[00:00] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: How do I use this cfg file?
[00:01] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Make a new file, /boot/grub/custom.cfg, in your Kubuntu 20.04 install with that contents. It will add a menuentry at boot that will allow you to boot from your 18.04 install. You can change the name of the menuentry however you'd like. You do *not* need to run update-grub after adding the file.
[00:03] <Jordan_U> For those that are curious, here is the file without the UUID: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6WMs8nRsd6/
[00:03] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: How will I get access to /boot/grub on sde1/sde2?
[00:03] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Can you boot your Kubuntu 20.04 install that's on sde?
[00:04] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: What kernel will it use to load the 18.04 OS? because I'm afraid there are no kernels anymore in the boot of 18.04
[00:05] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: Yes, I can boot it. But I don't want to be dependant on it forever (maybe it's going to continue creating problems and I would wish to return to my good old 18.04)
[00:05] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: It will use the kernels that are still in your /boot/ partition, which is sda2, not sda1. If you "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ && ls /mnt/" I think you'll find that it will list your kernels for 18.04.
[00:07] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: You're right! I do have them!
[00:08] <Neeknaim> So why can't I load 18.04 when the 20.04 drive isn't attached? Even if I choose in the boot menu to load the HD that contains 18.04
[00:10] <shinobi> Is VNC still the application of choice for remote sessions?
[00:11] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: My first guess is that you only have one EFI System Partition, and its /dev/sda1. If you don't have another EFI System Partition on sde then sde can't stand alone, and the Ubuntu installer might have overwritten 18.04's grub. (Ubuntu's installer can co-exist with other OSs / distributions, but other installs of Ubuntu will have the same bootloader name, and thus will get overwritten if they
[00:11] <Jordan_U> share the same ESP).
[00:12] <Neeknaim> What is "ESP"?
[00:12] <Neeknaim> EFI System Partition?
[00:13] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Yes.
[00:13] <Neeknaim> Can I make sde stand alone and sda stand alone, and they will load according to selection in boot menu?
[00:13] <Neeknaim> I mean in the bios's boot menu
[00:15] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Yes, though now that I think of it, they'll also (by default) overwrite each other's entries in your boot menu, for the same reason (They're both named "Ubuntu").
[00:16] <Neeknaim> Why aren't the named kubuntu 18.04 and kubuntu 20.04?!
[00:16] <Munsko> Because maybe they dont wanto to add  a K before each word called Ubuntu i think
[00:17] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: Is it reasonable that an OS on sde will write to the boot menu on sda and the OS on sda will write to the boot menu on sde?!
[00:17] <Munsko> I use Lubuntu and in my grub i see Ubuntu too
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: My most recent message wasn't referring to anything stored on any hard drive. Your boot firmware (on your motherboard) has a small bit of storage itself, and OSs register with the boot firmware and their entries are stored on your motherboard's storage.
[00:19] <Neeknaim> ohhhhh
[00:19] <Neeknaim> Now I get it
[00:19] <Neeknaim> I think
[00:20] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: I think if you edit GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR in /etc/default/grub that will be the name that will be used for the boot entry (in your boot firmware / motherboard). Just change it to something different for 20.04 and you should be fine. For example, GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="New Kubuntu".
[00:21] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: And I should do it from 20.04 or from 18.04?
[00:21] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: From 20.04.
[00:21] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: After loading 18.04, can I make it primary so that 20.04 boot will be dependant on 18.04 and not vice-versa?
[00:22] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Then run "sudo grub-install" (no other arguments) and it will install an entry named "New Kubuntu". *Then* use the custom.cfg entry I made for you to boot from 18.04. Once in 18.04 run "sudo grub-install" and 18.04 will install an entry named "Ubuntu", which will become the primary entry.
[00:24] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: As you get updates to 20.04 "grub-install" might be run again, and that might make 20.04 the default again, but you'll always be able to choose between the two with your boot firmware, and if you remove one drive then whatever drive is remaining will just boot without issue.
[00:26] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: And also when I get updates to 18.04 and it might become primary again?
[00:27] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Exactly.
[00:27] <Neeknaim> Should I be worried about the message that was shown when I did 'parted -l'? "Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.  Ignore/Cancel?"
[00:27] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: If it was referring to the LiveUSB, then no, you don't need to worry.
[00:29] <Neeknaim> I'm not sure if it was referring to the liveUSB or to the HD that was shown before the liveUSB
[00:31] <cluelessperson> hey there.
[00:31] <cluelessperson> does anyone know if there's an ubuntu caffeine alternative
[00:31] <cluelessperson> that allows you to disable lock, but not the screen off?
[00:31] <cluelessperson> I have an OLED I'm concerned about being on for long periods of time
[00:34] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: When loading 20.04, I see on the boot screen a quick message saying: "Initramfs unpacking failed: decoding failed" and it continues saying: ln/ /tmp/moutroot-fail-hooks.d/scripts/init-premount/lvm2: No such file or directory.    Volume group "vgkubuntu" not found.   Cannot process volume group vgkubuntu.     And then it asks for the partition password. Could this have caused the initial problem?
[00:34] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: It was referring to the USB drive. I just checked the output you pastebinned.
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: Not likely. Are you able to get paste that point and boot still?
[00:38] <Jordan_U> cluelessperson: You may need to make your own script that simply enables and disables locking the screen.
[00:38] <Neeknaim> If I type the password then yes. But if I reboot again, I get to a different minimal bash like line or to a message saying "reboot an select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key". I then have to completely shutdown the pc (restart doesn't help), and then I can load kubuntu 20.04 again
[00:41] <Neeknaim> parted
[00:42] <Neeknaim> oops
[00:45] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: in the /etc/default/grub file the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`. Should I completely change it to GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`New Kubuntu` or to GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="New Kubuntu"?
[00:53] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: ?
[01:15] <goddard> why do i have a yelp folder?
[01:19] <leftyfb> !info yelp | goddard
[01:25] <Munsko> !info firefox
[01:25] <Munsko> Oh
[01:25] <Munsko> Nice thing
[01:26] <Bashing-om> !ubottu | Munsko
[01:28] <Munsko> thanks or the info
[01:28] <goddard> ahh ok so not the yelp website
[01:35] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="New Kubuntu"
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Neeknaim: You may need to press escape during boot, or unhide the grub menu, to see the option to boot 18.04.
[01:38] <Neeknaim> Jordan_U: Thanks! I thought you've gone. I used the custom.cfg, entered 18.04 (!!!) and did an install-grub
[01:39] <Neeknaim> Now I don't know how to comeback to 20.04, but at least I can enter 18.04
[01:39] <Neeknaim> You think I should create a new cfg and put it in /boot/grub of 18.04? can grub-customizer help sort this mess?
[01:53] <Neeknaim> Well, I have to go now. Thanks Jordan_U for helping me fix this! I thought the OS is ruined and I almost resorted to doing stupid things. You saved me. Thank you again and goodbye.
[02:57] <olabaz> hi i need help
[02:58] <olabaz> i made a bash script that runs a command
[02:58] <olabaz> and i put it on the background
[02:58] <olabaz> by doing bash job.sh &
[02:58] <leftyfb> !enter | olabaz
[02:58] <olabaz> then i exited the server (i was on ssh) and the job keeps running. how can i kill it?
[02:59] <olabaz> running shopt gives: huponexit       off
[02:59] <leftyfb> olabaz: run: ps -ef |grep YOURSCRIPTNAMEGOESHERE
[03:00] <leftyfb> then kill it's PID by running : sudo kill -9 PID_GOES_HERE
[03:00] <olabaz> nothing comes up
[03:00] <olabaz> it's only my grep command
[03:00] <leftyfb> then it's not running
[03:00] <olabaz> I think i read that it's become orphaned and now running on init
[03:00] <olabaz> it is running because it keeps writing files
[03:01] <leftyfb> olabaz: what is the command/service that is running files exactly?
