:33] <thehumanelement> I just want to tweak a USB-stick with Ubuntu Server on it so I can SSH in and install over SSH, or it does the complete install, not bothered
[17:34] <waveform> thehumanelement, ah - the cloud images I pointed to earlier won't do an install; they're a "pre-installed" image (like the pi one) so if you stick it on a USB stick, it'll try and run your server from that USB stick :)
[17:35] <Sven_vB> thehumanelement, installing over SSH should work nicely with multistrap.
[17:36]  * Sven_vB goes read about the cloud image.
[17:39] <waveform> they're basically pre-installed server images intended for cloud use (obviously), but there are images that can run happily "on the metal". dd 'em to some storage, boot it, and (just like the pi images, which are based on the same seed), they'll expand on first boot, run thru cloud-init, etc. etc.
[17:39] <waveform> That said, it may not be ideal for this case as they do expect to be copied onto the final storage medium; i.e. it's not going to install itself from a USB stick onto a hard-drive
[17:41] <Sven_vB> still sounds good for "install over SSH"
[17:42] <waveform> yeah, boot off a USB, dd the image over SSH onto the server's internal drive - certainly an option
[17:43] <Sven_vB> do they have some mechanism for customization (e.g. passwords, SSH authorized keys, ???) even easier than chrooting in after the raw copy?
[17:43] <SynfulAck> Anyone familiar with lvm and know why I cant create a cache? says something about cache single fast not found.? https://pastebin.com/x6Z8ZUYD
[17:43] <waveform> Sven_vB, cloud-init (https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ plus a brief post I wrote about using this on the pi: https://waldorf.waveform.org.uk/2020/securing-your-ubuntu-pi.html)
[17:44] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[17:45] <JakeSays> after upgrading to 20.04 i'm having issues with my network. it has something to do with the names eth0 and eno1. any ideas?
[17:47] <RadSurfer> CAN someone help with this please :: http://dpaste.com/2NS4YCQ
[17:48] <waveform> SynfulAck, I no expert on the caching options in LV, but I've just grepped the man-page and can't find a --cachevol option; there is a --cachepool option that takes an LV though?
[17:48] <waveform> in *LVM even
[17:49] <SynfulAck> waveform, wb this http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/lvmcache.7.html `lvconvert --type cache --cachevol fast vg/main`
[17:50] <RadSurfer> wrong version of PyQt5.* is now installed, how do I return back to proper version?
[17:51] <waveform> SynfulAck, if I look at "man 7 lvmcache" on my bionic server I don't see any mention of --cachevol in there - I'd check that same manual page on your server as that'll be for the version of LVM that you've got installed
[17:55] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, are you using NetworkManager and/or systemd-networkd? (if so, which?)
[17:57] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: it appears both
[17:58] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, make sure each interface is managed only by one of them
[17:59] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: i seem to recall adding networkmanager last time this happened in an attempt to fix it. can i uninstall it w/o causing issues?
[18:00] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, I can't tell remotely whether it might causs issues. always make sure you have some backup access route if you change network-related software. (e.g. via nullmodem or chroot)
[18:00] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: my backup route is wifi. it's only ethernet that's failing
[18:01] <Sven_vB> or local terminal of course
[18:01] <Sven_vB> is your wifi managed by NM?
[18:01] <JakeSays> this started failing immediately after the upgrade to 20.04
[18:01] <JakeSays> how do i tell?
[18:01] <Sven_vB> nmcli conn
[18:01] <Sven_vB> also nmcli dev
[18:02] <JakeSays> it's green so i assume it is
[18:02] <Sven_vB> then it should, in theory, be safe to uninstall NetworkManager.
