[00:03] This tape drive is going way faster than i expected [00:48] would wsl or vmware be better for hosting games like minecraft and terraria? [00:49] eelstrebor: Sorry, I'll try to hunt around myself. Didn't mean to lead you on a wild HPLIP chase. [00:58] eelstrebor: Found it, it was on 9to5linux. Here's the link: https://9to5linux.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing-driver-adds-support-for-ubuntu-20-04-lts [00:59] eelstrebor: Apparently version 3.20.5 adds support for 20.04 [01:11] Mordoc, i already tried installing that and got dependency error for a non-existant package: python-pyqt5 [01:18] eelstrebor: Ah. I saw something about that too. Hold on... [01:18] eelstrebor: Here's a AskUbuntu question and answer on that: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233752/hplip-requires-pyqt4 [01:19] eelstrebor: It seems to be current and might have a fix there for you. === zbenjamin is now known as Guest46266 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === pinpox- is now known as pinpox [02:01] I notice in Ubuntu 20.04, I don't know about other versions, many busybox commands don't seem to be provided by busybox. Why? === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant === disillusion is now known as Chinagate [04:34] Is anybody experiencing random hangs in a GNOME desktop session where everything just stops (graphics and sound), until you switch the tty using Ctrl-Alt-F3 and switch back? [05:27] Running Ubuntu on a 2017 Macbook Pro 14,1. It's buggy but fun [05:42] Hi, why xrandr doesn't list my HDMI monitor? it just list my laptop monitor, I tried many things, I'm using nvidia driver, this kubuntu is installed just now, it's so fresh, tried to install and change lightdm and sddm(not worked) also tried to reinstall (completely) nvidia driver, doesnt work also [05:45] in xrandr I just have eDP-1 === noj357 is now known as jnlar === sauvin is now known as Sauvin === Napsterbater is now known as Guest76318 === Napsterbater_ is now known as Napsterbater === The_Milkman1 is now known as The_Milkman [06:35] Spoon: if xrandr doesn't list your monitor, that most likely means it's not exposed by your driver, try another version [06:35] from the graphics-drivers ppa, for example [07:06] Will I have the same result if I do a clean 20.04 install vs dist-upgrade from 19.10? [07:14] hi. a snap program does not run because of some apparmor security. how can I disable apparmor for this snap? (its the markdown editor "remarkable") [07:16] if apparmor is blocking it - that's probably a good reason [07:16] do you really just want to blindly disable it ? [07:18] I want to check out if the program runs fine without it [07:18] thats my error message with the app: [07:18] https://i.imgur.com/RZsyRLB.png [07:29] Here... : https://i.imgur.com/wfsouof.png I want to disable apparmor just for this snap [07:53] I don't think you want to disable apparmor for a snap [07:53] I think you want to write appropriate policies [07:56] hello all. i'm trying to figure out if I have room my more RAM in my computer. I'm not a hardware person. I get the following info from dmidecode https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fqjtpFXcmZ/ Can anyone explaio it to me? [07:57] *explain [07:57] eliyahuTBR: lookup that motherboard model [07:58] Ikonia how do know what motherboard I have? [07:58] eliyahuTBR: dmidecode can show you [07:59] you happen to know the syntax? I grabbed that from an explanation from the web. I know nothing about dmidecode [07:59] not off the top of my head [08:00] appreciate it. time for more googling [08:00] should have done that 1st [08:01] it's fine, you started in a good place === The_Milkman1 is now known as The_Milkman [08:02] man, the amount of information at one's fingertips is still staggering to me even after being on the net for 25+ years. [08:03] if I set nm-applet not to autostart on logging in, does the whole app not start or only the gui? does it run as a daemon? [08:04] network manager runs regardless, if that's what you're asking [08:04] yup, ok [08:06] is there a way to determine which br43 firmware is loaded onto the wireless network card? [08:08] can I stop network manager runnig as a daemon? [08:09] !services [08:10] !systemd [08:10] systemd is the default init system for Ubuntu 15.04 onwards. For information on transitioning from upstart to