[00:02] <Steven_M> sarnold: I couldn't use dmesg, because I was writing them under Windows. (Cygwin dd etc)
[00:03] <sarnold> ahh
[00:03] <sarnold> maybe windows event viewer reports block device problems?
[00:08] <Steven_M> sarnold: not that I can find, I'll try writing it under another pure Linux system instead of Windows.
[00:09] <sarnold> Steven_M: worth a quick try, anyway. I've just seen so many IO errors due to crummy flash drives in bug reports..
[00:11] <Steven_M> sarnold: Hmm, maybe I should've gone old school and burnt it to a DVD.
[00:13] <sarnold> Steven_M: very old school :) hehe
[00:13] <Steven_M> sarnold: :-)
[00:13] <sarnold> honestly, I wonder how long it's been since anyone's tried that
[00:14] <MarkB2> sarnold: A couple days ago with.  :-)
[00:15] <b1ackandwh1te> linux had to create GUI to honeypot windows users
[00:16] <b1ackandwh1te> sad
[00:16] <leftyfb> b1ackandwh1te: can we help you with something?
[00:20] <epistax> I'm having an issue on pop that I think is ubuntu related as well. I'm tried to upgrade the OS but my sources.list was somehow bad. I've been trying to regenerate it but I have the issue: E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[00:20] <leftyfb> !pop | epistax
[00:20] <leftyfb> epistax: pop is not ubuntu. Please seek support from PopOS
[00:21] <epistax> That's fine, but what is the correct repo for ubuntu disco?
[00:21] <sarnold> epistax: support for disco ended four months ago https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[00:21] <epistax> Okay, I'm trying to upgrade out of it. I'll check there to see if it specifies what I need.
[00:21] <sarnold> epistax: this may help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[00:22] <leftyfb> epistax: install ubuntu 20.04 from scratch
[00:22] <leftyfb> sarnold: they're not running ubuntu
[00:22] <sarnold> oh lol
[00:23] <epistax> Yes I'm running a glorified skin on top :D
[00:24] <leftyfb> epistax: no, you're running PopOS. It's not ubuntu. It's a separate distro supported by it's community
[00:24] <sarnold> or, apparently, not supported, if they're letting you try to pull updates from a four-month-dead distro
[00:25] <epistax> Not trying to update from it, trying to update out of it.
[00:25] <epistax> Thanks though, this seems to have done the trick
[00:26] <leftyfb> epistax: you can't "upgrade" from one distro to another
[00:26] <leftyfb> epistax: install ubuntu from scratch if that's what you're trying to run
[00:27] <epistax> Not switching distros. Just needed valid ubuntu repos referenced to get the upgrade to work. intricate web we weave. thanks
[00:41] <Biessie> may be a noob question but what is the difference from all the linux image/module etc updates
[00:43] <Biessie> like i know it's the kernel version but what do the changes consist of and what makes it better?
[00:51] <Munsko> Biessie, i know that some kernels for example doesnt support some hardware drivers
[00:52] <Munsko> Dont ask me why, no idea
[00:52] <Munsko> But that could happen
[00:56] <Biessie> ahhh okay
[01:07] <wonderworld> Biessie: you would find the changelogs for the kernel here: https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/
[01:08] <wonderworld> every "commit" is one change in the kernel
[01:09] <wonderworld> they are listed in the changelog files for every kernel version
[01:09] <wonderworld> many are bugfixes but there are new features as well
[01:13] <Biessie> wonderworld : Thanks!
[01:13] <Biessie> always trying to learn
[02:31] <rjwiii> Which version of Java is recommended? 11 or 14?
[02:32] <rjwiii> Ubuntu 20.04
[02:39] <Bashing-om> rjwiii: What shows in terminal ' apt show default-jre ' ?
[02:40] <rjwiii> Bashing-om: Version: 2:1.11-72
[02:41] <Bashing-om> rjwiii: "This dependency package points to the Java runtime, or Java compatible
[02:41] <Bashing-om>  runtime recommended for this architecture, which is .... " what ?
[02:43] <Bashing-om> rjwiii: Not booted 20.04 so I can not say what the system here reccommends.
[02:48] <rjwiii> Bashing-om: openjdk-11-jre for amd64
[02:50] <Bashing-om> !info openjdk-11-jre  focal
[02:51] <Munsko> rjwiii, that depends of what u need to do
[02:51] <Munsko> SOme programs have better compatibility with 8
[02:51] <Munsko> other with 10
[02:55] <cgi> @20.04lts - on gnome - on 4k screens on laptops, the default font sizes are too small. Any ideas on how to scale those?
[02:55] <cgi> perhaps kde solves this issue?
[02:56] <sarnold> cgi: any chance you're using nvidia proprietary drivers? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Desktop
[02:57] <sarnold> cgi: I understand fractional scaling doesn't work with the nvidia proprietary drivers, in which case selecting '2' instead of eg 1.25 or 1.5 should help
[02:57] <cgi> sarnold, I am using nvidia drivers
[02:59] <cgi> sarnold, you mean display : 200% Scale?
[02:59] <cgi> doesn't that reduce the resolution by 50%?
[03:01] <cgi> Is this the bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1870736
[03:02] <sarnold> cgi: something like that; just making fonts larger can have funny consequences though, eg text that no longer fits inside boxes, etc.. I didn't want to learn how to scale my display, so just embiggened my urxvt font and use control+scrollwheel zoom in firefox, and I'm not sure I made the right choice. hehe.
[03:02] <sarnold> eg this is utterly unreadable on my system, because I just tried to make the fonts a bit bigger, rather than scaling https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[03:04] <cgi> sarnold, my text sizing is very troubling on my laptop - just too small, and every application has to be played with
[03:05] <sarnold> cgi: for me, I figured font sizes would be enough, since I really only use two applications -- urxvt and firefox. If I were doing it over, I'd try display scaling instead of just making the fonts larger..
[03:05] <cgi> I'll be back - my fonts are completely messed up now :)
[03:10] <cgi> sarnold, with 200% the fonts are just too big
[03:11] <cgi> I could live with it if i could control firefox fonts - tabs font size? can i do that?
[03:11] <cgi> Firefox - text written on tab headers?
[03:11] <cgi> I want it at 150%
[03:13] <moonfmdesire> Hello, how do I clean this up? https://pastebin.com/SEAcPZyx
[03:18] <technologov> hi all ! Is there a way to receive audio signal via USB from Apple iPhone ? (the way USB headphones do)? Linux even supports Apple Audio USB protocol ? And how about Android Audio ?
[03:18] <cgi> sarnold, do you know if this is a gnome issue or is it there in other window managers as well?
[03:27] <cgi> sarnold, its working much better with font size adjutments
[04:05] <Bashing-om> moonfmdesire: Show the channel in a pastenin ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' Let's see here what there is to work.
[04:15] <moonfmdesire> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/4qV3MaqU
[04:17] <Bashing-om> moonfmdesire: Looking ^ .
[04:18] <moonfmdesire> Bashing-om, The paolo-miguel-dias ppa needs to go, I thought I got rid of it.
[04:20] <moonfmdesire> Bashing-om, Am not sure how to, he does the MESA drivers, but I am now using amdgpupro
[04:27] <Bashing-om> moonfmdesire: Never encountered such syntax " deb [trusted=yes] file:/var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local/ ./" . Do not know now what to advise. // to remove these PPAs as are empty run ' sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/paulo-miguel-dias-ubuntu-pkppa-bionic.list ; sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/paulo-miguel-dias-ubuntu-pkppa-bionic.list.save '.
[04:28] <moonfmdesire> Bashing-om, Thanks, at least I got one item removed...
[04:28] <moonfmdesire> Bashing-om, I sent an email to AMD, maybe they can advise on the rest. It is THEIR drivers.  : - b
[04:51] <tripelb> Mordoce 20.04 fail. The sign-in vanishes. Then if I do cnt alt F2  it just goes dark. I booted from a flash but now don't know what to do. Help. (I asked hours ago to silence)
[04:51] <tripelb> I typed more and stupid autocorrect made it mordoce
[04:52] <tripelb> Mordoce 20.04 fail. The sign-in vanishes. Then if I do cnt alt F2  it just goes dark. I booted from a flash but now don't know what to do. Help.
[04:53] <tripelb> Sorry this is a phone. Flash drive Ubuntu has no IRC client any more.
[04:54] <tripelb> My dm vanishes and c-alt-f2 won't give me a prompt in my installed 20.04 I don't know what to do. (Yes I have a liveUSB at hand.
[06:35] <cluelessperson> so I have a question
[06:36] <cluelessperson> why do OSes allow applications to take priority from them?
[06:36] <cluelessperson> like, with ubuntu
[06:36] <cluelessperson> why is chrome able to make ubuntu unresponsive at all?
[06:36] <cluelessperson> seems like a huge poor design decision
[06:41] <bracham> cluelessperson, is chrome causing issues after hardly being open?
[06:41] <cluelessperson> bracham, yes
[06:41] <bracham> weird
[06:42] <cluelessperson> yeah, but in theory, no matter what, the os should be in control, in theory
[06:42] <cluelessperson> none of this BS where the mouse doesn't respond
[06:42] <bracham> how long does it take?
[06:44] <bracham> i have issues, especially on my one system (20.04), where if i happen to leave chrome open overnight, in the morning it has memory filled. otherwise i can use it with multiple tabs and it's no problem.
[06:45] <ThinkT510> why risk leaving the browser on all night when you can just restore the session in the morning?
[06:46] <cluelessperson> bracham, I have 8GB of ram
[06:46] <cluelessperson> and apparently displaying 8 tabs takes up ALL the ram
[06:47] <bracham> yeah it's just cuz i happen to leave it with it open. if i'm cleaning up when i'm done i usually close everything.
[06:47] <cluelessperson> this is a fairly new computer with ram soldered on, so I can't just upgrade it
[06:47] <bracham> i have 6GB in that one
[06:47] <cluelessperson> it's incredibly stupid
[06:47] <bracham> 8GB should be lots
[06:47] <cluelessperson> exactly
[06:47] <bracham> is chrome fully updated?
[06:47] <cluelessperson> yes
[06:48] <bracham> have you cleared all your cache and such?
[06:48] <cluelessperson> webstorm is taking up 1.7GB ram
[06:48] <cluelessperson> chrome 1.4GB
[06:49] <bracham> i haven't paid attention to how much memory chrome normally uses, but i imagine it shouldn't even be 1G
[06:50] <bracham> have you cleared your cache and such?
[06:50] <s_spiff> Anyone here know how to unban an ip (that was banned using fail2ban), if you have access to the hard drive?
