[00:01] <OvenWerks> Let me know when it hits the ISO. I don't see anything else that is bad at the moment
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> Will do.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> So, I found out what's happening. Firefox is registering itself as the default for html, but then calibre is registering as default for xhtml+xml, which includes *.html files, which is tricking Plasma into thinking calibre as the default browser for the menu since it's first alphabetically. 
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to explicitly call for firefox to be in the menu.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> teward: New lsp-plugins at lp:lsp-plugins.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> 1.1.21 (apparently he skips even numbers?)
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> As for why I'm not doing it: E:NoRights E:AAsSlacking
[00:28] <OvenWerks> I like this line: "Distributions are strongly urged to package configuration files separately from Calamares itself, and to install them in /etc/calamares."
[00:28] <Eickmeyer> Yep, hence calamares-settings-ubuntu is a separate package.
[03:45] <testtester> .
[03:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Latest daily  (I forced a respin) doesn't have that bug where calibre is the default browser in the live session or after first boot, and I didn't have to specify the desktop file. I just had to tell Plasma which one should be the default.
[03:55] <OvenWerks> Cool, I found I needed to change about three settings to get everything to work right
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> This was the file I changed: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/usr/share/ubuntustudio/kf5-settings/kdeglobals
[03:56] <OvenWerks> Getting FF to be the browser was not so hard but then getting a right click on a URL in a terminal was something else.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> Just had to specify BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> Tomorrow might have the second wallpaper fixed.
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> My fix should take care of that.
[03:57] <OvenWerks> you are making me feel lazy
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> (the URL in the terminal)
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> hahaha
[03:59] <OvenWerks> I was hoping to find a dbus signal for headphone pine detect...
[03:59] <OvenWerks> but I am guessing I will have to make my own
[16:15] <petergk> ahooy
[16:15] <petergk> I have seen that UbuntuStudio will go for KDE Plasma in the next release
[16:15] <petergk> is it true?
[16:16] <eylul[m]> yep
[16:16] <petergk> hmm
[16:16] <petergk> so I need to drop the distro from my studio :<
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> petergk: Why?
[16:16] <petergk> kde is really tragic
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> Maybe during Plasma 4, but Plasma 5 is much better.
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> We took TWO YEARS to evaluate before making the decision.
[16:17] <petergk> I thought that's why you guys selected xfce,
[16:17] <petergk> for reduce unncessary power consumption, resource consumption
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> Xfce was selected to keep a consistent experience from GNOME 2 because MATE wasn't a thing yet.
[16:17] <petergk> I think the real value of the distro is the production capability
[16:18] <petergk> ok I got it
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Don't believe the myth that Plasma takes more resources. It does, by about 50MB.
[16:18] <petergk> ok, but is it as stable?
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Yes!
[16:18] <petergk> ok
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Has a larger community of developers too.
[16:18] <petergk> but I would like to thank you guys your work, it's the most useful distro on the market
[16:19] <petergk> I made my own small slax based distros to achieve that many years ago
[16:19] <petergk> but please be prepared, the kde plasma will pull out the plug at many artists
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> petergk: We've had more positive responses with the decision than negative.
[16:20] <petergk> still better than gnome....
[16:20] <petergk> interesting
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Are you here to contribute or complain?
[16:22] <petergk> I try to do both, with an honest opinion, as a person who is in the vfx/cgi industry for 16 years
[16:22] <petergk> I would gently say the move is concerning.
[16:23] <petergk> your stuff, your decision, I am just thankful for your distro beside  this
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> I'm a video producer for 18 years and a live audio engineer for 26 years.
[16:23] <petergk> nice
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> I look at every decision through that lens.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> So, if you think that your concerns haven't been met, I assure you they have.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> We are not using the biggest resource hog in Plasma: the akonadi PIM server. That's not part of the default setup, and will not be.
[16:23] <petergk> ok I trust you
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> We're also working with the Plasma developers to optimize it. I'm in constant communication with the upstream KDE community.
[16:24] <petergk> nice good to hear
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> So, believe me when I say we didn't make the decision lightly.
[16:25] <petergk> they made several good apps around kde community, they came out pretty well
[16:25] <petergk> I will also give it a try, as soon as I have a little time
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Kdenlive and Digikam are great examples.
[16:25] <petergk> krita
[16:25] <petergk> also
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> ^ That too.
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> And you know they're developing those apps using Plasma.
[16:26] <petergk> I have no idea :D
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> Well, they're KDE apps, so why wouldn't they?
[16:26] <petergk> I had so many bad experience with kde 12 years ago....
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> That was 12 years ago, during KDE 4. Plasma 5 is WAY different. It was rewritten from the ground up.
