[11:15] <jphilips> do we need to do something with a config file or something so that neofetch shows the xubuntu logo rather than ubuntu
[11:15] <jphilips> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYGotCSXkAASSsI?format=jpg&name=medium
[11:18] <brainwash> jphilips: the OS is ubuntu
[11:19] <jphilips> brainwash: was looking for the xubuntu logo to appear https://imgur.com/sWaLcF8.png
[11:20] <jphilips> without the user having to use '--asci_distro xubuntu' for it to appear
[11:20] <brainwash> so
[11:20] <brainwash> shouldn't you contact the neofetch devs?
[11:21] <brainwash> they can tell what is missing or can be done
[11:24] <jphilips> yes i can do that if its something we couldn't rectify ourselves with a config file change
[11:25] <brainwash> what config file change?
[11:28] <brainwash> I assume that its devs can point us in the right direction or just fix this in their code
[11:29] <brainwash> you just have to contact them
[11:43] <jphilips> will do
[11:46] <jphilips> brainwash: do you know where lsb_release pulls its data from?
[11:49] <brainwash> there is a file in /etc, but the command could be doing more than just reading that file
[11:49] <brainwash> I mean this one /etc/lsb-release
[11:56] <jphilips> so neofetch is relying on this file /usr/lib/os-release
[12:02] <brainwash> and that file does not mention xubuntu, right?
[12:02] <jphilips> yep
[12:04] <brainwash> the end :)
[12:04] <jphilips> i wonder where ubiquity pulls from when it knows which flavor it is
[12:07] <jphilips> not really, because Ubuntu rather than Xubuntu doesn't appear in the grub screen, which means its a bigger problem than just neofetch
[12:11] <jphilips> https://imgur.com/Ew7U1ha.png
[12:12] <brainwash> keep it simple I'd say
[12:13] <brainwash> what should happen if you install xubuntu and kubuntu-desktop on top of it?
[12:13] <brainwash> XKubuntu?
[12:16] <bluesabre> A mess.
[12:24] <jphilips> you would have installed Xubuntu and are running the KDE DE and WM during that session
[12:25] <jphilips> i've filed the bug with them, so i guess we'll see what they say https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/issues/1461
[12:29] <jphilips> how do we fix the grub issue, or is that not a concern that it doesn't show the flavor's name?
[12:54] <bluesabre> I remember there being some concern that a different grub entry would require a different secure boot signed thing
[12:54] <bluesabre> But this was long long ago
[14:33] <jphilips> neofetch close the issue saying that 'as there's no way to reliably detect Xubuntu (as it is Ubuntu)'. is this correct?
[14:34] <bluesabre> Can check environment variables
[14:34] <bluesabre> `DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu`
[14:34] <bluesabre> That'd be the easiest way
[14:47] <bluesabre> !team | I'm planning a meeting for early next week... Let me know if 2100 UTC on Tuesday would work for you, or if there's a better time/date.
[14:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: I removed akxwi-dave and slickymaster from the team due to inactivity. Can you update the factoid when you get a chance?
[14:50] <jphilips> bluesabre: not a solid way, as other flavor use the desktop environment in that env variable
[14:50] <bluesabre> Yeah, but I think that variable alone is what controls if you get Xubuntu or Ubuntu+Xfce
[14:51] <bluesabre> Possibly `XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xubuntu`
[14:52] <bluesabre> I need to check a live session... my local install is a bit messy right now :D
[14:52] <jphilips> :D
[14:53] <jphilips> well lubuntu has desktop_session=lubuntu, while xdg_session_desktop is blank
[17:53] <jphilips> is this image on the system requirements page copyrighted, as i saw it on another distro's site https://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/aea1/hardware.png
[21:41] <Unit193> jphilips: neofetch is right, the OS is Ubuntu.  And last I knew if one updated the grub menu EFI with secure boot stopped working (read: system doesn't boot.)  Besides it'd be wrong anyway.
[21:41] <Unit193> bluesabre: Alrighty!
[21:44] <jphilips> Unit193: so is Xubuntu not an OS, as we mention that it is on our website and documentation. Is Linux Mint not an OS because it uses the Ubuntu base, or is Ubuntu not an OS because it uses the Debian base.
[21:45]  * Unit193 sighs.
[21:45] <brainwash> it's a flavor
[21:47] <jphilips> yes flavor being an officially sanctioned remix of ubuntu
[21:47] <brainwash> remix?
[21:47] <brainwash> it does not add anything new, everything is in the ubuntu repository
[21:48] <jphilips> before you are an officially sanctioned flavor, you start of as a remix
[21:48] <jphilips> start off* as a remix
[21:48] <jphilips> presently there are remixes with cinnamon, deepin, unity and lumina
[21:49] <brainwash> Fedora has an official Xfce spin, but it's still Fedora
[21:50] <brainwash> or Manjaro Xfce
[21:50] <jphilips> yes fedora calls them spins
[21:50] <jphilips> manjaro has official ones (xfce, gnome, kde) and community ones
[21:51] <jphilips> well i've suggested the neofetch person to pull the flavor name from env like bluesabre suggested, hopefully that solves the issue with the logo appearing, which is all that i care for :D
[21:52] <jphilips> would be nice to get it in the grub screen as well, but definitely more challenging to do that it seems
[21:52] <brainwash> and if you start the Xfce session on a Xubuntu system?
[21:52] <Unit193> brainwash: Or if you install Xubuntu, then install KDE and kubuntu-default-settings?  Are you still booting into Xubuntu? :P
[21:52] <brainwash> right
[21:53] <brainwash> I wondered about that earlier too
[21:53] <brainwash> maybe the choice of boot splash determines what you are running :)
[21:54] <jphilips> your system would be xubuntu, but your DE would be KDE and WM would be KWin. these are all separately mentioned in neofetch
[21:55] <Unit193> Also isn't the Grub boot menu hidden by default anyway?
[21:55] <jphilips> not if you dual boot
[21:55] <Unit193> Ah.
[21:57] <Unit193> And I don't really agree with the last statement, and also wonder why 'neofetch' is the tell all here.  But whatever.
[21:57] <jphilips> its highly used when people share screenshots of their desktop, so its good PR for us to get our logo there :D
[21:58] <brainwash> ascii logo
[21:59] <jphilips> yep
[22:03] <jphilips> for those that didn't get a chance to give their input on the table of contents page of the documentation, please do when you get a chance https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KpmN_tCOHaDwQgNtqyyt6DqZ7M0xSMCNTadORcY_Whw/edit
[23:44] <jphilips> Unit193: from one of your twitter admirers "Xubuntu has the best metapackage for Xfce for sure (maybe meta from Arch is the tiniest)... All other distros force us to grab some apps I don't need (Debian task forces entire Libreoffice suite and some bulky Gnome stuff). Xubuntu has some focused work to make it shine." - https://twitter.com/UnixRat/status/1258151270122217472