[06:51] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, google "fail2ban unban"
[06:51] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, looks like fail2ban sets iptables rules.
[06:51] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, you can probably find it with iptables -L -n
[06:52] <bracham> cluelessperson, have you cleared your chrome cache and such?
[06:52] <s_spiff> @cluelessperson, I did .. and figured that bit out, but can't figure out where iptables stores the IP's. I don't have access to the machine. I've just gotten the hard drive and an looking for files to edit in the hard drive.
[06:53] <s_spiff> I've connected the drive as an external drive
[06:53] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, iptables doesn't save rules by default, they're just kept in memory I believe.
[06:54] <s_spiff> cluelessperson, so, a reboot should wipe that out?
[06:54] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, saving iptables rules is a manual procedure.  and fail2ban is meant to ban ips that are scanning you temporarily
[06:54] <s_spiff> I see
[06:55] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, just restart iptables, I forget the command off my head
[06:55] <cluelessperson> s_spiff, I might recommend something like iptables -F  but if you have other custom stuff it might block your connections in. :P
[06:56] <s_spiff> cluelessperson, a bit more context.. I have a AWS EC2 instance.. that I got banned on, so I unmounted that volume and mounted it to another ec2 instance. so I'm able to browse around in the file system, but unable to set into the original instance.
[06:56] <s_spiff> so.. I'm having the time of my life trying to unban myself :P
[06:57] <viktor_> 13:57 < viktor_> Hi. All my desktop wallpapers disappear everytime i switch activities. I'm using ext moni (if it might be related). ANyone has any ideas?
[06:57] <viktor_> using Kubuntu btw
[07:00] <ducasse> viktor_: try asking in #kubuntu, they might know better
[07:01] <s_spiff> another question, does fail2ban first go through the fail2ban logs to find IP's that failed? so if I were to remove all fail2ban logs.. i'd be unbanned?
[07:02] <ducasse> s_spiff: i doubt the logs are parsed
[07:03] <s_spiff> ducasse, how does fail2ban track number of failed login attempts and maintain the ban for say 10 days? esp if IPtables stores everything in memory, and a restart should wipe those bans clean.
[07:04] <ducasse> afaik they do not persist across reboots, no
[07:04] <s_spiff> ducasse, oh that gives me some hope.
[07:05] <ducasse> saving iptables rules is something you do manually in most cases
[07:05] <ducasse> unless you use ufw
[07:10] <ThinkT510> cluelessperson: you could try to see if you get the same issue in chromium and firefox
[07:15] <s_spiff> @ducasse, while I do use ufw on that instance, i don't think fail2ban has been configured to use ufw to ban
[07:16] <iKarus987> i have disk space issue :<
[07:16] <ducasse> me neither, it uses iptables directly to the best of my knowledge
[07:16] <s_spiff> @ducasse, I was able to get in!! Hallelujah!
[07:16] <iKarus987> guys i have disk space issue, is there away i could move everything i download to a windows partitioned hard drive? i mean i can see it in 'Other Locations'
[07:16] <s_spiff> Thanks ducasse cluelessperson ..
[07:19] <iKarus987> can i move the downloads folder to another Hard drive?
[07:20] <Ben64> yes you can move anything basically anywhere
[07:20] <iKarus987> how would i move this to another hard drive? plz Ben64
[07:21] <iKarus987> i have disk space issue, i have this hard drive that is 1TB
[07:21] <Ben64> you mean /home/you/Downloads ?
[07:21] <iKarus987> yes
[07:21] <iKarus987> i want it to move to an empty hard drive
[07:21] <iKarus987> because i have disk space issues in the home
[07:21] <Ben64> so step 1 is to actually move it to your destination, either with 'mv' or in the file manager
[07:21] <iKarus987> huh?
[07:21] <iKarus987> what i mean is
[07:21] <iKarus987> when i download something
[07:22] <iKarus987> it goes to that hard drive
[07:22] <Ben64> well that would be a settings thing in whatever program you're using to download
[07:22] <iKarus987> also i cant do anything to this 'Hard Drive' i think its is operating for windows 10
[07:22] <iKarus987> because i have dual boot
[07:23] <iKarus987> i am willing to format that for ubuntu
[07:23] <iKarus987> i think i need to format first that drive,
[07:23] <Ben64> if you don't need anything on it sure
[07:24] <Randolf> Recently a number of my applications stopped working.  The icons are still there, but nothing happens when I try to start them.  The applications include Gnome-Calculator, LibreOffice, Links, Opera, and Mozilla Thunderbird, etc.  I found all their configuration files under the ~/snap/ directory.
[07:25] <Randolf> Re-installed Opera and LibreOffice, and had to reconfigure all my settings.  I'm worried about Thunderbird as I had a few dozen eMail accounts there.
[07:25] <Randolf> How can I recover from this?  Thanks.
[07:26] <boby> hello
[07:26] <boby> how do i do scaling in ubuntu mate 20.04
[07:26] <boby> i need dpi scaling to be 125%
[07:28] <iKarus987> is this fine boys changing the user_dir file for the Downloads from 'XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Downloads" to "XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$media/dope/New Volume"
[07:28] <iKarus987> hmm ?
[07:28] <iKarus987> new volume is the hard disk
[07:29] <iKarus987> i wanna use
[07:29] <Randolf> boby: If you're using GNOME it should be in your settings -- go to "Devices" then "Screen display" and in there you should find a setting called "Scale."
[07:29] <boby> im using mate
[07:30] <boby> and it only has normal and hidpi optinos
[07:30] <boby> in mate config
[07:30] <boby> mate tweak*
[07:30] <Randolf> I don't know what "mate" is, but I'm guessing it's an alternative to Gnome.
[07:30] <boby> yup
[07:34] <feodoran> I am on 20.04 and I need libcrypto.so.1.0.0 and libssl.so.1.0.0, not the 1.1 version. what are my options?
[07:38] <Randolf> Why do some applications have everything stored under ~/snap/ unlike most others?
[07:38] <Randolf> I see some stuff in Google about the SnapStore, but this isn't familiar to me at all.  Did I somehow have this by mistake?
[07:39] <Randolf> How can I get rid of the icons for the applications I re-installed?
[07:40] <boby> someone help me with fractional dpi scaling
[07:42] <iKarus987> guys i am trying to move my home folder to a hard drive that i mounted? only problem is i cant read or write to that hard drive
[07:42] <iKarus987> :(
[07:42] <iKarus987> plz help me
[07:42] <iKarus987> i think that hard drive is working under windows 10
[07:42] <iKarus987> so i am willing to format it
[07:43] <iKarus987> do i have to boot into windows to do that?
[07:43] <Randolf> iKarus987: What error message do you get when you attempt to mount the external drive?
[07:43] <iKarus987> currently
[07:43] <Slart> Randolf: I think the later versions of ubuntu have snap functionality installed by default.. it's a packaging technology similar to flatpack... some people are upset about this since snaps take longer to start and are larger to download
[07:43] <iKarus987> i can open files from that hard drive, play videos ect
[07:43] <iKarus987> if there are any
[07:43] <iKarus987> but not edit it
[07:43] <iKarus987> i want that hard drive to become my home directory
[07:43] <iKarus987> beacuse it has soo much space
[07:44] <iKarus987> i only gave 50gb for my home directory
[07:44] <iKarus987> which i regret
[07:44] <iKarus987> :(
[07:44] <Slart> iKarus987: if you're going to use an alternative place for /home it should be formatted as something that supports linux permissions etc.. not NTFS ... something like ext4 or possibly one of the other file systems
[07:44] <iKarus987> yea so how do i do it?
[07:44] <boby> iKarus987, login back in to windows
[07:45] <boby> and restart it
[07:45] <iKarus987> and format it from there?
[07:45] <boby> then boot back to linux
[07:45] <iKarus987> huh?
[07:45] <itsme5n> hi
[07:45] <Slart> hi itsme5n
[07:45] <iKarus987> boby so format it from windows
[07:45] <iKarus987> yes?
[07:45] <boby> no
[07:45] <itsme5n> mint and ubuntu same?
[07:45] <iKarus987> boby then what u mean bro?
[07:45] <boby> windows when shutdown'ed saves some state to hard drive for faster boot
[07:46] <Randolf> Slart: Ah, no wonder Opera and LibreOffice load so much faster now.  I'm worried about losing my data, because when I tried to copy the profile data for Opera and LibreOffice from ~/snap/ to the new non-snap location, the data wasn't recognized.
[07:46] <Slart> itsme5n: similar but not same. Mint has their own support channels.. things might differ slightly
[07:46] <boby> and prevents others to mess it
[07:46] <iKarus987> boby dude that drive is always mounted auto
[07:46] <iKarus987> no matter shut down and back
[07:46] <boby> i know. just do as i say
[07:46] <boby> login to windows
[07:46] <boby> dont shutdown
[07:46] <iKarus987> i have done that plenty of times
[07:46] <boby> do restart
[07:46] <boby> and then boot to linux
[07:46] <iKarus987> dude today i was on windows
[07:47] <Slart> Randolf: I'm not familiar with the details of snaps.. from my own experience they took longer to start.. it's quite possible that data isn't stored in a compatible way.. afaik documents and anything you create WITH the app will still be the same
[07:47] <iKarus987> for a very long time
[07:47] <Randolf> Slart: I don't know what happened to snap, but it failed to install last time.  I figured it must be a dead system.
[07:47] <iKarus987> then i shutdown went back to ubuntu
[07:47] <boby> so.. iKarus987 tell me what you're trying to do
[07:47] <boby> dont shutdown!!!!
[07:47] <boby> do restart
[07:47] <iKarus987> bro i really do believe thats not it
[07:47] <Randolf> Slart: I noticed the snap stuff was slower too.
[07:47] <iKarus987> i must format it.
[07:47] <boby> that's why
[07:47] <boby> tell me what you're trying to do
[07:47] <iKarus987> because i formated it
[07:47] <iKarus987> to ntfs
[07:47] <iKarus987> i remember that
[07:48] <Randolf> Slart: Not just loading, but continual use too.
[07:48] <Slart> Randolf: I think Canonical are still pushing it pretty hard.. I don't expect it to go away just like that.. hopefully it will improve
[07:48] <boby> oh so the ormat worked?
[07:48] <iKarus987> huh?
[07:48] <boby> try creating an empty directory
[07:48] <iKarus987> bro what i am trying to do is this
[07:48] <Randolf> Slart: The last time I tried to re-install "snap" with apt it failed.  This is why I figured it was going away.