[18:02] <Sven_vB> err no
[18:02] <Sven_vB> networkd
[18:02] <fromBeyond> Hi. I am trying to update my distro, but I keep getting an error Err:1 http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-updates/main amd64 base-files amd64 10.1ubuntu9.2
[18:02] <fromBeyond>   404  Not Found [IP: 193.2.1.88 80]
[18:02] <Sven_vB> :D
[18:02] <fromBeyond> I am currently on 19.04
[18:03] <Woet> fromBeyond: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-04-end-of-life/
[18:03] <JakeSays> i was able to recover from this once via doing something with udevadm.. cant remember what i did though
[18:03] <Woet> fromBeyond: your system has been insecure for 4 months now
[18:03] <Woet> fromBeyond: upgrade to 19.10, or, preferably, 20.04.
[18:04] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, yeah once it's only one network system to debug, we can start with the actual debugging.
[18:04] <fromBeyond> Woet: I am trying. But when I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I get the error I posted above
[18:04] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: ok. removing netman now
[18:04] <fromBeyond> Woet: i will read the link now
[18:04] <Woet> fromBeyond: you don't have do-release-upgrade?
[18:05] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, err, hopefully networkd, my first message was wrong.
[18:05] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: what do you mean?
[18:05] <Woet> fromBeyond: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[18:06] <Tuna-Fish> Hi, is there a way to mount a disk read-only and disregard file permissions on the disk, granting read rights to all files for some user without modifying the underlying filesystem?
[18:06] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, I was still thinking of NetworkManager from the nmcli tests, but obviously the "safe to uninstall" thought was meant to mean the *other* network system, so in this case networkd.
[18:06] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, nmcli is part of NM
[18:07] <JakeSays> lol too late. just uninstalled netman
[18:07] <merpnderp> Is there a way to automatically install security updates in Ubuntu 18?
[18:07] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, then you could try and get wifi to work with networkd, or reinstall NM.
[18:07] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: wifi is still working
[18:08] <merpnderp> unattended-upgrades
[18:08] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, yes it will probably continue for as long as your wifi authentification remains valid.
[18:08] <RadSurfer> is someone going to tell me HOW to install "PyQt5" to the CURRENT version please (wrong version was accidentally installed)
[18:08] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: i'm positive i installed netman, and wifi was working before that
[18:09] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, ok then we could try and fix networkd cable connection.
[18:09] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: sounds like a plan
[18:10] <fromBeyond> Woet: I dont have apptitude installed, so I cannot follow the link
[18:10] <JakeSays> when this first started happening i was getting this in dmesg: "eth0: Failed to rename network interface 2 from 'eth0' to 'eno1': File exists"
[18:10] <Woet> fromBeyond: follow "Update sources.list" and your apt will work again
[18:10] <fromBeyond> Woet: i completelly missed that, sorry. Will be right back
[18:11] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, that might be a result of both network managers trying to rename the same interface the same way.
[18:11] <JakeSays> how do i restart the network w/o restarting the machine
[18:12] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, before that, what are the interface names now?
[18:12] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: eno1 and eth0. and now eth0 is up. wtf
[18:13] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, so what problems are remaining, if any?
[18:13] <JakeSays> after uninstalling netman i no longer have the status icon on the task bar
[18:13] <Sven_vB> indeed. not sure if there is a dock applet for networkd.
[18:14] <Sven_vB> the former icon was provided by nm-applet probably.
[18:15] <d0tsun7> Hey guys. I upgraded to Kernel 5.6.13 from 5.4.1 on Ubuntu 19.10 and unfortunately, it caused an error with my VFIO graphics passthrough for my Windows guest VM and I switched back to 5.4.1. before I test other newer Kernels. Anyhow, UKUU shows 5.6.13 is no longer installed, but it shows up in my GRUB and tries to boot from it and causes the same error. How should I resolve this. Thanks.
[18:15] <JakeSays> lol. i just remembered i have two nic's in this machine. so my guess is the wrong one is being brought up
[18:15] <JakeSays> or attempted to
[18:15] <d0tsun7> (I can go to advanced settings and boot to 5.4.1 and all is fine, but I need it removed entirely.)
[18:16] <d0tsun7> (5.6.13, that is, to be removed entirely.)
[18:16] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: ok i think i have a handle on that one.