systemd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers For a guide to basic service management with systemd, see https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units [08:10] aeplus: maybe with the systool program [08:10] check that out, what you're going to have to do is disable network manager service [08:10] frad: ^ [08:11] thanks @ikonia. i asked my boss for a new RAM card. [08:11] good for you [08:12] why is it that if i umount a ext3 partition and then start fdisk on that disk where the partition is located, the partition is automatially mounted back? [08:13] shouldn't be [08:13] you can't actually fsck a mounted partition [08:13] fdisk [08:14] sorry, thought you said fsck [08:14] akik: what command are you running ? [08:14] something like sudo fdisk /dev/sda [08:14] (exactly) [08:15] ikonia: sudo umount /dev/sdb3; sudo fdisk /dev/sdb [08:15] ikonia: i have that partition added in /etc/fstab [08:16] specter, thank you. Working on it! [08:16] akik: that shouldn't auto mount it though [08:16] fdisk shouldn't trigger a partition getting mounted [08:16] ikonia: that's what i thought but it happens on 18.04.4 [08:17] the only think that would auto mount a partition is if you have it condifure to automount and someone activated that directory (not disk) [08:17] akik: where is sdb3 mounted out of interest [08:17] ikonia: /install [08:19] i have trouble figuring out the search terms to find similar reports :) [08:23] I want to disable apparmor for this app: https://i.imgur.com/vYBibOx.png [08:23] but I cannot find it in this list: https://i.imgur.com/Shl3WbE.png [08:29] again, I don't think you do [08:30] I think you want to write an appropriate policy for it [08:34] I don't understand the difference between systemd and systemctl. is Systemd the app and systemctl the command line application? [08:38] that's it [08:38] systemd is the process systemctl is the way to interact with it [08:38] sounds like you've got it just fine [08:50] sudo systemctl enable libreoffice --writer && sudo systemctl enable geany && sudo systemctl thunar < will this work? [08:53] frad: no you control systemd services with systemctl. you can see them in /usr/lib/systemd/system and /etc/systemd/system [08:59] eh, not all processes can be run directly as services, some require a systemd service unit to be created first in /etc/systemd/system, then started with systemctl [09:01] check the man pages for the applications to see if they support daemonization [09:02] oh [09:02] libreoffice has to support daemonization [09:02] ... [09:04] what about Settings > Session and startup? Does that also use systemd? [09:04] xfce? [09:04] yes [09:05] xfwm handles starting things automatically, and some of those use systemd to do it, but not all of them... [09:06] i see, I thought systemd can be used to start and stop absolutely every aplication present on ubuntu... === The_Milkman1 is now known as The_Milkman [09:08] also read: man systemd thoroughly to get a deeper understanding [09:09] got it [09:09] also you'll want to investigate the xfwm4 documents to understand how it interoperates with systemd [09:11] s/xfwm4/xfwm4+xfce4 [10:05] hello I have a system already running Windows10 (with UEFI + Secure Boot) and I will reformat it in order to have prepare it for dual boot. [10:05] so what are the steps? do I need to disable secure boot? [10:06] Ubuntu will be installed in another disk than Windows10, do I install Win10 first? [10:17] ubuntu can handle secure boot but it works also fine without [10:17] for dual boot you install windows 10 first. leaving enough space for linux. then you install linux [10:17] will put a boot loader with a few ubuntu kernels + entry for windows 10 [10:37] GR1M0R4CL3: do you happen to know from which version of Ubuntu and beyond handles secure boot fine? 18.04-4? [10:47] Olspookishmagus, is it known that earlier versions did not handle it fine? Because Wikipedia claims that 12.04 already had it. There's also a claim that it's in Debian 10, so in that sense it probably should be in Ubuntu starting from 19.10 or 20.04. But most likely you know more about this than I do. === StathisA_ is now known as StathisA [10:48] Just trying to offer some obvious low-level help if that would randomly be useful. [10:51] 'Morning all [11:17] Stupid question: I have somehow disabled CTRL+L to clear the terminal. Any idea how I may have