[03:01] <leftyfb> sorry, writing, not running
[03:01] <olabaz> https://pastebin.com/sTupUAr3
[03:02] <olabaz> this is the job.sh that I ran
[03:02] <olabaz> unfortunately i forgot to change the loop condition
[03:02] <olabaz> and it's running forever
[03:03] <leftyfb> ps -ef |grep runProgLyapJobArray.sh
[03:03] <olabaz> only shows grep command
[03:03] <olabaz> az282    39339 24004  0 23:03 pts/34   00:00:00 grep --color=auto runProgLyapJobArray.sh
[03:03] <leftyfb> sbatch?
[03:03] <olabaz> same
[03:03] <leftyfb> what's the contents of runProgLyapJobArray.sh?
[03:04] <leftyfb> keep going down the line, you'll find something
[03:04] <leftyfb> otherwise, reboot
[03:04] <olabaz> hmm I can't reboot it's not my server
[03:05] <olabaz> how f-ed am I?
[03:06] <leftyfb> olabaz: ps -ef |grep az282
[03:06] <leftyfb> that'll show you all processes running under your user
[03:07] <leftyfb> kill them all except the shell you're currently in
[03:07] <olabaz> I see this
[03:07] <olabaz> root     23912 47865  0 22:36 ?        00:00:00 sshd: az282 [priv]
[03:07] <olabaz> az282    24001 23912  0 22:36 ?        00:00:00 sshd: az282@pts/34
[03:07] <olabaz> az282    24004 24001  0 22:36 pts/34   00:00:00 -bash
[03:07] <olabaz> az282    41888 24004  0 23:07 pts/34   00:00:00 ps -ef
[03:07] <olabaz> az282    41889 24004  0 23:07 pts/34   00:00:00 grep --color=auto az282
[03:08] <leftyfb> you've muted yourself. Please use pastebin for more than 1 line going forward. You'll be unmuted momentarily
[03:09] <leftyfb> looks like there are no processes running under your username. If it's running as root, that might be a bigger problem
[03:09] <olabaz> indeed
[03:09] <leftyfb> if it was definitely running under your user, then there really shouldn't be anything writing files, not from your script anyway
[03:10] <olabaz> yes I even had a process id when i put to bg but it doesn't exist anymore
[03:11] <olabaz> leftyfb: az282$ bash job_check.sh &[1] 41540
[03:12] <olabaz> but then it says: -bash: kill: (41540) - No such process
[03:12] <leftyfb> olabaz: you can try using lsof to track down what is writing to a file ... maybe
[03:13] <olabaz> how do I use that?
[03:14] <leftyfb> sudo lsof /path/to/file
[03:14] <olabaz> here's what I get https://pastebin.com/1qAaHura
[03:14] <olabaz> when I do lsof | grep az282
[03:17] <olabaz> leftyfb: wait I think it just popped up
[03:18] <olabaz> i killed my bash session and then the 41540 job showed up
[03:27] <olabaz> ok, everything seems fine now....phew
[05:50] <chl_> I have a wierd issue.. Ever since upgrading to 20.04 chrome locks my super button. Cant use it while in chrome :/ Anyone had this problem before and solved it?
[06:10] <Saurabh009> Hi, I am having some issues related to Network Manager. I can set static IP from the nmtui tool but I can't set the IP from the nm-applet.
[06:10] <Saurabh009> Any idea where to look for it?
[06:53] <dorfen> hi, ubuntu 20.04 last updates changed all my keybindings. Super+arrowkeys no longer moved a window around but instead switches between open windows. I've got most keybinds working again from settings, but the window movement/split keybindings is not working. I can get super+left working until i reboot, then it is back to window switching. How do i fix this?
[06:53] <ducasse> chl_: chrome is not really supported here, as it's not in the ubuntu repos. you might get lucky and get a response, though.
[07:16] <toffe> Hi guys! I have a problem I've had a while now. When starting a software like IntelliJ my two external monitors craps out. Using CTRl+ALT+F3 to enter a TTY they come back. If i kill -9 all intellij processes then go back to ctrl+alt+f2 it works again. Any idea on where to start? Last time I fixed it by upgrading to 20.04, but after a while i started happening the exact same way as 19.10 was.
[07:16] <toffe> The screens are still active as sharing them in a video conferance while they are dead i can still see them. It is just "no signal" on the monitors. kinda weird
[07:17] <toffe> Laptop monitor works perfectly all the time, and moving the mouse indicates it moves on the screen while sharing them on video conferance
[07:54] <ubone> how to boot with an older linux version on a vps if a newer linux version doesn't work
[07:54] <Woet> are you referring to the kernel?
[07:54] <ubone> yes
[07:55] <Woet> you select the other one in the GRUB menu (if it's still installed)
[07:55] <ubone> vps
[07:55] <Woet> same answer
[07:55] <ubone> i don't see grub
[07:55] <Woet> use the console
[07:55] <ubone> what console
[07:55] <Woet> it should be there during the boot sequence
[07:55] <Woet> ask your hosting provider
[07:56] <ubone> how many older kernels does ubuntu keep
[07:59] <ducasse> 2 by default
[07:59] <ducasse> ubone: you can also use grub-set-default
[08:46] <ikonia> mohnish_: bios machine, as in no EFI, your /boot partition or a bios boot partition are you talking about
[08:47] <mohnish_> yeah, I'm talking about a bios machine, and what the boot process it follows with mbr partitioning
[08:48] <ikonia> mohnish_: sorry, I'm not sure what your question actually is ?
[08:49] <mohnish_> it's just that, I wanted to know what the boot process is, from powering on to starting the kernel in a bios machine with mbr partitioning
[08:50] <ikonia> mohnish_: talk to the guys in ##hardware
[08:50] <ikonia> that's not really an ubuntu issue
[08:51] <mohnish_> oh, I was just curious, wasn't an issue, but thanks :)
[09:12] <konrad__> what about my question? :)
[09:23] <dTal> forgotmynick: create a file in /tmp ?
[09:30] <ocean> konrad__: not sure, just a hint: you could check Settings > Accessibility > keyboard tab if "Use slow keys" might be ticked
[09:33] <konrad__> ocean, thanks, but no :( it's not ticked
[09:33] <konrad__> my keyboard is absourdly slow o.O
[10:00] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[10:01] <luna_> hi
[10:23] <ayaka_> I have a problem with nvidia proprietary driver in X
[10:23] <ayaka_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8TxRJBFQhn/
[10:24] <ayaka_> I can't disable that Intel graphics card(card0) in UEFI/BIOS
[10:24] <ayaka_> but the Xorg log doesn't tell me why it exists, without any obvious error
[10:53] <leeyaa> hi guys
[10:53] <leeyaa> does this restart ssh? if yes, is it possible to make it not restart ssh? apt-get --force-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" --force-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -fuy dist-upgrade
[11:04] <EriC^^> leeyaa: why?
[11:05] <leeyaa> EriC^^ for some reason when i run upgrades via ansible sometimes ssh stops working https://bpa.st/5U7A
[11:05] <EriC^^> oh
[11:06] <echoSMILE> Hi, what this means at dmesg: Bluetooth: hci0: unexpected event for opcode 0xfc2f
[11:08] <EriC^^> leeyaa: i wonder if there's a timer you could add, i think it's trying to connect while ssh is still restarting, sorry cant be of more help
[11:23] <leeyaa> EriC^^ i think its just timeouting while ssh is getting upgraded or something. gonna try with longer timeout
[11:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:26] <EriC^^> leeyaa: usually the ssh connection doesnt get affected by ssh daemon being restarted
[11:26] <EriC^^> (the connected session)
[11:30] <akik> leeyaa: ansible also has wait_for_connection to wait that it's available for commands again
[11:39] <wenzel62> hi, I think there is an issue with Ubuntu's Slack Snap package
[11:39] <leeyaa> akik yeah im playing with that too
[11:39] <wenzel62> Using the app, I can't upload a file to Slack, the path received seems to be empty as the Slack error message says
[11:40] <wenzel62> so I think there is a Snap restrictions that needs to be relaxed here
[11:53] <pragomer> hi. I got a question about a snap program that seems to have permission problems. is there a specific "snap" irc channel?