[18:17] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, this project claims it can show networkd status as a tray icon: https://github.com/loh-tar/wpa-cute
[18:17] <d0tsun7> sudo ukuu --list-installed
[18:17] <d0tsun7> [sudo] password for thomas-pc2:
[18:17] <d0tsun7> ukuu v18.9.3
[18:17] <d0tsun7> Distribution: Ubuntu 19.10
[18:17] <d0tsun7> Architecture: amd64
[18:17] <d0tsun7> Running kernel: 5.4.1-050401-generic
[18:17] <Woet> welp.
[18:18] <JakeSays> so one more major issue: when i boot my machine i get very low resolution video, and a terminal cursor. the only way to fix it that i've found is to install v430 of my nvidia drivers. however the fix doesn't stick - next time i reboot it's messed up again.
[18:19] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, low res video as in "just" low thousands, or 640x480?
[18:19] <eelstrebor> i have multiple vlc icons at the top of the screen and more get added after each use of vlc - they don' go away unless i reboot - i followed one suggestion to set in preferences for one instance of vlc but then some apps won't launch vlc after doing that
[18:19] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: 640x480
[18:20] <JakeSays> i vaguely recall it being 320x240 even
[18:20] <Sven_vB> oh wow
[18:21] <JakeSays> but the desktop is still full size, so i only see a very small portion of it
[18:21] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, when you've booted in that low res mode, does it still boot into Gnome?
[18:21] <Sven_vB> oh ok
[18:21] <JakeSays> i'm on kde
[18:22] <Sven_vB> what's the graphics card detected as, and does that match the real hardware?
[18:23] <Sven_vB> also what does xrandr report when you have that low-res situation? and when you take a screenshot then, is the screenshot the expected size?
[18:23] <JakeSays> ugh. i dont remember. i'll restart and capture it.
[18:23] <JakeSays> and xrandr too and screenshot.
[18:23] <JakeSays> brb
[18:29] <chaslinux> So I was trying some other LDAP settings in my /etc/krb5.conf (on client computer). When it didn't work I reverted to the old settings. The old settings no longer work either. Beyond rebooting was there something else that needed to be done after changing the krb5.conf file?
[19:03] <Makdaam> hello, what troubleshooting can I do on a non-working SD card reader (RT 525A)? It shows up in lspci. But I don't know what /dev should show up
[19:06] <sarnold> Makdaam: check dmesg output when you insert it
[19:07] <ioria> Makdaam, card readers sometimes want proprietary drivers ; lspci -nnk
[19:10] <Sven_vB> mine doesn't even show up in lspci :(
[19:11] <ioria> Sven_vB, you're not the only one
[19:11] <evils> is there a way to bring forth a window on a hidden secondary display?
[19:12] <Sven_vB> evils, like moving it to another desktop, or move it inside a shared desktop?
[19:12] <evils> move the active window to the primary window would be ideal
[19:12] <Sven_vB> wmctrl can do it, probably xdotool also
[19:12] <evils> sry, active window to the primary monitor
[19:13] <Makdaam> ioria: 54:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS525A PCI Express Card Reader [10ec:525a] (rev 01) Subsystem: Lenovo RTS525A PCI Express Card Reader [17aa:2297] Kernel modules: rtsx_pci
[19:13] <Makdaam> so looks like it's using the rtsx_pci module
[19:14] <Makdaam> I don't see any block device
[19:14] <ioria> Makdaam, you should look for 'Kernel module in use' not Kernel module
[19:14] <evils> so no GUI based way?
[19:16] <ioria> Makdaam,  what's your kernel ?
[19:18] <Sven_vB> evils, your window manager might have a key shortcut for "move to current desktop and raise". which WM do you use?
[19:18] <evils> Sven_vB: the default ubuntu one
[19:18] <Makdaam> 5.4.0-29-generic #33-Ubuntu
[19:18] <JakeSaysUgh> Sven_vB: i have bigger issues :( i've lost all network connectivity
[19:21] <ioria> Makdaam,  and dmesg is silent when you plug a card ?
