[00:03] <kenwoodfox> This tape drive is going way faster than i expected
[00:48] <annihilator> would wsl or vmware be better for hosting games like minecraft and terraria?
[00:49] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: Sorry, I'll try to hunt around myself. Didn't mean to lead you on a wild HPLIP chase.
[00:58] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: Found it, it was on 9to5linux. Here's the link: https://9to5linux.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing-driver-adds-support-for-ubuntu-20-04-lts
[00:59] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: Apparently version 3.20.5 adds support for 20.04
[01:11] <eelstrebor> Mordoc, i already tried installing that and got dependency error for a non-existant package: python-pyqt5
[01:18] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: Ah. I saw something about that too. Hold on...
[01:18] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: Here's a AskUbuntu question and answer on that: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233752/hplip-requires-pyqt4
[01:19] <Mordoc> eelstrebor: It seems to be current and might have a fix there for you.
[02:01] <Spoon> I notice in Ubuntu 20.04, I don't know about other versions, many busybox commands don't seem to be provided by busybox. Why?
[04:34] <k_sze> Is anybody experiencing random hangs in a GNOME desktop session where everything just stops (graphics and sound), until you switch the tty using Ctrl-Alt-F3 and switch back?
[05:27] <kvndy> Running Ubuntu on a 2017 Macbook Pro 14,1. It's buggy but fun
[05:42] <Saeid> Hi, why xrandr doesn't list my HDMI monitor? it just list my laptop monitor, I tried many things, I'm using nvidia driver, this kubuntu is installed just now, it's so fresh, tried to install and change lightdm and sddm(not worked) also tried to reinstall (completely) nvidia driver, doesnt work also
[05:45] <Saeid> in xrandr I just have eDP-1
[06:35] <ducasse> Spoon: if xrandr doesn't list your monitor, that most likely means it's not exposed by your driver, try another version
[06:35] <ducasse> from the graphics-drivers ppa, for example
[07:06] <Pinchiukas> Will I have the same result if I do a clean 20.04 install vs dist-upgrade from 19.10?
[07:14] <pragomer> hi. a snap program does not run because of some apparmor security. how can I disable apparmor for this snap? (its the markdown editor "remarkable")
[07:16] <ikonia> if apparmor is blocking it - that's probably a good reason
[07:16] <ikonia> do you really just want to blindly disable it ?
[07:18] <pragomer> I want to check out if the program runs fine without it
[07:18] <pragomer> thats my error message with the app:
[07:18] <pragomer> https://i.imgur.com/RZsyRLB.png
[07:29] <pragomer> Here... : https://i.imgur.com/wfsouof.png    I want to disable apparmor just for this snap
[07:53] <ikonia> I don't think you want to disable apparmor for a snap
[07:53] <ikonia> I think you want to write appropriate policies
[07:56] <eliyahuTBR> hello all. i'm trying to figure out if I have room my more RAM in my computer. I'm not a hardware person. I get the following info from dmidecode https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fqjtpFXcmZ/ Can anyone explaio it to me?
[07:57] <eliyahuTBR> *explain
[07:57] <ikonia> eliyahuTBR: lookup that motherboard model
[07:58] <eliyahuTBR> Ikonia how do know what motherboard I have?
[07:58] <ikonia> eliyahuTBR: dmidecode can show you
[07:59] <eliyahuTBR> you happen to know the syntax? I grabbed that from an explanation from the web. I know nothing about dmidecode
[07:59] <ikonia> not off the top of my head
[08:00] <eliyahuTBR> appreciate it. time for more googling
[08:00] <eliyahuTBR> should have done that 1st
[08:01] <ikonia> it's fine, you started in a good place
[08:02] <eliyahuTBR> man, the amount of information at one's fingertips is still staggering to me even after being on the net for 25+ years.
[08:03] <frad> if I set nm-applet not to autostart on logging in, does the whole app not start or only the gui? does it run as a daemon?
[08:04] <specter> network manager runs regardless, if that's what you're asking
[08:04] <frad> yup, ok
[08:06] <aeplus> is there a way to determine which br43 firmware is loaded onto the wireless network card?
[08:08] <frad> can I stop network manager runnig as a daemon?
[08:09] <specter> !services
[08:10] <specter> !systemd
[08:10] <akik> aeplus: maybe with the systool program
[08:10] <specter> check that out, what you're going to have to do is disable network manager service
[08:10] <specter> frad: ^
[08:11] <eliyahuTBR> thanks @ikonia. i asked my boss for a new RAM card.
[08:11] <ikonia> good for you
[08:12] <akik> why is it that if i umount a ext3 partition and then start fdisk on that disk where the partition is located, the partition is automatially mounted back?
[08:13] <ikonia> shouldn't be
[08:13] <ikonia> you can't actually fsck a mounted partition
[08:13] <akik> fdisk
[08:14] <ikonia> sorry, thought you said fsck
[08:14] <ikonia> akik: what command are you running ?
[08:14] <ikonia> something like sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[08:14] <ikonia> (exactly)
[08:15] <akik> ikonia: sudo umount /dev/sdb3; sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[08:15] <akik> ikonia: i have that partition added in /etc/fstab
[08:16] <frad> specter, thank you. Working on it!
[08:16] <ikonia> akik: that shouldn't auto mount it though
[08:16] <ikonia> fdisk shouldn't trigger a partition getting mounted
[08:16] <akik> ikonia: that's what i thought but it happens on 18.04.4
[08:17] <ikonia> the only think that would auto mount a partition is if you have it condifure to automount and someone activated that directory (not disk)
[08:17] <ikonia> akik: where is sdb3 mounted out of interest
[08:17] <akik> ikonia: /install
[08:19] <akik> i have trouble figuring out the search terms to find similar reports :)
[08:23] <pragomer> I want to disable apparmor for this app: https://i.imgur.com/vYBibOx.png
[08:23] <pragomer> but I cannot find it in this list: https://i.imgur.com/Shl3WbE.png
[08:29] <ikonia> again, I don't think you do
[08:30] <ikonia> I think you want to write an appropriate policy for it
[08:34] <frad> I don't understand the difference between systemd and systemctl. is Systemd the app and systemctl the command line application?
[08:38] <ikonia> that's it
[08:38] <ikonia> systemd is the process systemctl is the way to interact with it
[08:38] <ikonia> sounds like you've got it just fine
[08:50] <frad> sudo systemctl enable libreoffice --writer && sudo systemctl enable geany && sudo systemctl thunar < will this work?
[08:53] <akik> frad: no you control systemd services with systemctl. you can see them in /usr/lib/systemd/system and /etc/systemd/system
[08:59] <specter> eh, not all processes can be run directly as services, some require a systemd service unit to be created first in /etc/systemd/system, then started with systemctl
[09:01] <specter> check the man pages for the applications to see if they support daemonization
[09:02] <frad> oh
[09:02] <frad> libreoffice has to support daemonization
[09:02] <frad> ...