[07:48] <iKarus987> i changed my mind about the hard drive being
[07:48] <iKarus987> windows based
[07:48] <iKarus987> now i want to use for linux stuff only
[07:48] <Slart> Randolf: is the package really called snap though? not snapd or something like that?
[07:49] <iKarus987> that's why ubuntu cant read or write
[07:49] <boby> you wanna reformat partition
[07:49] <boby> ?
[07:49] <iKarus987> to it.. ups write#
[07:49] <iKarus987> i can read from it
[07:49] <iKarus987> but not write into it
[07:49] <iKarus987> so for that reason i wanna format it
[07:49] <Randolf> Slart: Hmm, I'm going to try to avoid it because I don't want slower-running applications.  If the data's not compatible, then I guess I'll be stuck with it until I can find a way to convert it (assuming I can get snap {or snapd} working).
[07:49] <iKarus987> boby so can i format it within ubuntu or do i need to boot into windows?
[07:50] <boby> what do you wanna format it to?
[07:50] <boby> and u just said its read only fs
[07:50] <boby> u can format it like that
[07:50] <iKarus987> i just wanna be able to write into it
[07:50] <iKarus987> thats it :(
[07:50] <boby> from windows or linux?
[07:50] <boby> do u perhaps dual boot?
[07:50] <iKarus987> from linux
[07:50] <Randolf> Hmm, looks like the orange Ubuntu Software bag icon doesn't have Thunderbird.
[07:50] <iKarus987> yes i have dual boot
[07:51] <Slart> Randolf: yea, I do the same.. I've used some apps as flatpacks... I've uninstalled the snap version of some of the standard apps and installed the "normal" version.. but I'm on ubuntu 18.04. I don't really know what works on the later versions
[07:51] <iKarus987> would be nice if both windows and ubuntu could share that hard drive
[07:51] <iKarus987> its 1tb size
[07:51] <boby> you see i dual boot too
[07:51] <boby> and they both share a hard drive
[07:51] <Randolf> Slart: I'm also on Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS.
[07:51] <iKarus987> okay this is the error i get
[07:51] <iKarus987> when i try to write into it
[07:51] <iKarus987> from ubuntu
[07:51] <boby> paste the error
[07:52] <Slart> Randolf: are you sure thunderbird is not there? I can find it on my system
[07:52] <Randolf> Okay, I see Thunderbird is available in apt, just not the Ubuntu Software installer (GUI).
[07:52] <Randolf> Slart: It's under ~/snap/ but it won't start.
[07:52] <Randolf> Slart: I have these "ghost icons" from other snap applications that I had to re-install non-snap versions to get them working.  This has been a frustrating nightmare for me because I need these applications to work reliably.
[07:53] <iKarus987> boby i get 'READ ONLY FILE-SYSTEM'
[07:54] <boby> oh god.. i get this problem so often
[07:54] <boby> and all i do is.. switch back to windows.. and do a restart
[07:54] <boby> then boot back to ubuntu
[07:54] <boby> can u try that plzzz
[07:54] <Slart> Randolf: hmm... I wonder if I at some point disabled snaps from appearing at all..
[07:54] <Randolf> Slart: I just did "apt install thunderbird" and now I have two Thunderbird icons.  I'm going to copy the profile over before I start it.
[07:55] <Slart> Randolf: I can't even find a snap package of thunderbird.. I only find the standard version
[07:55] <boby> start > power button > restart
[07:55] <Randolf> I don't know how to get rid of the snap icons.  It's annoying.
[07:55] <Slart> Randolf: they don't go away if you uninstall the snap application?
[07:56] <Randolf> Slart: I never asked for this in the first place.  I have no idea why I had snap in the first place, but it's gone as of a few days ago and it can't be re-installed.
[07:57] <Randolf> Slart: Do you happen to know where Thunderbird normally stores its profiles?  Is it under ~/.thunderbird/ or somewhere else?
[07:57] <Slart> Randolf: snap functionality was installed by default.. and I think the software app chose snap packages over standard packages if it was given a choice
[07:57] <itsme5n> what is snap??
[07:57] <Slart> Randolf: you might have not even noticed that you installed the snap version
[07:57] <Slart> !snap
[07:57] <Randolf> Slart: Yeah, I didn't notice.
[07:57] <iKarus987> boby seriously i have to keep doing that?
[07:58] <iKarus987> boby okay i dont want this mess, so i want that drive to only be ubuntu only
[07:58] <boby> ok
[07:58] <iKarus987> and i am 100% that wont fix my issue
[07:58] <iKarus987> could u help me boby
[07:58] <boby> se lets see
[07:58] <iKarus987> thx
[07:58] <boby> go to windows.. and delete that drive
[07:59] <boby> wait a sec
[07:59] <boby> can u not access the partition or the disk itself
[07:59] <Slart> Randolf: apparently there is a package called gnome-software-plugin-snap that enables snap stuff in the software center.. that might be the way to avoid snaps in the future
[07:59] <iKarus987> i am inside the hard drive
[07:59] <iKarus987> boby
[07:59] <Randolf> Slart: When I installed Ubuntu Linux, it was to replace Windows 10 on this laptop because Windows kept crashing itself into unrepairable blue screens after booting during 500+ mandatory updates.  I gave up, and switched to Linux, and now everything is faster and doesn't crash.  But this snap thing caught me by surprise, and if snap didn't disappear recently I'd still be running without knowing it.
[07:59] <iKarus987> i can see the files and everything
[07:59] <iKarus987> inside the hard drive
[07:59] <Slart> Randolf:
[07:59] <boby> ok
[07:59] <Randolf> Slart: Given that all the snap stuff is slower, I want to stay away from it.
[08:00] <Slart> Randolf: yea.. Canonical likes you sneak up on you like that :D
[08:00] <boby> i was asking if the entire disk is read only
[08:00] <Randolf> Slart: Oh, I felt totally f---ed over by the NetPlan crap.  I hate that system with a passion, it's so awful.
[08:00] <boby> or just the partition u want
[08:00] <iKarus987> well from chmod it's not read only
[08:00] <iKarus987> i can read and write
[08:01] <iKarus987> i have full 777 permission
[08:01] <boby> how many partitions does ur disk have?
[08:01] <Slart> Randolf: if I have to make a guess I would say that you can safely uninstall the snap packages.. it might be easier to do it using normal apt from a terminal... then your ghost icons should disappear.. you shouldn't lose any data over this but you might have to reconfigure software that you install again.. ie mail clients and such
[08:01] <iKarus987> ahh i did not partition it
[08:01] <boby> wat
[08:01] <iKarus987> its 1 big 1tb hard drive
[08:01] <boby> its secondary drive?
[08:01] <iKarus987> yes
[08:02] <Slart> Randolf: not sure what will happen to mail you've downloaded.. you might want to make a backup just in case
[08:02] <boby> oh i see
[08:02] <Randolf> Slart: I'm going to leave it alone, and just be careful to make sure snap is NOT installed on my next system.  I'd rather not take a chance.
[08:02] <iKarus987> no windows or ubuntu installed on it
[08:02] <iKarus987> boby
[08:02] <boby> got it
[08:02] <boby> u used gparted right?
[08:02] <Randolf> Slart: I have backups already.  I'm just trying to figure out where Thunderbird's profile is normally stored now, because the Mozilla packages are a bit different sometimes.
[08:02] <iKarus987> i think so
[08:02] <iKarus987> it was long time
[08:02] <Slart> Randolf: you can always think about it when you reinstall the next time
[08:03] <boby> try creating a new partition table
[08:03] <iKarus987> k
[08:03] <boby> if u dont mind loosing data on disk
[08:03] <Randolf> Loosing?  As opposted to tightening?  ;P
[08:03] <Slart> Randolf: I can't really help you there.. other than to say that it might not be where you expect it to be.. because of the snap things. But I have a feeling you've figured that out already :)
[08:03] <Randolf> s/opposted/opposed/
[08:04] <Randolf> Slart: Oh, I know where it is in ~/snap/ but I want to start with it on the first run of Thunderbird in the hopes that the data won't be ignored this time around.
[08:05] <itsme5n> what is channel name for mint linux
[08:06] <Slart> Randolf: ah.. well good luck!
[08:06] <boby> #linuxmint
[08:06] <boby> actually no
[08:06] <Slart> itsme5n: https://www.linuxmint.com/contactus.php look here
[08:06] <Randolf> Slart: Thanks.  I've already wasted too many hours on this stupid snap problem.  I have no idea why it disappeared, but this kind of dependency seem to me to be a high-risk design that really shouldn't be foisted on users without asking first.
[08:07] <boby> itsme5n, they host it on spotchat
[08:07] <boby> not freenode
[08:07] <Slart> Randolf: I agree totally
[08:07] <Randolf> Slart: When Microsoft pulls that crap, it's not really surprising because they pull that kind of crap all the time.  The people developing snap really need to be smarter than that.
[08:08] <itsme5n> how to connect to spotchat
[08:08] <Randolf> Okay, it looks like most web sites claim the Thunderbird data is stored under ~/.thunderbird/ and not ~/.mozilla/thunderbird/ or ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ or ~/.Thunderbird/ (and a number of other variants).
[08:08] <Randolf> What a ridiculous mess.
[08:08] <iKarus987> Boby to what should format?
[08:08] <iKarus987> i unmounted it now its asking me to what i should format?
[08:08] <iKarus987> i can now format it, if i want to boby
[08:08] <iKarus987> what do i do?
[08:09] <boby> create a new partition
[08:09] <boby> if u have already created a partition table(ms-dos or gpt)
[08:09] <konrad__> hello, I have a small problem, trying to install cordova, getting an error: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/cordova-ubuntu/ppa/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[08:09] <boby> create a ntfs partition
[08:09] <iKarus987> yes it is msdos
[08:09] <iKarus987> to what?
[08:09] <iKarus987> should i change?
[08:09] <boby> no no
[08:09] <iKarus987> okay
[08:09] <boby> partition table =/= partition format
[08:09] <boby> create a ntfs partition
[08:10] <iKarus987> so all the old stuff goes away
[08:10] <iKarus987> yes?
[08:10] <konrad__> I found out that I should add [trusted=yes] but where? here is the line: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/cordova-ubuntu/ppa/ubuntu focal main
[08:10] <boby> it already went away
[08:10] <boby> i already warned u
[08:10] <iKarus987> no it did not
[08:10] <iKarus987> i did not apply
[08:10] <boby> oh i see
[08:10] <iKarus987> so what? next
[08:10] <boby> u dont mind loosing data?