done that? [11:18] In the shortcuts menu for the terminal it has mappings for reset and for reset+clear, but not for just clear. [11:18] I've been typing "clear" manually to do it today [11:19] I'm on 18 LTS, so gnome-terminal [12:13] Thaurwylth: thanks but what's your source in Wikipedia about this specific topic? [12:37] zmagii, i do not use gnome at the moment, but is it not listed under "Gnome-terminal > Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts ? [13:15] hey, I just installed ubuntu 20.04 and I can't install AMD GPU drivers - they're only available for 18.04. any ideas when they will be available for 20.04? are there any wrokarounds? [13:18] sarna: amdgpu may be loading by the kernel and usually is just fine. [13:18] sarna: lsmod | grep amdgpu [13:19] mesaboogie: it is, but I'm getting way worse FPS in games than on manjaro or windows [13:21] on what card exactly? [13:21] RX 580 [13:22] rx580, i read about that card before, is it supported by amdgpu-pro? amdgpu should be loaded.. [13:22] it is supported by amdgpu-pro, but amdgpu-pro isn't supported on ubuntu 20.04 [13:23] https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-500-series/radeon-rx-500-series/radeon-rx-580 [13:23] only 18.04, throws an error on 20.04 [13:32] Got a question if anyone has a link I'd apperciate, but I'm wanting to setup a VM to run ubuntu on my local server to setup a dev env for a software that I'm working on and it has localhost only servers so I need a good rdp client and I'm wondering if doing an xrdp is better or should I go with X over ssh type thing? [13:42] Olspookishmagus, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot [13:54] Thaurwylth: thanks [14:02] what´s the proper place to put user scripts so they are in the default path? [14:02] (I use a tiling wm with one of those menu bars that you press cmd-p and can type a program name. and want airtable there since there's no desktop airtable for linux) [14:04] xheimlich, how about ~/bin? [14:04] I mean it works if i put a script on /usr/bin, but is that sane? [14:04] xheimlich, depends on what the other users on the system think of it. if they don't care, it's ok. [14:04] I didn't want to add folders to my path in .bashrc because I want dmenu (I think it's dmenu) to know about it. I was wondering if there's a conventionl place. [14:05] I think I asked a bad question. Please keep calm and carry on. [14:06] do the dmenu docs say where it looks? from the name, maybe it might even scan /usr/share/applications/. [14:06] I'm not even sure it's dmenu. I thought there was a quick standard place so it was quicker this way. [14:06] Wasn't a good questiion, apologies. [14:07] no problem. just to clarify for onlookers, dmenu seems to only read menu items from stdin. [14:08] I'm in the middle of a workday ad can't go on a wild goose chase. I'm sorry again for wasting your time. [14:09] working from home sucks. Normally I would go to my boss's office whenever and if he wasn't busy we'd talk. Now we have to schedule zoom sessions. [14:10] xheimlich, I put my scripts in ~/bin so I can edit without su and then link them in /usr/local/bin so they are in the path [14:10] Like the method was that he had glass walls and was on the way to the coffee machine. Now I have to ready some stuff for the schedule mini meeting instead of just passing him by when it's done. [14:11] th0r: this is great! [14:11] Hello. /window 1 [14:11] is there a channel where I can keep bitching about working from home? haha [14:12] th0r, xheimlich, be aware that whether you can edit them is purely about file permissions, and can apply to almost any path outside your home directory just as well. [14:12] I'm having an issue with sudo. If a user (not root) specifies another user it works as expected, but adding a specified group to that user causes a password propmt, and it fails after that, because the password isn't accepted. [14:12] Anyone seen this kind of thing before? [14:12] xheimlich, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic [14:12] Sven_vB: yeah. But I usually have a sublime text window to my home folder [14:13] I have to quit IRC, I get chatty. [14:13] Thanks everyone. May life give you the futures of your choice. [14:13] Heebie, anything in /var/log/{sys,auth.