[11:59] <xet7> pragomer: Ask at https://forum.snapcraft.io in snap category about that particular snap
[11:59] <ikonia> pragomer: keep in mind as well if it's an ubuntu snap, or a snap delivered by someone else
[12:00] <xet7> pragomer: if it's about snap in general, ask at snapd catecogory of forum
[12:00] <hollusion> having issues with audio
[12:01] <hollusion> i muted audio via the top left audio controls
[12:01] <hollusion> but i can still hear audio playing
[12:01] <hollusion> i might have multiple soundsystems running at the same time? how can i check?
[12:03] <hollusion> or how do i check which audio driver is currently running? alsa/pulse etc
[12:04] <mgedmin> 99% it's pulse
[12:05] <BluesKaj> you may have multiple instances of media players running
[12:05] <mgedmin> but pulse lets you set different volumes for different outputs ("sinks")
[12:05] <pragomer> xet7: oh, of course snapd... I forgot the "d" at the end LOL..... the issue is about the program "remarkable".. the markdown editor.. it does not run on 20.04, only prior versions at the moment. And the snap version has issues..
[12:05] <mgedmin> and it lets you move application sounds to different outputs
[12:05] <mgedmin> and I hear 20.04 had some bugs with apps not switching to the right default output when you e.g. plug/unplug headphones
[12:06] <mgedmin> if gnome-control-center's sound panel is insufficient you may want to install and try out pavucontrol
[12:18] <hollusion> i will try that, thank you
[12:42] <AlligatorJoe> fuck you fuckin money makin motherfuckers....you god damn bastards owe the 5 of us trillions of dollars in royalties for our model 1 ideas and none of you goddamn money making motherfuckers have paid the royalties you owe us
[12:44] <AlligatorJoe> we are still waiting for our money and we want every fuckin dime of the trillions of dollars you money making motherfuckers owe the 5 of us
[12:44]  * vlt keeps his 2 cents
[12:45] <AlligatorJoe> don't 2 cent me if you are one of those goddamn multinational corporations making millions of dollars off of our model 1 ideas
[12:45] <AlligatorJoe> fuck that shit...we want our money
[12:46] <ogra> !ops ?
[12:46] <ogra> !ops
[12:46] <ogra> even though i'd love to know who "we" is :P
[12:46] <BluesKaj> ogra, don't feed the troll please
[12:47] <AlligatorJoe> ogra...me ...Dr. Hademenos...Bob Bayes...David Tausworth...Sharon and Les and Pete Hademenos
[12:47] <ogra> thanks hggdh !
[12:48] <hggdh> ogra: always my pleasure to help you :-)
[12:48] <ogra> :D
[13:38] <kenperkins> I can't get my media keys (play, next, prev) to work, no matter what I do
[13:40] <kenperkins> I was able to hack "next" to work via a custom shortcut and using dbus-send, but it won't let me bind anything to stop, prev, or play/pause
[13:40] <kenperkins> i've removed the gnome defaults in /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys
[13:41] <kenperkins> but I can't figure out what else to do
[13:43] <mgedmin> the only media key I have is a button on my bluetooth headset, and it just works out of the box -- provided I use a media player that supports MPRIS2
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> !info playerctl | kenperkins try this
[13:43] <mgedmin> (e.g. youtube in chromium)
[13:54] <kenperkins> hm, I've installed it but it didn't appear to do anything
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: maybe this can help to setup: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/fix-media-keys-not-working-on-linux/
[14:01] <makara> help me. My company is mandating that I use hyper-v host and run ubuntu in a vm. Im angry as hell. Any suggesting on reducing the hyper-v footprint to absolute minimal while maximising my Ubuntu desktop experience?
[14:03] <ecbrown> you could run your life out of emacs in a terminal window
[14:04]  * ecbrown invokes the spirit of rodney dangerfield: "what? what?"
[14:04] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: in that regard, playerctl works fine, but it doesn't let me bind the keys on my keyboard to commands
[14:04] <memoryleak> makara, are we talking server machine?
[14:05] <kenperkins> I see the keydown in `showkey -k` but I can't bind them (other than the next button)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: did you follow that tutorial under gnome shell on that link?
[14:05] <makara> memoryleak: its my workstation laptop. I am happy to run ubuntu server on it
[14:06] <memoryleak> So they asking you do install hyper-v first, to run ubuntu then?
[14:06] <makara> memoryleak: they say the host must be "windows"
[14:06] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: yes, but with dbus-send commands. The problem isn't the command; when (in gnome settings->add custom shortcut->press key combination) the stop, prev, and play/pause keys aren't recognized (i.e. nothing happens when trying to bind a keystroke)
[14:06] <makara> for insurance purposes
[14:07] <memoryleak> makara, well company policy is usually company policy, doesn't matter how stupid it is :)
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: i see, do you see some acpi issues on your dmesg? what brand of pc is this?
[14:08] <makara> memoryleak: i don't get that mindset. Its not the word of god we're talking about
[14:08] <memoryleak> I would quite frankly just leave a company like that, did that in the past
[14:08] <caixavirt> makara, can you use virtualbox instead of hyper-v?
[14:08] <makara> caixavirt: the host os must be windows
[14:09] <makara> memoryleak: me too. Not this one though
[14:09] <memoryleak> makara, why not use the windows substystem?
[14:09] <caixavirt> install windows, install virtualbox, install whatever as a vm
[14:09] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: custom build; let me look at dmesg
[14:09] <makara> yeah, with half the resources. I did that the first 2 years
[14:10] <makara> why virtualbox when I can hyper-v
[14:10] <caixavirt> I thought hyperv was like vmware esxi that takes over the whole system where you then install vms on it.  That seems like overkill for running vms on a laptop
[14:10] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: nothing jumps out as obvious in dmesg
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: check your biosdate also in dmesg plz?
[14:10] <kenperkins> I see the correct keycodes when using showkeys and pressing all 4 of them
[14:11] <makara> i need gnome3 guys. I'm not working in Windows GUI
[14:11] <oerheks> grinn, WSL is never meant to run a gnome3 desktop
[14:12] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: help me out a tad there; what's biosdate in dmesg? I grepped but nada
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: pastebin the whole output please?
[14:13] <kenperkins> surely
[14:14] <kenperkins> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DkqFqTP4Wb/
[14:14] <oerheks> sudo dmidecode | grep Release
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: what kind of kernel are you running there?
[14:14] <akik> makara: you can run a desktop with wsl. it basically is just needing to install the x window server on windows side and setting the DISPLAY variable and some other things
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> oh popos!
[14:15] <oerheks> jups, Pop_OS
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: you might need to goto popos irc support for help
[14:15] <akik> makara: not sure if you're able to run gnome 3 but xfce worked fine
[14:15] <kenperkins> sorry; this is the same problem on my 20.04 ubuntu, just booted into pop atm
[14:15] <kenperkins> i thought they were mostly the same :S
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> ye ye
[14:16] <caixavirt> is see that you can make vms with hyperv in window 10.  Never knew that.