[19:21] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, shall we focus on getting networkd to work, or on reinstalling NM?
[19:21] <JakeSaysUgh> Sven_vB: lets go back to nm
[19:22] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, are you familiar with chroot rescue?
[19:22] <JakeSaysUgh> no
[19:22] <Sven_vB> !chroot
[19:22] <jim> you guys have a bot like judd?
[19:23] <JakeSaysUgh> i'm familiar with chroot, just not the rescue part
[19:23] <Makdaam> ioria: yes, nothing in dmesg
[19:23] <Sven_vB> oh ok. I had hoped the article would explain which bind mounts we'll need
[19:23] <jim> I want to look up versions of stuff... is there a bot for that? a website for that?
[19:23] <JakeSaysUgh> can i just download the deb on to a usv stick and transfer it to the busted machine?
[19:24] <JakeSaysUgh> *usb
[19:24] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, you'll need all the dependencies, too. then an offline dpkg -i should indeed work.
[19:24] <ioria> Makdaam,  the 'Kernel driver in use' line  ?
[19:25] <JakeSaysUgh> lol ok it might be easier to get networkd working
[19:25] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, however, it might be easier to do one ifconfig to get cable ethernet up
[19:25] <JakeSaysUgh> chasing deps could be a pita
[19:25] <Makdaam> ioria: there's no such line
[19:25] <Makdaam> I mean there is for other devices
[19:25] <JakeSaysUgh> Sven_vB: ah ok.
[19:25] <Makdaam> bot not this one
[19:25] <ioria> Makdaam,  so it cannot work , i'd say
[19:26] <Makdaam> :/ it's supposedly "certified" https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201908-27271 thanks for help
[19:26] <ioria> yes, i saw it
[19:26] <Makdaam> in the mean time I found someone modifying a module for a different model of the reader
[19:26] <Makdaam> I'll try that
[19:27] <ioria> Makdaam,  someone edited rtsx_pci.c
[19:30] <JakeSaysUgh> Sven_vB: ifconfig eth0 up brought it up, but no connectivity for some reason
[19:30] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, you'll need to assign an IP and a default gateway probably.
[19:30] <Sven_vB> also a subnet mask or prefix length
[19:31] <JakeSaysUgh> shouldn't dhcp handle that?
[19:31] <Sven_vB> JakeSaysUgh, yes, that is one method of assigning them. :) in that case, you'll need to tell your DHCP client (I think dhclient) to configure that interface.
[19:32] <Sven_vB> iirc, it was sudo dhclient eno1
[19:33] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: ahh back in business'ish
[19:34] <Sven_vB> :)
[19:36] <Sven_vB> I'll check if it's even possible to uninstall networkd easily
[19:36] <JakeSays> is there an advantage of one over the other?
[19:37] <Sven_vB> NM has a nice systray applet.
[19:38] <JakeSays> that would be handy for sure
[19:39] <JakeSays> so i guess if we can uninstall or disable networkd
[19:39] <sarnold> networkd should leave alone whatever you don't configure, no?
[19:40] <Sven_vB> yes it should. also I see that it is not supposed to be uninstalled, just disabled.
[19:41] <Sven_vB> what does "systemctl status systemd-networkd" say? should be "inactive (dead)"
[19:41] <JakeSays> it's active and running
[19:42] <JakeSays> if i disable it will i lose my connection?
[19:42] <Sven_vB> when you have NM set up again, reboot and see if networkd is still running
[19:42] <ioria> JakeSays, i'd check my .yaml file in /etc/netplan
[19:43] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, it should not interfere with your manual ifconfig + dhclient; if it does, you may need to repeat both.
[19:43] <JakeSays> ioria: it says network:\n version: 2\n renderer:NetworkManager
[19:44] <JakeSays> ok. i'll re-install nm real quick
[19:44] <ioria> JakeSays, so why  systemd-networkd.service is running ?
