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lotuspsychjegood morning01:29
ducassegood morning06:18
Deano59good morning. :)08:29
akemHeya.08:33
leftyfbhggdh: I didn't know you were into the Occupy movement :)     hggdh (~hggdh@141.98.opp.jzq) has joined #occupyboston14:16
oerhekssudo apt install new-keyboard14:54
oerheks..or snap?14:54
hggdhleftyfb: I am not :-) Just another user with the same nick15:44
hggdhI am also guessing this is not on Freenode15:44
leftyfbhggdh: it's not even a real user, it's a bot. They seem to copy nicks from other networks I'm on.15:55
leftyfbbeen doing this for at least a year now15:56
marcoagpintoThe demon!!!17:01
* daftykins runs17:02
* oerheks opens a bottle of pepsi17:04
marcoagpintoI have been away very busy with the projects17:06
marcoagpintoI have been able to implement the CIRCUMFIX Hunspell flag into my tool17:06
marcoagpinto:)17:06
marcoagpintoafter years working on it17:06
marcoagpintois anyone there?!19:26
marcoagpinto>:) <-19:27
oerhekshi anyone19:28
sarnoldhi nobody19:29
coconuthi few19:31
marcoagpintooerheks!19:34
marcoagpintosarnold!19:34
marcoagpinto>:)19:34
sarnoldhey marcoagpinto :)19:34
marcoagpintodamn VirtualBox 6.1.7 damaged the Extras CD19:35
marcoagpintoI can't remember the name19:35
marcoagpintonow 18.04 gets a login screen with 640x480 or so19:35
marcoagpintovery small19:35
marcoagpintoand 20.04 desktop gives an error regarding maximising the screen19:35
marcoagpinto:)19:35
marcoagpintoguest additions*19:35
GR1M0R4CL3yup i had the same problem19:37
GR1M0R4CL3i had to stay on a previous virtualbox version19:38
marcoagpinto:(((((((19:38
GR1M0R4CL3you can downgrade the guest part19:38
GR1M0R4CL3you can download the iso, mount it and build a previous guest additions and see what happens19:38
GR1M0R4CL3keeping your current virtualbox version19:38
marcoagpinto:(19:39
GR1M0R4CL3if that doesnt work, downgrade one notch the virtualbox19:39
daftykinsi'd have thought the lesson would have been learnt by now19:39
GR1M0R4CL3they had to fix a problem and edit that part19:39
marcoagpintodaftykins: what lesson?19:40
GR1M0R4CL3and their forum has a post about it as the problem affected fedora too19:40
daftykinsupdating19:40
GR1M0R4CL3and they work fat better with Xorg than Wayland19:40
marcoagpintodaftykins: that is why I don't install betas on my new laptop19:40
marcoagpintoI became conservative19:40
marcoagpintobut VirtualBox 6.1.7 was a final release19:40
GR1M0R4CL3me too. work requires us to use a windows 10 with a pulse client19:41
marcoagpintoso, I downloaded and installed it19:41
GR1M0R4CL3and we run a virtualbox on top of it with all the development environment19:41
GR1M0R4CL3i am very very cautious about any upgrades..19:41
GR1M0R4CL3breaking the display when you have a fix to code and a release to do, no fun19:41
marcoagpintoyes19:41
marcoagpinto:((((((19:42
marcoagpintoWhen LibreOffice 7.0 is released in August, I will wait an extra month for 7.0.119:42
marcoagpinto:)19:42
marcoagpintoconservative I am getting19:42
marcoagpinto:p19:42
GR1M0R4CL3i got a 1 tb hard disk. i copy the 100 gb vdi to it before any upgrade then i upgrade19:43
GR1M0R4CL3and i always have a previous vdi in case something breaks and i need to work :D19:43
marcoagpinto:)19:43
marcoagpintoI am taking a Unity course19:43
marcoagpinto:p19:43
marcoagpintoI updated Unity today and it took 20 GB of my HDD19:43
marcoagpinto:)19:43
daftykinsmarcoagpinto: and what was wrong with what you had before?19:43
marcoagpintodaftykins: wrong with what?19:43
daftykinsthe prior virtualbox version19:44
daftykins20GB for the desktop, i don't think so19:44
marcoagpintodaftykins: the 20.04 desktop window didn't get full screen19:44
marcoagpintodaftykins: Unity for all platforms19:44
marcoagpintoI installed it all19:44
marcoagpintoexcept the chinese languages and such19:44
GR1M0R4CL3i got a 20.04 with full screen workin19:44
GR1M0R4CL3i can check which vb and which guest im using19:44
GR1M0R4CL3need the info ?19:45