[09:04] <frad> what about Settings > Session and startup? Does that also use systemd?
[09:04] <specter> xfce?
[09:04] <frad> yes
[09:05] <specter> xfwm handles starting things automatically, and some of those use systemd to do it, but not all of them...
[09:06] <frad> i see, I thought systemd can be used to start and stop absolutely every aplication present on ubuntu...
[09:08] <specter> also read: man systemd thoroughly to get a deeper understanding
[09:09] <frad> got it
[09:09] <specter> also you'll want to investigate the xfwm4 documents to understand how it interoperates with systemd
[09:11] <specter> s/xfwm4/xfwm4+xfce4
[10:05] <olspookishmagus> hello I have a system already running Windows10 (with UEFI + Secure Boot) and I will reformat it in order to have prepare it for dual boot.
[10:05] <olspookishmagus> so what are the steps? do I need to disable secure boot?
[10:06] <olspookishmagus> Ubuntu will be installed in another disk than Windows10, do I install Win10 first?
[10:17] <GR1M0R4CL3> ubuntu can handle secure boot but it works also fine without
[10:17] <GR1M0R4CL3> for dual boot you install windows 10 first. leaving enough space for linux. then you install linux
[10:17] <GR1M0R4CL3> will put a boot loader with a few ubuntu kernels + entry for windows 10
[10:37] <olspookishmagus> GR1M0R4CL3: do you happen to know from which version of Ubuntu and beyond handles secure boot fine? 18.04-4?
[10:47] <Thaurwylth> Olspookishmagus, is it known that earlier versions did not handle it fine? Because Wikipedia claims that 12.04 already had it. There's also a claim that it's in Debian 10, so in that sense it probably should be in Ubuntu starting from 19.10 or 20.04. But most likely you know more about this than I do.
[10:48] <Thaurwylth> Just trying to offer some obvious low-level help if that would randomly be useful.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:17] <zmagii> Stupid question: I have somehow disabled CTRL+L to clear the terminal. Any idea how I may have done that?
[11:18] <zmagii> In the shortcuts menu for the terminal it has mappings for reset and for reset+clear, but not for just clear.
[11:18] <zmagii> I've been typing "clear" manually to do it today
[11:19] <zmagii> I'm on 18 LTS, so gnome-terminal
[12:13] <olspookishmagus> Thaurwylth: thanks but what's your source in Wikipedia about this specific topic?
[12:37] <coconut> zmagii, i do not use gnome at the moment, but is it not listed under "Gnome-terminal > Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts ?
[13:15] <sarna> hey, I just installed ubuntu 20.04 and I can't install AMD GPU drivers - they're only available for 18.04. any ideas when they will be available for 20.04? are there any wrokarounds?
[13:18] <mesaboogie> sarna: amdgpu may be loading by the kernel and usually is just fine.
[13:18] <mesaboogie> sarna: lsmod | grep amdgpu
[13:19] <sarna> mesaboogie: it is, but I'm getting way worse FPS in games than on manjaro or windows
[13:21] <oerheks> on what card exactly?
[13:21] <sarna> RX 580
[13:22] <oerheks> rx580, i read about that card before, is it supported by amdgpu-pro? amdgpu should be loaded..
[13:22] <sarna> it is supported by amdgpu-pro, but amdgpu-pro isn't supported on ubuntu 20.04
[13:23] <sarna> https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-500-series/radeon-rx-500-series/radeon-rx-580
[13:23] <sarna> only 18.04, throws an error on 20.04
[13:32] <Malgorath> Got a question if anyone has a link I'd apperciate, but I'm wanting to setup a VM to run ubuntu on my local server to setup a dev env for a software that I'm working on and it has localhost only servers so I need a good rdp client and I'm wondering if doing an xrdp is better or should I go with X over ssh type thing?
[13:42] <Thaurwylth> Olspookishmagus, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot
[13:54] <olspookishmagus> Thaurwylth: thanks
[14:02] <xheimlich> what´s the proper place to put user scripts so they are in the default path?
[14:02] <xheimlich> (I use a tiling wm with one of those menu bars that you press cmd-p and can type a program name. and want airtable there since there's no desktop airtable for linux)
[14:04] <Sven_vB> xheimlich, how about ~/bin?
[14:04] <xheimlich> I mean it works if i put a script on /usr/bin, but is that sane?
[14:04] <Sven_vB> xheimlich, depends on what the other users on the system think of it. if they don't care, it's ok.
[14:04] <xheimlich> I didn't want to add folders to my path in .bashrc because I want dmenu (I think it's dmenu) to know about it. I was wondering if there's a conventionl place.
[14:05] <xheimlich> I think I asked a bad question. Please keep calm and carry on.
[14:06] <Sven_vB> do the dmenu docs say where it looks? from the name, maybe it might even scan /usr/share/applications/.
[14:06] <xheimlich> I'm not even sure it's dmenu. I thought there was a quick standard place so it was quicker this way.
[14:06] <xheimlich> Wasn't a good questiion, apologies.
[14:07] <Sven_vB> no problem. just to clarify for onlookers, dmenu seems to only read menu items from stdin.
[14:08] <xheimlich> I'm in the middle of a workday ad can't go on a wild goose chase. I'm sorry again for wasting your time.
[14:09] <xheimlich> working from home sucks. Normally I would go to my boss's office whenever and if he wasn't busy we'd talk. Now we have to schedule zoom sessions.
[14:10] <th0r> xheimlich, I put my scripts in ~/bin so I can edit without su and then link them in /usr/local/bin so they are in the path
[14:10] <xheimlich> Like the method was that he had glass walls and was on the way to the coffee machine. Now I have to ready some stuff for the schedule mini meeting instead of just passing him by when it's done.
[14:11] <xheimlich> th0r: this is great!
[14:11] <Heebie> Hello.  /window 1
[14:11] <xheimlich> is there a channel where I can keep bitching about working from home? haha
[14:12] <Sven_vB> th0r, xheimlich, be aware that whether you can edit them is purely about file permissions, and can apply to almost any path outside your home directory just as well.
[14:12] <Heebie> I'm having an issue with sudo.  If a user (not root) specifies another user it works as expected, but adding a specified group to that user causes a password propmt, and it fails after that, because the password isn't accepted.
[14:12] <Heebie> Anyone seen this kind of thing before?
[14:12] <Sven_vB> xheimlich, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:12] <xheimlich> Sven_vB: yeah. But I usually have a sublime text window to my home folder
[14:13] <xheimlich> I have to quit IRC, I get chatty.
[14:13] <xheimlich> Thanks everyone. May life give you the futures of your choice.
[14:13] <Sven_vB> Heebie, anything in /var/log/{sys,auth.}log about it?
[14:15] <Heebie> Sven_vB: Sadly, no. in this case it's only logged into elastic... and elastic drops anything that doesn't come from the application running on the box. :/
[14:15] <FunkyELF> Hi, just installed 20.04 ... It asked to hook up accounts, so I hooked it up to Google.  It wanted access to GMail, Google Drive, etc.  So... I hooked it up, now, what can I do in GMail?