[14:16] <kenperkins> there is no pop channel so far as I know, but sorry for asking in the wrong place
[14:17] <caixavirt> There's probably a way you can have your vm start up in full screen right after you log in to windows
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: https://chat.pop-os.org/
[14:18] <oerheks> again, WSL is never meant to run a gnome3 desktop, and has nothing to do with ubuntu support, try the wsl channel?
[14:18] <kenperkins> bleh.
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: see also, https://support.system76.com/
[14:18] <kenperkins> i don't want a webapp for chat
[14:18] <kenperkins> well sorry for bugging you
[14:21] <makara> caixavirt: i don't want to log into windows. The guest os should start automagic
[14:22] <akik> it's so funny to read these messages from year to year
[14:22] <oerheks> wipe windows, install ubuntu?
[14:23] <makara> akik: i am so done screwing around with dual systems like that. Even if I get the gui working (which I don't need, i can sshfs in from my own machine) I wouldn't have disk/network freedom i need
[14:23] <akik> wsl has 100% the same ubuntu packages than ubuntu installed outside wsl
[14:23] <makara> wsl hasn't been around that long
[14:24] <makara> akik: why would I use wsl and not multipass?
[14:25] <akik> makara: if you don't want to use dual boot, then install ubuntu as the main os on that machine. i have no idea what multipass is
[14:25] <makara> oh sure, install ubuntu as the main os. Why didn't I think of that?!?
[14:26] <akik> makara: oh right. do as your employer tells you to do
[14:31] <makara> what's the workaround for an unclickable, undismissable authentication dialog?
[14:32] <oerheks> grinn, desktop issue on wsl, we love those
[14:32] <oerheks> what have you found sofar?
[14:33] <oerheks> !wsl
[14:33] <EriC^^> makara: you could try "xkill"
[14:34] <EriC^^> makara: not sure if it would close the parent aaplication though, test first
[14:37] <akik> you can be sure that if you go asking about wsl problems on ##windows, they'll say go away
[14:39] <makara> oerheks: my present issue is gnome3 20.04. New subject
[14:39] <makara> EriC^^: it killed the windows behind it
[14:41] <makara> EriC^^: `sudo xkill` didn't help
[14:42] <ioria> makara, restart gnome-shell ; alt+fe, press 'r' ; enter
[14:42] <ioria> *alt+f2
[14:46] <makara> ioria: impressive ;)
[14:46] <makara> THIS IS WHY I FKING LUV UBUNTU
[14:52] <caixavirt> I have been testing zfs during the 20.04 install then reboot and then sgdisk -R disk1 disk2 and then dd disk1p1 to disk3p1 then use zpool attach bpool disk1p3 disk2p3 and zpool attach rpool disk1p4 disk2p4 and have removed each disk and the system boot fine.
[14:53] <caixavirt> I have also test luks encryption on disk2p4 and adding that using the zpool attach rpool disk1p4 disk2p4 and then works for booting, but then I can't remove a disk.  It keeps failing with disk1 missing or if disk2 is missing it fails not being able to find the luks disk
[14:54] <caixavirt> Is there a way to make both disks luks and have the system continue if either disk is missing?
[14:55] <bindi> 20.04 zfs has native encryption
[14:56] <caixavirt> bindi, hmm.  I didn't think it had yet
[14:57] <unknownTX> So, if i have an external usb drive that has a NTFS filesystem - and when i plug it in, i can read/write just fine -- when i create an automount addition to fstab, do i need to use ntfs-3g still?? This is 20.04 without having installed ntfs-3g
[14:58] <Saviq> makara: WSL is much more tightly integrated with the host OS - Multipass instances are completely isolated, you can have multiple of those, too
[14:58] <Saviq> depends on your use case, really
[15:00] <caixavirt> bindi, I found this and I'll try it: https://linsomniac.gitlab.io/post/2020-04-09-ubuntu-2004-encrypted-zfs/
[15:00] <caixavirt> Thanks!
[15:00] <oerheks> unknownTX, ntfs tools are standard installed, something like this;  UUID=0123456789 /mnt/point ntfs rw,auto,user,fmask=133,dmask=022,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[15:03] <unknownTX> thank you. i created the entry in fstab and didnt have ntfs and of course it wasnt working so just thought id ask . thanks
[15:04] <unknownTX> so also... using auto as type will not work on a ntfs drive then, correct?
[15:23] <no_gravity> Does crontab use the same time that "date" outputs?
[15:23] <leftyfb> yes
[15:25] <no_gravity> Ok, thanks!
[15:35] <rapha> Hi!
[15:35] <no_gravity> Yo rapha
[15:36] <rapha> Is it possible that the info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto is outdated for 20.04? (It doesn't seem to be using upstart anymore?)
[15:39] <younder> upstart hasent bben used since 16.04
[15:40] <younder> Today you would have to use systemd commands.
[15:41] <rapha> younder: okay, so what's the 20.04-way of enabling a serial console? (preferably one that is shared with VT0)
[15:43] <younder> raphs I use screen: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-linux-screen/
[15:44] <leftyfb> rapha: enable and start the serial-getty@ttyS0.service service
[15:52] <rapha> THAT was easy! Thank you, leftyfb! :-D
[15:53] <rapha> Hmm, unfortunately can't edit the Wiki without creating an account.
[15:58] <caixavirt> bindi, thanks for the tip.  I now have encrypted zfs on rpool and bpool and rpool are mirror-0!  I also tested removing each ssd and the system still boots!  Thanks!
[15:59] <bindi> caixavirt: cool :)
[16:03] <arooni> Google Chrome 81.0.4044.138 -- on ubuntu 18.04 doesn't seem to launch when installed.  it worked one time but after restarting my computer when i try to launch it from the terminal i get no output.
[16:05] <oerheks> i wonder why launch chrome from terminal, it is silly
[16:05] <oerheks> it should work, though; google-chrome
[16:16] <sumagna> is python3-pip installed along with python3?
[16:16] <oerheks> !info python3-pip
[16:16] <oerheks> but you were already answered, it is not standard
[16:16] <sumagna> by default?
[16:17] <oerheks> .. is optional
[16:17] <sumagna> ok
[16:23] <coconut> sumagna, apt-cache show python3 #will tell you that
[16:23] <joelmo> i want to read the source for the Ubuntu app in windows store, is it open?
[16:23] <sumagna> ok
[16:23] <ioria> arooni,  try to backup or remove the ~/.config/google-chrome directory
[16:23] <thyriaen> Hiho, i am looking for the easiest way to periodically run a simple command and display its result in the top panel ( using gnome ) - can someone toss me some ideas what tools to use ?
[16:23] <arooni> ioria: i ddi try that exact thing a few times; it seemed to load fine after that but after a restart didn't work.  i'm hoping the google-chrome-beta package will work well enough till 'stable' seems fixed
[16:24] <ioria> arooni,  can you check the directory permissions ?
[16:28] <arooni> ioria: i checked to make sure i owned everything there; and even ran a chown -R arooni:arooni on it
[16:28] <ioria> arooni,  and is it persistent after restart ?
[16:28] <arooni> ioria: yeah unfortunately;  at least the beta version seems to be running ok for now
[16:28] <arooni> i want to like firefox but i've gotten so use to chrome
[16:28] <ioria> arooni,  ok
[16:28] <coconut> joelmo, reading sources of apps available for ubuntu from a windows store does not add up.
[17:10] <joelmo> coconut: i was looking for sources for WSL Distro Launcher. i found debians now
[17:10] <coconut> joelmo, you will have to do something with microsoft/windows then. I am not sure what then.
[17:10] <shinobi> What do people use for remoting desktop these days?
[17:10] <leftyfb> !ot | shinobi
[17:11] <oerheks> polling..  use the standard vino, ssh, or some 3rd party tool?