[08:11] <boby> then apply
[08:11] <iKarus987> well if i can keep them
[08:11] <iKarus987> that would be nice
[08:11] <Randolf> Slart: Damn it, Thunderbird tells me this is a new profile, and it ignores my old one.  This is so stupid.  Thanks "snap" developers for screwing up my system.
[08:11] <boby> so then cancel the operations
[08:11] <iKarus987> i did that
[08:11] <boby> look what format the current partition is
[08:11] <iKarus987> ntfs
[08:11] <boby> does it show a key symbol next to it
[08:11] <iKarus987> file system is ntfs
[08:12] <iKarus987> key symbol?
[08:12] <Slart> Randolf: perhaps there's a way to import a profile?
[08:12] <boby> yup.. next to /dev/sdb/sdbX
[08:12] <boby> or something similar
[08:12] <boby> next to partition see if there's a key icon
[08:13] <iKarus987> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1030707353542685880/09FF420A275F256170311581EBC7C364F9E98EB2/
[08:13] <iKarus987> this is the image
[08:13] <Randolf> Slart: I've never had success with that -- address books and messages are very different processes, and a lot of stuff gets missed.  I find that just copying the entire profile usually works, but not this time it seems because "snap" somehow changes things.
[08:14] <iKarus987> all i did was unmount btw
[08:14] <iKarus987> i dont think it deletes
[08:14] <iKarus987> the files from the drive
[08:14] <boby> ok.. so basically what i said
[08:14] <boby> the ntfs partition is in inconsistant state
[08:14] <iKarus987> go on?
[08:14] <boby> windows dint shutdown properly
[08:14] <boby> as far as i know
[08:14] <Randolf> Slart: I just got it working.  I messed around with the modified profiles.ini file by removing the new profile it created, and also updated the installs.ini file to point to the old profile (all relative paths, of course), and now it's working.  The average end-user will be completely lost, which is what worries me the most about this.
[08:15] <iKarus987> ahh boby
[08:15] <boby> that warning symbol means
[08:15] <iKarus987> that warning symbol came
[08:15] <Randolf> Slart: I think the "snap" should only be installed if the user gives consent.  It's risky in its current state.
[08:15] <iKarus987> after i unmounted
[08:15] <iKarus987> boby
[08:15] <boby> gparted cant read the partition properly
[08:15] <iKarus987> boby it came after i unmounted
[08:16] <Slart> Randolf: yea, moving thunderbird profiles around is not something an average new user would manage
[08:16] <boby> gimme a sec
[08:16] <boby> doing research
[08:16] <iKarus987> boby
[08:16] <iKarus987> i restarted
[08:16] <Randolf> Slart: This non-snap version of Thunderbird runs at least 5 times faster than the snap version did.  I had no idea that Thunderbird could run as fast as other native Linux applications.  Wow, snap royally sucks.
[08:17] <iKarus987> garted now its gone
[08:17] <iKarus987> that !
[08:17] <iKarus987> thing
[08:17] <boby> restarted windows?
[08:17] <iKarus987> no...
[08:17] <iKarus987> restarted gparted
[08:17] <boby> oh i see
[08:17] <iKarus987> so whats next?
[08:17] <boby> im not sure
[08:18] <boby> right click the partition and click information
[08:18] <iKarus987> ok
[08:18] <iKarus987> u want image?
[08:18] <boby> yup
[08:19] <HypothesisFrog> hi. I don't know if this is OS related or not, but I installed ubuntu studio 20.04 on my Compaq 8200, and now I can't re boot so it's possible to get into BIOS. It just goes straight to grub. Is that an OS issue?
[08:21] <iKarus987> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1030707353542712570/9F3B3A6FD460F07B5664579784486259364C5FEF/
[08:22] <boby> so um.. can u try chdisk in windows?
[08:23] <iKarus987> ohh i have to go into windows
[08:23] <boby> yup
[08:26] <boby> https://i.imgur.com/SnSLnIw.png
[08:26] <boby> this is how it looks
[08:26] <boby> everything is so small
[08:31] <itsme5n> which is the latest version of ubuntu
[08:31] <iKarus987> Thanks boby
[08:31] <iKarus987> i manged to figure it out
[08:32] <iKarus987> without going to windows
[08:32] <iKarus987> thanks for the help though
[08:34] <boby> how'd u do it
[08:39] <fub> Hi. How do I deactivate the autostart of virtualbox which is installed?
[08:39] <Randolf> Slart: I see a symlink called ~/snap/thunderbird/current which links to ./47 but that directory doesn't exist (others with higher numbers do).  So I think snap must have screwed up with the updates and that's why things stopped working.
[08:40] <Randolf> fub:  Are you using headless mode, or GUI?
[08:41] <fub> Randolf: headless (because of vagrant)
[08:41] <fub> I want to start some KVM stuff which fails. I read virtualbox might be a problem so Im looking for a way to disable it
[08:41] <fub> dont want to remove it
[08:41] <Randolf> fub:  You'll want to use a command like this:  vboxmanage modifyvm $VMNAME --autostart-enabled off
[08:41] <Randolf> Change "off" to "on" to enable it again.
[08:42] <Randolf> This assumes, of course, that this is the method that was used to auto-start it.
[08:43] <Randolf> s/auto-start it/configure auto-start/
[08:43] <fub> Randolf: I dont want to disable a specific VM, I want to disable whole virtualbox
[08:44] <fub> when I start ubuntu, I can see some virtualbox processes running. I guess this blocks my KVM stuff, so I want to disable virtualbox from starting when I boot
[08:51] <Randolf> fub:  VirtualBox doesn't work like Xen or others -- each individual service will have to be stopped.
[08:53] <fub> Randolf: so how do I see what services I need to stop?
[09:15] <ferz> Hello.
[09:16] <ferz> Is there a nodejs 12.x LTS package?  Using apt search I've found only version nodejs 10.x
[09:29] <ducasse> !info nodejs focal
[09:30] <ducasse> ferz: ^^ that is what is available
[09:34] <oerheks> if you really want to, https://snapcraft.io/node
[09:34] <oerheks> 10/11/12/13/14
[09:35]  * oerheks scrolls down
[09:35] <oerheks> 6/8/9 ..
[10:11] <multihunter> Hi! I have two open terminals in Ubuntu 18.04 (machine A) which are connected to another machine (machine B) via SSH and running commands on machine B. The commands are some bash loops for example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YcGBCrcvsr/ Now, I need to restart the desktop without killing those programs running on machine B via the SSH. What's the solution?
[10:14] <DJones> multihunter: screen or byobu should do that
[10:14] <DJones> !screen
[10:14] <multihunter> DJones: Will it work if the terminals are already open and those processes are already running?
[10:15] <DJones> multihunter: I run an irssi instance through byobu on one machine and connect to it from different computers without any disconnections
[10:16] <DJones> multihunter: No, you'd have to start screen or byobu first, then start the scripts before rebooting machine A
[10:16] <multihunter> Problem is that I was running those processes since several days ago and my desktop is not lagging and somehow unresponsive. But I don't want to stop those processes and rerun from scratch
[10:16] <multihunter> *is now lagging
[10:16] <DJones> multihunter: I'm not sure if there is any other way, maybe somebody else will know though
[10:17] <multihunter> Thanks
[10:21] <ducasse> multihunter: you could try dtach
[10:22] <oerheks> Ctrl+Z to stop (pause) the program and get back to the shell, and use disown? https://stackoverflow.com/a/625436,  or short: disown -a ???
[10:24] <diskman> Hello together. I'm currently setting up a new Box with the latest 20.04 Server. I'm using the strongswan ipsec server. There's a bug in strongswan pki which leads to invalid generated CA certificates. This is fixed in the official strongswan releases but not in the ubuntu db package. Is there any way to know if or when a specific bug will be fixed
[10:24] <diskman> in an ubuntu package?
[10:25] <diskman> *deb package
[10:28] <ph88> i'm trying a dist upgrade but something is going wrong https://bpa.st/JDJQ what can i do about it ?
[10:29] <multihunter> oerheks: Will that work if the program is running in a loop like: for i in {1..3}; do ./prog ${i} |& tee log.out; done
[10:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:41] <bluesceada> hey, since the update to ubuntu 20.04 from 18.04 some fonts look ugly, especially in web browsers. What could that be? If i don't allow websites to choose their own fonts, it is better
[10:42] <bluesceada> maybe some common font got removed and something strange is used now as replacement on some websites
[10:57] <Neeknaim> Hello
[10:57] <luna_> hi
[11:00] <Neeknaim> Few days ago I had a problem with one of my PCs that had kubuntu 18.04 on one of its drives. I installed kubuntu 20.04 on another drive, and it caused a mess where I couldn't boot kubuntu-18.04. Jordan_U helped me create a custom.cfg file to put into the grub /boot/grub to sort this out, and I could load 18.04. But after doing a grub-installer I'm faced with the same problem on the other side, now I can't boot kubuntu 20.04. I'm wondering if the way to
[11:00] <Neeknaim> fix it is creating another custom.cfg file, now to be put on the kubuntu 18.04 /boot/grub dir, so it will link to the EFI partition of the kubuntu 20.04 drive.
[11:09] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: sure
[11:09] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: tbh it sounds like some x-y problem
[11:09] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: can you paste the output of "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:17] <mra90> if I have a tty device wwhich i can log into by sudo minicom -D /dev/pts/12 how can I make this pts/12 a server on local ip so I can ssh into this
[11:22] <Bluerate> hello all, I need to clean up ubuntu 18.0 as being installed without a bootable device... any advice
[11:23] <oerheks> yay kernel update 18.04  5.3.0.53.109
[11:24] <Bluerate> oerheks: how to do that..
[11:25] <akik> Bluerate: what does your question mean?
[11:27] <Bluerate> akik: I have a working Ubuntu 18.0 with installed packages, need to remove all that as being reintalled
[11:27] <Bluerate> oerheks: how to do that. what do you mean?
[11:27] <akik> Bluerate: you can just start the reinstall, and initialize the partition. that gets rid of all the previous packages
[11:28] <Bluerate> akik: I dont' have a bootable device... is there a way to do that without a bootable devie?
[11:29] <oerheks> back, just rebooted
[11:29] <oerheks> missed your question, Bluerate
[11:29] <akik> Bluerate: ok you mean you don't have a usb stick or dvd-drive to do the installation?
[11:29] <Bluerate> akik: yes
[11:29] <oerheks> sd card perhaps?
[11:30] <Bluerate> what about upgrade ... is that removes my whole installed packages?
[11:30] <akik> Bluerate: it's possible to boot the installer iso from grub but it's pretty difficult process
[11:30] <oerheks> sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:31] <Bluerate> oerheks: what's that command
[11:32] <oerheks> it re-installs your desktop? that is, if you can boot in your ubuntu.