[16:27] <petergk> I have no idea what is the development pipeline there
[16:28] <petergk> qt was also not funny
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Qt != The Qt Company
[16:28] <petergk> we used openmotif and fltk....
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> There's an entire team of the KDE community dedicated to making sure Qt stays free.
[16:29]  * Eickmeyer has errands and other things to do today.
[16:30] <petergk> we will see.... :D
[16:30] <petergk> but thanks
[16:30] <petergk> and thank you for your work
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> You can feel free to try the daily images at https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd if you want to see. Bear in mind, it's far from done.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Ugh, he left.
[16:39] <eylul[m]> :)
[16:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it may have been useful to say: you can still have the same experience by installing xubuntu and adding Studio with ubuntustudio-installer.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> or lubuntu for even less resources
[16:44] <StevenJayCohen> <OvenWerks "Eickmeyer: it may have been usef"> Is the future of Studio ever to no longer be a flavor of its own and just focus on a seamless experience regardless of the flavor it is added to? Would that be less or more work?
[16:45] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: I think it would end up being more work.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Studio would no longer be a flavour and so not enjoy what little attention we get from the core development team now
[16:47] <OvenWerks> Being a flavour means we have a reason for keeping things in the repo that ub untu would like to drop 
[16:47] <StevenJayCohen> It just seems that the goal is different than the other flavors, so the desktop choice seems to be a distraction.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> As you can see from the discusion above, many people expect to just install and go.
[16:50] <StevenJayCohen> I think that's because it's a flavor instead of an option to add to an existing flavor by default. You shouldn't need to keep telling people they can install it on top of whatever *buntu they choose.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> some people are delighted by being able to put Studio on top of whatever, others not so much
[16:52] <OvenWerks> Also the live iso allows people to try tings out or even run on any old hardware that happens to be where they are right now. Studio in a pocket
[16:54] <StevenJayCohen> Not arguing that point. Since people do not know by default that they have the option to install studio into other flavors, there is a messaging issue. Why don't people know that it's possible? Especially with the KDE migration, getting them to understand that you are not removing their choice is more important.
[16:55]  * OvenWerks thinks that is not his department ;)
[16:55] <OvenWerks> but yes that is a good point
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: did we ever do a Studio on whatever flavour you want release statement?
[16:57] <StevenJayCohen> Why KDE? The Studio Team mostly default to KDE, and KDE has these benefits (1, 2, 3, etc) but Studio is unique among the flavors that it can be added to other flavors...
[16:57] <StevenJayCohen> Cue the Reeses Peanutbutter Cup commercial
[16:58] <StevenJayCohen> You got Studio in my XFCE! You got XFCE in my Studio!
[16:58] <StevenJayCohen> yadda... yadda... yadda... 
[17:00] <StevenJayCohen> Will Studio break *buntu? No! Studio adds media creation powers to any *buntu!
[17:00] <StevenJayCohen> Not just *buntu -- *buntu+STUDIO
[17:16] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: ok you've been pushed into doing PR
[17:16] <StevenJayCohen> Pushed? It seemed more like I jumped.
[17:16] <OvenWerks> (no such thing as hired here)
[18:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We did, quite some time ago. Maybe I need to just do one. 
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> As far as the response goes, the positive responses have been VERY positive, but the negative responses have been few and loud.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Where I have a problem is when people come into the development chat and tell us we're wrong. Unless they're willing to stick around and contribute and make it better, their words have no merit.
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> That guy clearly wasn't willing to stick around.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> I could see that
[18:05] <OvenWerks> Yeah one of those here is my (correct) opinion, fix it.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. That doesn't fly in a mertiocracy.
[18:14] <krytarik> Hah, funnily enough one could also say 12 years ago the experience with GNOME was really good, so it must be good still too! XD
[18:15] <OvenWerks> gnome is great.... if all you do is browse
[18:16] <OvenWerks> it is also great for a group of people for who search based workflows work well.
[18:16] <krytarik> Well tbh, it quite nicely fits my mom's bill anyway.
[18:16]  * OvenWerks doesn't happen to be one of those people
[18:16] <eylul[m]> gnome is optimized for casual/office user
[18:16] <eylul[m]> from what I can tell
[18:16] <OvenWerks> my search terms almost always turn up trash
[18:17] <eylul[m]> easy to use, intuitive hard for it to go wrong
[18:17] <eylul[m]> but the tradeoff for it is lack of customization often, and not being useful for power users
[18:17] <eylul[m]> plasma is very power users oriented, and creative person oriented
[18:18] <eylul[m]> and gives a lot of tools to adjust to your workflow rather than force its own
[18:18] <eylul[m]> different goals
[18:18] <eylul[m]> both are very successful solutions
[18:18] <eylul[m]> but there is a reason why we need both
[18:18] <eylul[m]> :))