[17:12] <coconut> joelmo, they might know more on ##windows-wsl for that
[17:12] <pyzozord> hey i was asking yesterday about ibus-ui-gtk3 weird vertical bar that was on my screen. Turns out good old rm -rf .profile .xinputrc and new copy from /etc/skel did the job
[17:13] <pyzozord> I guess I had some custom ibus config that was triggering it to opent that strange ibus-ui-gtk3 thingy
[17:18] <jfcaron> My "/dev/mapper/ul" file system filled up when trying to do a backup to /dev/sdb1.  I have 0 bytes free now on my system drive.  When I do sudo du -sh /*, none of the directories are big enough to have filled my system drive.  Why is it full?
[17:18] <jfcaron> (18.04 LTS)
[17:18] <sarnold> jfcaron: df -h and df -i are better tools for determining how full a filesystem is
[17:18] <jfcaron> sarnold: df -h says /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-root is 100% full (467GB), this is my primary partition on a 500GB drive.  df -i says only 3% of the inodes are used.
[17:18] <jfcaron> I still don't know what is taking up all that space.
[17:19] <sarnold> jfcaron: aha, okay, so if inodes aren't it.. ncdu is handy for drilling into specific directories, and du -x  is very handy for restricting your view to the one filesystem you care about at the moment
[17:20] <sarnold> jfcaron: but ncdu, du, etc rely upon *current* directory entries -- if a process has *huge* open files that are deleted, they will continue to take up a lot of free space in the filesystem, but not show up in ls output, ncdu or du output, etc
[17:20] <sarnold> jfcaron: you can try lsof to figure out which files might be deleted but still open
[17:21] <jfcaron> That's a lot of open files...
[17:23] <iKarus987> Hi guys is there away i can install mouse software ? i baught logitch mouse and i need to install software inorder to control its settings
[17:30] <giaco> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 18.04, 4.15.0-99-generic, Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[17:31] <iKarus987> sarnold i am mostly interested in setting the polling rate
[17:31] <iKarus987> that's it
[17:31] <CoolerY> what is up
[17:31] <CoolerY> with 20.04
[17:31] <CoolerY> is there any reason to upgrade?
[17:34] <giaco> lotuspsychje: but as I said the ethernet card works perfecly in other contexts, it seems a networkmanager problem to me
[17:34] <oerheks> CoolerY, why do you ask?
[17:34] <CoolerY> I have 18.04
[17:34] <oerheks> wait for 20.04.1
[17:34] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> giaco: perhaps try to catch journalctl -f errors on the dropping, pastebin to the volunteers
[17:34] <CoolerY> I am asking what's new
[17:34] <CoolerY> is there a reason to upgrade?
[17:34] <oerheks> see releasenotes?
[17:34] <sarnold> CoolerY: release notes are here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[17:35] <giaco> lotuspsychje: journalctl -f doesn't output anything relevant when ip drop happens. But not 100% about this, so I'm re-creating the problem context now to search more info
[17:35] <giaco> lotuspsychje: thanks for helping
[17:35] <coconut> CoolerY, there is if you really want to have the newest packages... but you use an LTS, do that would be the case then right?
[17:35] <coconut> not*
[17:36] <oerheks> stupid newest packages, use the stable ones
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> giaco: when did it start to drop? after an update?
[17:36] <jfcaron> Is it normal for "lsof" to list thousands of files?
[17:36] <sarnold> jfcaron: yes
[17:36] <sarnold> 201650
[17:36] <sarnold> holy moly
[17:36] <jfcaron> I get 284677
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> bleachbit to the rescue :p
[17:37] <mgedmin> jfcaron: use something like `lsof | grep -i del` to list only _deleted_ files
[17:37] <sarnold> I don't run a desktop environment, so I expected rather less than that :D
[17:37] <jfcaron> It also says WARNING: can't stat() tracefs file system /sys/kernel/debug/tracing Output information may be incomplete.
[17:37] <sarnold> jfcaron: yeah, that's probably fine to ignore in this case
[17:37] <mgedmin> that's fine, ignore anythng in /sys, those are virtual files and they don't take any disk space
[17:38] <jfcaron> lsof|grep -i 'del'|wc finds 43624 files.
[17:38] <giaco> lotuspsychje: no, quite long ago. Probably the problem was already there when I used this setup (Internet via wifi, direct connectio via eth) the first time. It took me a while to blame networkmanager instead of the device/cable I was working on, but all I have to do to "temporary" fix is nmcli c down <connection name> and up
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> giaco: how are you sure its nm fault?
[17:40] <mgedmin> jfcaron: if you don't have time for this, rebooting will free all the space taken up by deleted files
[17:40] <mgedmin> jfcaron: if you do have time, look up which column of lsof is the pid, then see what that process is
[17:40] <mgedmin> killing the process will also free disk space
[17:40] <giaco> lotuspsychje: I've just recreated the problem and I got journalctl output. It drops static ip and starts DHCPDISCOVER. Let me paste the output
[17:41] <jfcaron> mgedmin: Thanks.  I wasn't sure about rebooting in case the disk is actually full and somehow has trouble booting because of it.
[17:41] <mgedmin> but also it's an opportunity to report a bug maybe?  filling up all disk space with tens of thousands of deleted files? seems bad?
[17:41] <mgedmin> oh yeah, good instinct
[17:41] <giaco> lotuspsychje: May 19 17:39:10 linuxbox dhclient[6211]: DHCPDISCOVER on eno2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20 (xid=0xbf0fc914)
[17:41] <CoolerY> is there some visible improvement between 18.04 to 20.04?
[17:41] <jfcaron> mgedmin: Yes, this happened when I ran rdiff-backup (though it worked OK before...)
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | CoolerY
[17:42] <CoolerY> "Built in support for the WireGuard VPN. "
[17:42] <oerheks> CoolerY, we do not know your hardware, only you can tell
[17:42] <jfcaron> Anyone got a super keen one-liner for asking lsof|grep 'DEL' to count occurence of each command or PID? ^_^
[17:42] <CoolerY> why?
[17:43] <oerheks> why what?
[17:43] <CoolerY> why build in support for a VPN
[17:43] <CoolerY> what does that even mean?
[17:43] <CoolerY> was it not possible to use WireGuard before?
[17:44] <oerheks> you know very well, it is in the kernel now.
[17:44] <mgedmin> so sometimes lsof shows deleted files with a DEL in some column, and sometimes it shows them by appending (deleted) at the end of the filename, and does anyone know when it does what?
[17:44] <CoolerY> support for all VPNs?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> giaco: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[17:44] <CoolerY> or just WireGuard?
[17:44] <giaco> lotuspsychje: because it is my networkmanager
[17:44] <giaco> lotuspsychje: k
[17:45] <CoolerY> They even link to a page that doesn't exist https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WireGuard
[17:45] <CoolerY> "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. "
[17:45] <sarnold> feel free to create it then :)
[17:46] <CoolerY> is it part of some sort of partnership that Canonical has with WireGuard?
[17:46] <CoolerY> like with Amazon
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> CoolerY: please dont use this channel for discussions
[17:47] <buru> Can I ask you a question, returning to Ubuntu want to do a minimal iso isntall. But notice they're are not uefi compatible (and latest 20.04 is not available)
[17:47] <oerheks> CoolerY, this is not cool.
[17:47] <buru> Would installing the server iso work the same?
[17:48] <buru> I just want ubuntu package ecosystem without a DE.. Well I should have clarified that since start (To avoid XY problem).
[17:49] <mgedmin> yeah, server install should work fine
[17:49] <giaco> lotuspsychje: it would be a 10 days system log with tons of audit line
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> giaco: if you dont mind, i dont mind :p
[17:51] <oerheks> buru, yes, use server and install any desktop/service you like
[17:51] <giaco> lotuspsychje: should I mind? What kind of personal information are in there?