[11:33] <Bluerate> Ok
[11:43] <absence> i did snap list on my system, and there seems to be more than one version of gnome installed? why does this happen? aren't old versions automatically removed during upgrade and so on? should i remove them manually? here's the output: https://pastebin.com/RudBhBdt
[11:48] <oerheks> absence, you can remove the older ones, ubuntu just keeps up to 3 versions installed.
[11:48] <oerheks> by design
[11:50] <oerheks> one can tweak snaps to retain 2 versions, see https://superuser.com/a/1361201
[11:52] <absence> oerheks: thanks, in that case i don't think i'll bother with it manually
[11:53] <oerheks> oke, have fun!
[12:02] <jost> Hello! I have a weird problem: I have an executable that I want to run as service. This executable has permissions 0550 and belongs to a system user and system group with disabled login and password. However, when trying to execute the file (as that system user, with absolute path to the executable), I get "No such file or directory". But when doing an ls on that file (as that system user) it lists the file. And when doing a 'cat' on tha
[12:02] <jost> t file (again as that system user), it dumps the file. What could be the problem here?
[12:03] <Bluerate> oerheks: I tried with sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:03] <Bluerate> but doesn't work
[12:03] <EriC^^> jost: how are you executing the file? "/path/to/file" ?
[12:03] <oerheks> that is not the command i gave you;  sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <Bluerate> is that all
[12:04] <jost> EriC^^, yes
[12:04] <jost> EriC^^, actually: `sudo -u <system user> /path/to/file
[12:05] <EriC^^> jost: try for a second, sudo -Hsu <your user>
[12:05] <EriC^^> and experiment from that shell
[12:05] <artistsvoid> I have a very fresh ubuntu 20.04 install but can't install gnome-tweak-tool or gnome-tweaks, output here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r6rn57gJ4Z/
[12:05] <EriC^^> jost: i mean system user, not your
[12:06] <oerheks> artistsvoid, first update properly; sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ## then install
[12:06] <jost> EriC^^, yes, I tried - in the system-user console I still get 'No such file or directory'. But ls lists the file
[12:07] <jost> EriC^^, as regular file, not a symlink or something.
[12:07] <EriC^^> jost: can you pastebin the shell output and commands, it's very odd
[12:07] <EriC^^> try "sudo -Hsu <system user>"
[12:08] <EriC^^> "ls -l /path/to/file"
[12:08] <artistsvoid> oerheks: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:08] <EriC^^> "head -1 /path/to/file"
[12:08] <EriC^^> jost: then "/path/to/file"
[12:09] <EriC^^> jost: maybe it is being executed, and that's the error from the script itself?
[12:11] <jost> EriC^^, I doubt it, because the filename is printed in front of the "No such file or directory" message
[12:11] <jost> EriC^^, http://dpaste.com/3ECGB10
[12:12] <oerheks> artistsvoid, oke, try again installing, you have up2date lists now.
[12:12] <EriC^^> jost: what script language is it written in? bash?
[12:13] <artistsvoid> oerheks: well I obviously tried that, it doesn't work
[12:13] <jost> EriC^^, Output of file: /opt/keil-license-server/lmgrd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
[12:13] <artistsvoid> oerheks: same
[12:14] <jost> EriC^^, Maybe a dynamically linked library is missing?
[12:14] <EriC^^> jost: what do you have in "ls -l /lib64" ?
[12:15] <EriC^^> jost: i dunno, it seems something in bash isn't right
[12:16] <Bluerate> oerheks: it's the same as previous
[12:16] <jost> EriC^^, /lib64 is a symlink to /usr/lib64, and that only contains "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Apr 14 19:26 ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so"
[12:16] <Bluerate> how to reinstall ubuntu without usb?
[12:16] <EriC^^> jost: try "/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /path/to/file"
[12:17] <jost> EriC^^, thanks, that works
[12:17] <EriC^^> jost: very weird
[12:18] <EriC^^> jost: is /opt on a seperate fs than the rest of the system?
[12:18] <jost> How does this happen? Because the binary was build for some other distribution and the ld-path was hardcoded?
[12:18] <jost> EriC^^, no, just one fs for the whole system
[12:18] <jost> (except for the filesystems that ubuntu automatically creates)
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> Bluerate: just cleanup your system, add a new user, done?
[12:19] <EriC^^> aha
[12:19] <EriC^^> jost: i wonder if using sudo -Hu <your user> -s /bin/sh
[12:19] <EriC^^> how it would behave with /path/to/file
[12:21] <jost> EriC^^, Same error, file not found
[12:21] <Bluerate> lotuspsychje: what you mean by clean up?
[12:21] <EriC^^> jost: or maybe running "set -x" in bash first then trying "/path/to/file" might show more debug info in bash
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> Bluerate: sudo apt purge package1 package2 package3
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | Bluerate
[12:25] <jost> EriC^^, no, not really... but creating a symlink 'ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so' in /usr/lib64 seems to work
[12:31] <Bluerate> ubottu: what do you mean?
[12:32] <Bluerate> lotuspsychje: what do you mean
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> Bluerate: you want a clean ubuntu system again you said?
[12:33] <artistsvoid> I am about to throw my notebook out the window, ubuntu 20.04, gnome, can someone help getting a CLEAN desktop (no trash icon, no folders, nothing) and help stop gnome auto-creating folders in ~/ ideally without gnome-tweak-tool (since I can't install it...)
[12:33] <Bluerate> yes
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> Bluerate: install bleachbit, scan, and make space free
[12:39] <three> Bluerate: just go buy a flash drive they're useful to have and then you can get a clean install
[12:41] <itsme5n> hi
[12:51] <jost> EriC^^, it works now, thank you for your help!
[12:52] <Bluerate> three: yeah, this is what im doing
[12:53] <three> Bluerate: plus then you can try out 20.04
[13:05] <EriC^^> jost: great! no problem
[13:08] <caixavirt> shinobi_, how about remmina?
[13:16] <Neeknaim> EriC^^: sda is the kubuntu 18.04 drive, and sdd (IIRC sometimes appear as sde if I have a liveUSB connected), is the kubuntu 20.04 drive.
[13:32] <goddard> i think i found a security bug
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> whats it about goddard
[13:33] <goddard> when using npm installed from the repos some how it can create files owned by root
[13:34] <goddard> i have a project i was working on and it happens every time
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> goddard: wich ubuntu version and npm version ?
[14:22] <Schnabeltierchen> goddard try the --insecure flag while installing
[14:38] <jdoe93204> I have bought Ubuntu Desktop and now it says my GNU/Linux copy is not activated.
[14:38] <jdoe93204> This message is from some software 'glat-client'.
[14:39] <versionsix> bought Ubuntu Desktop?
[14:39] <jdoe93204> Fully packaged product
[14:39] <versionsix> where did you buy it?
[14:40] <younder> jdoe93204, bought? get it for free from https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=20.04&architecture=amd64
[14:40] <jdoe93204> Some local software shop
[14:40] <younder> for eaxmple
[14:40] <versionsix> get it from the official link
[14:40] <jdoe93204> What to do with this copy? What is "GNU/Linux Activation Technologies"?
[14:41] <versionsix> it seems to be a scam
[14:41] <versionsix> and hoax/meme
[14:41] <versionsix> only use official copies
[14:42] <versionsix> the repo of glat-client says
[14:42] <versionsix> `This repository is satire related to the Windows keyservers going down in the early 2000s making all legitimate Windows XP seem pirated. There is no real Linux Genuine Advantage`
[14:42] <jdoe93204> https://notabug.org/GLAT/howtotell/issues/1
[14:43] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: sda is the 18.10?
[14:43] <jdoe93204> "GLAT is not joke."
[14:43] <jdoe93204> s/t j/t a j/
[14:43] <Neeknaim> EriC^^: sda is 18.04
[14:43] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: and you're booted in the new 20.04 now right?
[14:44] <Neeknaim> nope
[14:44] <jdoe93204> Should I remove this copy and install one from Ubuntu website?
[14:44] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: ah
[14:44] <younder> jdoe93204, yes
[14:44] <Neeknaim> this is not possible. I'm on 18.04 now. two days ago I was only able to load 20.04, then Jordan_U helped me with this custom.cfg file, and I was able to load 18.04
[14:45] <jdoe93204> Oh, I found product key label with Ubuntu logo. Some UUID here. Is it any useful?
[14:45] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: ok which one is 20.04 between the devices?
[14:45] <Neeknaim> After I entered 18.04 I run grub installer so that 18.04 will be the default
[14:46] <younder> Neeknaim, Do I get this right. You installed 20.04 and tried to downgrade to 18.08?
[14:46] <TomyWork> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libirs160 shit, i can't hide anything from the IRS now! :D
[14:46] <Neeknaim> sdd is 20.04
[14:46] <three> hold on did you say you bought ubuntu from a local store?
[14:47] <versionsix> looks like it
[14:47] <three> go and demand you money back
[14:47] <Neeknaim> younder: No. I had 18.04 on one HD, sda. Then I installed 20.04 to another drive, sdd. But this conflicted with the boot of 18.04
[14:47] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: ok, what i think is going on is that sda 18.04 is installed in uefi mode, whereas the newer 20.04 is installed in legacy mode, and maybe that's why it's not picking it up
[14:48] <versionsix> legally you can actually demand your money back, since redestribution of a modified ubuntu copy and calling it ubuntu is a trademark violation
[14:48] <Neeknaim> younder: And I wasn't able to load 18.04. Jordan_U helped me fix this, but after I run the grub installer from 18.04, I can't boot 20.04.
[14:48] <Neeknaim> For some reason there's no boot menu that can show both of them. I don't know why
[14:49] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: on 18.04 is os-prober installed? try "dpkg -l | grep os-prober"
[14:49] <Neeknaim> EriC^^: I think 20.04 is also UEFI, because it has two partitions, and one of them says EFI: Disk /dev/sdd: 120GB     1      1049kB  538MB   537MB  fat32        EFI System Partition  boot, esp
[14:50] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: ah sorry my bad i was thinking sdb
[14:51] <younder> Neeknaim, When I need to use multiple versions I use VirtualBox. I have never had a need to have two versions of the same OS on disk.
[14:51] <Neeknaim> the command I run gave: ii os0prober     1.74ubuntu1    amd    utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives
[14:51] <three> wait neeknaim are the two installations on the same disk or 2 disks in the same system?