marcoagpintoGR1M0R4CL3: It would only use the full screen after we streeched and then maximised the VB window19:45
marcoagpintoso, I thought 6.1.7 would fix it19:45
marcoagpinto:)19:45
marcoagpintobut I was wrong19:45
GR1M0R4CL3yup19:45
GR1M0R4CL3i got that currently19:45
daftykinshang on are you talking about Unity the game engine etc?19:45
GR1M0R4CL3im still waiting for a fix. on each boot i have to reduce/maximize19:46
marcoagpintodaftykins: yes19:46
marcoagpintodamn course is 30+ hours... I am watching 30 minutes videos per day19:47
GR1M0R4CL3the vb team has a forum19:47
marcoagpinto:)19:47
GR1M0R4CL3go there and check the "linux clients" part19:47
marcoagpinto:)19:47
daftykinsyou're quite clearly making a common mistake that others do online, version chasing i call it - it makes no sense to keep chasing the latest releases solely for the sake of being 'on top' of release events19:47
GR1M0R4CL3https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=98d5e9ca3e7127b6b82990ab2a24840319:48
GR1M0R4CL3there has been a discussion there: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9768619:48
marcoagpinto"Ubutnu 16.04 guest login screen is 800x600 with GA (6.1.8 r137981)"19:48
marcoagpinto6.1.8?19:48
GR1M0R4CL3i was using a fedora when this happened. moved to a ubuntu since19:48
marcoagpintoI have 6.1.7?19:48
marcoagpintowhere did .8 come from?19:49
GR1M0R4CL3you can download previews of more recent vb and guests19:49
marcoagpintoahhhhhh19:49
GR1M0R4CL3in the forums you have posts where they give links to the daily guest compiled19:49
GR1M0R4CL3sometimes it works with those19:49
marcoagpintoahhhhhhh19:49
marcoagpinto:)19:49
marcoagpintogood to know19:49
daftykinsbut even better is not being in a rush to update19:50
marcoagpintodaftykins: I am always in a rush19:50
marcoagpinto:)19:50
daftykinsyou need to learn to behave differently19:50
marcoagpintowhen I near 50?19:50
marcoagpinto:)19:50
marcoagpintonow it is too late19:50
marcoagpintoI am*19:50
GR1M0R4CL3test builds : https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds#Latest6.1.xtestbuilds19:50
GR1M0R4CL3you either go back to what worked by downgrading. or you try the most recent stuff but you have to spend some time playing with it19:51
sarnolddaftykins: hey now, someone needs to file the bug reports when updates break things :)19:52
sarnolddaftykins: otherwise how will the breakages be found before folks like us get around to upgrading? :)19:52
daftykinslol, that's a fair point - but i imagine you'd prefer more useful responses rather than ":(" everywhere? ;)19:52
sarnoldwhy yes, pastebins of what was tried and what error messages came back would be a good start :)19:53
daftykinsthat's just not the demon's way!19:53
marcoagpinto>:)19:53
marcoagpintowhy can't Ubuntu bring all packages required by VirtualBox guestadditions and VMWare whatever?19:54
marcoagpinto:)19:54
marcoagpintowouldn't it be easier?19:54
marcoagpintowe have to install Perl by hand and such19:54
marcoagpintoit could come with Ubuntu out of the box, right?19:54
marcoagpinto>:)19:54
marcoagpinto"Insert GuestAddition CD" -> "done!"19:55
marcoagpinto:)19:55
oerhekshahaha... wait, you still have a cd drive?19:56
marcoagpintooerheks: virtual19:56
marcoagpinto:)19:56
marcoagpintoVirtualBox has a guest additions CD .iso to make it fully compatible with OSes19:56
marcoagpintofor example, sharing clipboard and shared folders between guest and host19:57
oerheksyes, i got that part19:57
marcoagpinto:)19:57
marcoagpintobut, yes, I also have an external drive19:57
marcoagpinto:)19:57
marcoagpintoI was converting my audio CDs to FLAC but then got bored19:58
marcoagpinto:)19:58
akemCan be usefull for ripping DVDs too ;)19:58
marcoagpintoand my DVD-Videos to .iso19:58
marcoagpinto:)19:58
akemTry .mp4 or .avi instead of .iso!19:58
akem:P19:58
marcoagpintoakem: it doesn't matter... 8 GB isn't much now-a-days19:59
marcoagpinto:)19:59
marcoagpintoso, I would rather have it 100% like the original19:59
akemYeah, if you want it like the original...i understand.19:59