}log about it? [14:15] Sven_vB: Sadly, no. in this case it's only logged into elastic... and elastic drops anything that doesn't come from the application running on the box. :/ [14:15] Hi, just installed 20.04 ... It asked to hook up accounts, so I hooked it up to Google. It wanted access to GMail, Google Drive, etc. So... I hooked it up, now, what can I do in GMail? [14:16] Heebie, in that case I'd optimize my logging first. poking in the dark is not a good way to debug. [14:16] I chose to use LVM a few years ago. Is the general consensus on LVM good, bad, or ymmv? [14:16] platz: ymmv, really. It can be very useful. [14:16] Heebie, also auth log might contain security related important messgaes, so they should be handled in a sensible way. [14:16] i see, thanks [14:17] platz, I like LVM so far. [14:17] i've been doing ok with it. they seem to have removed the lvm gui tools [14:18] but that's not too bad [14:18] There were lvm gui tools? =D [14:18] maybe they're just in another repo now [14:18] https://www.howtogeek.com/127246/linux-sysadmin-how-to-manage-lvms-with-a-gui/ [14:19] but i think gparted can do some of it now [14:19] really? that would be nice [14:20] it depends what you're trying to do [14:21] i found when you are moving/changing things around in gparted, it's smart enough to issue lvm commands so as to not break things, but it all happens in the background. you can't manage lvm directly from there [14:26] I set up gnome to use Google for e-mail. Yet, when I click on a mailto: link in web browser it tries to open up Thunderbird. What is this Gnome / GMail integration? [14:27] FunkyELF, what happens when you run, in a shell, xdg-open mailto:hi@example.net? [14:28] Sven_vB, Thunderbird wants me to setup a Unix Mailspool account [14:29] FunkyELF, when you quit TB and run xdg-email, will it start TB again [14:29] ? [14:29] FunkyELF: sudo apt install gnome-gmail [14:29] Sven_vB, correct [14:30] FunkyELF: installing the gnome-gmail package will allow you to set gmail as your default mail "application" [14:30] Gnome should probably suggest to install gnome-gmail when you configure it for gmail. I'd see if there's a bug already, and file it if not. [14:31] just purge thunderbird its behind the times. i feel like no one uses mail clients anymore anyway [14:31] leftyfb, I'm confused... under Online Accounts, I see Google. When I click it, it has "Use for Mail" selected. [14:31] three: lets try to keep to good suggestions [14:32] purging thunderbird if you arent going to use it is a good suggestion [14:32] FunkyELF: trust me, install gnome-gmail , then go to the "default applications" settings and set gmail as your default email client [14:32] hi anybody there?? [14:32] itsme5n: 1315 users are [14:33] three: except nothing you said helps FunkyELF, nor is suggesting "no one uses mail clients anymore anyway" helpful in any way, or accurate [14:33] Because this is a logged channel you can also check the most recent log and see if there is any talk recorded there. [14:34] thanks leftyfb Sven_vB ... I think it's working now. I was just confused why Gnome needed access to my GMail account to "read, compose, send, delete" my email if all it's going to do is just open a web browser. [14:34] I am not able to see my wlp2s0 in ifconfig in virtual box [14:35] how to get wireless adapter in virtualbox? [14:35] itsme5n: you need to pass through your wireless adapter to your guest VM. That should be in the Virtualbox documentation. Mind you, when you do that, the host will no longer be able to use that wifi adapter [14:35] three, for your reality check, I know about 20 people who do use mail clients. [14:36] sorry i wasnt suggesting it as a "solution to his problem" it was just a suggestion based on my personal preference (which i believe is a fair position) [14:36] Sven_vB: 21 [14:36] but do they use thunderbird is the real question [14:36] three: I do [14:36] I have 7 accounts on it [14:36] do you have it like themed or anything i just cant stand its default, well everything [14:37] three: no, it works just fine the way it is [14:37] how to enable it [14:37] I did in network enabled bridged and selected my wireless device [14:38] maybe i should give it another chance now that i actually use my email more often but a couple years ago i used it for a bit and just didnt like it very much and it just doesnt make sense to me as a solution for the majority of people when there are easy to use concise web based email clients everywhere [14:38] itsme5n: you'll need to seek support/documentation from Oracle/Virtualbox/google. Virtualbox is not a package supported here as it's not part of Ubuntu [14:39] itsme5n: it's not something you setup in Ubuntu. It's setup in Virtualbox [14:39] while I do agree that TB is a pain, and have been demonstrated by some of the devs that it's my own fault for having put myself in the role of being one of their victims, I still haven't managed to migrate away. :( however at least 6 of the people I know use mail clients, do use TB and are somewhat ok with it. [14:39] give me web link [14:39] wasnt try to be abrasive sorry if i came off that way [14:39] are you on ubuntu itsme5n? [14:40] itsme5n: my quick googling tells me you cannot pass through a wireless chipset to your VB guest. Only if it's a usb adapter, then you pass through the usb adapter. [14:41] also why do you need a wireless updater inside your vm if you are using a network bridge? [14:42] if you are bridging your host machines wireless card to a vm the vm with see it as a wired connection i believe [14:42] maybe to scan the APs around for geoposition [14:42] or even hostap [14:42] three, +1 [14:45] yes that's problem to me [14:45] I am unable to put my wireless card into monitor mode [14:45] do you have a eth0 type adapter when you run ip link [14:45] itsme5n: you cannot pass though a wifi adapter connected via pci to your VirtualBox guest [14:45] ^ [14:46] what goal are you trying to achieve with this? just connecting to the internet or something else? [14:47] something else but y virtual box show wlan0 instead of only eth0 [14:48] im having trouble understanding to be honest with you. Does ip link show both wlan0 and eth0 or just one or what. you havent given us any actual facts to go off of to help you [14:49] Man this whole thing seems nuts. I installed gnome-gmail. I already gave Gnome access to do everything in my Google account, but now when I try to click on a mailto: link Google is now asking that dsteele@gmail.com has access to my Gmail [14:49] you havent told us what you're trying to do all you said is your wireless card doesnt work and youre using VB. you havent even told us if youre using ubuntu [14:50] three: I don't think English is their first language. I do not think they meant to say wlan0 was showing up in their Vbox guest, because that isn't possible unless it's a usb adapter and they passed it through, which doesn't sound likely [14:50] ... like, not an official Gnome account, or something, this looks like his personal email. [14:50] wifi in monitor mode, the dapter and driver must be suitable, host problem [14:51] no I am using arch [14:52] but in any distro problem is same [14:52] ohhh, no, ubuntu works fine. [14:52] good luck with your arch! [14:52] itsme5n: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Please seek support from Arch/Virtualbox [14:52] or windows, if that is the host ... [14:52] what u mean in ubuntu u are able to get wlan in virtualbox?? [14:53] have u tried it ? [14:53] itsme5n: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Please seek support from Arch/Virtualbox [14:53] check the ubuntu wiki, it should work. on unbunt. [14:53] to be fair they told him to leave the arch channel cause hes not using stock arch [14:53] can u give me web link [14:54] arch group dint have Solutions to my question [14:54] itsme5n, no, sure you can find it. [14:54] itsme5n: good luck [14:55] itsme5n im still not even sure i understand what your issue is so its very hard to make a suggestion [14:56] three: they're not running Ubuntu. Feel free to take the discussion elsewhere. [14:57] fair enough itsme5n dm me if you want any suggestions i feel bad everyone has shot you down [14:59] so what's everyone's favorite 20.04 flavor? [15:00] !discuss | three [15:00] three: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [15:02] geez was just trying to fill the void a bit in here [15:02] three: no need to fill voids here, we try to divide discussions from actual ubuntu support [15:03] three, no need, to sit back and relax [15:03] three: its pretty easy: type /join #ubuntu-discuss and you can talk about flavours 24/7 [15:04] lotuspsychje i was just being a smarta** i understand lol. im just bored at work and havent seen many questions yet. ill quit the smarta**ing though [15:05] Hi all! I was wondering if anybody knows if Ubuntu 