[03:00] <callmepk> good morning
[04:04] <duflu> Oops. Hi callmepk 
[05:00] <callmepk> Oh, hi duflu 
[05:07] <pieq> hello everyone :)
[05:08] <pieq> duflu, hey, have you ever experienced this? Pressing the Super key seems to register, but doesn't show the dash in Ubuntu 20.04
[05:08] <pieq> duflu, I'm helping a friend and he's using a lot of different input methods (English, French, Japanese, Chinese). His Ubuntu is setup in French
[05:08] <duflu> pieq, for secondary keyboard layouts it's a common complaint, almost fix released: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1871913
[05:08] <pieq> When I switch to the French keyboard, pressing Super (the Windows key) shows the dash as it should
[05:09] <pieq> duflu, thanks for confirmation
[05:09] <duflu> No worries
[05:09] <pieq> so weird.... the key is seen, cause I can see the focus changes when I press it
[05:10] <pieq> but it's just that overview doesn't show up
[05:10] <duflu> pieq, yeah the fix is in mutter. I did not look very closely
[05:21] <pieq> duflu, thanks a lot for pointing these out.
[05:21] <pieq> At least I know it's gonna work at some point :D
[05:37] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:40] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[05:40] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[05:41] <duflu> seb128, feeling good. You?
[05:41] <seb128> I'm alright :)
[05:41] <seb128> the ubuntu dock seems to have a sad time this cycle :-/
[05:42] <duflu> seb128, I think it might be related to the fact that 3.36 support wasn't done at all by upstream in time. Marco had to rush it in, and we didn't get long to flesh it out
[05:43] <seb128> well, we should now
[05:43] <seb128> I guess that's something for Trevinho?
[05:44] <duflu> seb128, it's done already(?)
[05:44] <duflu> He's working on the bugs frequently
[05:44] <duflu> I'm surprised how many icon grid issues are due to the ubuntu-dock
[05:45] <seb128> right, I just saw a few extra issues reported now
[05:45] <seb128> e.g bug #1872268
[05:45] <duflu> Not 100% sure that's ubuntu-dock but it seems likely
[05:45] <seb128> or bug #1876889
[05:45] <duflu> yeah
[06:35] <didrocks> good morning
[06:39] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[06:40] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:19] <seb128> lut didrocks, how are you?
[07:21] <didrocks> ça va, et toi seb128 ?
[07:23] <seb128> ça va :)
[07:26] <seb128> today is an easy launchpad bugs day
[07:28] <didrocks> heh :)
[07:28] <didrocks> today is telling to people not to use their own custom kernel without ZFS module shipped and expecting zsys to work
[07:28] <didrocks> … nor any other zfs commands
[08:00] <Laney> o/
[08:01] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[08:03] <Laney> sup didrocks 
[08:03] <Laney> having fun with bug reporters?
[08:06] <duflu>      \o
[08:07] <Laney> _o< quack
[08:07] <duflu> Actually I'm in Australia so...
[08:08] <duflu> °\
[08:16] <duflu> Whee, gnome-shell 3.36.2 for everyone
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, fortunately, they did run the apport hook which helped diagnosing the issue :)
[08:57] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:09] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master Daniel van Vugt * [close] merge request !63: Add lp1877075.patch to fix top crash LP: #1877075 * https://deb.li/WKaF
[09:15] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:20] <KGB-0> mutter debian/master Daniel van Vugt * [open] merge request !64: Add backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * https://deb.li/3EytF
[09:21] <KGB-0> mutter Daniel van Vugt 166602 * commented merge request !63 * https://deb.li/5q67
[09:24] <duflu> The KGB knows everything
[09:37] <tjaalton> seb128: marking bugs fix committed before a patch has actually landed proposed is very confusing
[09:38] <tjaalton> that's what sru-review will do
[09:39] <seb128> tjaalton, feel free to set to triaging, having it unconfirmed was even wronger since there is a fix uploaded in the review queue 
[09:39] <seb128> tjaalton, I do use fix commit for desktop bugs when a fix has been commited to the vcs usually, makes easier to see what is in the landing pipes
[09:39] <tjaalton> set it 'in progress'
[09:40] <tjaalton> ok
[09:45] <seb128> tjaalton, sorry for the confusing, i will keep that in mind for bugs on your components and use in progress next time even if it's uploaded
[09:46] <tjaalton> seb128: thanks, no worries
[11:53] <tsimonq2> In case this has mildly annoyed anyone else: https://salsa.debian.org/lintian/lintian/-/merge_requests/310
[11:53] <tsimonq2> e.g. gtk+2.0 will have one less warning. I'm sure this applies to many other packages as well.
[12:05] <Laney> |o/
[12:06] <Laney> \o|
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[12:15] <didrocks> and first blog post on ZFS support in ubuntu 20.04 LTS published: https://twitter.com/didrocks/status/1263443082625855490 :)
[13:22] <oerheks> hi didrocks, good writing, bookmarked!