[14:52] <Neeknaim> It's not the same OS, one is 18.04 the other 20.04. And the second is about to become a ubuntu studio system
[14:52] <Neeknaim> three: two different HD
[14:53] <three> if you just install them both as uefi you can just use your bios as a boot manager
[14:53] <three> no need for grub
[14:53] <Neeknaim> each has it's whole complete HD (which is divided into 1. boot, FAT, 2. EFI, ext3, 3. root, ext4 encrypted
[14:53] <Neeknaim> sorry, ext4 not ext3
[14:54] <Neeknaim> three: That's what I hoped for
[14:54] <Neeknaim> But this didn't happen. I wasn't able to load 18.04 when I chose sda.
[14:54] <Neeknaim> I encountered a grub - minimal bash like line
[14:55] <Neeknaim> which was alarming
[14:55] <three> that normally happens when you havent configured grub
[14:55] <Neeknaim> I have no idea why I can't use the computer's boot menu to chose the os
[14:56] <Neeknaim> How should I configure it? Currently it doesn't recognize the other system
[14:56] <rangergord> What was the network management package that Ubuntu used before network-manager?
[14:56] <three> dumb question but i have to make sure is uefi enbaled
[14:56] <three> you could chroot into the system and configuregrub
[14:57] <Neeknaim> three: AFAIK UEFI is enabled. I think I enabled it two years ago when I first booted the machine, but I can verify.
[14:57] <EriC^^> i think actually it should pick up the kernels in the boot partition
[14:58] <Neeknaim> maybe grub installer didn't recognize the other OS because its drive wasn't auto-mounted upon entering 18.04?
[14:58] <EriC^^> i dont think it will pick up any ubuntu efi's, i just looked into /usr/lib/os-probes
[14:58] <three> how did you go about installing grub
[14:58] <EriC^^> it just has probes for the microsoft efi file and elilo
[14:58] <Neeknaim> three: When?
[14:59] <three> I mean like did you manually install it
[14:59] <three> one both systems
[14:59] <three> on*
[14:59] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: try to mount the other boot partition, and run 'sudo update-grub' and see what happens in your grub.cfg in case that helps
[15:01] <Neeknaim> three: When the system was installed, it installed grub automatically. Only now when I had the troubles, I run grub-installer from within 18.04 so it will lock 18.04 as the default
[15:02] <Neeknaim> EriC^^: Is there a way to see if update-grub is going to recognize the other system before update-grub is finalizing and writing to grub?
[15:03] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: yeah, you could do 'sudo grub-mkconfig' it should spit out the output to the console
[15:03] <EriC^^> or grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/mygrub.cfg
[15:03] <EriC^^> and look at the file
[15:04] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: can you pastebin the output of it? cat /tmp/mygrub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:04] <tripelb> .. help. My dm vanishes and c-alt-f2 won't give me a prompt in my installed 20.04 I don't know what to do. (Yes I have a liveUSB at hand.
[15:05] <Neeknaim> just a sec, let me check
[15:05] <three> tripelb what desktop environment are you using?
[15:06] <tripelb> 20.04 regular.  Three
[15:06] <tripelb> 3  But .. I added mate But that didn't work so it might have changed the DE
[15:07] <three> can you boot into gnome (your desktop environment) when you reboot the system and then it goes black or is it just black when you boot it
[15:07] <tripelb> threee I can't boot into gnome because The sign in Gizmo disappears. Then if I try control alt f2 the screen goes black instead of giving me a prompt
[15:07] <three> did this start happening after you installed mate
[15:08] <tripelb> Not just after I installed it. A few days after.
[15:08] <tripelb> threee it took some days.
[15:08] <tripelb> I know
[15:10] <three> it doesnt give you a login prompt when you do ctrl+alt+f2 try using the other f buttons to see if one of the shells will give you a login prompt
[15:10] <tripelb> threee I know I installed lightdm then was unable to ascertain WHICH dm I was using. I gave up because zoom became more important.. then chrome kept making the functioning of my computer go to zero.
[15:11] <tripelb> Okay I'm on my phone now. I can go try that.
[15:11] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: it's possible you need to mount the actual os 20.04
[15:11] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: try to mount the os, mount its /boot partition under /mnt/boot and try sudo grub-mkconfig again
[15:12] <EriC^^> and possibly also mount its efi partition under /mnt/boot/efi
[15:14] <three> Eric^^ hows he suppose to mount them when hes not in the os
[15:15] <three> i suppose he could go from a live usb
[15:16] <three> neeknaim this seems relevant to what eric is saying too https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Detecting_other_operating_systems
[15:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
[15:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am running 18 and i need a 5.x kernel
[15:17] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | Eryn_1983_FL
[15:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the apt one liner linux-kernel?
[15:18] <leftyfb> Eryn_1983_FL: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> let me look it up...
[15:19] <Neeknaim> If I run "sudo  grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/mygrub.cfg" it will not change my grub definition, right? even though I need to use "sudo"
[15:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> 18.04.4
[15:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> server
[15:20] <three> no the grub config is stored in like /boot/GRUB i think that command just makes a config file using sudo just lets you create the file in /tmp
[15:20] <three> ...i think. that command*
[15:21] <three> yeah the actualy config should be at /boot/grub
[15:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> linux-??
[15:22] <three> Eryn_1983_FL why do you need the 5.x kernal
[15:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am testing apples to apples..
[15:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to fight docker slowness so i am comparing
[15:23] <shinobi_> caixavirt: So just use vncserver with remmina?
[15:25] <Neeknaim> OK, I have the grub.cfg output, I'll paste it to pastebin
[15:26] <rangergord> I'm trying to understand how a brand new Ubuntu 20.04 has its network configuration done. Like if I was inspecting it from the terminal. https://hastebin.com/ofuyuvuyep.txt   See here, /etc/network/interfaces is empty, so is netplan, so is NetworkManager.conf. So how did enp0s3 get its DHCP config?
[15:26] <rangergord> well, not "empty" but they dont refer to that interface
[15:27] <three> rangergord ill be honest i havent looked into 20.04s networking really
[15:27] <Neeknaim> EriC^^, three: Now it sees the 20.04 edition but it's on /dev/mapper/vgkubuntu-root I don't know if that's relevant for the boot operation, because /dev/mapper/vgkubuntu-root is the address from the 18.04 edition
[15:34] <LinuxActivate> Your GNU/Linux license is not valid.
[15:34] <LinuxActivate> Purchase GNU/Linux license from us.
[15:34] <three> lmao
[15:35] <three> how much is linux gonna cost me
[15:35] <LinuxActivate> $99
[15:36] <LinuxActivate> three: $49 if 25 or more computers
[15:36] <three> what a steal
[15:38] <oerheks> !ops
[15:38] <three> how do i go about paying it do i just mail it to some address in india
[15:38] <oerheks> LinuxActivate, leave this channel and #freenode, thanks
[15:40] <three> i like how he didnt even say activate ubuntu he just said activate linux lmao
[15:40] <tripelb> THREE 20.04 HP logged in. So far per your instructions (Now what?).
[15:40] <three> triplelb so wait your logged in to a shell then?
[15:41] <tripelb> Right. (Thanks I didn't know that you could try different f keys and get different results. Cool)
[15:41] <pyusr> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to connect my BT mouse, I need each time to manually (in GUI) to disconnect it, and reconnect it, to make it to work, ideas ? (not re-pair it)
[15:42] <three> yeah each one is a different tty. try doing sudo systemctl status lightdm
[15:42] <tripelb> Right. (Thanks I didn't know that you could try different f keys and get different results. Cool) three
[15:42] <three> see if lightdm is fighting with the gnome desktop manager
[15:42] <tripelb> Ok three I will do ..
[15:44] <tripelb> threee it is telling me lots all about light display Manager
[15:45] <three> does it say its active?
[15:45] <tripelb> threee yes it is active
[15:45] <leftyfb> Eryn_1983_FL: linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 is the hwe kernel
[15:46] <three> try this. run sudo systemctl disable lightdm and the reboot and see if youre able to log in
[15:46] <tripelb> Ok 3
[15:46] <three> btw you can press q to get out of the long thing about lightdm
[15:51] <tripelb>  Three nothing changed. Like the last time it rebooted it booted into black. I want to show you what the screen looked like from the commands you gave me.   https://i.imgur.com/pO8xjIp.jpg
[15:53] <tripelb> threee I am now signed into the CLI again
[15:53] <tripelb> threee ^^
[15:53] <tripelb> threee ^^
[15:53] <three> did you disable light dm. if you run the systemctl stutus lightdm it should not be active, correct?
[15:54] <tripelb> It keeps turning three I to three.
[15:54] <three> haha its okay im just chilling in this channel
[15:54] <three> ill see your stuff
[15:54] <tripelb> . Three yes. You can see it on the image of the screen . I linked
[15:54] <three> run sudo systemctl status lightdm again it should not be active right
[15:55] <three> the image you sent it is active
[15:55] <tripelb> Status inactive       three(now)
[15:57] <tripelb> . Three how can I check if there is another dm now active?
[15:57] <three> make sure that lightdm is disabled and gdm is enabled
[15:57] <three> systemctl status gdm will show the status of the gnome display manager
[15:57] <tripelb> Gdm is also inactive three. (I ran the same status command with gdm)
[15:58] <tripelb> Sybch
[15:58] <tripelb> . Synch
[15:58] <three> okay run systemctl disable lightdm and then run systemctl enable gdm
[15:58] <tripelb> Check will do
[15:58] <three> run those with sudo btw
[15:58] <three> once those are done try rebooting
[16:02] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: sorry, im back
[16:02] <tripelb> threee is is missing an installation config  https://i.imgur.com/MFsOQt4.jpg
[16:02] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: did you mount the stuff and try running grub-mkconfig?
[16:03] <three> tripelb that just means its enabled some where else. Im dont use ubuntu on the desktop much so i didnt know but its probably enabled somewhere else
[16:03] <three> try rebooting now that lightdm is disabled though and see if gdm starts
[16:04] <tripelb> . I already did that once. Will repeat.
[16:05] <three> if you can take an image of what happens when you boot
[16:06] <EriC^^> Neeknaim: the grub config you pasted looks good
[16:06] <tripelb> . Three. I see: mate hp grub mate splash again...  And black. ... And I am logged in to the CLI again
[16:07] <three> run systemctl status gdm and see if its stated. if it isnt try running sudo systemctl start gdm then run startx
[16:08] <tripelb> I already did that three and it is: loaded enabled inactive.    Will do those 2 new commands...
[16:09] <three> if its inactive then it isnt stating
[16:09] <three> run systemctl start gdm and it will start gdm and then run startx which will hopefully bring you into the gui
[16:11] <tripelb> . Three the start gdm command brought up the dm in The gui. I signed in.
