[00:00] Err, right! Meeting mail. [00:05] Oh yeah [00:05] It's the easiest one to find, so I copy it [00:05] So thanks for that :D [00:11] \o/ === xGrind-AFK is now known as xGrind === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [02:34] bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1877857 [02:34] Launchpad bug 1838008 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1877857 [snap] cursor theme isn't respected" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:38] bluesabre: you gonna be on BDDL this saturday when they review xubuntu? [09:19] jphilips: that's the plan :) [09:42] bluesabre: anyone else from the team joining you, like ochosi or Unit193? [09:42] BDDL? [09:42] yes [09:43] Was going to nag about it today at the meeting :) [09:43] oh i let the cat out the bag [09:44] What is BDDL? [09:44] big daddy linux [09:47] Ah, the reverse of tails. Interesting. :> [09:48] sean was on the show for the 19.10 release i believe [09:48] yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcb2lLVBKBw [09:50] Because he's the face of Xubuntu, of course! [09:51] I did get ochosi to do the 19.10 destination linux episode :) [09:52] ...I haven't shaved since March, I'm surely not the face of anywhere right now. >_> [09:58] you dont need to show your face :D [11:02] !team | Reminder, community meeting tonight at 21:00 UTC, hope to see you there! [11:02] Reminder, community meeting tonight at 21:00 UTC, hope to see you there!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 [11:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-May/011971.html [11:06] Unit193: thanks for updating the factoid :) [11:07] Sure thing. [12:06] for those interested in helping with documentation, we are working on the 'What is Xubuntu?' page - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jqimfff79oQH63xNwVwIaO0YFUkvCBzZtMC4up5ssDY/edit# [12:08] sorry wrong doc. here it is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kkq51aJLT-BdCogUS4INhrR4e_IRgLT7YlUAWL32m4g/edit# === aryan__ is now known as arunpyasi === BottyMcBotFace is now known as SwissBot === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [21:00] bluesabre: meeting time [21:00] o/ [21:00] hi pleia2. hope you are feeling better [21:00] thank you :) getting there [21:01] oh! I wanted to tell you that the release video was wonderful, thanks again for making that :) [21:01] I'm here! [21:01] :D [21:02] One sec to get my bearings. [21:02] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [21:02] Meeting started Tue May 19 21:02:32 2020 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [21:02] !team | Meeting time! [21:02] Meeting time!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 [21:02] o/ [21:02] #chair pleia2 [21:02] Current chairs: bluesabre pleia2 [21:03] :) [21:03] Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [21:04] We'll wait a short few for everybody to show up. (and for me to close a bunch of tabs) [21:05] pleia2: glad to hear you're getting there and that you enjoyed the release video. it got featured on OMG Ubuntu :D [21:05] yes, I saw! [21:07] stumbled on your episode on linux spotlight, which i hope to watch soon [21:08] Noticed the meeting minutes weren't added from the last meeting, so adding those right quick [21:08] I wish I had done it from my home office in california, I was sitting in my kitchen in pennsylvania and the backdrop is boring :) [21:09] jphilips: just now finally got to reviewing the video text for what is Xubuntu [21:10] pleia2: thanks [21:10] Last meeting minutes added, so let's go ahead and start the meeting :) [21:10] thanks, bluesabre! [21:10] #topic Open action items [21:11] #info bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up email/vote to the list [21:11] That was in regard to the desktop changes. Now that 20.10 has started, I say lets get that vote out this week (along with the other votes we're going to have) [21:12] #action bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML [21:12] ACTION: bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML [21:12] #topic Updates and announcements [21:13] curious how to have people vote on every item suggested in the google doc? [21:13] #info akxwi-dave and slickymaster have been deactivated from the team since they've been inactive for a while. Thanks for all the support you've given us over the years! [21:14] jphilips: we'll need to consolidate some of those suggestions. I think we discussed how we were going to combine them in this meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-03-19-21.00.moin.txt [21:15] #info jphilips put together a nice release video for 20.04, check it out if you haven't seen it (link below) [21:15] #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_uVSNnIGY [21:16] it's so good! [21:16] Any other updates or announcements? [21:16] do we want to mention about the work going on with the documentation? [21:17] Definitely [21:17] okay [21:17] Maybe get some more contributors in the process :) [21:18] every week we are going through a single page of the documentation in google docs [21:18] announcing the editing of the google doc on social media and in the ML [21:18] we had a new contributor