[14:16] <Sven_vB> Heebie, in that case I'd optimize my logging first. poking in the dark is not a good way to debug.
[14:16] <platz> I chose to use LVM a few years ago. Is the general consensus on LVM good, bad, or ymmv?
[14:16] <Heebie> platz: ymmv, really.  It can be very useful.
[14:16] <Sven_vB> Heebie, also auth log might contain security related important messgaes, so they should be handled in a sensible way.
[14:16] <platz> i see, thanks
[14:17] <Sven_vB> platz, I like LVM so far.
[14:17] <platz> i've been doing ok with it.  they seem to have removed the lvm gui tools
[14:18] <platz> but that's not too bad
[14:18] <Heebie> There were lvm gui tools?  =D
[14:18] <Sven_vB> maybe they're just in another repo now
[14:18] <platz> https://www.howtogeek.com/127246/linux-sysadmin-how-to-manage-lvms-with-a-gui/
[14:19] <platz> but i think gparted can do some of it now
[14:19] <Sven_vB> really? that would be nice
[14:20] <platz> it depends what you're trying to do
[14:21] <platz> i found when you are moving/changing things around in gparted, it's smart enough to issue lvm commands so as to not break things, but it all happens in the background.  you can't manage lvm directly from there
[14:26] <FunkyELF> I set up gnome to use Google for e-mail.  Yet, when I click on a mailto: link in web browser it tries to open up Thunderbird.  What is this Gnome / GMail integration?
[14:27] <Sven_vB> FunkyELF, what happens when you run, in a shell, xdg-open mailto:hi@example.net?
[14:28] <FunkyELF> Sven_vB, Thunderbird wants me to setup a Unix Mailspool account
[14:29] <Sven_vB> FunkyELF, when you quit TB and run xdg-email, will it start TB again
[14:29] <Sven_vB> ?
[14:29] <leftyfb> FunkyELF: sudo apt install gnome-gmail
[14:29] <FunkyELF> Sven_vB, correct
[14:30] <leftyfb> FunkyELF: installing the gnome-gmail package will allow you to set gmail as your default mail "application"
[14:30] <Sven_vB> Gnome should probably suggest to install gnome-gmail when you configure it for gmail. I'd see if there's a bug already, and file it if not.
[14:31] <three> just purge thunderbird its behind the times. i feel like no one uses mail clients anymore anyway
[14:31] <FunkyELF> leftyfb, I'm confused... under Online Accounts, I see Google.  When I click it, it has "Use for Mail" selected.
[14:31] <leftyfb> three: lets try to keep to good suggestions
[14:32] <three> purging thunderbird if you arent going to use it is a good suggestion
[14:32] <leftyfb> FunkyELF: trust me, install gnome-gmail , then go to the "default applications" settings and set gmail as your default email client
[14:32] <itsme5n> hi anybody there??
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> itsme5n: 1315 users are
[14:33] <leftyfb> three: except nothing you said helps FunkyELF, nor is suggesting "no one uses mail clients anymore anyway" helpful in any way, or accurate
[14:33] <Thaurwylth> Because this is a logged channel you can also check the most recent log and see if there is any talk recorded there.
[14:34] <FunkyELF> thanks leftyfb Sven_vB ... I think it's working now.  I was just confused why Gnome needed access to my GMail account to "read, compose, send, delete" my email if all it's going to do is just open a web browser.
[14:34] <itsme5n> I am not able to see my wlp2s0 in ifconfig in virtual box
[14:35] <itsme5n> how to get wireless adapter in virtualbox?
[14:35] <leftyfb> itsme5n: you need to pass through your wireless adapter to your guest VM. That should be in the Virtualbox documentation. Mind you, when you do that, the host will no longer be able to use that wifi adapter
[14:35] <Sven_vB> three, for your reality check, I know about 20 people who do use mail clients.
[14:36] <three> sorry i wasnt suggesting it as a "solution to his problem" it was just a suggestion based on my personal preference (which i believe is a fair position)
[14:36] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: 21
[14:36] <three> but do they use thunderbird is the real question
[14:36] <leftyfb> three: I do
[14:36] <leftyfb> I have 7 accounts on it
[14:36] <three> do you have it like themed or anything i just cant stand its default, well everything
[14:37] <leftyfb> three: no, it works just fine the way it is
[14:37] <itsme5n> how to enable it
[14:37] <itsme5n> I did in network enabled bridged and selected my wireless device
[14:38] <three> maybe i should give it another chance now that i actually use my email more often but a couple years ago i used it for a bit and just didnt like it very much and it just doesnt make sense to me as a solution for the majority of people when there are easy to use concise web based email clients everywhere
[14:38] <leftyfb> itsme5n: you'll need to seek support/documentation from Oracle/Virtualbox/google. Virtualbox is not a package supported here as it's not part of Ubuntu
[14:39] <leftyfb> itsme5n: it's not something you setup in Ubuntu. It's setup in Virtualbox
[14:39] <Sven_vB> while I do agree that TB is a pain, and have been demonstrated by some of the devs that it's my own fault for having put myself in the role of being one of their victims, I still haven't managed to migrate away. :( however at least 6 of the people I know use mail clients, do use TB and are somewhat ok with it.
[14:39] <itsme5n> give me web link
[14:39] <three> wasnt try to be abrasive sorry if i came off that way
[14:39] <three> are you on ubuntu itsme5n?
[14:40] <leftyfb> itsme5n: my quick googling tells me you cannot pass through a wireless chipset to your VB guest. Only if it's a usb adapter, then you pass through the usb adapter.
[14:41] <three> also why do you need a wireless updater inside your vm if you are using a network bridge?
[14:42] <three> if you are bridging your host machines wireless card to a vm the vm with see it as a wired connection i believe
[14:42] <Sven_vB> maybe to scan the APs around for geoposition
[14:42] <Sven_vB> or even hostap
[14:42] <oerheks> three, +1
[14:45] <itsme5n> yes that's problem to me
[14:45] <itsme5n> I am unable to put my wireless card into monitor mode
[14:45] <three> do you have a eth0 type adapter when you run ip link
[14:45] <leftyfb> itsme5n: you cannot pass though a wifi adapter connected via pci to your VirtualBox guest
[14:45] <three> ^
[14:46] <three> what goal are you trying to achieve with this? just connecting to the internet or something else?