20.04 LTS supports fingerprint login (I'm on a Lenovo L13 laptop, fresh Ubuntu install) [15:06] whats the desktop environment and display manager you using? [15:06] just the default gnome? [15:06] three: yes [15:07] im not a gnome user but isnt there a part of the settings for fingerprints built in [15:08] kieto, yes, check out https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui for your device, list continues on https://fprint.freedesktop.org/support [15:09] most devices work, without internal encryption from device to system.. [15:09] ( work in progress ) [15:09] top of that page says "Fingerprint GUI is no longer maintained and is not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04 and newer" [15:09] oerheks: it says "Fingerprint GUI is no longer maintained and is not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04 and newer" [15:09] three: yes XD [15:10] it gives a focal package now, and three is right, it is build in. [15:10] it looks like its in settings under users [15:10] just showing the list of devices, to shorten your search. [15:11] oerheks: yes, it seems that my device is not listed [15:11] so I guess I'll have to wait, thanks for the help! :) [15:11] yw [15:13] kieto: help yourself and the community and file a !bug ? [15:13] lotuspsychje: well, it's not really a bug, is it? Just not supported atm [15:14] kieto: well if something is not working by default, i would consider it as a bug on ubuntu [15:15] I mean, I'm happy to help developers to support this device, but I don't know if a bug is the best way [15:16] kieto, without demand, there will be no team picking it up( who own your device to work with) [15:17] that is why some printers are not supported too, no demand ( read not enough printers sold ) [15:17] so where should I file the bug? [15:17] !bug [15:17] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [15:17] oerheks: thx [15:17] fingerprint + that 8 digit device ID [15:22] oerheks: that's it? I did it and nothing showed up === Yorick_ is now known as Yorick === Yorick is now known as Guest24379 [15:35] any way to not have snaps show up [15:35] lsblk [15:35] and other programs [15:35] its annoying [15:35] loop0 7:0 0 27.1M 1 loop /snap/snapd/7264 [15:37] goddard: lsblk -e7 [15:37] goddard: man pages are great for this sort of thing [15:39] thanks [15:41] goddard: you could also do something like: lsblk -I 253,259 [15:46] goddard: or even lsblk | grep -v loop [15:47] goddard: or better, lsblk | grep -v /snap/ [15:47] or lsblk -e7 [15:47] haha [15:55] ioria: I already said that :) [15:55] leftyfb, yeah (i saw that ) [15:59] Question. Ehy is not an entry for 20.04LTS in the file https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts ? I think its lack prevents my 18.04 LTS do-release-upgrade to 20.04 LTS with prompt=lts in release-upgrades file. [16:00] thanks. [16:00] Hi, I'm trying to execute some firewall scripts I had on 18.04 into the new Ubuntu Server 20.04, but ebtables is behaving strange. dpkg -l says that the installed version is 2.0.11, but ebtables -V return 1.8.4. In U18.04 both commands returned 2.0.10 [16:05] Fixed... iptables packages also installs ebtables binary (with version 1.8.4). The old ebtables is called ebtables-legacy [16:11] Anyone have an idea _which_ model of Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 7 is certified pre-install? https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201904-26993 [16:14] lenovo support would probably be better suited to answer that [16:17] Its maybe a little offtopic but is it bad to leave the tape in the tape drive after use? (LTO-3) [16:30] kenwoodfox: maybe better to ask in ##hardware [16:30] Sure thing, thank you ducasse [16:30] kenwoodfox: but i wouldn't think so, other than accidentally overwriting it === benfrancis3 is now known as benfrancis [16:31] the host software checks the tape before writing, its the dust that worries me [16:31] I dont like the idea of the tape just being left there in the drive not moving [16:32] especially if i have 5 days between backup jobs [16:34] https://youtu.be/xm06GixEW48 [16:36] kenwoodfox, thanks, but please no youtube urls [16:37] !ot [16:37] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [16:37] Sorry :c [16:55] I don't want to seem negative, but I just tried Ubuntu 20.04, as well as CentOS 8. What differences remain between Ubuntu and