[19:44] <JakeSays> ioria: i have no idea why it's running
[19:44] <JakeSays> something bad happened during my 20.04 upgrade
[19:45] <ioria> JakeSays, and network-manager is up and running ?
[19:47] <JakeSays> ioria: after installing netman network-online.target and network.target are running
[19:48] <JakeSays> and so is systemd-networkd
[19:49] <ioria> JakeSays, ps -A | grep Network
[19:50] <JakeSays> yup it's running
[19:51] <ioria> JakeSays, if so, i suggest to 'stoip' and 'disable' systemd-networkd.service
[19:51] <ioria> *stop
[19:52] <JakeSays> ioria: done
[19:53] <JakeSays> still have networkd-dispatcher running
[19:53] <ioria> that's normal
[19:54] <JakeSays> do i reboot and see what's up?
[20:01] <x0n> anyone actively using zsys?
[20:09] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: did a reboot and the network still doesn't start correctly, but i can handle it manually for now.
[20:09] <JakeSays> but i really need to get a handle on the video
[20:12] <JakeSays> this is what i'm seeing: https://imgur.com/a/k3D1H6s
[20:12] <NoiseEee> hey there, does anyone know if there's any way to add software that comes in an ".AppImage" to my "Favourites" panel?  Even via a shortcut or whatever??  20.04
[20:14] <x0n> I have a raspi with ZFS on root (encryption=on). Everything is configured correctly, but at boot it takes forever for the ZFS password prompt to show up. How to debug this?
[20:16] <JakeSays> x0n: lol zfs on a pi is a bold move
[20:16] <haltdef> anyone that says it needs 1GB of ram per TB of storage is getting a poked eye
[20:19] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, I don't have a full browser here, I'd need a direct image link. or someone else can help of course. or maybe it's even easy to describe what you see?
[20:19] <JakeSays> haltdef: it does if you're using deduplication
[20:20] <haltdef> yeah, people parrot it as a requirement for zfs in general
[20:20] <haltdef> and that upsets me
[20:21] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: picture a desktop in 640x480. then picture a text mode console. overlay that on top of the desktop, and that's what i'm seeing.
[20:21] <JakeSays> haltdef: yeah it's nuts
[20:22] <JakeSays> and dedup isn't a commonly useful use case anyway
[20:22] <aaardvark_> I just brought up a google clound instance - ubuntu 20.4 - I use ecryptfs - it is not there and ecryptfs-utils seems not to be available - what am I missing here?
[20:23] <JakeSays> encryptfs would be my guess. :D
[20:23] <JakeSays> disclaimer: i know nothing.
[20:24] <EriC^^> !info ecryptfs-utils
[20:24] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: it's in the universe repo, sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update
[20:26] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: no add-apt-repository
[20:27] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: hmm
[20:27] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: you could always just add universe to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:27] <x0n> JakeSays: performance is OK-ish. It's a pi4 so USB3, but my impressu
[20:28] <x0n> *impression is that I got an overall better deal on the pi3
[20:28] <JakeSays> ah
[20:29] <JakeSays> x0n: so you're using it with an external drive?
[20:29] <x0n> Drive is a proper SATA SSD on a USB bridge
[20:29] <JakeSays> ok cool
[20:29] <x0n> correct
[20:29] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: for me "software-properties-common" is the package that provides add-apt-repository
[20:29] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: since this is a test - and not a production system I'm willing to do that - what do I add
[20:30] <x0n> Just that it takes forever to load at boot. Didn't have this issue with raspbian
[20:32] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: I add ed the software-proerties.. - and sure enough I do not have add-apt-repository  - but it tells me that universe is invalid
[20:32] <JakeSays> x0n: why'd you switch to ubuntu?
[20:33] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: that's pretty odd
[20:34] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: I'm beginig to NOT BE A FAN of google cloud services - just we have a client who REALLY wants to use them
[20:34] <x0n> JakeSays: you fishing for compliments? ;)
[20:34] <JakeSays> x0n: lol not sure what you mean
[20:36] <x0n> Do you want me to praise Ubuntu? I have several reasons for switching, not least that ZFS is a first class citizen on Ubuntu. Also KVM
[20:36] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: add to /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal universe"
[20:36] <JakeSays> x0n: lol i dont care if you praise ubuntu or not. i'm just a user.