[14:47] <itsme5n> something else but y virtual box show wlan0 instead of only eth0
[14:48] <three> im having trouble understanding to be honest with you. Does ip link show both wlan0 and eth0 or just one or what. you havent given us any actual facts to go off of to help you
[14:49] <FunkyELF> Man this whole thing seems nuts.  I installed gnome-gmail.  I already gave Gnome access to do everything in my Google account, but now when I try to click on a mailto: link Google is now asking that dsteele@gmail.com has access to my Gmail
[14:49] <three> you havent told us what you're trying to do all you said is your wireless card doesnt work and youre using VB. you havent even told us if youre using ubuntu
[14:50] <leftyfb> three: I don't think English is their first language. I do not think they meant to say wlan0 was showing up in their Vbox guest, because that isn't possible unless it's a usb adapter and they passed it through, which doesn't sound likely
[14:50] <FunkyELF> ... like, not an official Gnome account, or something, this looks like his personal email.
[14:50] <oerheks> wifi in monitor mode, the dapter and driver must be suitable, host problem
[14:51] <itsme5n> no I am using arch
[14:52] <itsme5n> but in any distro problem is same
[14:52] <oerheks> ohhh, no, ubuntu works fine.
[14:52] <oerheks> good luck with your arch!
[14:52] <leftyfb> itsme5n: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Please seek support from Arch/Virtualbox
[14:52] <oerheks> or windows, if that is the host ...
[14:52] <itsme5n> what u mean in ubuntu u are able to get wlan in virtualbox??
[14:53] <itsme5n> have u tried it ?
[14:53] <leftyfb> itsme5n: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Please seek support from Arch/Virtualbox
[14:53] <oerheks> check the ubuntu wiki, it should work. on unbunt.
[14:53] <three> to be fair they told him to leave the arch channel cause hes not using stock arch
[14:53] <itsme5n> can u give me web link
[14:54] <itsme5n> arch group dint have Solutions to my question
[14:54] <oerheks> itsme5n, no, sure you can find it.
[14:54] <leftyfb> itsme5n: good luck
[14:55] <three> itsme5n im still not even sure i understand what your issue is so its very hard to make a suggestion
[14:56] <leftyfb> three: they're not running Ubuntu. Feel free to take the discussion elsewhere.
[14:57] <three> fair enough itsme5n dm me if you want any suggestions i feel bad everyone has shot you down
[14:59] <three> so what's everyone's favorite 20.04 flavor?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | three
[15:02] <three> geez was just trying to fill the void a bit in here
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> three: no need to fill voids here, we try to divide discussions from actual ubuntu support
[15:03] <oerheks> three, no need, to sit back and relax
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> three: its pretty easy: type /join #ubuntu-discuss and you can talk about flavours 24/7
[15:04] <three> lotuspsychje i was just being a smarta** i understand lol. im just bored at work and havent seen many questions yet. ill quit the smarta**ing though
[15:05] <kieto> Hi all! I was wondering if anybody knows if Ubuntu 20.04 LTS supports fingerprint login (I'm on a Lenovo L13 laptop, fresh Ubuntu install)
[15:06] <three> whats the desktop environment and display manager you using?
[15:06] <three> just the default gnome?
[15:06] <kieto> three: yes
[15:07] <three> im not a gnome user but isnt there a part of the settings for fingerprints built in
[15:08] <oerheks> kieto, yes, check out https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui  for your device, list continues on https://fprint.freedesktop.org/support
[15:09] <oerheks> most devices work, without internal encryption from device to system..
[15:09] <oerheks> ( work in progress )
[15:09] <three> top of that page says "Fingerprint GUI is no longer maintained and is not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04 and newer"
[15:09] <kieto> oerheks: it says "Fingerprint GUI is no longer maintained and is not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04 and newer"
[15:09] <kieto> three:  yes XD
[15:10] <oerheks> it gives a focal package now, and three is right, it is build in.
[15:10] <three> it looks like its in settings under users
[15:10] <oerheks> just showing the list of devices, to shorten your search.
[15:11] <kieto> oerheks: yes, it seems that my device is not listed
[15:11] <kieto> so I guess I'll have to wait, thanks for the help! :)
[15:11] <oerheks> yw
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> kieto: help yourself and the community and file a !bug ?
[15:13] <kieto> lotuspsychje: well, it's not really a bug, is it? Just not supported atm
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> kieto: well if something is not working by default, i would consider it as a bug on ubuntu
[15:15] <kieto> I mean, I'm happy to help developers to support this device, but I don't know if a bug is the best way
[15:16] <oerheks> kieto, without demand, there will be no team picking it up( who own your device to work with)
[15:17] <oerheks> that is why some printers are not supported too, no demand ( read not enough printers sold )
[15:17] <kieto> so where should I file the bug?
[15:17] <oerheks> !bug
[15:17] <kieto> oerheks: thx
[15:17] <oerheks> fingerprint + that 8 digit device ID
[15:22] <kieto> oerheks:  that's it? I did it and nothing showed up
[15:35] <goddard> any way to not have snaps show up
[15:35] <goddard> lsblk
[15:35] <goddard> and other programs
[15:35] <goddard> its annoying
[15:35] <goddard> loop0    7:0    0  27.1M  1 loop /snap/snapd/7264
[15:37] <leftyfb> goddard: lsblk -e7
[15:37] <leftyfb> goddard: man pages are great for this sort of thing
[15:39] <goddard> thanks
[15:41] <leftyfb> goddard: you could also do something like: lsblk -I 253,259
[15:46] <hggdh> goddard: or even lsblk | grep -v loop
[15:47] <hggdh> goddard: or better, lsblk | grep -v /snap/
[15:47] <ioria> or lsblk -e7
[15:47] <goddard> haha
[15:55] <leftyfb> ioria: I already said that :)
[15:55] <ioria> leftyfb, yeah (i saw that )
[15:59] <terrex> Question. Ehy is not an entry for 20.04LTS in the file https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts ? I think its lack prevents my 18.04 LTS do-release-upgrade to 20.04 LTS with prompt=lts in release-upgrades file.
[16:00] <terrex> thanks.
[16:00] <xvifr> Hi, I'm trying to execute some firewall scripts I had on 18.04 into the new Ubuntu Server 20.04, but ebtables is behaving strange. dpkg -l says that the installed version is 2.0.11, but ebtables -V return 1.8.4. In U18.04 both commands returned 2.0.10
[16:05] <xvifr> Fixed... iptables packages also installs ebtables binary (with version 1.8.4). The old ebtables is called ebtables-legacy
[16:11] <bezt> Anyone have an idea _which_ model of Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 7 is certified pre-install? https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201904-26993
[16:14] <three> lenovo support would probably be better suited to answer that
[16:17] <kenwoodfox> Its maybe a little offtopic but is it bad to leave the tape in the tape drive after use? (LTO-3)
[16:30] <ducasse> kenwoodfox: maybe better to ask in ##hardware
[16:30] <kenwoodfox> Sure thing, thank you ducasse
[16:30] <ducasse> kenwoodfox: but i wouldn't think so, other than accidentally overwriting it
[16:31] <kenwoodfox> the host software checks the tape before writing, its the dust that worries me
[16:31] <kenwoodfox> I dont like the idea of the tape just being left there in the drive not moving
[16:32] <kenwoodfox> especially if i have 5 days between backup jobs
[16:34] <kenwoodfox> https://youtu.be/xm06GixEW48
[16:36] <oerheks> kenwoodfox, thanks, but please no youtube urls
[16:37] <oerheks> !ot
[16:37] <kenwoodfox> Sorry :c
[16:55] <rangergord> I don't want to seem negative, but I just tried Ubuntu 20.04, as well as CentOS 8. What differences remain between Ubuntu and CentOS, other than package manager and package names, and the fact that ubuntu doesn't auto-hide the left activities by default?
