[03:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> hey mesaboogie
[04:10] <mesaboogie> hello lotuspsychje
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> welcome mhpl3141592
[04:12] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: Hi :)
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> if you have config issues with i3, talk to ducasse when he wakes up in a few mhpl3141592
[04:13] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: I try to adopts to Gnome as much as possible. But I tried relogin i3 and couple of otehrs.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: the ubuntu-docs ? icon also holds up a lot of help resources, and the wiki leftyfb pointed you
[04:15] <mhpl3141592> My main problem is how things goes in advanced/intermediate level ubutnu best practice. In Arch for example everything is in the wiki and man pages, the user seldomely need anything else. With ubuntu it seems the mainstream is to search through google and find your way through. This have its advantages. But as a noob. I want to know best practices. If I missed anything. Ubuntu wiki for
[04:15] <mhpl3141592> example is very sparse and obsolete
[04:16] <mhpl3141592> So, ubuntu docs, wiki, then google. right?
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> there's tons of resources out there mhpl3141592
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> like i say, we have an active ubuntu community here aswell for support & discussions
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> there's also #i3 channel
[04:21] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: Thanks. I want to learn how things works here. So the resources are diverse and even an advanced user will use combinations of these: Doc/Wiki, IRC and Google
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> manpages, askubuntu, ubuntu forums, individual websites,..
[04:22] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: I get it know. I feared that due to being noob I'm doing things wrong through my early adoptation.
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> i very like the tutorials on https://linuxconfig.org/ for example
[04:22] <mhpl3141592> Actually having such diverse resources has its own merits
[04:24] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: this linuxconfig.org seems very polish and good. Thansk
[04:25] <mhpl3141592> Does anybody know how to bring back default ubuntu icons? I install regolith and switched to it and when I switched back it changed the icons which I don't like
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: we can only support the ubuntu !flavours not the other derivatives
[04:27] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: I've fresh ubuntu default install. I just install regolish as an DE and login to it, didn't like it
[04:27] <mhpl3141592> I'm using vanila Ubuntu
[04:28] <mhpl3141592> but the regolith has changed the icons
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: i dont see regolith on the repos, how did you install?
[04:29] <mesaboogie> 20.04 fresh install default vanilla here as well.
[04:29] <mesaboogie> defaut theme is really nice
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> cool mesaboogie
[04:29] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: it was right in their website. I add a ppa repo though
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: thats also where support stops, adding external ppa's we point back to the maintainers for support
[04:31] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: how can I remove that ppa (I can figure it out), uninstall regolith and revert back the icons?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: we also strongly advice to use packages from the ubuntu repos, to keep your system healthy, but you are the end admin of your system, you do what you want ofc
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | mhpl3141592
[04:31] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: I din't know PPAs has such implications
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: not all, some not so well maintained ppa's can conflict with apt
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> and bring your system into dependency nightmares
[04:32] <mhpl3141592> how do you know which one is well maintained? activity or experience?
[04:33] <mhpl3141592> lotuspsychje: can it be reversed? purge, unistall and healthy again :)
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> mhpl3141592: it sure can, remove your ppa's, packages, and sudo apt update to make apt healthy once again
[04:37] <mhpl3141592> what about: remove regolith, ppa-purge, update, upgrade?
[04:37] <mesaboogie> !ppapurge | mesaboogie
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah bot needs a fix here
[04:38] <mesaboogie> ppa-purge --help works just fine
[04:41] <mhpl3141592> ppa-purge was easy and neat.
[04:47] <mhpl3141592> Is there a way to have gnome less wasted space on title bars. With firefox I have multiple layers of empty bars.
[04:48] <mhpl3141592> Is there a "healthy" way to configure gnome kind of like MacOS title bar? integrated in top bar
[05:32] <mhpl3141592> What is the difference and role of `apt` and `apt-get`? For install I mostly use `apt install` but sometiems apt-get is used.
[06:52] <guiverc> mhpl3141592, i see `apt` as a newer front-end for package tools, it's easier for common tasks & can do things `apt-get` didn't do (dpkg- type queries) however it cannot do everything, thus apt-get remains
[06:58] <mhpl3141592> guiverc: That's the problem. I want a general view over the role of apt, apt-get, dpkg..
[07:01] <guiverc> Well you could look at questions on support sites (https://askubuntu.com/questions/445384/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-and-apt-get shows up in a quick search), however that was mostly written for trusty/14.04 where apt has improved since then (covers more uses cases of apt-get now; covering all but rarely used cases)  the best guide would be `man` pages of course (they are more detailed for whatever release you are using)
[07:02] <guiverc> dpkg installs packages, but they need to already be local (and all dependencies installed on same command or already installed).  apt-get will get (dwonload) the packages & install whatever is required (if dependency is required, it can download which dpkg cannot)
[07:03] <guiverc> apt-get is like a wrapper around `dpkg` allowing dpkg to do more..  apt-get relies on dpkg to do actual install
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[17:19] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | tomreyn
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> Broken bot.
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioInstaller
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: They were using Ubuntu MATE's raspberry pi image. Also, we don't support rpis.
[17:23] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: thanks. i will *try* to remember only to send non rpi users to #ubuntustudio if you prefer this? alternatively, what i probably coule remember, i could try not sending anyone there.
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: The biggest problem is that #ubuntustudio is pretty inactive with only two people from the same timezone (including myself) providing any support. Despite cries for people to help, we've had next to no takers.
[17:48] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: sorry to hear this. please just be aware i don't send people to the channel out of bad intentions.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Oh, I know. I appreciate everything you do. :)
[17:49] <tomreyn> oh thanks!
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