today for this week's 'What is Xubuntu?' page [21:19] Oh nice [21:19] great :) [21:19] we have weekly meetings on Saturday at 3pm UTC for the finalization of the edits make on the google doc worked on each week [21:19] the weekly meeting happens on Zoom [21:20] its in audio [21:21] i think that's it for documentation [21:22] Cool, thanks :) [21:22] pleia2: anything else to add for U&A? [21:22] I don't think so [21:22] Alrighty [21:23] On to the next section :) [21:23] #topic Discussion [21:23] #subtopic GitHub Proposal [21:23] I've been working on this one for a bit. [21:23] Here's the proposal: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/proposals/github [21:24] A demo Xubuntu-Team organization so we can see it in practice: https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team [21:24] does this cause any problems with iso building or any of the stuff Canonical does for us? (didn't see it in the Cons) [21:25] It shouldn't affect anything of that nature. [21:25] I also spoke with Wimpress of Ubuntu Mate (and Desktop) and he says everything works well for them there. [21:26] philosophically I'm sad to see us move from an open source platform for development and translations to proprietary ones (both github and transifex) but I do understand the practical considerations [21:26] it's probably worth moving just so it's easier on new developers we always need [21:26] The one codebase we'd keep hosted on Launchpad is the seed, since AAs contribute directly to it. [21:26] gotcha [21:27] I'd imagine the seed has to remain on launchpad though. I think turning off 'issues' on Github and leaving those on Launchpad (package bugs) makes sense though, since it's linked and more findable. [21:27] Yeah, and that's definitely an option. [21:27] Unit193: good point re: bugs [21:28] Also: `ubuntu-bug` will work. :P [21:28] :) [21:28] yeah, and all the related testing documentation [21:29] hi all [21:29] weird, i didn't see the ping for the meeting [21:29] sry to be late [21:30] hey ochosi, glad you could make it [21:31] Disabled issues and added a note on the readme @ https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/README.md for that example [21:31] would moving to gitlab rather than github make it more acceptable to contributors who oppose github? [21:31] Easier to see at https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team/xubuntu-default-settings [21:31] bluesabre: So if it's code and translations only, yeah that makes sense I guess. I'm not exactly keen on it either, but it is what it is. [21:33] jphilips: I think Gitlab keeps the benefit of the more advanced platform, but loses out on the wider userbase. It also creates an issue of where and how to host. [21:33] Whereas Ubuntu, derivatives, and other projects are already on GitHub. [21:33] I think he means gitlab.com. [21:34] i remember ubuntu mate used to host on gitlab.com and then moved to github.com [21:34] bluesabre: gitlab.xfce.org! :> [21:34] haha [21:34] well we're still working on gitlab.xfce ;) [21:34] i would also go for github [21:34] because of the rest of *buntu also being there [21:35] oh okay. i prefer it as well. [21:35] :) [21:36] how does ubuntu handle LP bugs vs. GH issues? [21:36] plus do we still run package builds through LP? [21:36] We'd keep package builds running with mirrored LP repos [21:37] As for the bugs, we're considering now: disable GH issues, and point visitors to report issues for the packages on Ubuntu. Not sure if that interferes with merge requests. [21:38] Otherwise, LP has upstream bug linking options, like we currently do for Xfce bugs [21:38] depends on whether you want to be able to automatically close issues with MRs [21:39] Even now, our bugs are only closed by package uploads (or somebody reviewing them later after upload) [21:39] Which to me, makes more sense. [21:40] sure [21:40] what i meant: i wouldnt expect many troubles with MRs and issues [21:40] I think LP has support for watching for fix committed, but think that only works with bzr. :P [21:40] but the whole mix may end up being a little confusing [21:40] because the code will be mirrored on LP [21:40] but then again, i don#t remember people flocking into LP to contribute... [21:41] (in the last years at least, in the early years yes) [21:41] mirroring of git repos is pretty common practice across open source these days [21:41] Yeah, I get lots of pastes and random emails with patches. [21:41] usually it's the other way around (so it's discoverable on github, but you contribute elsewhere), but it's still a thing [21:43] ubuntu mate has a page showing where to file bugs and patches for different parts of the development - https://ubuntu-mate.org/get-involved/development/ [21:44] if I'm honest, launchpad is already so confusing to navigate, we don't lose much by having people do different things in different places :\ [21:44] jphilips: that's a pretty cool resource [21:45] yep there new website is quite nicely organized [21:45] their* [21:46] With all the xubuntu things being fairly easy to find from the GH homepage, it might actually make things easier https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team :D [21:46] indeed :) [21:46] yup [21:46] So yeah, any other concerns or talking points? Should we open up team voting here and resume it in the ML, or just do all in the ML? [21:47] Or should we just roll with it? [21:48] Moving all code hosting seems like something we might want to vote on. :> [21:48] Figured as much :D [21:49] #vote Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? [21:49] Please vote on: Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? [21:49] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [21:49] #chair ochosi [21:49] Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [21:49] #chair Unit193 [21:49] Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [21:50] #voters Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [21:50] Current voters: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [21:50] #voters knome krytarik [21:50] Current voters: Unit193 bluesabre knome krytarik ochosi pleia2 [21:50] +1 [21:50] +1 received from bluesabre [21:51] +1 [21:51] +1 received from pleia2 [21:51] +1 [21:51] +1 received from Unit193 [21:52] ochosi knome krytarik? [21:53] +1 [21:53] +1 received from ochosi [21:53] Neat, 4/6 [21:54] #endvote [21:54] Voting ended on: Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? [21:54] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [21:54] Motion carried [21:54] #action bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex [21:54] ACTION: bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex [21:55] Thanks for voting! [21:55] #subtopic Telegram Groups and IRC Bridge [21:55] Now, does everyone have an account? I know krytarik doesn't. [21:55] That's fun [21:55] i have an account [21:56] RE: Github, we'll still be able to accept MRs from remote repos [21:56] #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/proposals/telegram-bridge [21:56] jphilips: want to lead on this? [21:57] not sure how to :D [21:57] can answer any questions people have after they've read the proposal [21:58] There's a in-testing Telegram bridge at https://t.me/XubuntuSupport and #xubuntu-support (I think that's right) [21:58] but the basic idea is to create telegram groups for xubuntu and xubuntu-devel and bridge them to the irc channels to make it easier for people to get involved and get help [21:59] yes we've setup a group for support and bridged it with #xubuntu-support while we await approval [21:59] While I'm fully against the idea, I understand the reasoning, but I don't see the point in linking the support medium. [21:59] aaditya is the one who has setup the bridge [21:59] Reasining for development* [22:00] i don't have a big opinion on this [22:00] i'm not active in the support channel for a while already, not enough time [22:00] and for development i read the backlog when i have time [22:00] on my phone i also read stuff when i *don't* have time [22:00] I #kubuntu, I see spam all the time come across, and general frustration among some of the common folks that help out. [22:02] Is it general spam, or is it just less-than-ideal visitors? [22:02] can't say that surprises me [22:03] I'm still pretty new to Telegram, but I have seen more open source projects seeming to embrace it recently. [22:03] who has access to bringing the bridge back up if it goes down? [22:04] bluesabre: Spam, it's getting to the point that when you see a female name join, you wonder if it's another drive-by. :/ [22:04] Ouch. [22:04] Unit193: yikes :( [22:04] pleia2: once its on xubuntu infra, bluesabre would have it [22:04] Once I have access to the infra [22:04] on dev.xubuntu.org or...? [22:04] I'd be willing to support if we went forward with the proposal. [22:04] ok, thanks bluesabre [22:05] unlike IRC, its easy to ban someone from the telegram group, unless they create another account with a new cell number [22:05] I'm wondering if we could do a trial, and if it doesn't work just split them off to entirely separate resources [22:05] Haven't done server-side stuff for Xubuntu to this point, but that's what I spend a lot of my time on in my IRL job [22:06] doesn't work == spam, unreliability, anything else that annoys people [22:07] I *really* don't like that it basically would change #xubuntu-offtopic into a logged channel. :/ [22:07] That seems like a reasonable way to go about it. If the bridges turn out to be bad, the Telegram support group could just be a separate supported. [22:07] I don't think we'd do it for offtopic [22:08] Unit193: oh, this is only considering #xubuntu and #xubuntu-devel [22:08] bluesabre: Aha! Thanks! [22:08] does anyone here have OP for #xubuntu, so we can do the trial? [22:09] jphilips: where is the current bridge currently hosted? Would we need to move infra first? [22:10] aaditya is hosting it now on his private server [22:10] Who is aaditya? [22:10] the sysadmin who volunteered to assist in setting up the bridge [22:10] ...Yes thanks I got that part... [22:10] hehe [22:10] lol [22:11] jphilips: aaditya is ok with us going "into production" with it still on his server, right? [22:12] aside from that, I suspect it's up to us whether we want to move it now or later [22:13] yes [22:15] so, do we want to move it first? :) [22:15] I'd be more comfortable that