CentOS, other than package manager and package names, and the fact that ubuntu doesn't auto-hide the left activities by default? [16:58] rangergord: the support timeframes, the installer [16:58] I mean they are developed by different people and are different projects. In general terms the difference is the software that comes preinstalled the most obvious example of that is that the package managers are different [16:59] idk, seems like the actual every day experience is the same now, now that the UI is identical [17:00] well theres a lot more to each distro than the ui [17:00] but yes the ui is similar though you could install whatever ui you wanted on either [17:02] if your asking if they are different in terms of general operating than no they both run the linux kernal (probably the same one but idk) and they probably share a good amount of software between the two so yes they are similar but you could make that argument about any of the linux distros [17:04] rangergord: also keep in mind which version of the kernel they use and which patches they apply, but as you say they are more under the hood differences that the average user won't notice but significant from a support perspective [17:06] just not sure what Canonical's endgame is. If the product is indistinguishable from the main competition to the end-user, what makes Ubuntu Ubuntu? CentOS has long-term support just like Ubuntu does. [17:07] thinkT510 is right i mean take for instance xfce its pretty much the same on any distro but that doesnt stop xfce users from distrohopping. and yeah support plays a major role in selecting the distro thats right for you [17:07] I know this observation applies to all distros [17:07] but SOMETHING made Ubuntu the leading desktop distro [17:07] mainly ubuntus claim to fame is 1: the different flavors that are easy to install 2: the amount of support the ubuntu community has [17:08] are there any numbers as to what % of Ubuntu users are on classic, and what % on the flavors? [17:08] pretty much any problem you could have on ubuntu can be found online which is part of why its so popular. thats not to say redhat and centos dont have huge communities too ubuntus is just very large and generally helpful [17:09] thats a good question honestly [17:09] i feel like a lot of people use gnome and kde and mate and maybe throw xfce in there [17:09] there is no way to get those stats.. nor downloads, updates ... [17:09] but if i had to guess those 3 would probably be the most popular [17:10] even wikipedia os/browser stats are just an indication [17:10] Kubuntu doesnt share download/install stats with Canonical? That seems rude [17:10] really? isnt it designed by canonical [17:10] no, there aer so many mirrors, open and private.. [17:11] xfce isnt the most beautiful, but is pretty slim, memory economic, i like it. [17:11] and distrowatch is just a bot-infected stats site.. but nice for package details [17:11] distrowatch is hot garbage [17:11] xfce is fantastic in my opinion [17:11] you can make it beautiful [17:15] I'm a KDE fan. Stays familiar enough. [17:19] anyone seeing issues with .53 kernel on 19.10 with nvidia proprietary drivers? [17:19] I'm getting a `pk-client-error-quark` error [17:19] I tried purge and autoremove as suggested here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1175563/nvidia-435-broken-packages [17:20] .52 seems to be fine [17:20] er... is it .51? the other next lower version seems fine, I think [17:21] so, how do I either A) fix the current kernel or B) rollback to the previous kernel and prevent upgrades from upgrading the kernel? [17:23] gehn, i guess it's a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1768050 [17:23] Launchpad bug 1768050 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "package libnvidia-gl-390 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: new libnvidia-gl-390:amd64 package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 2 (NOT FIXED)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:26] After installing bionic, I noticed my resolf.cong points to 127.0.0.53 with the options edns, is that new in bionic? [17:28] output of `dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia` is empty, i.e. no matches [17:28] ioria, also that page doesn't seem to mention the pk-client error I'm seeing [17:30] gehn, true, i was looking at the errors in the page you