marcoagpintoI can't copy blu-rays... 50 GB :(19:59
marcoagpintoor 100 GB :(20:00
akemI prefer to have video format instead, so i stick them in my playlist.20:00
marcoagpintoit would fill my HDD quick20:00
oerheksoh, do you need hdd's?20:00
marcoagpintoit is SSD20:00
marcoagpinto>:)20:00
marcoagpintobut I called it HDD20:00
marcoagpinto:)20:00
akemSSD are still expensive. Good old mechanical HDD, i got 4 TB for 90 Euros.20:01
marcoagpintoakem: it came with the laptop20:01
marcoagpinto1 TB20:01
marcoagpinto:)20:01
marcoagpintobut I have also external ones20:02
marcoagpinto:)20:02
marcoagpinto4 TB20:02
marcoagpintoit would be filled if I created .iso's of 100 GB each20:02
marcoagpinto:)20:02
akemWaste of space.20:04
marcoagpinto>:)20:04
akemI never download larger than 1080p RIPs. I don't have anything 4K anyway.20:04
marcoagpintoI have some adult clips in 4K20:05
marcoagpinto:)20:05
marcoagpintoBuaaaaaaaaa.... on Tuesday I almost retired... I hit 4 numbers + 1 star in the EuroMillions... 100 EUR... one more number would give me 400 000 EUR20:06
marcoagpinto:(20:06
marcoagpintoI was close this time20:06
akemToo bad :X20:06
marcoagpinto>:)20:07
marcoagpintoI know20:07
marcoagpinto400 000 EUR should be more than 100 years of work at the supermarket20:07
marcoagpinto:)20:07
marcoagpintoso close, young apprendice20:08
marcoagpinto:)20:08
daftykinsSSDs really are not that expensive :P20:08
daftykinsyou don't create ISOs of blurays, silly20:08
marcoagpintodaftykins: why not?20:08
daftykinsyou dump the titles to matroskas20:08
daftykins'cause it's the wrong tool for the job20:08
sarnoldalso, no way 400K EUR is enough to retire on ..20:08
marcoagpintosarnold: for me is20:08
marcoagpinto:)20:08
marcoagpintobecause I work in part-time20:09
akemDepends how and where you live :P20:09
marcoagpintoahhhh20:09
marcoagpintoright20:09
daftykinsyou do? i had a feeling you just murdered cola and worked on that PhD perpetually :)20:09
marcoagpintodaftykins: I am on medical leave20:09
marcoagpinto:)20:09
marcoagpintoand I have spent a week searching for "Human and Social Dynamics" and when I was about to give up, I found the material20:10
marcoagpinto:)20:10
marcoagpintothere was tons of material, but all useless20:10
marcoagpinto:)20:10
marcoagpintoyes, two chapters left in the thesis20:11
marcoagpinto:)20:11
marcoagpintotomorrow I will research about Bernoulli... I need more information about him20:11
marcoagpintoI only have two or three pages about each scientist :(20:13
sarnoldmarcoagpinto: 400K EUR provides roughly ~16K EUR per year in retirement income, given historical trends20:15
marcoagpintosarnold: so, my income is 5K year20:15
marcoagpinto:)20:15
sarnoldoof :)20:16
marcoagpintowell, I live with mum and dad20:17
marcoagpinto:)20:17
marcoagpintootherwise, I would need to have a normal jo20:17
marcoagpintootherwise, I would need to have a normal job20:17
oerhekshaha i make €15k year20:18
sarnoldI don't want to be too dark but you should probably not plan on your parents surviving through your entire retirement..20:18
marcoagpintoI know :(20:18
marcoagpintoahhhh... regarding the video .iso's: years ago I bought a film at the supermarket, and when I was analysing it, it had no Portuguese subtitles20:23
marcoagpintoit was very strange20:23
marcoagpintohow come no one complained'20:23
marcoagpinto?20:23
akemMaybe because it was a bad movie anyway :P20:24
marcoagpintosometimes we had promotions of DVD-Videos at 1 or 2 EUR20:24
marcoagpinto:)20:24
marcoagpintoat the supermarket20:25
sarnoldyou bought it even without the subtitled, right? :)20:25
marcoagpintogood for .iso20:25
akemMaybe they got few DVDs that are not supposed to be sold in PT supermarkets, hence no subs.20:25
marcoagpintoakem: it had the Portuguese seal20:25
marcoagpinto:)20:25
marcoagpintoso, it is sold here20:25
akemOk.20:25
marcoagpintoI can't remember the name of the film20:25
marcoagpintodaftykins: maybe I should MKV some blu-rays20:26
marcoagpinto:)20:26