[13:26] <didrocks> thanks oerheks :)
[13:26] <seb128> didrocks, nice one indeed :)
[13:28] <didrocks> thx seb128, I hope the other will hold up on the standard :p
[13:28] <didrocks> others* (8 others remaining to publish)
[13:28] <seb128> I'm sure they will :)
[13:28] <didrocks> heh
[14:20] <Laney> why am I so stupid
[14:20] <Laney> you can't build-depend on a source package
[14:20] <Laney> :(
[14:23]  * seb128 hugs Laney, weekend is coming don't worry :)
[14:23] <Laney> thanks seb128 
[14:23] <Laney> think I need it!
[14:28] <Laney> good thing is that TDD made me find the issue
[14:31] <Laney> Ran 1 test in 0.531s
[14:31] <Laney> OK
[14:31] <Laney> woohoo!
[14:42] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:43] <didrocks> hey hellsworth 
[14:43] <hellsworth> o/
[14:50] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:50] <hellsworth> hey marcustomlinson 
[14:52] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[14:54] <hellsworth> oh i'm pretty alright :) you seb128 ?
[14:54] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[14:57] <hellsworth> i found a new bug introduced in libreoffice 6.4.4 yesterday.. the save icon disappears once the document needs to be saved. i wonder if this is related to the main.xcd changes too
[14:57] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: maybe you have some advice on how to chase this down?
[14:58] <kenvandine> hellsworth: that sounds like an annoying bug
[14:58] <hellsworth> yeah..
[14:58] <hellsworth> or maybe seb128 has some advice with his expert debugging :)
[14:59] <hellsworth> there are no helpful journalctl logs when this icon disappears
[14:59] <seb128> hellsworth, it would be easy enough to copy the main.xcd from the previous deb over if you want to see if that makes a difference
[14:59] <hellsworth> the icon set is the same so it's whatever is causing the icon to change
[14:59] <hellsworth> seb128: excellent idea
[14:59] <hellsworth> thank you :)
[14:59] <seb128> hellsworth, I would probably start by doing a strace -f of the libreoffice process
[15:00] <seb128> and see if it stats for an icon and fail to get it at this time
[15:00] <kenvandine> maybe the icon name they look for changed
[15:00] <hellsworth> ok i can try that
[15:00] <hellsworth> oh kenvandine good thinking
[15:00] <seb128> is the build in a ppa or something?
[15:00] <hellsworth> (you folks are a fountain of information :) )
[15:00] <hellsworth> seb128: yes it's here https://launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice
[15:03] <hellsworth> oh man strace -f is intense
[15:04] <seb128> yeah, you want to > log or -e open or something to limit the syscalls
[15:05] <seb128> hum, that ppa tries to install openjdk-11 and libreoffice-java for me
[15:05] <seb128> is that expected?
[15:06] <seb128> 242M more disk space to use
[15:06] <hellsworth> umm hmm interesting. i didn't notice that..
[15:06] <seb128> shrug, and now libreoffice segfaults on start :p
[15:06] <seb128> well I install with no recommends to avoid the java
[15:07] <seb128> maybe that was not smart
[15:07] <hellsworth> i installed this on a focal vm that had no previous libreoffice on it
[15:07] <seb128> same here, I'm testing on a focal iso in a VM
[15:08] <hellsworth> oh no i'm wrong.. looks like i upgraded my 6.4.3 to 6.4.4
[15:11] <Trevinho> doko: bug 1793496 is in bionic queue for a while, ping SRU team to get that in :)
[15:11] <Laney> Trevinho!
[15:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[15:12] <seb128> hellsworth, that ppa segfaults on start in a VM for me :/
[15:14] <hellsworth> hmm interesting.. well let me purge my libreoffice and install it fresh from this ppa and see if i hit that too
[15:15] <seb128> what I did is boot a focal amd64 iso in virtualbox, enable the ppa and install libreoffice
[15:15] <seb128> could also be livecd specific
[15:18] <hellsworth> yeah i think it's livecd specific
[15:18] <hellsworth> i just purged libreoffice in my installed focal vm and reinstalled it. it launches just fine from either the desktop icon or command line
[15:23] <Laney> could be an OOM thing or something, that's quite big for unpacking onto an overlay
[15:24] <seb128> ah right
[15:24] <seb128> still it wants to pull java :p
[15:27] <hellsworth> ok i got a readable strace of only 3k lines...
[15:27] <hellsworth> let me look at 6.4.3 and see if that installs libreoffice-java by default too
[15:32] <hellsworth> yeah it doesn't hmm ok not sure why 6.4.4 is doing that..