[16:58] <ThinkT510> rangergord: the support timeframes, the installer
[16:58] <three> I mean they are developed by different people and are different projects. In general terms the difference is the software that comes preinstalled the most obvious example of that is that the package managers are different
[16:59] <rangergord> idk, seems like the actual every day experience is the same now, now that the UI is identical
[17:00] <three> well theres a lot more to each distro than the ui
[17:00] <three> but yes the ui is similar though you could install whatever ui you wanted on either
[17:02] <three> if your asking if they are different in terms of general operating than no they both run the linux kernal (probably the same one but idk) and they probably share a good amount of software between the two so yes they are similar but you could make that argument about any of the linux distros
[17:04] <ThinkT510> rangergord: also keep in mind which version of the kernel they use and which patches they apply, but as you say they are more under the hood differences that the average user won't notice but significant from a support perspective
[17:06] <rangergord> just not sure what Canonical's endgame is. If the product is indistinguishable from the main competition to the end-user, what makes Ubuntu Ubuntu? CentOS has long-term support just like Ubuntu does.
[17:07] <three> thinkT510 is right i mean take for instance xfce its pretty much the same on any distro but that doesnt stop xfce users from distrohopping. and yeah support plays a major role in selecting the distro thats right for you
[17:07] <rangergord> I know this observation applies to all distros
[17:07] <rangergord> but SOMETHING made Ubuntu the leading desktop distro
[17:07] <three> mainly ubuntus claim to fame is 1: the different flavors that are easy to install 2: the amount of support the ubuntu community has
[17:08] <rangergord> are there any numbers as to what % of Ubuntu users are on classic, and what % on the flavors?
[17:08] <three> pretty much any problem you could have on ubuntu can be found online which is part of why its so popular. thats not to say redhat and centos dont have huge communities too ubuntus is just very large and generally helpful
[17:09] <three> thats a good question honestly
[17:09] <three> i feel like a lot of people use gnome and kde and mate and maybe throw xfce in there
[17:09] <oerheks> there is no way to get those stats.. nor downloads, updates ...
[17:09] <three> but if i had to guess those 3 would probably be the most popular
[17:10] <oerheks> even wikipedia os/browser stats are just an indication
[17:10] <rangergord> Kubuntu doesnt share download/install stats with Canonical? That seems rude
[17:10] <three> really? isnt it designed by canonical
[17:10] <oerheks> no, there aer so many mirrors, open and private..
[17:11] <b1ackandwh1te> xfce isnt the most beautiful, but is pretty slim, memory economic, i like it.
[17:11] <oerheks> and distrowatch is just a bot-infected stats site.. but nice for package details
[17:11] <three> distrowatch is hot garbage
[17:11] <three> xfce is fantastic in my opinion
[17:11] <three> you can make it beautiful
[17:15] <rangergord> I'm a KDE fan. Stays familiar enough.
[17:19] <gehn> anyone seeing issues with .53 kernel on 19.10 with nvidia proprietary drivers?
[17:19] <gehn> I'm getting a `pk-client-error-quark` error
[17:19] <gehn> I tried purge and autoremove as suggested here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1175563/nvidia-435-broken-packages
[17:20] <gehn> .52 seems to be fine
[17:20] <gehn> er... is it .51? the other next lower version seems fine, I think
[17:21] <gehn> so, how do I either A) fix the current kernel or B) rollback to the previous kernel and prevent upgrades from upgrading the kernel?
[17:23] <ioria> gehn, i guess it's a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1768050
[17:26] <Epx998>  After installing bionic, I noticed my resolf.cong points to 127.0.0.53 with the options edns, is that new in bionic?
[17:28] <gehn> output of `dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia` is empty, i.e. no matches
[17:28] <gehn> ioria, also that page doesn't seem to mention the pk-client error I'm seeing
[17:30] <ioria> gehn, true, i was looking at the errors in the  page you linked
[17:30] <gehn> ioria, but the bug tracker is a good idea, I found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1878946
[17:30] <gehn> which looks more like what I'm hitting
[17:31] <gehn> I'm on 19.10, that's for Kubuntu 20.04, which I was literally about to try installing just to see if things are fixed, so... good thing I didn't do that yet :)
[17:35] <ioria> gehn, maybe you can paste for the channel the full error log you got
[17:37] <gehn> only problem with that is the "Additional Drivers" tab of "Software & Updates" doesn't show a terminal or logs
[17:39] <ioria> i see gehn  maybe it's the same here ? : >  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1878587
[17:40] <ioria> gehn, and i suggest to debug with the command line, in this cases
[17:41] <gehn> so what's the proper command line way to do what "Additional Drivers" does?
[17:42] <ioria> gehn,  sudo apt install nvidia-driver-xxx   (almost)
[17:43] <ioria> gehn,  you can simulate the install :   'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx'
[17:43] <gehn> I've read somewhere that apt-get is more reliable than apt
[17:43] <gehn> which one should I use here?
[17:44] <ioria> i don't think that's the point
[17:45] <ioria> gehn,  check with 'ubuntu-drivers list'   what versions you have available
[17:45] <ioria> gehn,  then run    'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx'
[17:47] <BigMeatyMike> hello kids
[17:47] <BigMeatyMike> what is your opinion on the yo mama youtube channel
[17:48] <coconut> BigMeatyMike, this is not a channel for chatting about these things
[17:48] <BigMeatyMike> ok cool,i will stop now
[17:49] <shinobi_> I am following the instructions in the following article, but desktop sharing is inactive and not editable. Why?   https://linuxconfig.org/remote-desktop-sharing-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa
[17:51] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9KMSvwqh3s/ and https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RzmfX9KDbw/
[17:52] <gehn> I had tried command line install and noticed it was complaining about nvidia-dkms not being installed
[17:52] <gehn> so I tried installing just dkms, that's the output of the apt-get install command, and subsequently the log file it references
[17:53] <gehn> looks like some headers aren't being generated by autotools?
[17:53] <gehn> or I wonder if maybe they're supposed to be pre-generated but were not included in the generic package?
[17:54] <ioria> gehn,  i suggest to purge all *nvidia pkgs, and paste     'apt -s install nvidia-driver-xxx'
[17:54] <gehn> what command should I use to ensure all nvidia packages are purged?