daftykinsmakemkv is freely available and can handle this easily20:26
marcoagpinto>:)20:27
akemOr Handbrake i guess.20:27
akemI don't know makemkv.20:27
marcoagpintoI would prefer Handbrake20:27
marcoagpinto:)20:27
daftykinsyou would have to look at the tools and learn that they mostly do different things, to start with20:27
marcoagpintobut blu-rays are sensible to fingerprints20:27
daftykinshandbrake is mostly geared towards transcoding, which is a waste of time and cycles - makemkv can let you just dump the contents of a DVD or bluray 1:120:28
marcoagpintoI tried to copy one weeks ago and all files were giving errors20:28
marcoagpinto:)20:28
daftykinsprobably because the files are encrypted, you don't just copy them off the disc20:28
marcoagpintodaftykins: it was a data blu-ray20:28
marcoagpinto:)20:28
daftykinsso are film and TV series ones :P20:29
marcoagpinto:)20:29
marcoagpintoAnyDVD rings a bell?20:29
daftykinsantiquated solution yes20:29
marcoagpintoanyway, damn DVDs only transfer at maximum 20 MB/sec20:31
marcoagpinto:(20:31
marcoagpintoit takes ages to convert to .iso20:31
marcoagpintothat is why I want them all in .iso... to avoid getting damaged and for faster access20:32
daftykinsthere's no point converting the entire disc contents to an image, just take the film - it's quicker20:33
marcoagpintodaftykins: what about the scenes and such?20:34
marcoagpinto:)20:34
marcoagpinto8 GB isn't much now-a-days20:34
daftykinsi recently dumped my Star Trek TNG bluray set all to disk, 1.5TB now20:34
sarnolddaftykins: makemkv?20:34
daftykinsscenes, you mean chapter selections?20:34
daftykinssarnold: yip20:34
marcoagpintodaftykins: yes20:34
marcoagpinto:)20:34
sarnolddaftykins: niiiiice. I've got a big pile of columbo discs that I really want to do something with. discs just seems so fragile.20:35
daftykinsmarcoagpinto: it's all built into blurays, that's how it comes off the disc using makemkv20:35
marcoagpintoI also converted my SPECIAL EDITION of Star Trek return to Earth and disc 2 had errors20:35
daftykinsusing what method showed errors o020:35
sarnolddaftykins: how do you 'consume' the end results? any chance you know if you can convince a chromecast to view them? :)20:35
marcoagpintodaftykins: AnyDVD said it had bogus cells20:36
marcoagpinto:)20:36
daftykinsright, software limitation20:36
marcoagpintobut I could swear that I copied it 10 or 15 years ago and no errors20:36
daftykinssarnold: Kodi on spare devices usually, i never owned a chromecast - can they do anything with UPnP servers o020:36
sarnolddaftykins: probably not..20:36
daftykinsalways felt they were too limited those things20:37
daftykinsmarcoagpinto: likely some protection is just too good for that ghetto software, makemkv'd do it i'm sure20:37
marcoagpintodaftykins: but I already paid ~100 EUR for AnyDVD20:38
marcoagpinto:(20:38
daftykinsl o l20:38
daftykinsand so running a free program will break the bank further? xD20:39
marcoagpintodaftykins: I could swear that years ago makemkv was commercial?20:39
marcoagpintoI can't remember20:39
daftykinswhy remember when you can visit the site and discover that you can pay if you want or not20:40
marcoagpintoahhhhhhhhhh20:40
marcoagpinto:)20:40
marcoagpinto>:)20:40
marcoagpintodaftykins: https://www.makemkv.com/buy/20:47
marcoagpinto:)20:47
marcoagpinto€61.5020:47
daftykinswhen i just a moment ago mentioned you could visit the site and learn you can pay or use it free, why do i need to be linked and told?20:48
marcoagpintobecause it says only the beta is free20:48
marcoagpinto:)20:48
marcoagpintoafter 30 days it costs 50 EUR + VAT20:49
daftykinsit has been many, many years20:51
daftykinsso for all intents and purposes it's essentially free20:52
marcoagpinto:)20:52
marcoagpintoI also want to convert a conference I recorded many years ago to blu-ray20:55
marcoagpinto:)20:55
marcoagpintobut I am scared to connect the camcorder to the computer20:56
marcoagpinto:)20:56
marcoagpintoit is an old camcorder20:56
marcoagpintoI can't remember how I did it when I created DVD-Videos of it20:56