[15:48] <hellsworth> so libreoffice-java-common is installed in focal by default with 6.4.4-rc2 but it *is not* installed by default in debian testing with the 6.4.4-rc1 in their archive
[15:49] <seb128> hellsworth,  https://launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice/+files/libreoffice_1%3A6.4.3-0ubuntu1_1%3A6.4.4~rc2-0ubuntu1~ppa1.diff.gz
[15:49] <seb128> has
[15:49] <seb128> -Depends: libreoffice-base,
[15:49] <seb128> +Depends: libreoffice-base-nogui | libreoffice-base,
[15:49] <seb128> and -nogui depens on java
[15:50] <seb128> so that's probably it
[15:50] <hellsworth> ah that's it!
[15:50] <seb128> hum, though that's for libreoffice-report-builder-bin-nogui
[15:51] <seb128> hellsworth, how do you trigger your icon issue?
[15:51] <seb128> I tried in writter and it has an icon here
[15:52] <hellsworth> just start typing and the icon goes away
[15:52] <hellsworth> and you don't see it.. so strange
[15:52] <seb128> for me it turns from a blue arrow to a red arrow
[15:52] <seb128> do you use the default theme? 
[15:52] <hellsworth> so when you start typing the save icon arrow should turn from blue to red. what i see is instead of getting the red arrow icon, i have no icon
[15:52] <seb128> wfm...
[15:52] <seb128> in writers
[15:52] <hellsworth> yep default theme
[15:52] <hellsworth> i have the same problem in calc too
[15:53] <seb128> weird
[15:53] <hellsworth> i guess let me go try on a fresh focal vm...
[15:53] <hellsworth> this vm has been around for a while and used quite a bit.. mabye i put it in some funky state along the way
[15:53] <seb128> or another user on the same one?
[15:54] <hellsworth> oh there's an idea
[15:54] <hellsworth> i'll try that first
[15:55] <hellsworth> yeah a new user works just fine. i see the red arrow now..
[15:56] <hellsworth> ok so glad to know this is a non issue!!
[15:56] <hellsworth> and i'll just look into the java bit
[15:56] <hellsworth> seb128: thanks a million for helping me test this!
[15:56] <seb128> np!
[16:23] <tsimonq2> Laney: Thoughts on what XS-Debian-Vcs-* could be changed to that's more pretty? Upstream is asking: https://salsa.debian.org/lintian/lintian/-/merge_requests/310
[16:23] <hellsworth> libreoffice-report-builder-bin is in the Depends section of the libreoffice Package in the debian control file so why the hell is libreoffice-report-builder-bin not installed on a debian system with libreoffice
[16:24]  * hellsworth shurgs and goes to find a snack
[16:26] <Laney> tsimonq2: Dunno, does that have to be approved by policy or something? Don't know about you but I'd not really have the energy / interest for that
[16:28] <Laney> Feel free to design something if you want, make sure to care about derivatives-of-derivatives though
[16:28] <tsimonq2> Laney: Probably. For now I'm hoping the MR can be merged regardless of name choices.
[16:29] <tsimonq2> That's a good point.
[16:29] <Laney> $DISTRO-Vcs-foo isn't that bad IMO
[16:29] <Laney> it lets you recurse on dpkg-vendor --query Parent
[16:30] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[16:56] <seb128> hellsworth, k, testing again from an installed system it doesn't bring new/different packages from before, so I guess it was buggy from my part to test from an live session, sorry for the confusion and stressed created
[17:02] <hellsworth> no i think it's a valid problem. if i purge libreoffice* and install from this ppa, it deffinitely brings in way more than is installed in a debian system
[17:03] <seb128> k
[17:03] <hellsworth> there is definitely a package difference from debian that needs to be solved.. will continue down that path after my 1:1 (hint.. hint.. kenvandine)
[17:05] <kenvandine> hellsworth: just a minute
[17:09] <hellsworth> seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trh23PMwcK/ is the list of packages i see installed on a focal system with this 6.4.4 ppa . is that the same for you?
[17:14] <seb128> it does seems similar yes
[17:15] <seb128> sorry, need to step out for dinner and co but I will read backlog later if I can still be useful for something
[17:22] <Laney> see you tuesday folks!
[17:34] <hellsworth> no worries seb128 thanks for verifying you see the same packages installed as me
[20:21] <hellsworth> seb128: if suggests are automatically installed, then libreoffice-java-common is expected because libreoffice-base installs libreoffice-report-builder which installs libreoffice-java-common
[20:22] <seb128> hellsworth, no, recommends are but not suggests
[20:22] <seb128> unsure if Debian does auto install Recommends nowadays though, could be a difference
[20:22] <hellsworth> it was confusing though because on all of bionic, focal, and bullseye.. the seeded libreoffice packages are slightly different that what apt installs (if no libreoffice* pkg exists)
[20:22] <hellsworth> oh ok so recommends would do it then