[16:11] <tripelb> Now I will reboot and see if that works.
[16:14] <three> so youre in? doing the start command will only start it in your current session not whne you reboot. Idk why it wouldnt let you enable it in systemd but i would uninstall it and reinstall it. (sudo apt-get purge gdm) (sudo apt-get install gdm) then run sudo systemctl enable gdm and reboot
[16:14] <tripelb> threee nope. Still boots into black.
[16:14] <three> thats because it needs to be enabled
[16:14] <tripelb> Wait I didn't read that last comment of yours yet three
[16:15] <three> try uninstalling it and reinstalling it like above
[16:15] <tripelb> I had tried sudo apt install GDM previously but I'll do it again after an uninstall. Three
[16:17] <tripelb> . Three It told me that GDM is not installed so not removed. That was in response to my purge request. I will now attempt to install it.
[16:17] <pa> Hi, trying to ask this again: any clue about https://askubuntu.com/questions/1212689/19-10-nomachine-nxclient-3-5-0-7-amd64-deb ?
[16:17] <tripelb> . Three package GDM has no installation candidate.
[16:19] <three> well thats strange cause obviously gdm is installed
[16:19] <three> is gdm called something different in the ubuntu repositories does anyone know?
[16:20] <tripelb> tripelb holds her head in her hands (I just wanted a system that works. 1804 was constantly messing up and beside it wouldn't play well with the Wi-Fi). Now I have a special needs child 20.04
[16:23] <three> run apt list | grep gdm
[16:23] <three> do you get any output?
[16:23] <tripelb> .Three I went here and did this.
[16:23] <three> oh im dumb
[16:23] <tripelb> Wait a sec
[16:23] <three> its gdm3 not gdm
[16:24] <three> do "sudo apt-get purge gdm3" "sudo apt-get install gdm3" "sudo systemctl enable gdm"
[16:24] <tripelb> https://www.google.com/amp/s/techpiezo.com/linux/switch-display-manager-in-ubuntu-20-04/amp/ three there and I have a screen that allows me to switch my default to gdm3 so...
[16:25] <tripelb> ... three so I now have gdm3 highlighted but I can't get to the ok.. I don't know how. This is kb mouse isn't active.
[16:25] <three> im not sure i understand what you did from this link
[16:26] <tripelb> Well now I'm just stuck so I'm going to try to control C and see what this does
[16:27] <tripelb> . Three this was the stuck. I asked to install gdm3 oh malarky I forgot to purge first. Will report in a sec.
[16:29] <three> you just need to get gdm enabled. If you get stuck try looking up whatever error it gives you when you run systemctl enable gdm. if it doesnt give you an error you should be good. Im going afk for a bit
[16:29] <tripelb> This was the stuck place. https://i.imgur.com/d9HTQGM.jpg
[16:30] <tripelb> Thanks three It took me 3 days to get anybody to answer and we got somewhere for sure. Bye
[16:31] <three> ill be back. try choosing gdm from that list using the arrow keys and enter. if that doesnt work try uninstalling lightdm too before you install gdm (sudo apt-get purge lightdm)
[16:32] <tripelb> Works three it was the 3 that made all the diff
[16:37] <analogical> where can I download the official Ubuntu 20.04 wallpapers?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-wallpapers | analogical
[16:41] <jeddo> when installing with apt-get, sometimes packages will have a dash after its version number (e.g. 7.0-1). What is the -1 indicating in this case?
[16:41] <analogical> lotuspsychje, how does that answer my question?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> analogical: do you use ubuntu?
[16:42] <analogical> lotuspsychje, no I don't
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> analogical: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers
[16:48] <pyusr> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to connect my BT mouse, I need each time to manually (in GUI) to disconnect it, and reconnect it, to make it to work, ideas ? (not re-pair it)
[16:55] <ItzSwirlz> Hello
[16:55] <luna_> hey
[16:56] <pyusr> it is very annoying, since i'm switching the mouse between two computers constantly..
[16:59] <sarnold> cgi: excellent :D what did you decide on?
[17:06] <three> tripelb glad to hear its working now
[17:10] <analogical> lotuspsychje, thanks for the link earlier. Would you also happen to know of a fast image viewer (not editor) for Linux?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> analogical: image viewers for ubuntu, eog, shotwell
[17:14] <three> mirage is what use as an image viewer but i run arch not ubuntu and i know mirage is only in the AUR not the official repositories
[17:14] <tripelb> pyusr https://itstillworks.com/use-bluetooth-mouse-multiple-computers-8691917.html. Just a guess
[17:14] <tripelb> threee since fossa has been such a headache for me on this AMD HP computer do you think Arch would be any better?
[17:15] <cgi> is anyone here running a private PPA here? How can I install things on an ubuntu box from my own server privately/securely?
[17:15] <tripelb> . Three I just want a system that works, with the panel on top and a taskbar on the bottom and an application tree, thank you very much.
[17:15] <pyusr> tripelb: it's not even a guess... it WORKS, i just need to manually disable / enable it each time I want to use it on ubuntu, when it switches...
[17:15] <AlexMax> How do I get xrandr scaling settings to apply everywhere?  GDM, all user accounts, etc.
[17:16] <tripelb> pyusr So you were saying that that website did not have a better answer for you than you have already?
[17:16] <tripelb> Or were you just riffing from the title of the website
[17:17] <pyusr> just stop it
[17:17] <tripelb> If both computers are on at the same time PYuser I can't see how you could get it to use the computer you wanted
[17:17] <AlexMax> I think this xrandr question is where it's really easy to get an answer, but the wrong answer for an old or different distro, which is why I ask in here.
[17:17] <pyusr> i have a button on the mouse to switch to anothe computer
[17:17] <tripelb> nikowo problem babe. I'm just here to help clearly I'm not asking the right questions
[17:17] <three> tripelb i mean since im an arch user of course im gonna say you should try arch but what i tend to recommend to people is manjaro. its probably the best packaged distro ive used and its built on arch so you will gain arch knowledge from using it. Personally I'd recommend the xfce version of manjaro. xfce is a fantastic desktop environment and you can customize it pretty much however youd like. I dont really know the rules of this channel so i hope i dont
[17:17] <three> get banned for talking all good about manjaro lol
[17:18] <pyusr> it works with all other computers, besides this one where i have to manually enable / disable the connection in ubuntu settings, each time i switch to it
[17:18] <tripelb> . Three I asked and let's go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:19] <three> pyusr have you used it on other linux distros/installs
[17:19] <three> sure ill join that channel
[17:19] <pyusr> IIRC nop, just windows and mac
[17:50] <b1ackandwh1te> i'm sorry for the ignorance, but why ubuntu chose snap instead of flatpack and other options?
[17:50] <jrwren> blazeme8: canonical developed snap for ubuntu phone long before flatpack existed.
[17:51] <pyusr> where can I see the bluetooth logs in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[17:54] <oerheks> pyusr, probably in /var/log/syslog
[17:54] <pyusr> yeah, I'm asking after not seeing nothing there about bluetooth..
[17:54] <oerheks> and auth logs?
[17:55] <pyusr> how is that related /
[17:55] <oerheks> there is no dedicated log, but you can makeon, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingBluetooth#On_Ubuntu_Desktop
[17:57] <hggdh> I do not have bluetooth devices, but perhaps journalctl | grep -i blue will show something
[17:58] <RoseBus> using gpg how can i show my public key?
[17:59] <oerheks> ls ~/.ssh/*.pub
[17:59] <pyusr> it sees the mouse as a keyboard ? strange.. anyhow, there are stuff there, but i think they are not related
[17:59] <RoseBus> oerheks, this is for gpg not ssh
[17:59] <kaur_devel_> hi
[17:59] <mesaboogie> gpg --list-keys
[18:00] <oerheks> oops
[18:00] <kaur_devel_> hi
[18:00] <RoseBus> mesaboogie, that lists my keys by name but it doesn't show me my public key
[18:00] <kaur_devel_> gpg --list-keys
[18:01] <RoseBus> gpg --list-keys does not show me the public key itself, it just lists all my keys by name
[18:06] <pyusr> gpg --list-public-keys ?
[18:06] <pyusr> https://serverfault.com/questions/941254/how-to-get-only-the-pub-part-of-gpg-list-public-keys
[18:08] <RoseBus> i figured it out, i need gpg --armor --export
[18:59] <hoarycripple> exit
[19:00] <hoarycripple> oops
[19:49] <xfechx> Hello everyone
[19:50] <xfechx> I have a question regarding limiting a user from accessing certain folder inside /var/www/, but still be able to be in the www-data group
[19:50] <xfechx> it's my first time here, so not sure if I am in the right place asking this.
[19:50] <Munsko> You mean dont allow him to enter there?
[19:50] <Munsko> or dont run the url?
[19:51] <xfechx> Munsko yes - I would like him to have access to all other folders inside /var/www/ (i.e the access of www-data group), but limit access to a 'includes' folder only
[19:51] <xfechx> he is already a member of www-data group
[19:52] <Munsko> hmm
[19:52] <Munsko> no idea of how do it really, but you could find a channel related to apache
[19:52] <Munsko> apache is the http program i think
[19:52] <xfechx> more than an apache question, it's about linux permissions specifically
[19:53] <Munsko> They could answer properly that
[19:53] <Munsko> oh
[19:53] <Munsko> you mean permissions
[19:53] <xfechx> yes
[19:53] <Munsko> i thought it were on url
[19:53] <Munsko> sorry
[19:53] <xfechx> nope, just basic permissions for accessing files
[19:53] <Munsko> tried with the permissions on the properties of the folder?
[19:54] <Munsko> Find the folder: right click, propierties, and find the group of the user, and then forbid his acces to the folder
[19:54] <xfechx> I am on terminal
[19:54] <xfechx> so looking for a command
[19:54] <Munsko> oh, try searching chmod commands
[19:55] <Munsko> and the correct code for that
[19:55] <xfechx> ok, thanks for your help!
[19:55] <Munsko> i.e 777 is total allow to modify/see
[19:55] <oerheks> i think you want ACL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[20:03] <xfechx> thanks oerheks
[20:03] <xfechx> I've never used them before
[20:06] <oerheks> check out #ubuntu-server too
[20:10] <coconut> Anyone here with any experience with Douane firewall?
[20:13] <oerheks> highly unlikely, it is not in our repos, and why is it better than UFW?
[20:15] <coconut> oerheks, just curious whether it is close to little snitch or hands off! under macos.