marcoagpintoI need to read the manaul20:57
marcoagpintomanual*20:57
marcoagpinto:)20:57
marcoagpintoRTFM20:57
marcoagpinto1280x720p instead of 572p (more bitrate)20:57
marcoagpinto:)20:57
marcoagpinto576p*20:58
daftykinsresolution doesn't automatically translate to bitrate shifts due to codec changes20:59
marcoagpintodaftykins: because it was minitapes? digital?21:08
marcoagpintoso, a higher bitrate would get more quality than DVD quality?21:08
daftykinsyou're not really making a lot of sense there21:10
marcoagpintoIf I well remember I had Pinnacle Studio 8 or 7 back in 2001 or 2002?21:10
marcoagpinto:)21:10
marcoagpintoand it sucked in the video settings?21:10
marcoagpintoeven the text I added got all pixelised21:10
marcoagpintoso, I just need to transfer the video from the minitapes and create a blu-ray with it with the maximum bitrate21:12
marcoagpinto:)21:12
marcoagpintoif the minitapes still work :p21:12
oerheksset auto21:12
marcoagpintooerheks: auto?21:13
oerhekskeep the resolution from the original file21:13
marcoagpintooerheks: can I store DVD-Video resolution into a blu-ray format?21:13
marcoagpinto:)21:13
marcoagpintorecord a blu-ray with a DVD-video?21:13
marcoagpinto:)21:13
oerheksno, that would be impossible21:14
marcoagpinto720x57621:14
marcoagpinto:)21:14
oerheksoh wait21:14
marcoagpinto4:321:14
oerhekssure, any format will do21:14
marcoagpintoohhhhhh....21:14
oerheksone can make a BR-data disk21:15
marcoagpintodo you mean, I just select 720x576 and target: "blu-ray"?21:15
marcoagpinto:)21:15
oerhekswoppa21:15
oerheksmouse, drag & drop21:15
marcoagpintoBuaaaaaaa21:15
marcoagpintothen it won't play in the stand-alone players21:15
* daftykins shakes his head21:15
marcoagpinto:(21:15
daftykinsi would not target optical formats at all21:16
marcoagpintodaftykins: but I wanted to add menus21:16
marcoagpinto:)21:16
daftykinsstuff nobody wants? ah ok21:17
marcoagpintothe conference was 4-hours long21:17
marcoagpintoI wanted to organise it by speecher21:17
marcoagpintoa photo of each speecher in the scenes21:18
marcoagpintoBuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa21:21
marcoagpintodaftykins: you made me meditate21:21
marcoagpintomaybe I could have one file per speecher21:21
marcoagpintoconference.1.name121:21
marcoagpintoconference.2.name221:21
daftykinsjust calm down, it's obvious you haven't looked at the basics of DVD or bluray authoring21:22
marcoagpintodon't I just need to create the menus and select the target format?21:23
marcoagpinto:)21:23
marcoagpintoI have processed several YouTube videos using Nero21:24
marcoagpintoresolution -> bitrate -> audio -> target?21:24
daftykinsa sane person would take the original source material and split that into titles to start with, then those'd be linked from a menu21:25
daftykinsbut it all sounds like a waste of effort to be honest21:25
marcoagpintoI have several minitapes21:25
marcoagpintoI first need to transfer them to the disk21:25
marcoagpintoI no longer know how the camcorder works21:26
marcoagpinto:(21:26
marcoagpintoI need to RTFM21:26
marcoagpintodaftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW8oK1vezM&21:28
marcoagpintoit is all pixelised21:28
marcoagpinto:)21:28
marcoagpintoPinnacle Studio back in 2001 or 2002 sucked21:28
marcoagpintoI converted from DVD-Video and exported to YouTube21:28
daftykinsyes you probably used trash tools that transcoded and degraded the source21:29
marcoagpintodaftykins: what could one expect 20 years ago?21:30
marcoagpinto:)21:30
daftykinsno you're just blaming the tools now21:30
marcoagpintoI just hope the tapes are still okay21:30
marcoagpintobitrate -> target21:31
marcoagpinto:)21:31
marcoagpintoPinnacle Studio 20 years ago21:31
daftykinswhy would you use the same thing o021:55
marcoagpinto:)22:00
marcoagpintodaftykins: I am leaving to bed... I will return in the morning22:00
marcoagpintotake care dear ones22:00
marcoagpintothe cola demon22:00

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