way, but it's signing up bluesabre for work :D [22:15] I'll be deep in Github for the next week [22:16] aaditya could do it to ease the burden [22:16] he's been a very helpful volunteer, but it probably requires giving root on our development server, and I'm not willing to do that :\ [22:16] we know bluesabre, but we don't know aaditya yet [22:16] But if we're fine with waiting a week, I'd happily help get it set up after that. [22:17] okay [22:17] seems fine to me [22:18] pleia2: do I need to talk to somebody in Canonical to get server access, or do you handle that within our team? [22:18] that's me [22:18] Neato. [22:18] I just need a public ssh key and preferred username [22:18] Cool, I'll send those your way. [22:19] great [22:19] Once I finish the Github migration, we'll do the bridge. :) [22:19] oh, you already have an account [22:19] Unit193: And you're the one to talk to about OP on #xubuntu, I take it? [22:19] pleia2: oh [22:19] hah [22:19] so just lmk if you can't log in and we can update your key ;) [22:19] Would this be another thing we vote on? [22:20] Unit193: oh, probably [22:20] Yeah, that seems fair. [22:20] :D [22:20] presume OP isn't necessary, was only needed for a trial I was thinking about doing were the telegram bot would muted from the IRC side [22:20] #vote Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? [22:20] Please vote on: Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? [22:20] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [22:21] +1 [22:21] +1 received from pleia2 [22:21] -1 [22:21] -1 received from Unit193 [22:21] +1 [22:21] +1 received from bluesabre [22:21] ochosi knome krytarik? [22:22] (this one will probably head to ML) [22:22] hm [22:22] -1 [22:22] -1 received from ochosi [22:23] Alrighty, ML it is for this one :) [22:23] #endvote [22:23] Voting ended on: Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? [22:23] Votes for:2 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0 [22:23] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [22:23] #action bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge [22:23] ACTION: bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge [22:24] #subtopic Xubuntu Council Nominations for the 22.04 Cycle [22:24] 20.04 was great, and now its time for a 22.04 council [22:25] I don't remember what we did last time, tbh [22:25] So I'm gonna have to dig :D [22:25] [18:27:30] < Unit193> If we want to be lazy and use a template: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2018-April/011644.html [22:25] I love not digging [22:25] :D [22:26] So, you, Simon and Lyz this time? :> [22:26] lol [22:26] I'll do lots of begging [22:27] So yeah, I'll fire that announcement off to the ML too [22:27] i'm more than likely to stick around, just not sure how actively [22:27] #action bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations [22:27] ACTION: bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations [22:27] as you've noticed i've drifted more and more towards the various upstreams (be it shimmer or xfce) [22:28] as for me, being a new parent is hard [22:28] I'm just lazy most days [22:28] hehe [22:29] Let's get this wrapped up soon so everybody can have a nice evening :) [22:29] #topic AOB [22:29] We might need more ML list moderators. [22:29] Anybody, anything to discuss? [22:29] Yeah [22:29] I should do a better job of it [22:29] (or some job of it) [22:30] I do spam, but there's other stuff there now too. :P [22:30] I had another thing, but I can't remember. [22:31] oh yeah, I haven't been tending to the queue at all :\ [22:31] sometimes I look and let month+ old things through [22:31] "oops" [22:31] so if anyone wants to help with moderation, do let us know :) [22:31] "Those darn ubuntu mail servers, they hold email forever" [22:31] for -devel mostly it's letting legit things through and replying to support requests redirecting them to support [22:32] :) [22:33] Anything else? [22:33] (I smell dinner) [22:33] do we want to consider opening a forum or discourse for support? [22:33] Still can't remember it, so guess not. [22:33] ubuntuforums.org [22:34] ^ seems like the way to go [22:34] Pretty sure they have a flavors section already, so we're set. [22:34] Nifty. [22:34] yes a section for all flavors [22:34] each flavor has their own forum or discourse [22:35] Seems covered then. [22:35] maybe what i said wasn't clear enough. none of the flavors use ubuntuforums.org [22:36] I think we have an adequate number of support options for now in askubuntu, irc, xfce forums, and non-specialized ubuntu forums [22:37] okay [22:37] Wrapping up :) [22:37] #topic Schedule next meeting [22:37] #action knome to schedule next meeting [22:37] ACTION: knome to schedule next meeting [22:37] #endmeeting [22:37] Meeting ended Tue May 19 22:37:50 2020 UTC. [22:37] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-05-19-21.02.moin.txt [22:37] Thanks everybody [22:38] Dinner time, bbl [22:38] Thanks, bluesabre. [22:39] thanks bluesabre [22:39] thanks [22:39] have a nice evening/night everyone [22:39] you to ochosi [22:40] pleia2: Nice to catch you around again! [23:36] Hrm, is it July yet? Can I scrub bionic from all PPAs? :3