[20:16] <oerheks> i read: Warning: unfortunately the project is suffering of a kernel freeze bug that can break your machine! https://douaneapp.com/
[20:16] <oerheks> meh
[20:16] <coconut> yeah, i read that too... doesn't look well.
[20:16] <oerheks> i haven't tried though
[20:16] <coconut> me neither :)
[20:20] <vladoski> hi guys, does anyone know where are located the packages installed with snap using --classic?
[20:21] <oerheks> same place, ~/snaps
[20:22] <oerheks> the --classic option is jut a system value, and check out; softwarecenter > installed > <snapname> > permissions too
[20:28] <vladoski> oerheks, i have no ~/snaps directory
[20:29] <oerheks> correction, ~/snap
[20:29] <oerheks> if you don't, you are not running ubuntu.
[20:32] <specter> Can confirm. 18.04 and all of my snap packages are in $HOME/snap directories.
[20:32] <vladoski> yes all my snaps are in there, but all the dirs are kinda empty
[20:33] <sarnold> isn't ~/snap just for data?
[20:34] <sarnold> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/canonical-livepatch_95.snap on /snap/canonical-livepatch/95
[20:34] <sarnold> the squashes look to be in /var/lib/snapd/snaps/
[20:34] <specter> So actual binaries are in /snap ?
[20:35] <oerheks> oh right, that is where the actual snap resists?
[20:35] <vladoski> but can I access the internal files of a snap?
[20:35] <oerheks> got distracted about the --classic option that should give way in your home folder
[20:36] <vladoski> i mean i have to edit this: https://github.com/abusaidm/html-snippets/issues/27 but vscode have not created the .vscode dir in my home
[20:36] <specter> Looks like the binaries are in /snap/bin
[20:36] <sarnold> yeah, I'm not 100% sure on --classic, but I'd expect them to live in roughly the same place..
[20:37] <specter> What does the classic switch do, anyway
[20:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> in my snap i got a few apps like intellij
[20:38] <sarnold> I think --classic skips the apparmor profiles and seccomp rules entirely
[20:39] <sarnold> whereas --devmode tries to use them, but in complain mode or whatever it is seccomp does for a complain-alike
[20:40] <specter> Does that control the sandboxing behavior? Huh, have to look more into this. I hate the fact I can't access files from discord, for instance, unless they're inside it's little snap director in $HOME--it can't see the rest of my file system, not even simlinks.
[20:42] <coconut> specter, it proposes some good times with classic Linux girls
[20:42] <oerheks> yes,it is the old way, check out; softwarecenter > installed > <snapname> > permissions too , some snaps give option for mic/cam/files and more
[20:42] <sarnold> specter: there may a way to "connect" the snap to the "homes interface" to get all your files
[20:43] <sarnold> specter: (not all snaps offer this, but some do)
[20:43] <sarnold> https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management
[20:45] <puff> My laptop running stock ubuntuy 18.04 LTS has the audio muted somehow.  The volume control on the menu bar at the top says it's at max, I don't see any mute control, same for sound settings dialog.
[20:45] <sarnold> puff: usually running pavucontrol is enough to spot whatever's wrong
[20:46] <specter> sarnold: Thanks!
[20:46] <puff> sarnold: Thanks.
[20:50] <Rad> hi all, i'm using ubuntudde desktop 20.04, i have a problem with a window, i set FULLSCREEN MODE ON on it and i don't know how to set it back!! , can someone guide me trough the process or where to go ? tnks
[20:51] <oerheks> F11
[20:51] <puff> sarnold: Hm, it shows activity on the outputs but still no hearing any actual sound.
[20:51] <sarnold> puff: please forgive me, but are all the wires plugged in as expected?
[20:52] <Rad> fuck great oerheks!! thanks dude! i've spent days on a solution on this! thanks a lot bro!
[20:52] <Slart> puff: did you check "alsamixer" in a terminal?
[20:52] <MonsieurBon> Is there a way to tell ubuntu to suspend to disk instead of hibernate when closing the laptop lid?
[20:52] <oerheks> Rad, have fun!
[20:52] <Rad> :D
[20:53] <puff> Slart: No.
[20:53] <studenttu> I bought a new hard drive. What is the best way to format and mount it?
[20:53] <puff> Just ran it, I don't see anything obviously wrong.
[20:54] <puff> Hm, I just realized one thing that changed last night is that I used a usb hub for the external mouse & keyboard rather than directly.
[20:54] <puff> Though I can't see why that would affect audio volume.
[20:55] <studenttu> I bought a new hard drive. What is the best way to format and mount it for ubuntu? On my other hard drive I have 20.04 installed
[20:55] <oerheks> studenttu, format it with 'disks' and mount it in fstab https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[20:56] <oerheks> do not forget to run update-grub after that
[20:57] <oerheks> oh, and that wiki got an odd advise, mounting with fstab, i would choose /mnt/ and leave /media/ for sd cards and usb sticks
[20:57] <oerheks> = removable
[21:00] <vladoski> so how can I access the vscode extension directory?
[21:00] <mesaboogie> vladoski: $HOME/.vscode/extensions
[21:01] <vladoski> mesaboogie, okay thanks
[21:01] <sarnold> MonsieurBon: search for HandleLidSwitch in the logind.conf manpage
[21:05] <oct4v1a> Hi again, I am back with the same issue as yesterday, but not I actually have a cause. So I have a laptop with its own monitor, a mini-DP out, and a VGA out. What I do is plug in the VGA out, it works fine, then plug in the DP out, also works (so I have three monitors now). However, if I remove the miniDP out, the VGA monitor stops working. And if I plug it back, the VGA starts working.
[21:05] <MonsieurBon> sarnold, thx!
[21:05] <oct4v1a> This sounds frivolous but it happens often because the miniDP monitor is actually a wacom tablet so I remove it rather often.
[21:09] <pyzozord> hey in my home directory there is a bunch of default directories with stuff like Music, Downloads, Documents etc. Can I control that? Hide some of them? I also want to add a new one Media.
[21:10] <pyzozord> I want it to have nice icon like the others and behave like the others so show up in the side bar in the file explorer etc
[21:11] <sarnold> pyzozord: yeah, they're mostly yours to do as you wish. if you don't need one, you can remove it
[21:11] <specter_> just be aware that they will most likely be recreated
[21:12] <specter_> if you rename / delete them
[21:12] <pyzozord> but how come those are special? they have icons and they are in file exporer sidebar?
[21:12] <pyzozord> can I stop it from recreating them?
[21:12] <specter_> they're default directories set up by the window manager
[21:12] <sarnold> pyzozord: they come from the "xdg" specifications https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_user_directories
[21:13] <specter_> yeah, that link might have the method to disable them
[21:17] <pyzozord> ok thank you
[21:23] <slyrobot> Today I updated my Laptop to 20.04 and I am facing some audio difficulties
[21:24] <slyrobot> My laptop when plugged in with Earphones doesn't play audio with earphones.
[21:24] <slyrobot> Speaker works fine
[21:26] <frad> I'm thinking about buying a ssd and use it as a storage unit. Externally and portable. For that I'd simply need a sata to usb cable. any drawbacks?
[21:26] <compdoc> dont keep it plugged in all the time
[21:27] <frad> that's why is external, toplug it in when I need it
[21:28] <sarnold> you can just get usb ssd, too, btw; this is a bit old as storage goes, but not a terrible starting point for further research https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-portable-ssd/
[21:29] <frad> am I being an obnoxious idiot for only buying samsung ssds?
[21:30] <frad> never gave me problems
[21:31] <slyrobot> Can I get some love too ?
[21:31] <compdoc> I like samsung. they usually last a while
[21:31] <mesaboogie> slyrobot: install pavucontrol and look around
[21:32] <sarnold> slyrobot: <3
[21:32] <frad> a thing to buy ssds directly with no enclosure is that I know what I buy. the Samsung T5, for example; is it evo or pro? 750 or 850?
[21:32] <sarnold> slyrobot: (seriously though, pavucontrol's a good starting point)
[21:33] <slyrobot> mesaboogie sarnold: I did try that after looking at some forums. Lets see. Thanks
[21:33] <slyrobot> <3
[21:57] <studenttu> can someone tell me what "dd" and "count" means in: " sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=1048576 '
[21:58] <akik> studenttu: take 1048576 1 KiB size blocks out of /dev/zero
[22:00] <akik> studenttu: dd reads from /dev/zero and puts the data (which is empty) into /swapfile
[22:03] <studenttu> akik okay thanks
[22:04] <genii> ..basically, use /dev/zero as an input source , read from it in 1024 byte chunks and write whatever the input is to the swapfile until the target of 1048576 bytes is reached
[22:05] <genii> ( or the swapfile size is exceeded)
[22:05] <caixavirt> shinobi_, I use remmina to rdp in to windows systems. It should also work to connect to a vnc server.  It's just an option...
[22:06] <genii> If "swapfile" does not already exist, it will be created
[22:06] <puff> Should ubuntu 18.04.04 LTS have pulseaudio installed?  It's saying it doesn't.
[22:06] <puff> caixavirt: Me too, re: remmina and windows.
[22:27] <ACHLO> https://youtu.be/Dr7HGkP74mE
[22:33] <hggdh> ACHLO: please don't. This is a support channel, not a chat one.
[22:34] <kenwoodfox> Do i need to load a kernel module for my scsi tape drive? It shows up as sg0 and sg1 but i am to belive these are the generic addressings for a generic scsi drive
[22:34] <kenwoodfox> One of those is the library changers the other is the actual drive i asume
[22:36] <kenwoodfox> Do i need to add `st` or something to /etc/modules perhaps?
[23:00] <kenwoodfox> Aparently it was just that easy^
[23:11] <eelstrebor> anyone else having trouble printing to an hp printer on ubuntu 20.04? ubuntu recognizes the printer but not of my clients can print to it. hp-check returned: ubuntu-20.04 version is not supported. Using ubuntu-19.10 versions dependencies to verify and install
[23:12] <eelstrebor> i tried the hplip tarball also but couldn't resolve dependencies since the required packages aren't in the 20.04 repository
[23:17] <felco> why i can set 480i on windows and not on ubuntu?
[23:18] <felco> on the nvidia-settings i can set 640x480, that res dont even show on gnome settings
[23:34] <Mordoc> hplp!
[23:36] <Mordoc> Sorry eelstrebor, I think what I was trying to say that I saw on omgubuntu.co.uk a post about an updated HPLP package for HP printers for 20.04. I don't a browser handy (terminal only right now) or I'd check it myself.
[23:36] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: It should be *HPLIP* sorry...
[23:46] <eelstrebor> Mordoc, i tried that websites search utility and got no hits on hplip