[20:37] <JakeSays> x0n: ah you must have a pi4 with 4gb ram
[20:37] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: same for focal-updates if you also are using that there, add it with universe
[20:37] <EriC^^> then sudo apt update
[20:39] <x0n> JakeSays: indeed. It's pretty nice for its size
[20:42] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: remember, I can't add the universe, when I do the add-apt-repository universe - I get an error that universe is invalid
[20:49] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: just a a WEIRD aspect - I spun up a 19.10 and all is clean
[20:50] <EriC^^> aaardvark_: did you try adding manually to /etc/apt/sources.list in 20.04? that should do it
[20:50] <EriC^^> or maybe just manually download ecryptfs deb and its deps and install using dpkg
[20:51] <aaardvark_> EriC^^: I did not
[20:51] <EriC^^> i think it should work, apt wont know it's the universe repo, it'll likely treat it as it would any ppa
[20:55] <waveform> x0n, you could try systemd-analyze with "critical-chain" or "blame" to get a hint as to what's taking ages in the boot sequence
[20:56] <x0n> waveform: good idea, thanks
[20:56] <metbsd> lubuntu and xubuntu which is more lightweight
[20:57] <x0n> while I'm here: anyone using zsys? I'm after some impressions from using it in practice
[20:58] <x0n> It doesn't look at all bad at first glance
[21:00] <chuuna> Hi, I'm tring to install zgrab2 from: https://github.com/zmap/zgrab2 on ubuntu 18.04 but it seem to fail. here is the error log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fxtxCQCq5C/ anyone know what I've messed up?
[21:01] <leftyfb> chuuna: you'll have to contact the developer for support
[21:02] <sarnold> chuuna: do you have to go get a bunch of things?
[21:02] <sarnold> chuuna: is there a makefile that automates the steps you need to take?
[21:05] <EriC^^> chuuna: what does 'find $GOROOT -iname ed25519' give?
[21:05] <EriC^^> i wonder if maybe the $GOROOT / $GOPATH need to be modified somehow so it finds the files?
[21:09] <Sven_vB> JakeSays, as you probably guessed I had to go afk, and will have to again in a minute, so I hope someone else can help you debug further. they'll probably need the xrandr report next.
[21:12] <JakeSays> Sven_vB: hey no problem. i REALLY appreciate your help. i'm just going to stick with manually fixing things at boot because i have some pressing work to attend to.
[21:12] <Sven_vB> ok no prob
[21:14] <x0n> waveform: systemd-analyze doesn't catch that part of the boot. It was still in initrd  :(
[21:22] <studenttu> Does 20.04 still support yum? i tried installing yum but itsayys unable to locate packag4e yum
[21:24] <sarnold> studenttu: well, "support" ... it was never supported. it was just packaged.
[21:24] <sarnold> studenttu: it's been removed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yum/+publishinghistory  "(From Debian) RoQA; old RH software; python2; better alternatives exist (not in debian yet); Debian bug #951299
[21:24] <waveform> x0n, oh - in that case you can try bunging break=top/bottom/a-few-other-points-I-can't-recall in the kernel cmdline to get a clue as to where it's delaying - erm, let me dig out those break-points - just a mo
[21:26] <waveform> x0n, https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/tree/init?h=applied/ubuntu/devel <-- that's the "init" script in the initramfs; anywhere you see "maybe_break" in that script is a break-point you can set with break=<name> in the kernel cmdline
[21:28] <waveform> x0n, with that you could time how long it takes to reach a given break point from the start of boot to get a clue where it might be delaying - there's also hooks you can use but they've got less entry points into that script
[21:38] <Perfec7> whats the command to show files that starts with dot?
[21:39] <leftyfb> Perfec7: ls -a
[21:39] <Perfec7> leftyfb, and how to get inside of the file?