[17:51] <giaco> I'd prefer not. I can re-create the problem and just extract the relevant portion
[17:51] <stdedos> Has anyone solved that unending weirdness with Win10 "home pc" Samba Share and Nautilus? I've been trying to use `mount.cifs` as a workaround, but then I am getting network timeouts between laptop sleeps which render system unusable
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> giaco: dmesg doesnt hold personal info, just system info
[17:56] <buru> mgedmin, thank you!
[17:57] <leolove> Hello. Anyone using microk8s? I would like to ask if its possible to have multiple master nodes for HA? I am planning to deploy 3 master and 7 worker nodes K8s cluster
[17:57] <giaco> lotuspsychje: paste service refures the upload. Can I grep -v "audit"?
[17:58] <giaco> lotuspsychje: are 28595 vs 66502 lines
[17:58] <oerheks> leolove, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> giaco: your dmesg has 66502 lines?
[17:59] <leolove> Okay thank oerheks
[18:00] <giaco> lotuspsychje: yes
[18:03] <wedr> any way to be able to use the mouse to double-click and select a word, instead of a full sentence?  Like, for this sentence "apple.barn", if you double click on the "barn", you will highlight "apple", the period, and the "barn".
[18:03] <wedr> I just wanted the "barn", not the whole sentence.
[18:03] <oerheks> press your left mouse key, and wipe over 'barn' ??
[18:03] <oerheks> like in windows/mac/ubuntu ...
[18:04] <giaco> lotuspsychje: I think I'll go to gnome/freedesktop people to address this. Thanks for the help
[18:05] <jfcaron> mgedmin, sarnold: killing the processes/closing the programs that had lots (hundreds..) of open deleted files freeed up ~3GB of space on the disk.
[18:05] <jfcaron> I will try rebooting now.
[18:05] <sarnold> jfcaron: that's a bit, anyway...
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> giaco: you suspect gnome for a networking problem?
[18:08] <giaco> lotuspsychje: freedesktop/networkmanager
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> giaco: its your system, you are the boss but i would go for deeper investigation, digging dmesg, trying different kernels on your realtek,..
[18:10] <giaco> lotuspsychje: here's the story from journalctl -n 100 point of view, from physical eth cable replug, to manual ip set to 192.168.0.66, to automatic drop of that static ip in favor of nothing ("ip a" shows link up on eth but no ip address assigned) http://ix.io/2mJk
[18:11] <giaco> lotuspsychje: I'd say again that is a network manager issue, as you can see dhcpclient is spinning here where absolutely no dhcp is requested. Ethernet connection is set to "static ip" 192.168.0.66
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> giaco: if you are 100% certain its a nm fault, please file a !bug against
[18:12] <giaco> eth keep 192.168.0.66 until dhcpclient goes timeout and commits creatieve things
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> giaco: do you recall any point in the past on kernel 4.15.* it was working well?
[18:13] <jfcaron> mgedmin, sarnold: It was scary for a bit, I rebooted but couldn't get past the DE login screen, it just resetted itself.  did Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get a text console and df -h still said my drive was full.
[18:14] <jfcaron> mgedmin, sarnold: So I unplugged all peripherals (this is a laptop), including the external hard drive I was originally trying to back up to, rebooted again, and noticed that /media/ still held ~350GB of stuff~
[18:14] <sarnold> jfcaron: dang :(
[18:14] <sarnold> jfcaron: YES!
[18:14] <jfcaron> mgedmin, sarnold: So it turns out the problem WAS rdiff-backup, it was making a backup to /media/'Work Backup', but this was just a normal directory in /, NOT on the external drive
[18:15] <sarnold> jfcaron: it's been ages since I've seen this happen :( sorry to not think of it earlier ;(
[18:15] <jfcaron> So after rm -f ing that directory I was able to log in to the DE.  Fewf.
[18:15] <jfcaron> No worries, thanks for the help.
[18:15] <jfcaron> I learned a bit about lsof. =p
[18:15] <sarnold> even with the 'external drive' hint sitting right there in the channel....
[18:15] <sarnold> jfcaron: thanks so much for reporting back :D
[18:16] <jfcaron> And I guess du -sh /* was telling the truth, but when I saw the /media/ entry I just ignored it cuz I thought it was external.
[18:22] <fevix> Pretty sure this isn't the right place for this, but I'm having trouble running a MInecraft server on Ubuntu. This server runs fine on Windows, but transferring it to Ubuntu leads to it just not launching. Can someone either help or direct me to the proper channel?
[18:23] <giaco> lotuspsychje: I use this setup (wifi internet, eth for developing on local device) only at times. I've been skipping the problem by re-clicking on the static connection name on the taskbar for months
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> giaco: another test you can try, is moving to the !HWE kernel see if it can help your troubles
[18:28] <giaco> lotuspsychje: why this obsession with the kernel? Problem is clearly dhcpclient operating on static connection. Who is controlling dhcp and connection configurations? NetworkManager. I don't see how changing kernel would make dhcpclient stopping from spinning up without reason
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> giaco: as said before, you are convinced enough its nm fault, file a bug please
[18:32] <giaco> lotuspsychje: I'm here looking for help in debugging this. I don't have enough information to file a bug. All I see is this exuberant dhclient
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> giaco: thats why ubuntu-bug will help you collect more info about network manager for you
[18:32] <stdedos> Has anyone solved that unending weirdness with Win10 "home pc" sharing a Samba Share and Nautilus mounting it? I am getting instant timeout and no mount. I tried to use `mount.cifs` as a workaround, but then I am getting network timeouts between laptop sleeps which render system unusable when it wakes up.
[18:42] <tmuwa> exit
[18:46] <pavlos> stdedos: did you try, sudo mount -t cifs -o username=winuser,password=winpw //winserver/share /mnt/win
[18:47] <stdedos> > I tried to use `mount.cifs` as a workaround, but then I am getting network timeouts between laptop sleeps which render system unusable when it wakes up.
[18:48] <adgtl> Folks
[18:48] <stdedos> It also gives weirdness with sudo+access-rights (at least there is the uid= workaround)
[18:48] <adgtl> I am using Docker and docker is writing files to my host directory named ~/recordings
[18:48] <adgtl> Problem is that these files are written with root as user
[18:49] <adgtl> I have a systemd timer service which has a script to convert these files from wem to mp4
[18:49] <adgtl> Problem is that my systemd service is failing because of permissions
[18:49] <adgtl> Anyone know how to solve this issue?
[18:49] <adgtl> I don't want to set systemd user as root
[18:49] <adgtl> thanks
[18:53] <stdedos> https://lmgtfy.com/?q=docker+write+files+as+user&pp=1&iie=1
[19:02] <ioria> adgtl, how do you think to write in a root owned directory without some kind of permission feature ?
[19:03] <adgtl> ioria it's not root owned directory in the host.. it may be inside docker
[19:03] <adgtl> I have mounted host directory in the docker where file are written
[19:03] <adgtl> problem is that these files have root permission
[19:04] <ioria> adgtl, that what i meant
[19:04] <adgtl> and systemd in host is failing as script it is calling don't have permissions to modify it
[19:04] <adgtl> what could be solution?
[19:04] <adgtl> docker doesn
[19:04] <adgtl> nt have much info about how to solve this issue
[19:05] <ioria> adgtl, well,  i don't use docker ; maybe you can ask there... but (might be risky) the only idea atm is to set /etc/sudoers.d/
[19:05] <adgtl> for which user?
