[00:16] Oh hey that is better. I think I am getting somewhere. Had to do a little changelog foo to get apt-ghetto's automirror fix in there. And futz with the ubuntu-studio translation stuff but I have a package now. [00:42] kc2bez: \o/ [00:56] Ok I have it built locally Eickmeyer . I need @tsimonq2 's help though. It looks like he broke phab for me XD. I can't seem to push it. [00:57] @kc2bez [ Ok I have it built locally Eickmeyer . I need @tsimonq2 's help though. …], Waaat? [00:58] "You do not have permission to push to this repository." [00:58] On it [00:58] Ok, thanks. [01:32] I see lubuntu builds for: … architectures: amd64 armhf arm64 ppc64el s390x riscv64 … (source: meta) [01:32] arch:all build [01:32] Does Ubuntu Cinnamon need to have these or do they just need amd64 [01:32] @tsimonq2 [arch:all build], also why is debootstrap needed as a dep for your meta? [01:32] @ItzSwirlz [Does Ubuntu Cinnamon need to have these or do they just need amd64], You can just have amd64 if you want [01:32] @tsimonq2 [You can just have amd64 if you want], whatever is easier :P [01:32] LM is 64-bit only [01:33] But you'd be surprised at how many arches people use flavors on [01:33] @ItzSwirlz [also why is debootstrap needed as a dep for your meta?], It's needed to regen the seeds. Seed updates aren't done manually [01:33] @tsimonq2 [But you'd be surprised at how many arches people use flavors on], This is going to sound blatant-but just tell me. What arches do I need. [01:33] @ItzSwirlz [This is going to sound blatant-but just tell me. What arches do I need.], !(i386) [01:33] In the long run it simply doesn't matter [01:33] @tsimonq2 [!(i386)], yeah no lol [01:34] All packages are built for all arches anyway [01:34] So by having built packages and no meta you're robbing yourself [01:34] @tsimonq2 [All packages are built for all arches anyway], even if they say just amd64? [01:34] @tsimonq2 [So by having built packages and no meta you're robbing yourself], we got meta-we just want to bump compat from 7 to 11 which you already did [01:34] @ItzSwirlz [even if they say just amd64?], I'm willing to bet all of Cinnamon is built for more than amd64, or will be [01:34] so I'm looking at it right now [01:34] @tsimonq2 [I'm willing to bet all of Cinnamon is built for more than amd64, or will be], let the virtual machines be the judge [01:35] well if you say so :/ [01:35] (Photo, 157x41) https://i.imgur.com/KsinEtL.jpg [01:51] Yeah. Every package we build builds for all architecture [01:51] I would say Debian builds for a handful of 64-bits-they support: [01:52] amd64 … arm64 … armel … armhf … mips64el … mipsel … ppc64el … s390x [01:52] And I will TOTALLY pretend I understood all of that. [01:53] correction-do not build armel [01:54] or..- [01:54] It targets old 32-bit devices. Lubuntu seems to love arm so I'll take it [01:56] @ItzSwirlz [amd64 … arm64 … armel … armhf … mips64el … mipsel … ppc64el … s390x], All of these are 64-bit [01:56] I don't think having like-4 or 6 files or whatever is necessary-I think a script should automatically create them by copying the file and renaming-THEN building. Just my idea. [01:56] Of course I'll have do so some testing but it's the least of my worries [01:57] For now, lets fix this garbage: … https://github.com/Ubuntu-Cinnamon-Remix/ubuntucinnamon-spices/tree/master/debian [01:57] This is my trash project that contains like-65 MB of Cinnamon Applets, Desklets, and Extensions (combined total) and it's debian packaging will make you all want to die [02:10] @ItzSwirlz [For now, lets fix this garbage: … https://github.com/Ubuntu-Cinnamon-Remix/ubuntuc …], I've seen worse [02:10] @tsimonq2 [I've seen worse], you sure [02:10] mine is so dirty xD [02:10] Yes [02:10] Absolutely I have [02:10] do i want to see it [02:10] or will i loose brain cells [02:11] @ItzSwirlz [or will i loose brain cells], This [02:11] ;-; [02:11] @ItzSwirlz [or will i loose brain cells], I already have :3 [02:11] ^ [02:12] @tsimonq2 [^], are you referring to the lumina packaging [02:12] @ItzSwirlz [are you referring to the lumina packaging], I am referring to everything, icluding packaging [02:12] mostly Calamares is biting my butt [02:12] right now at least [02:13] @KaiLoveLinux [mostly Calamares is biting my butt], that's literally you all the time [02:13] i'd help you but i'm stuck with cinnamon 4.6 [02:13] it just got released on github and i've opened like 7 merge requests on salsa for one package series update [02:13] @ItzSwirlz [are you referring to the lumina packaging], I think he is @q5sys, because it's so easy to package /s [02:13] well i clicked it did that :/ [02:13] @tsimonq2 [I think he is @q5sys, because it's so easy to package /s], why do you disturb my slumber? [02:14] @q5sys [why do you disturb my slumber?], b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶-̶ [02:14] @tsimonq2 [I think he is @q5sys, because it's so easy to package /s], Fun fact, I never change anything else but changelog with packaging. While I can make it less hot garbage, it works so I am going to not fck with it until I am done with my required focus points [02:14] @ItzSwirlz [are you referring to the lumina packaging], We dont package Lumina... that's up to the PKG maintainers [02:14] #balme_someone_else [02:14] lol [02:15] So JT, Cinnamon 4.6 got released ~1 week ago and I've been importing it to Salsa debian. I saw a bunch of cool makefile stuff and I look back at my packaging and it's garbage [02:15] and we talked about lumina desktop (very messy) [02:15] @q5sys [#blame_someone_else], I prefer to #bame_simon [02:15] @q5sys [We dont package Lumina... that's up to the PKG maintainers], tbh it'd be better if i could get like the trueos sourcecode or something [02:15] or their pkg folder or whatever [02:15] @q5sys [I prefer to #bame_simon], #blame_kai #also_bame [02:15] i have no idea who's in charge of the debian package [02:15] to see exactly the steps are how they built it [02:15] that would be better [02:15] @q5sys [i have no idea who's in charge of the debian package], It's a game of hot potato honestly [02:15] lmao [02:15] @ItzSwirlz [tbh it'd be better if i could get like the trueos sourcecode or something], what do you mean? It's all open source... what do you want. [02:16] @ItzSwirlz [It's a game of hot potato honestly], That hot potato is on this hot mess [02:16] currently [02:16] if i understood .pkg packaging i would know the infrastructure on how they build lumina-desktop [02:16] so then i can translate it to debian [02:16] transifex.com/pkg-to-deb [02:16] lol [02:16] ive been trying to get pkgers to reach out to me and let me know if I can fix things upstream... but none of them reply. [02:17] @ItzSwirlz [if i understood .pkg packaging i would know the infrastructure on how they build …], you realize TrueOS is dead right? And the TrueOS Desktop ceased being a thing in Mid 2018... hence Project Trident being started. [02:17] @q5sys [ive been trying to get pkgers to reach out to me and let me know if I can fix th …], I am running stable editions for the reason of I really want to knock out the dummy thicc crap I need to deal with [02:17] @q5sys [you realize TrueOS is dead right? And the TrueOS Desktop ceased being a thing i …], or that yeah [02:17] does trident at least maintain lumina? [02:17] @ItzSwirlz [if i understood .pkg packaging i would know the infrastructure on how they build …], `makepkg` is how we made the package for TrueOS [02:18] Yeah. They do use lumina [02:18] @ItzSwirlz [does trident at least maintain lumina?], You need to stop crossing streams. Trident is a Distro that uses Lumina. Trident doesn't "Maintain" the desktop. [02:18] Yeah. The thing is- [02:18] Lumina dev happens outside of Trident, Trident uses the latest version. [02:18] lets be honest we don't know who does smh [02:19] The same people are involved in both, but they treat it like two different projects... because the are. [02:19] https://github.com/lumina-desktop/ [02:19] @ItzSwirlz [lets be honest we don't know who does smh], Ken Moore and myself. [02:19] They got it all here-but I've learned a lot through my Salsa experience [02:19] Project Trident uses Lumina, Lumina develops lumina [02:19] its an open source repo... you can see who the top contributors are. [02:19] https://github.com/lumina-desktop/ [02:19] By the way guys-try to keep it quick here-this is Lubuntu Development not Lumina talk [02:20] Sorry Simon. [02:20] @ItzSwirlz [Sorry Simon.], No need to apologize... one of these days he'll switch to Lumina. ;) [02:20] and he wont even have to change the distro name [02:20] lol [02:20] But... but [02:20] @q5sys [No need to apologize... one of these days he'll switch to Lumina. ;)], One day I was literally looking through the lumina source files [02:20] I already told him as much at SELF a while ago. [02:20] Startup sound: So peaceful. [02:20] Shutdown sound: Also peaceful [02:20] THEN THE LOW BATTERY SOUND: [02:20] @q5sys [No need to apologize... one of these days he'll switch to Lumina. ;)], but the lumina remix is my job [02:20] (BIG DRUM HITTING) [02:21] battery