[17:54] <gehn> command or commands I guess
[17:56] <ioria> gehn, you check them with 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia'   ; then   apt purge  nvidia-driver-xxx  ; then apt autoremove --purge
[17:59] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jf6h6ypHMb/
[18:00] <ioria> gehn, looks fine
[18:03] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[18:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> 18.04 handles secure boot fine
[18:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> i'm running 18.04 on a dell xps 2020 preloaded with ubuntu and it's using secure boot
[18:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> but im not using a nvidia card and if you do, intalling secure boot will require some work with the nvidia driver i think
[18:04] <gehn> ioria, so then what do I do now
[18:04] <gehn> that was a simulation, right? not the actual build
[18:05] <GR1M0R4CL3> i am not a simulation ! i am a free man !
[18:05] <ioria> gehn, yes,   sudo apt install  nvidia-driver-435
[18:08] <gehn> ioria, same dkms related error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FN45d7Smrf/
[18:09] <gehn> crash log file is same as I already posted a few minutes ago
[18:11] <ioria> gehn,  ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:12] <swensson> Hey guys, just installed the latest desktop version 20. something, The displays show without problem on a 24" monitor, but when connecting to the tv it shows nothing.... Terminal works and when I logon and the GUI / desktop starts the tv looses signal. Anyone know what could be cuasing this?
[18:13] <kieto> Preferred IRC client for ubuntu? I'm using konversation but it doesn't have a dark mode
[18:13] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bMQcMxQhBM/
[18:14] <gehn> kieto, hexchat or weechat are a couple of other decent linux clients
[18:14] <kieto> gehn: thx
[18:14] <gehn> part of whether konversation "has a dark mode" should just be up to your theme though
[18:14] <gehn> like are you running a dark theme in KDE?
[18:15] <gehn> that and then you should be able to change e.g. text background color to swap it to dark after installing a KDE dark theme
[18:15] <ioria> gehn,  sudo updatedb && locate uvm8_va_block.c
[18:15] <kieto> gehn: oh, that's true! I come from Arch, I'm not used to these easy configs XD
[18:16] <gehn> ioria, /usr/src/nvidia-435.21/nvidia-uvm/uvm8_va_block.c and /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/435.21/build/nvidia-uvm/uvm8_va_block.c
[18:16] <ioria> gehn,  cat /usr/src/nvidia-435.21/nvidia-uvm/uvm8_va_block.c   | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:18] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Bg8DT2Dvz/
[18:19] <gehn> this is a 1080ti fwiw
[18:20] <ioria> gehn,  in that file, at geginning, before  #include "uvm_linux.h"         add this line  : #include <linux/sched/task_stack.h>
[18:20] <ioria> *beginning
[18:21] <gehn> done
[18:21] <ioria> gehn,   paste again  cat /usr/src/nvidia-435.21/nvidia-uvm/uvm8_va_block.c   | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:21] <liddle_peter> Howdy! :)
[18:22] <liddle_peter> I am struggling with my first USB EFI installation, anybody with GRUB - EFI - wisdom present? :)
[18:25] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SjN2R2SSwr/
[18:27] <ioria> gehn, yes,   sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver-435
[18:27] <gehn> ioria, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nvidia-driver-435 is broken or not fully installed
[18:30] <ioria> gehn, sudo apt --fix-broken install
[18:31] <Spoon> Is there a way to redirect standard in and out to a unix socket?
[18:32] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/grBNHTTZSP/
[18:33] <ioria> gehn,   dpkg -l | grep linux-    | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <gehn> ioria, make.log output looks about the same btw https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pm6kmSGjYb/
[18:34] <gehn> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4gm54CzgmT/
[18:39] <ioria> gehn,  your gcc version is default 4:9.2.1-3.1ubuntu1 ?
[18:41] <gehn> oh sh*t... I may or may not have used update-alternatives to set my default compiler to clang :P
[18:41] <gehn> let me undo that and try again
[18:42] <ioria> brb
[18:42] <gehn> ok, now I have
[18:42] <gehn> cc (Ubuntu 9.2.1-9ubuntu2) 9.2.1 20191008
[18:42] <gehn> c++ (Ubuntu 9.2.1-9ubuntu2) 9.2.1 20191008
[18:45] <gehn> also brb, rebooting to see if this fixed the issue
[18:47] <gehn> ioria, ok that appears to be the problem: I had changed default cc and c++ to point to clang instead of gcc using update-alternatives
[18:48] <gehn> which sucks because if I can't use that, that was like the most convenient way to glue together my conan and cmake builds to use clang without having to mess around with extra config params
[18:48] <gehn> ioria, anyway, that's for your patience and persistence
[18:49] <gehn> I feel like something should change to not rely on cc/c++ given that they can be changed
[18:49] <gehn> I mean, something should change in the build or how the package is created, but dunno who's responsibility that is
[18:49] <Delemas> Did Ubuntu 20.04 drop i386 support? A freerdp build is depending on cowdancer and that seems to have stopped building as i386. I'm trying to figure out why...
[18:50] <gehn> otherwise what's the point of update-alternatives if I can't use it
[18:52] <three> yeah 20.04 doesnt stopped 32 bit support anymore
[18:52] <three> sorry i had a stroke while typing that
[18:52] <three> but yeah no more i386
[18:53] <gehn> interesting, does that break steam?
[18:53] <gehn> I thought steam still depended on some i386 libs
[18:53] <three> good question i havent tried. i believe it does rely on some libs which is why the newest version of macos has problems with steam
[18:54] <Delemas> That breaks a huge amount of systems. It's hard to believe they wouldn't realize that...
[18:55] <three> how so delemas?
[18:56] <Delemas> three, they apparently must have back peddled on this again: https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts
[18:56] <akik> Delemas: ubuntu 18.04 has some flavors that have the 32-bit installer isos
[18:56] <three> a quick google search shows that libnvidia-gl-440:i386 package apparently contains the 32bit libraries for steam but dont quote me it was just like the third result on google
[18:57] <three> akik yes but 20.04 and forward will not have 32 bit support
[18:58] <ioria> gehn,  so that was the problem ? glad you solved it
[18:58] <three> delemas i mean from that post you sent it seems pretty clear that they plan on including support for 32 bit software in the 64 bit version
[18:59] <gehn> ioria, yeah it appears so, and it makes sense
[18:59] <ioria> yep
[18:59] <gehn> ABI compatibility being what it is and all
[18:59] <gehn> still, I should be able to use update-alternatives without breaking the system IMO
[19:00] <abtm_> quick question, I have just loaded xubuntu on my precision 7530 and everything seems to be working fine out of the box except..... my bluetooth headset seems to be locked to A2DP which means the built in mic is not functional
[19:02] <Delemas> That thread says one thing but I'm finding they are being very selective causing other build failures...
[19:03] <gehn> RIP ubuntu
[19:03] <gehn> at least probably for the next major release cycle or so
[19:04] <StatelessCat> Hi
[19:04] <StatelessCat> Where I can found an objective and reliable article comparing Ubuntu and Manjaro according different usage scenarios?