[19:06] <sarnold> I haven't been following the conversation but fs.protected_regular settings can limit which directories root can write into, without logging anything about it anywhere
[19:07] <adgtl> ubuntu@ip-172-31-7-220:/etc$ sudo ls -ltr sudoers.d/
[19:07] <adgtl> total 8
[19:07] <adgtl> -r--r----- 1 root root 958 Jan 18  2018 README
[19:07] <adgtl> -r--r----- 1 root root 152 Apr 20 11:47 90-cloud-init-users
[19:07] <adgtl> this is interesting name
[19:08] <adgtl> 90-cloud-init-users .... haha
[19:08] <sarnold> ?
[19:08] <adgtl> why no 99?
[19:08] <adgtl> I found that in sudoers.d
[19:08] <ioria> adgtl, the user you use ? :þ
[19:08] <adgtl> hmm don't know
[19:11] <ioria> adgtl, some ideas here (probably) :  https://serverfault.com/questions/841099/systemd-grant-an-unprivileged-user-permission-to-alter-one-specific-service
[19:14] <rangergord> is there a REALLY simple (read: < 5 mins) way to set up a local cache for apt packages? So if I apt install qt5 on pc1 for the 1st time, it's fetched  from Ubuntu's servers, then when I install qt5 on pc2, it fetches it from the local server instead.
[19:15] <rangergord> I can make it a local directory using sshfs, if that's easier
[19:18] <ogra> rangergord, snap install packageproxy ... then point all your sources.list entries to http://$IP_OF_THE_MACHINE:9999/ubuntu
[19:18] <ogra> (the ip of the machine you installed the snap on)
[19:19] <younder> I use apt-cache-ng
[19:19] <sarnold> I use squid-deb-proxy
[19:19] <ogra> the packageproxy snap uses approx :)
[19:20] <rangergord> I'll look into all three. Thanks!
[19:20] <nshire> my ubuntu install has a complete blackscreen currently
[19:21] <nshire> after I log in, it just gives me a black screen. I can go to terminal with ctrl-alt-f3 though
[19:23] <younder> nshire, sound like a problem with your garhcics driver
[19:23] <younder> graphics
[19:23] <nshire> it was immediately after installing the vbox guest additions btw
[19:24] <nshire> now it's telling me my login is incorrect
[19:25] <nshire> k forget what I said about login
[19:28] <nshire> alrighty well the uninstall script worked
[19:30] <ioria> nshire, ubuntu is the guest ?
[19:30] <nshire> yep
[19:31] <nshire> dunno who the guest additions always makes it black screen... last time I tried a year ago it did it as well
[19:31] <sarnold> don't install the guest additions on your HOST
[19:31] <sarnold> install them only on GUESTS
[19:31] <ioria> nshire, 3D acceleration, probably
[19:31] <nshire> sarnold, it was installed on the GUEST
[19:31] <ioria> nshire, enable (or occcasionally) / disable it
[19:32] <sarnold> nshire: aha, cool cool
[19:33] <Saeid> for playing games like world of warcraft, is it better to install a linux and have a qumo-kvm to run it? or using wine to run it? or making two separated OS and do works with linux and run games on windows?
[19:35] <nshire> ioria, toggling 3d to on still resulted in a black screen. I'll try different graphics controllers. currently on VMSVGA
[19:36] <ioria> ok
[19:37] <ioria> nshire, check also the Display Memory
[19:37] <nshire> 128mb(max)
[19:38] <nshire> well vboxvga works but now there's some terrible screen tearing and bad performance. annoying.
[19:40] <nshire> alrightly then, toggling it on and back on fixed it. I have no idea why.
[19:54] <stdedos> Has anyone solved that unending weirdness with Win10 "home pc" sharing a Samba Share and Nautilus mounting it? I am getting instant timeout and no mount. I tried to use `mount.cifs` as a workaround, but then I am getting network timeouts between laptop sleeps which render system unusable when it wakes up.
[20:12] <sarnold> stdedos: does *any* networking work after suspend/resume? I keep hearing references to network cards that don't handle that well
[20:13] <stdedos> When the gvfs-mount did the mounting, at least my login/shutdown/etc was not ghost-stuck for x minutes :/
[20:14] <stdedos> So - I am all for remounting, as long as network timeouts can crash by themselves, "and not on the main thread"
[20:18] <Rozha> hallo how to del user whithout killing hith porcessec
[20:30] <sarnold> Rozha: that's a very strange thing to do; what are you trying to accomplish
[20:30] <Rozha> sarnold i see my mistake all, good
[20:31] <Rozha> sarnold can you help whith smtp ?
[20:31] <sarnold> Rozha: maybe; I haven't set up an email server in ~20 years, so I don't know much about the modern antispam stuff
[20:32] <Rozha> thanks
[20:35] <RoseBus> anyone know how to configure default audio devices?
[20:36] <RoseBus> (i asked in #pulseaudio but no replies)
[20:37] <sarnold> RoseBus: for a single user, try pavucontrol; for all users, no idea :)
[20:37] <RoseBus> i have a usb microphone I use.  It has an audio jack on it for headphones (which I dont use).  Ubuntu seems to prefer usb audio out over line out
[20:44] <subfj> anyone know how to implement the last post on this forum to a trackpad? It fixed my mouse but the trackpad has the same issue. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/539122/bluetooth-mouse-lag
[20:45] <echoSMILE> Hi. Some time ago I installed xfce above ubuntu. How to ensure the other or parts of the old WM is not running in background ?
[20:46] <sarnold> echoSMILE: ps auxw  will show you what processes are running
[20:46] <Sheilong> Does document viewer has advanced editing options?
[20:47] <akem_> In normal situation you can only run 1 WM and 1 desktop session though.
[20:47] <sarnold> echoSMILE: though perhaps pstree would be more useful for figuring out process relationships
[20:48] <echoSMILE> sarnold: ps auxw | grep gnome gave me this binaries running: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver /usr/lib/gnome-online-accounts/goa-daemon /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon
[20:49] <echoSMILE> should I disable any of those ?
[20:49] <sarnold> echoSMILE: it's possible xfce is using those for its own services, I don't know
[20:50] <echoSMILE> hum ok
[21:45] <Alpha-Omega> Kind of a general question, but, let's say I boot Ubuntu installed on a USB, and I want to find out which USB (bus and device) that I booted from, how would I go about doing that?
[21:46] <Munsko> Alpha-Omega, you could try check which partitions are mounted
[21:46] <Munsko> By default i think that livecd dont mount the hard disk partitions
[21:46] <Munsko> I think there you could find more about that
[21:46] <Alpha-Omega> What I mean is how would I know which of the devices in the output of "lsusb" is the device I booted from.
[21:52] <oerheks> df -h ; and under udev/tmpfs, you find the boot device ?
[22:04] <Alpha-Omega> @oerheks Yes. I'm trying to find which lsusb port it corresponds to though.
[22:05] <oerheks> and if you find the number, how do you find the physical port?
[22:05] <oerheks> really, you know which usb port you boot from..
[22:11] <iKarus987> Guys :< i keep getting warning about i have 1.1gb space on home drive ?
[22:11] <iKarus987> even tho i removed everything from trash file
[22:11] <iKarus987> i mean after you remove from trash?
[22:11] <iKarus987> its gone for good yes
[22:11] <iKarus987> ?
[22:17] <makr8100> iKarus987: it's technically not gone for good if one uses some recovery tools, but it won't be taking up space.  There's a possiblility your tmp folders are holding large files and other similar causes
[22:19] <makr8100> I suggest using baobab (gtk) kdirstat (kde) qdirstat (qt) - whatever your preference is, etc.
[22:19] <makr8100> It will take a long time to analyze a whole drive but worth it if you're that low on space
[22:19] <sarnold> ncdu is neat too
[22:20] <makr8100> never heard of it, but google makes it look good if you're into cli stuff (I am)
[22:21] <makr8100> idk how I haven't heard of it before lol, I've always "wished" it existed but somehow didn't know how to google it...  anyways I'm heading off, glhf
[22:25] <Vigdis> Hi, how can I easily install zfs on ubuntu 20.04? It seems the installer won't offer me the option?
