[02:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: now is the time for sure
[02:33] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I'm online, but sporatically these days.
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Gotcha.
[02:33] <tsimonq2> teward: Good luck predicting my schedyle.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: some comments about the 20.10 iso. No browser in favourites? Dual screens does not use twp different backdrops. Konsole seems to have added keyboard shortcuts since 20.04 (Alt+1 to Alt+9) very anoying as applications inside the terminal already use them :P
[21:36] <OvenWerks> what else, oh yeah, it is not obvous which window has focus. It may be that the theme you wish to use is not here yet
[21:37] <OvenWerks> I would drop the ebook reader and thunderbird from favourites before the browser :)
[21:38] <OvenWerks> controls does not run
[21:38] <OvenWerks> Ah there we are
[21:40] <OvenWerks> it seems that favourites has ubuntustudio-controls which will not run but in Audio Production I find Studio-controls (way at the bottom) and that dose run... but tells me I need to fix real time permitions.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> I think what is happening with that last is that our metas are installed after first login. So another logout in is required
[21:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: after reboot... most of the trouble seems to have gone away. favourites looks better, ubuntustudio-controls icon is gone
[21:47] <OvenWerks> real time is ok.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: So I am guessing that the installer change you want to do will fix the install?
[21:51] <OvenWerks> That would be nice
[22:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: generally it looks pretty good. There are way too many things hard coded in KDE
[22:11] <OvenWerks>  I notice that even though you have the US screen while plasma is starting up, the settings manager shows as if it was the default Kubuntu screen... I guess if .config does not have a change in it, settings assumes their default.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> Not branding friendly
[22:13] <OvenWerks> I am guessing it will require a /etc/xdg/ubuntustudio/ sub menu to make things right? Or do we clone/revise some kubuntu packages?
[22:20] <OvenWerks> hmm s/menu/directory/
[23:03] <teward> Eickmeyer: FTBFS is not good :)
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Uh.... it's not done yet.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> As far as favorties go, it's some sort of bug that happens sporadically with calibre taking-over .html. There's a race condition.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> And anything that is Kubuntu is definitely the installer, like I've been saying.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> Once we move to Calamares, that will go away.
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: What do you mean the settings manager shows as if it was the default Kubuntu screen?
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> I don't understand.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> while plasma is starting up it has a "splash screen". This splash screen has a ubuntustudio logo. So far so good.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> Yes. I made that myself.
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Are you getting Kubuntu and KDE phrasing mixed-up?
[23:31] <OvenWerks> now if I go into the setting app startup and shutdown->splash screen, it shows "Breeze" as being the current splash screen in use. My asumption is that this is because if I haven't asked for a new choice, settings thinks it must be default and shows it as default
[23:31] <OvenWerks> (what it thinks is default)
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Yes, the settings are hardcoded to think "Breeze" if there's nothing in .config.
[23:32] <OvenWerks> I picked that one to make a point, but it seems to me there were other cases of similar things.
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> But, you'll notice, that if you log out, the screen is the Ubuntu Studio screen.
[23:32] <OvenWerks> yes, it is just the settings app that is wrong
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Nothing we can do about that.
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> And I don't know why the ebook reader is taking the spot of the browser. I might just change the default to firefox.desktop.
[23:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think that was the installer
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> No, it's not the installer.
[23:34] <OvenWerks> It looked like the first time I logged in all the US metas got installed and after I logged out and back in again firefox was there
[23:35] <OvenWerks> (and the ebook reader and ubuntustudio-controls were gone)
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Live session != installer
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> It's a race condition happening in the live session.
[23:36] <OvenWerks> I am talking about the installed version, after first boot
[23:36] <OvenWerks>  and then it is different after second boot
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> Ok, yeah, that makes sense. I'm looking at the live session and it shows the E-book Editor as the browser.
[23:36] <OvenWerks> After first boot the installer comes up and says there are a pile of installs to do
[23:37] <OvenWerks> after those are finished and I reboot things are fine.
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> Here's the file that determines the default favorites: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/kickoffrc
[23:37] <OvenWerks> Live is a different matter :)
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> Also, I did a test install and didn't encounter the Studio Controls problem.
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> It shows by default in the live session and should also show after installation.l
[23:40] <OvenWerks> I think once the installer is fixed things will be good
[23:41] <OvenWerks> live may take a bit, but really you have just started and form that POV things are quite good. It is workable.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> That's really the only thing that is left. The installer (ubiquity-kde) is hardcoded to replace Ubuntu with Kubuntu and only display Kubuntu and its logo for installation. Hence, moving to Calamares because the Ubuntu Foundations Team has complete control over that and they move slower than molassees.
[23:41] <OvenWerks> (On Mars)
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> Rather, foundations has control over Ubiquity, whereas Lubuntu wants Calamares to be all-inclusive.
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> Indeed, on mars.
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> I can honestly say that they would look at it, but probably wouldn't have it fixed until after Beta. I'm tired of having to go through them every time I make a change to the slideshow too.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> ubuntu server and desktop are the first priority
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> Not even Desktop. Server, cloud, and IoT.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> Whatever makes money
[23:45] <OvenWerks> The installer should be like all other SW, highly configurable
[23:45] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. That's what Calamares is, which is why we're changing.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> calamares.io in case you're wondering.
[23:46] <OvenWerks> How far away is that do you think?
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> Well, I'm pretty much done, it just needs testing. In order for that to happen, I need the Lubuntu team to upload the new calamares-settings-ubuntu package, which I'm an official contributor to now.
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> I might see if it can be added to the packageset, which I don't think would be too much of an issue.
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> Settings are mirrored at https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu if you want to see them.
[23:53] <OvenWerks> So the best way to experience it at this point would be to DL lubuntu?
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> At this point, yes.
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> It would just be the Lubuntu branding, but I've tested the Ubuntu Studio branding on it with the settings I've made and I'm happy with it.
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> That said, I will need to update the screenshots in the slideshow.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> At least we can start now and not September
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.