[19:05] <three> just try them both out
[19:05] <three> probably easier than finding an article
[19:06] <oerheks> StatelessCat, go find one on the internet, this is ubuntu technical support, thanks.
[19:06] <StatelessCat> oerheks: ok thanks
[19:15] <`mist> hey guys, i'm running ubuntu server 18 lts and i'm having dns resolution issues. so i figured i'd change the dns to another one that is working
[19:16] <`mist> however to do that google tells me i should install resolvconf. Something i can't do when i can't resolve repo ip's
[19:16] <`mist> so, bit of a catch 22, any other way of doing this?
[19:21] <oerheks> mist what controls the network? netplan?
[19:21] <three> you can download .deb files from ubuntus website and install them with dpkg
[19:21] <oerheks> that is no solution
[19:22] <three> im just saying its not a catch 22 you can install .debs
[19:22] <`mist> ok i solved it in a VERY VERY strange way
[19:22] <`mist> so the root of the problem is that i run docker with pihole in it and use that as a dns for the host (yeah stupid idea i realise now)
[19:22] <`mist> the problem was that the pihole docker couldn't start because there was some issues with a nvidia runtime
[19:23] <`mist> i couldn't fix the nvidia runtime because, hey, dns issues
[19:23] <`mist> so what i did was add a manual entry of nvidia.github.io to my /etc/hosts file, ran the apt install command to fix my nvidia runtime issue, started pihole and VOILA
[19:23] <`mist> it's now working
[19:23] <sarnold> just drop 8.8.8.8 or 9.9.9.9 into your /etc/resolv.conf until you get it sorted out?
[19:24] <`mist> that file can't be edited in my ubuntu 18, it says i can't write to it for some odd reason (yes i was trying as root)
[19:24] <`mist> something something linked file. so i tried writing to the origin of the hardlink but no go there either
[19:25] <oerheks> docker issue
[19:44] <nucc1> is there a way to choose what kernel will run at next boot for a headless machine that doesn't involve editing grub files?
[19:44] <ioria> nucc1, grub-reboot ?
[19:46] <nucc1> ioria: hey, sounds like it, lemme workout how to use it :)
[19:47] <ioria> nucc1, e.g. sudo grub-reboot "1>3"
[19:48] <nucc1> ioria: , my grub menu list is a bit long. do the numbers start from 0 or 1?
[19:48] <ioria> from 0, i guess
[19:49] <ioria> 1 is usually Advanced Options
[19:56] <eelstrebor> nope. still can't get my printer to work on ubuntu 20.04.
[19:56] <EtherMan> Anyone that could help me with sysbench in 20.04. It seems some changes to commands have changed because the way all the guides I'm finding doesn't match up with how it works in 20.04. Like --test=oltp is no longer valid and you have to specify --test=oltp_insert instead. But, I can't find how to specify what before was --oltp-tables-count and --oltp-table-size :/
[19:56] <nucc1> ioria: the headless machine is my router :)..
[19:56] <nucc1> i must have done somethign bad with the grub-reboot cos now i can't get back into ssh :)
[19:56] <nucc1> i need to go and search for a VGA cable and hook up a keyboard and monitor.
[20:00] <deadrom> hi
[20:00] <deadrom> added third screen to 18.04. Wacom does not work anymore. not distorted mapping or so, simply does not move at all
[20:01] <deadrom> any pointers? (haha, pointers)
[20:02] <deadrom> wait...moves after replug.
[20:03] <eelstrebor> tried the tarball and after sucessful configure,make,make install i get this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qzK5gPdt9C/
[20:05] <deadrom> eelstrebor: sudo ldconfig comes to mind
[20:08] <gordonjcp> hello
[20:09] <gordonjcp> if I've installed a snap package, how do I actually use the thing it's installed?
[20:09] <gordonjcp> in this case, net-snmp is a snap package, but it doesn't seem to install anywhere sane
[20:09] <Jordan_U> nucc1: grub-reboot will only work if you have set GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub (and re-run update-grub after doing so).
[20:10] <Jordan_U> nucc1: Without that, grub-reboot will simply have no effect at all.
[20:12] <eelstrebor> i guess i should roll back to 18.04. i don't want to spending so much time fixing what should be plug-n-play
[20:16] <_aladar_> oi
[20:16] <oerheks> gordonjcp, i think you need to find a guide like https://kifarunix.com/install-and-configure-snmp-ubuntu-18-04-and-centos-7/
[20:17] <oerheks> http://www.net-snmp.org/wiki/index.php/Net-Snmp_on_Ubuntu
[20:18] <sarnold> gordonjcp: the quick way to get the new programs on your PATH is to log out and log in again
[20:19] <gordonjcp> sarnold: really?
[20:19] <gordonjcp> oerheks: I know how to use snmp, I don't know how to use snap
[20:19] <gordonjcp> sarnold: seriously, if you install a snap package you have to completely log out, losing all state, and log back in again
[20:19] <sarnold> gordonjcp: yeah; you can of course just run 'login gordonjcp' in a specific shell and then use snap things in that shell, but that gets a bit tiresome
[20:20] <gordonjcp> that's the stupidest thing I've ever herad
[20:20] <gordonjcp> *heard
[20:20] <oerheks> in this case, it is not a gui program
[20:20] <sarnold> gordonjcp: just the first time you install snap
[20:20] <gordonjcp> oerheks: I know it's not a GUI program, I'm not sure why that's relevant
[20:20] <sarnold> gordonjcp: once PATH includes /snap/bin/ then you don't need to do the logout/login thing again
[20:20] <gordonjcp> sarnold: oh, so only when you install the snap infrastructure, not individual snap packages?
[20:21] <gordonjcp> that's not so bad I guess
[20:22] <sarnold> gordonjcp: yeah .. it's still inconvenient, but not as catastrophically bad :)
[20:23] <Oddbxll> Ubuntu MATE is my favorite
[20:23] <gordonjcp> sarnold: I don't think I'd ever have found that, if you hadn't told me
[20:23] <sarnold> gordonjcp: yeah :( it's not particularly friendly..
[20:24] <gordonjcp> sarnold: I guess my use case is weird because I almost never log out or reboot
[20:24] <gordonjcp> so basically it's like a semiworking version of Haiku's package manager? :-D
[20:26] <sarnold> gordonjcp: awwwww man. I really wanted to try out beos back in the day..
[20:27] <nucc1> Jordan_U , i think the grub-reboot worked, but it's hard to pick the correct kernel to boot. It's close and yet so far. anyway, I just removed most of the other kernels and left only the one i wanted to boot so that's good now :)
[20:33] <oerheks> nucc1, have fun!
[20:34] <Skaface82> hi, since I upgraded to ubuntu server 20.04, nginx is crashing every day with the following message
[20:34] <Skaface82> [121895.620074] nginx[119541]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f098a643593 sp 00007ffea5c52570 error 4 in libperl.so.5.30.0[7f098a5db000+166000]
[20:34] <Skaface82> where do I start in diagnosing this problem?