[22:27] <sarnold> it depends on the installer you use, but the 20.04 desktop installer should offer it as an option
[22:27] <sarnold> do you want root on zfs? or 'just' use zfs for a /srv or similar?
[22:28] <Vigdis> sarnold, oops yeah I forgot to mention it, I'm using the server installer, I wanted to try zfs on root yeah
[22:28] <sarnold> Vigdis: the server installer doesn't currently support that :(
[22:29] <Vigdis> I looked at alpine https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_with_root_on_ZFS_with_native_encryption and they advise to use ubuntu to bootstrap, well I guess I could still use 19.10 but meh
[22:30] <sarnold> you could try the desktop installer and then uninstall whatever you don't need after the fact
[22:31] <Vigdis> yeah, I'm not confident in my ability to remove all the cruft haha
[22:31] <sarnold> I set up my laptop with 19.04 I think, zfs on root, using https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS -- but it was hours of work to spot the two typos that kept it from working, and I don't think it'll just work with the new zsys daemon to manage snapshots..
[22:32] <sarnold> I suggest going through the desktop installer, it'll probably be more likely to work in a way that will still work in six months :)
[22:33] <Vigdis> thanks, I'll try that :)
[22:46] <analogical> I'm looking for RAM disk software to use with Ubuntu any suggestions?
[22:47] <sarnold> analogical: what are you going to do with it?
[22:48] <analogical> sarnold, why?
[22:48] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Bcache or an ordianiry tmpfs  https://www.linuxbabe.com/command-line/create-ramdisk-linux
[22:48] <sarnold> analogical: because what you want may not be worth bothering; or maybe it's just a 'use tmpfs' thing ..
[22:49] <Rozha> ln -s /usr/share/webmail/ /var/www/virtualhost but it works like http/::virutalhost/webmail
[22:50] <analogical> are there no 3rd party software?
[22:51] <Rozha> Gwhat u meen ubuntu 20
[22:51] <oerheks> analogical, maybe, did you find any?
[22:51] <sarnold> analogical: why should there be? tmpfs works great if you want a filesystem in ram..
[22:52] <Rozha> some one can help ln -s /usr/share/webmail/ /var/www/virtualhost but it works like http/::virutalhost/webmail
[22:52] <analogical> sarnold, not userfriendly
[22:53] <sarnold> analogical: oh? how so?
[22:53] <lotuspsychje> Rozha: when asking questions, its best to describe your full story + details ubuntu version? what are you setting up?
[22:53] <oerheks> the user won't notice tmpfs, you set it up once..
[22:54] <sarnold> analogical: I mean, you might even be able to just use /dev/shm/ already, but since you're not sharing what you're trying to do...
[22:54] <analogical> I refuse to use the terminal
[22:55] <oerheks> lolz
[22:55] <oerheks> there is no click and play ramdisk package in software center, AFAIK
[22:57] <Rozha> lotuspsychje i make install roundcobe like http://domain.ee/webmail, i make virtualhosxt like mail.domain.ee but works like mail.domain.ee/webmail
[22:58] <lotuspsychje> Rozha: roundcube? on ubuntu server or desktop?
[22:59] <Rozha> lotuspsychje , look i install roudcube for http://domain.ee/webmail
[22:59] <Rozha> lotuspsychje now i made virtual host for mail.domain.ee
[23:00] <Rozha> how tomke that it woeks
[23:01] <Rozha> not domain.ee/webmail
[23:01] <lotuspsychje> Rozha: the #roundcube channel might know perhaps?
[23:02] <Rozha> lotuspsychje i need help whith virtuak host
[23:02] <Rozha> nod whit roundcube
[23:04] <lotuspsychje> Rozha: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-roundcube-latest/
[23:05] <oerheks> i findno examples with virtualhost, check out the roundcubve channel?
[23:06] <oerheks> or #ubuntu-server perhaps?
[23:20] <filohuhum> clear
[23:20] <tripelb> Ubu won't sign in yesterday gept getting clogged. I have booted from another 20.04 system on a flash drive. What can I do not to "scandiak" old windows word. - I fear my "little program that signs you on. One is lightdm. I may have switched it trying to make mate an option. Which one comes with vanilla 20.04 and can I reinstall it from where I sit
[23:20] <tripelb> now?
[23:21] <tripelb> Please use my nick TRIPELB
[23:21] <Munsko> Hello, how can i make a .jar file executable? it runs perfectly in with the terminal command
[23:22] <Munsko> But it doesnt start when i double click him
[23:22] <RoseBus> can i restart gnome without closing all my applications?
[23:22] <RoseBus> gnome is going crazy glitchy right now mouse is unresponsive / semi-responsive
[23:22] <Munsko> Also i want to know how i can change the icon of a shourcut
[23:22] <RoseBus> but i'm in a zoom meeting
[23:23] <sarnold> Munsko: most desktop environments work with .desktop files
[23:24] <sarnold> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[23:24] <Munsko> sarnold,  thank for the answer, my problem is that i want change the icon of a .jar file
[23:24] <Munsko> Or in the defect, a bash file
[23:24] <sarnold> "Values of type iconstring are the names of icons; these may be absolute paths, or symbolic names for icons located using the algorithm described in the Icon Theme Specification. Such values are not user-displayable, and are encoded in UTF-8. "  https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html
[23:25] <sarnold> RoseBus: gnome's design does not let you simply restart it while keeping applications open
[23:25] <sarnold> RoseBus: you have to log out and log in again
[23:26] <Munsko> sarnold, so i cant change the icon?
[23:26] <Munsko> I dont understand that well
[23:27] <sarnold> Munsko: you can, you set the icon you want in the .desktop file
[23:29] <Munsko> I will try create a .desktop so, thanks
[23:44] <MarkB2> Ran an update/upgrade session this afternoon... and lost pulseaudio function.
[23:45] <MarkB2> It's complaint seems to be "can't cancel echo between a sink and its monitor".
[23:45] <jrgilman> is there a channel on freenode where i can ask a more general linux question not related to ubuntu?
[23:46] <tomreyn> !alis | jrgilman
[23:46] <sarnold> jrgilman: there is a ##linux but I have no idea what's on-topic there
[23:47] <jrgilman> oh cool thanks
[23:49] <MarkB2> Hm.  It seems that last update removed a chunk of pulseaudio... it can't load module-echo-cancel because ... it doesn't exist?
[23:49] <Steven_M> Hi all. I've tried to write the ubuntu-20.04 ISO to USB sticks several times using DD and a couple of ISO to USB programs, trying 3 different USB sticks. Every time I boot one of the sticks the boot-time disk check finds errors. Note that the checksum of the ISO matches the checksum file. Any idea what's going on?
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> Steven_M: where did you get your iso's?
[23:52] <sarnold> Steven_M: did you verify sha256sums of the downloads before writing them? do you have any errors in dmesg while writing them? errors in dmesg while booting? errors in dmesg while reading form the sticks/
[23:52] <MarkB2> Does installing an ISO to stick require formatting the stick via one of the USB stick formatters?
[23:52] <sarnold> no, dd just overwrites whatever is there
[23:52] <sarnold> the usb stick formatters like rufus.ie do magic to eg windows images to make them bootable,
[23:54] <Munsko> Is more easy create the link to the folder than create an exec
[23:54] <Munsko> cant be more easy?
[23:54] <Munsko> Is disgusting
[23:55] <jrgilman> well we'll see if someone responds
[23:55] <jrgilman> thanks
[23:56] <Steven_M> lotuspsychje: https://mirrors.tripadvisor.com/releases/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:58] <Steven_M> sarnold: yes I did verify the sha256sums of the downloads before writing them