[21:39] <leftyfb> Perfec7: huh?
[21:39] <EriC^^> Perfec7: cd .file
[21:40] <Perfec7> EriC^^, ~/snap/hexchat$ cd .config
[21:40] <Perfec7> bash: cd: .config: No such file or directory
[21:40] <studenttu> Can anyone tell me how I can distinguish hard drives in ubuntu if I buy a new one for extra storage?
[21:40] <leftyfb> Perfec7: what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[21:40] <EriC^^> Perfec7: type 'nano .config'
[21:41] <Perfec7> leftyfb, sasl external
[21:41] <Perfec7> EriC^^, thanks
[21:41] <_Sym_> any idea why I need to connect my bluetooth headset twice in order for the buttons on the headphones to function? This is Ubuntu 18.04.
[21:43] <Perfec7> EriC^^, have you tried to do sasl external?
[21:43] <Perfec7> i dont understand this
[21:44] <EriC^^> nope i haven
[21:44] <EriC^^> havent
[21:44] <Perfec7> mkdir ~/.config/hexchat/certs ; openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout ~/--->.config<---/hexchat/certs/client.pem -out ~/--->.config<---/hexchat/certs/client.pem
[21:44] <Perfec7> --->.config<---
[21:44] <Perfec7> i am learning linux
[21:44] <Perfec7> the real command is:
[21:45] <Perfec7> mkdir ~/.config/hexchat/certs ; openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout ~/.config/hexchat/certs/client.pem -out ~/.config/hexchat/certs/client.pem
[21:45] <Perfec7> just dont understand this .config
[21:45] <Perfec7> brb
[21:46] <lordcirth> Perfec7, if ~/.config doesn't exist, mkdir -p will create parent directories as well. But it should exist, unless you are in a chroot or something
[21:48] <Perfec7> lordcirth, ~/snap/hexchat$ ls -a
[21:48] <Perfec7> .  ..  certs  current
[21:48] <Perfec7> still not understanding
[21:48] <studenttu> Can anyone tell me how I can distinguish hard drives in ubuntu if I buy a new one for extra storage?
[21:49] <Perfec7> studenttu, look for gparted i think thats the correct word
[21:49] <lordcirth> Perfec7, looks like the snap version of hexchat keeps it's stuff in ~/snap/hexchat rather than ~/.config/hexchat. So adjust accordingly?
[21:50] <leftyfb> studenttu: lsblk
[21:50] <studenttu> I mean like in use, I dont want everything to be under /home/, can I format it for example as /data/ or will it cause problems?
[21:50] <lordcirth> studenttu, you can mount it anywhere you want.
[21:50] <Perfec7> lordcirth, good question. i am working on it for 2 days to do sasl external... i am so tired of trying
[21:50] <studenttu> when i installed ubuntu it complained abount mounting a second hard drive as /media/ so maybe i did something wrong
[21:51] <studenttu> (it just didnt allow it)
[21:51] <Perfec7> studenttu, i am learning linux and i dont want to do something wrong there... i would like to help
[21:52] <lordcirth> studenttu, ubuntu puts other things under /media, so that wouldn't work well
[21:52] <studenttu> lordcirth i dont see any media but i will try a different mount  point
[21:53] <lordcirth> USB drives, etc get automounted under /media
[21:53] <studenttu> alright i see
[21:53] <studenttu> thanks
[21:56] <x0n> waveform: perfect, that should get me there. Thanks!
[22:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> Query: does focal support work on laptops with latest intel 10th gen CPUs? e.g : i5 1035G4/G7 ones?
[22:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> *support
[22:03] <genii> The_LoudSpeaker: It's running on my 10th gen i5 HP 17-by2008ca laptop here flawlessly so far
[22:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Noice! I am planning to purchase a lenovo s340 once the deliveries get started here. So asked.
[22:51] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[22:52] <CountryfiedLinux> Can I play games on EA Origin with Wine?