[20:35] <gordonjcp> sarnold: I have Beos r5 install media, real bought-and-paid-for
[20:35] <gordonjcp> sarnold: also real-bought-and-paid-for Windows 3.1 install disks, about two dozen 1.44MB floppies
[20:35] <gordonjcp> Skaface82: libperl is generally pretty stable
[20:35] <sarnold> gordonjcp: any os/2? :)
[20:36] <gordonjcp> sarnold: mmmmaybe
[20:36] <sarnold> Skaface82: any mariadb or libmysqlclient?
[20:36] <gordonjcp> might still have OS/2 Warp that I snagged when I worked for IBM
[20:36] <sarnold> gordonjcp: I'm also very sad I never tried that out. :( it looked awesome. :(
[20:36] <gordonjcp> Skaface82: can you tie the crashes into anything particular that you're doing?
[20:37] <Skaface82> gordonjcp: no, it happened at 3am today
[20:37] <gordonjcp> Skaface82: segfaults are very much a "shouldn't happen" thing which would either point to very unsanitised input hitting the server, or failing hardware
[20:54] <sublim20> hey all.  im running a machine with lubuntu on a really small drive, and am running out of space.  a while ago i installed wine, and enabled 32bit packages with the command, sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386.  how would one go about removing wine, and all the 32 bit packages?  an apt purge of wine, will remove wine, but how does one remove '32 bit' packages installed?
[20:56] <sublim20> there seems to be conflicting information on which command to run to remove the 32 bit packages, so any help is appreciated.
[20:56] <sublim20> (would ask in #wine, but thats apparently invite only)
[20:57] <oerheks> removing i386 .. sudo apt-get remove `dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | awk '{print $1}'` ###  i think you better do a fresh install https://askubuntu.com/questions/113301/how-to-remove-all-i386-packages-from-ubuntu-64bit
[20:57] <oerheks> or dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[20:58] <Skaface82> gordonjcp: thanks for your help, it seems to have happened when certbot updated, ill look into it further from here myself
[21:00] <sublim20> oerheks, thanks for the response.
[21:01] <sublim20> that url you posted was the exact page opened in firefox.  a fresh install is planned, but just need the space asap.
[21:02] <Jordan_U> sublim20: You might even be lucky enough that after removing wine "sudo apt autoremove" will remove all of the 32 bit dependencies that wine brought in.
[21:03] <bluejaypop> how are you fixing the problem on some hangs: i915 0000:00:02.0: Resetting rcs0 for hang on rcs0  ? I see i need to add the patch for i915 and then recompile the kernel, right ? are you having already built any kernel? even if is unofficial.
[21:03] <sublim20> Jordan_U, hopefully that's the case.  to purge all of wine, it should just be, sudo apt purge wine    ?
[21:04] <akem> bluejaypop, I built kernel 5.5.9 no patch, and the problem is gone.
[21:05] <bluejaypop> akem, i see that, let me try
[21:05] <akem> But there is maybe a better ubuntu way to deal around this problem.
[21:06] <bluejaypop> i'm not sure, I haven't heard or see any update for that kernel version.
[21:17] <sublim20> this is weird.  which wine, returns a found response, but sudo apt purge wine says, no wine package found.  what the heck?
[21:18] <sarnold> Skaface82: ls -l `which wine`
[21:18] <oerheks> mayb it is wine as snap..
[21:22] <sublim20> sarnold, ls -l 'which wine' -> ls: cannot access 'which wine': No such file or directory
[21:24] <oerheks> snap list wine
[21:27] <sublim20> found it, it was winehq-stable
[21:27] <sarnold> sublim20: note backticks, `` not apostrophes ;;
[21:27] <sarnold> sigh
[21:27] <sarnold> sublim20: note backticks, `` not apostrophes ''
[21:28] <sublim20> sarnold, *hangs head in shame*
[21:40] <brutser> hi all! if i want to start something at boot in 20.04, do i use rc.local or crontab? sorry for maybe newbie question..
[21:40] <sarnold> brutser: best is to write your own systemd unit file
[21:41] <sarnold> brutser: then you can enable it or disable it with systemctl enable or systemctl disable; you could set dependencies; you can check journalctl for output, etc
[21:41] <brutser> sarnold: ah ok, would that be hard? i got a ruby script that needs to run even if server reboots
[21:42] <brutser> so it's just a ruby call to the script and yes the script has output
[21:42] <sarnold> brutser: it's a bit annoying to write one, but the benefits are imho worth the trouble
[21:42] <brutser> ok, can you point me to some tutorial on that? i have zero experience with it
[21:43] <brutser> also do you know it can be done with just a ruby script call?
[21:45] <brutser> right now i just have a bash file that starts the ruby script with the config parameter set and then dumps the output to some log file
[21:45]  * eelstrebor is rolling back to 18.04 after a rest
[21:45] <brutser> i guess that will work too if called from rc.local or crontab
[21:46] <sarnold> brutser: yes, it would work from rc.local or crontab, too, but crontab starts programs with a different PATH etc than usual, so if you go that route, be sure to use explicit paths to everything in your script..
[21:46] <brutser> it's a one liner, so not so hard to check on that
[21:46] <sarnold> brutser: there's no fantastic little guide on writing systemd unit files -- this is a good introduction but doesn't have enough examples https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/understanding-systemd-units-and-unit-files
[21:47] <brutser> i will save that read, but i guess first i want to see if i can get it started with crontab
[21:47] <sarnold> brutser: this is a bit old but a nicer, gentler, guide to setting up a service file http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html
[21:47] <brutser> i just do a crontab -e ?
[21:49] <brutser> sarnold: do i need to put the one-liner in a bash script, or can i put the line into crontab?
[21:49] <sarnold> brutser: you can probably fit the one liner into the crontab
[21:49] <brutser> ruby /path/script.rb --config /path/config --db /path/db > /path/log &
[21:50] <brutser> that's basically it
[21:50] <brutser> would i just add that like this?
[21:51] <sarnold> probably you need it to be /usr/bin/ruby instead of just ruby
[21:51] <brutser> ok
[21:52] <brutser> and i need to set it in crontab so it runs at boot right?
[21:52] <sarnold> yes, that's a simple @reboot
[21:52] <sarnold> it is a bit annoying that cron makes it an easy one-liner to run something at boot, but systemd is around ten lines for *anything* ..
[21:53] <brutser> yes and it's just for this little ruby script, you can understand why i hesitate to try this with systemd now
[21:53] <brutser> maybe i will later on and once you know how that works, i guess it's easy to duplicate
[21:54] <brutser> let me first see if crontab worked
[21:54] <brutser> rebooting<
[21:55] <brutser> sarnold: yep, running the script
[21:55] <brutser> well at least i got what i wanted
[21:55] <brutser> systemd will be for later <
[21:55] <brutser> thanks for helping me !
[21:56] <sarnold> brutser: excellent, have fun :D