sound go BOOM [02:21] oooh telegram has markdown [02:21] yay [02:21] *thonk* [02:21] awa [02:21] Calamares go brrrrr? [02:21] I have been completely useless in this convo [02:21] @Eickmeyer [Calamares go brrrrr?], brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [02:21] @q5sys [battery sound go BOOM], 0:15 in vid [02:22] @Eickmeyer [Calamares go brrrrr?], Calamares is gonna need me to wait for a graphic designer to finish their amazing work that they were kind enough to offer [02:22] @ItzSwirlz [0:15 in vid], you can change those with lumina-conig [02:22] @q5sys [you can change those with lumina-config], conig [02:22] hehe [02:22] if you want [02:22] sorry [02:22] it's weird [02:22] but yeah [02:22] I use the W95 startup and shutdown sounds. [02:22] tbh [02:22] i feel like an idiot [02:22] just because at confernces it freaks people out [02:22] why have i not packaged this for you @KaiLoveLinux [02:22] @KaiLoveLinux Oh, I'm already done configuring for Studio. [02:23] @Eickmeyer [@KaiLoveLinux Oh, I'm already done configuring for Studio.], Oh did studio switch to calamares? [02:23] @Eickmeyer [@KaiLoveLinux Oh, I'm already done configuring for Studio.], I haven't even done 20.04 :D [02:23] Studio did! They are an older flavor, so lets trust them rather than Lubuntu- [02:23] jk [02:23] studio was either 2nd or 3rd to come out iirc [02:23] @ItzSwirlz We're gonna have to. I can't count on the Ubuntu Foundations team to fix ubiquity-kde at anything faster than a glacier's pace. [02:24] @Eickmeyer [@ItzSwirlz We're gonna have to. I can't count on the Ubuntu Foundations team to …], KDE's Ubiquity is sort of weird. [02:24] It's like calamares but sort of isn't [02:24] it's a mix of both [02:24] Studio was technically 4th behind Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu. [02:24] ***yes, lubuntu can't be trusted*** [02:24] @ItzSwirlz ubiquity-kde is hardcoded to be Kubuntu. [02:24] hm [02:25] Erich do you want me to setup a quick studio fork for you? [02:25] although its.. 10:25 pm [02:25] I'm already way ahead of you. [02:25] The work on the Studio config is done. [02:25] Until I can test, that is. [02:25] @Eickmeyer [I'm already way ahead of you.], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih9zBLDr_ro [02:25] You: [02:25] YES! HAHAHAHA! [02:25] i thought you'd like that [02:26] cookie? [02:26] twitch.tv/the8bitdrummer uses that all the time when he does his stretch breaks. [02:26] @Eickmeyer [twitch.tv/the8bitdrummer uses that all the time when he does his stretch breaks.], Oh i know it from this stream: … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngQb5FYXnc [02:26] Okay lets stop with the furret now [02:26] Haha [02:26] i am still doing good job with ubuntu lumina at least [02:27] @kc2bez I take it you got calamares-settings-* to build? [02:27] I did. [02:27] Excellent. Did @tsimonq2 happen to... uh... upload it? [02:27] hey the calamares thing is what I currently work on [02:28] I just need to git push when Simon gives me the go ahead @Eickmeyer [02:28] Roger that. [02:29] I can upload after that. [02:29] * Eickmeyer knows he saw @q5sys somewhere... [02:29] @kc2bez Ok, sounds good. I'm just twiddling my thumbs at the moment. [02:30] Scratch that. I've been working on Fedora Jam. [02:31] Sorry for that. I fixed up a couple of other Lubuntu->Studio things too. [02:31] Awesome. Probably language-related stuff because ERR:NoTranslations [02:32] I think the only translation is for the desktop file but that should be good now. [02:32] Excellent. [02:33] @Eickmeyer [Calamares go brrrrr?], HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [02:34] @tsimonq2 [HAHAHAHAHAHAHA], teen in car thinks funny- [02:34] @kc2bez [I just need to git push when Simon gives me the go ahead @Eickmeyer], Oh shoot, got sidetracked [02:34] @tsimonq2 [Oh shoot, got sidetracked], FBI OPEN UP [02:34] (cough) sorry [02:35] @tsimonq2 [Oh shoot, got sidetracked], No worries. [02:35] Worries = NULL. All good [02:35] @KaiLoveLinux dm [02:35] WHAT [02:35] IS THAT PROFILE PIC- [02:41] @ItzSwirlz [IS THAT PROFILE PIC-], Pardon? [02:42] Kai is a little bit loosing her mind. [02:42] (look at her profile pic) [02:42] Oof [02:42] @ItzSwirlz [Kai is a little bit loosing her mind.], Loosing my mind is an understatement [02:43] uhh [02:43] kai has brain damage? [02:43] Seems legit. [02:43] Ok, gotta play video games with my son. He's more important than all of you. [02:43] @Eickmeyer [Ok, gotta play video games with my son. He's more important than all of you.], Fair [02:43] :D [02:44]