[22:55] <oerheks> that would be a question for the wine database
[22:55] <oerheks> !wine
[22:55] <oerheks> maybe even POL play on linux
[22:59] <SomethingGeneric> Hi all! I've got a question about networking/apache. I have three different domains who's websites I want to serve outside my home network. I have my domains set up to point to my home's external IP (correctly), and have my router forwarding ports 80 (http) and port 443 (for https), and yet, outside of my home wifi, I can't access any of the three sites. So I've made the assumption that I've either
[22:59] <SomethingGeneric> configured Ubuntu or Apache incorrectly. Can anyone help me out?
[23:00] <CountryfiedLinux> ok ok thanks
[23:01] <shinobi__> If I want to install zfs on 20.04 (not root partition) the package I want is zfsutils-linux, correct?
[23:03] <SomethingGeneric> Nevermind if anyone was gonna try to help me out. It's just Xfinity being difficult and calling my portforwards "threats" :/
[23:03] <sarnold> heh
[23:03] <sarnold> at least you got there ..
[23:04] <SomethingGeneric> If anyone out there is choosing an ISP don't pick comcast/xfinity. They've been a pain in the rear at every turn
[23:04] <SomethingGeneric> And I don't have a good connection
[23:05] <leftyfb> SomethingGeneric: get a business account. It'll cost a little bit more money but you don't get that sort of thing from them anymore, no caps and a static ip
[23:06] <SomethingGeneric> leftyb, that *sounds* good, but does it come with more bandwith for the price?? It's already too little speed for the $ as it is
[23:07] <leftyfb> SomethingGeneric: I couldn't tell you, I pay a lot of money for 1Gb and a bunch of static ip's
[23:07] <SomethingGeneric> Ah ok. Thanks for the tip, though!
[23:34] <shinobi__> I installed electrum on 20.04 via python. It didn't seem to install the menu item though. I cannot see it in activities. When I launch it an icon is added to the dash, but I can't pin it to favorites. How can I add it?
[23:41] <tomtiger11> shinobi__: GNOME isn't my strong point, but I'll let you know what I know in-case it's of use. The GNOME application icons only show up in the applications menu if they have a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications (for most applications)
[23:42] <tomtiger11> shinobi__: it's possible that it's only really intended to be launched via CLI, but I'd try and direct some research in that area if you're looking for it to be in the GNOME applications list :)
[23:42] <SynfulAck> I have some sort of firmware file with .fff that has a file in it that i need to edit. Is there some way i can do this through the command line? I unzipped w.e. it was, editted the file then ran `zip [orig file name] * ` and ran it through a firmware update but i think something got changed somewhere in there cause its not recognizing it.
[23:43] <sarnold> SynfulAck: quite often firmware update processes validate checksums or verify signatures
[23:43] <sarnold> SynfulAck: if it is validating a checksum, then you'd "just" need to compute a checksum that verifies your modifications
[23:43] <SynfulAck> sarnold, ive been told someone else has done this on windows, so im assuming the tool kit or options i used created the problem.
[23:43] <sarnold> SynfulAck: if it is verifying a signature, you've got a lot more work to do :)
[23:44] <sarnold> SynfulAck: I've heard that this toolkit is heplful to inspect unknown binaries https://ghidra-sre.org/
[23:48] <SynfulAck> seems like a really cool tool but excessive. all the guy needed was 7zip so this seems overkill.
[23:54] <robertparkerx> someone told me to use sudo -Hsu one day and it switched to my other user
[23:54] <robertparkerx> what exactly does -Hsu do
[23:56] <sarnold> robertparkerx: -H asks sudo to set the HOME environment variable to match the target user's passwd entry
[23:56] <sarnold> robertparkerx: -s starts a shell
[23:56] <sarnold> robertparkerx: -u selects the user
[23:57] <robertparkerx> Thank you very much!
[23:59] <Samizdat> Say I'm uploading video to an Internet Archive item.  Is it possible to use ffmpeg output as cURL input, thereby bypassing the need to write to my drive as an interim step?