linked [17:30] ioria, but the bug tracker is a good idea, I found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1878946 [17:30] Launchpad bug 1878946 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-440 (Ubuntu) "Cannot install proprietary NVIDIA driver" [Undecided,New] [17:30] which looks more like what I'm hitting === rifle is now known as rfleming [17:31] I'm on 19.10, that's for Kubuntu 20.04, which I was literally about to try installing just to see if things are fixed, so... good thing I didn't do that yet :) [17:35] gehn, maybe you can paste for the channel the full error log you got [17:37] only problem with that is the "Additional Drivers" tab of "Software & Updates" doesn't show a terminal or logs [17:39] i see gehn maybe it's the same here ? : > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1878587 [17:39] Launchpad bug 1878587 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "pk-client-error-quarl could not get lock when selecting driver from synaptic" [Low,New] [17:40] gehn, and i suggest to debug with the command line, in this cases [17:41] so what's the proper command line way to do what "Additional Drivers" does? [17:42] gehn, sudo apt install nvidia-driver-xxx (almost) [17:43] gehn, you can simulate the install : 'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx' [17:43] I've read somewhere that apt-get is more reliable than apt [17:43] which one should I use here? [17:44] i don't think that's the point [17:45] gehn, check with 'ubuntu-drivers list' what versions you have available [17:45] gehn, then run 'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx' [17:47] hello kids [17:47] what is your opinion on the yo mama youtube channel [17:48] BigMeatyMike, this is not a channel for chatting about these things [17:48] ok cool,i will stop now [17:49] I am following the instructions in the following article, but desktop sharing is inactive and not editable. Why? https://linuxconfig.org/remote-desktop-sharing-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa [17:51] ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9KMSvwqh3s/ and https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RzmfX9KDbw/ [17:52] I had tried command line install and noticed it was complaining about nvidia-dkms not being installed [17:52] so I tried installing just dkms, that's the output of the apt-get install command, and subsequently the log file it references [17:53] looks like some headers aren't being generated by autotools? [17:53] or I wonder if maybe they're supposed to be pre-generated but were not included in the generic package? [17:54] gehn, i suggest to purge all *nvidia pkgs, and paste 'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx' [17:54] what command should I use to ensure all nvidia packages are purged? [17:54] command or commands I guess [17:56] gehn, you check them with 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' ; then apt purge nvidia-driver-xxx ; then apt autoremove --purge [17:59] ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jf6h6ypHMb/ [18:00] gehn, looks fine [18:03] hello [18:04] 18.04 handles secure boot fine [18:04] i'm running 18.04 on a dell xps 2020 preloaded with ubuntu and it's using secure boot [18:04] but im not using a nvidia card and if you do, intalling secure boot will require some work with the nvidia driver i think [18:04] ioria, so then what do I do now [18:04] that was a simulation, right? not the actual build [18:05] i am not a simulation ! i am a free man ! [18:05] gehn, yes, sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435 [18:08] ioria, same dkms related error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FN45d7Smrf/ [18:09] crash log file is same as I already posted a few minutes ago [18:11] gehn, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 [18:12] Hey guys, just installed the latest desktop version 20. something, The displays show without problem on a 24" monitor, but when connecting to the tv it shows nothing.... Terminal works and when I logon and the GUI / desktop starts the tv looses signal. Anyone know what could be cuasing this? [18:13] Preferred IRC client for ubuntu? I'm using konversation but it doesn't have a dark mode [18:13] ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bMQcMxQhBM/ [18:14] kieto, hexchat or weechat are a couple of other decent linux clients [18:14]