[00:04] <Roey> hello.  How do I diagnose why I suddenly lost sound in Firefox, after playing Skyrim on Steam Proton?  I can hear sounds when I use mp and mpv, just not in my existing Firefox instance (youtube, specifically)
[00:06] <sarnold> Roey: try running pavucontrol, that's usually enough to spot the problem
[00:06] <Roey> sarnold: so I did; it's set to the Bose soundlink
[00:07] <Roey> let me see if moving it to my headphones/builtinwould work
[00:09] <Roey> sarnold: nope, Fx is still not putting out sound
[00:09] <Roey> maybe if I restarted it.
[00:12] <Roey> sarnold: hrm, same issue
[00:12] <Roey> I sitll can't hear sound from Youtube on Firefox.
[00:13] <sarnold> Roey: firefox has some way to mute tabs -- does a new window or new tab show the same issue?
[00:13] <Roey> they're not muted, I checked the tabs too
[00:17] <hyskaru> Roey, check the pulseaudio volume control center
[00:18] <Roey> hyskaru: I did, there's nothin gmuted
[00:18] <Roey> and it's all set to the bose soundlink speaker
[00:18] <Roey> I think it's a Firefox thing? but I don' tknow for sure/
[00:18] <Roey> ?
[00:18] <hyskaru> When you play an audio in firefox you can see firefox in the first tab of pulseaudio
[00:19] <Roey> since no sound comes out when I switch Firefox's output from the bose speaker to the built-in speaker/headphones
[00:19] <Roey> yes
[00:19] <Roey> hyskaru: yes I do
[00:19] <Skaface82> i think if you change inputs, firefox might still try to keep playing on the previous output, ive had similar issues.. restarting firefox fixed it
[00:19] <Skaface82> outputs i meant
[00:19] <Roey> hmm for some reason I can't set the volume level of it though
[00:19] <Roey> Skaface82: ah, I see.. in my case it didn't
[00:21] <Skaface82> can you see the audio output indicator pulsing in the audio mixer?
[00:21] <Skaface82> the level indicator
[00:24] <Roey> ah
[00:24] <Roey> good point, one moment.
[00:25] <Roey> ok with mpv: yes
[00:25] <Roey> (and I can hear audio with mpv)
[00:26] <Roey> oh
[00:26] <Roey> Skaface82: apparently it was mute.
[00:26] <Roey> muted*
[00:26] <Skaface82> :D
[00:26] <Roey> Skaface82: darnit, I coudln't tell whether this was muted or not!
[00:26] <Roey> argh
[00:26] <Roey> the button is not clear.
[00:27] <Roey> though I did see "silence" when I played the Youtube clip, instead of a dancing bar
[00:27] <Skaface82> at least you solved the problem :P
[00:27] <Roey> sarnold, hyskaru, Skaface82: thank you so much :)
[00:27] <Roey> Skaface82: :)
[00:27] <Roey> till the next dumb problem! :)
[00:28] <hyskaru> Roey, nice :)
[00:29] <Roey> :D
[00:30] <sarnold> Roey: woo! nice :)
[00:50] <DigitalisAkujin_> Anyone on WSL with PHP 7.4+ having issues after dist-upgrade?
[00:56] <[rg]> trying to use gcc-go, is the doc package not provided with it?
[00:56] <analogical> exit
[00:57] <sarnold> [rg]: this? gccgo-doc - Documentation for the GNU Go compiler
[01:13] <sud0x> Hi everyone, I have an intel nuc device with ubuntu installed. Power went out recently and I came back to it on emergency/maintenance mode. I'm really lost as I'm not sure what to do at this point and for some odd reason GRUB is showing up and showing an OS that is not installed so I can't boot into anything.
[01:14] <sud0x> Just stuck on the maintenance mode terminal, would REALLY appreciate any help to fix this guys. I'm out of ideas
[01:15] <leftyfb> sud0x: boot to a live usb drive, run fsck on the filesystem(s) on the NUC and them chroot to the filesystem and run grun-install on it
[01:15] <sud0x> The biggest flag I'm seeing is a timeout for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-xxx\xxxxx.device. Also seeing dependency fails for /boot/efi, local file systems, clean up mess left by 0dns-0up
[01:16] <sud0x> ok leftyfb on it!
[01:16] <leftyfb> ugh
[01:16] <leftyfb> grub-install*
[01:19] <sud0x> leftyfb i can't read anything on my screen when i boot into the usb drive. looks like the. graphics driver is messed up or something. Any idea how to easily fix this?
[01:19] <sarnold> sud0x: how did storage on the nuc work? was that nvme? sata? does lspci or lsblk show the storage?
[01:19] <sud0x> if not ill. try my best to read thru it
[01:19] <sud0x> sarnold sata sir
[01:19] <leftyfb> sud0x: CTRL+ALT+F2
[01:19] <goddard> do we have a group we can add to our user account to avoid having to run some programs as root if it has a userspace usb driver?
[01:21] <sarnold> goddard: it depends on the device; some of my usb devices have device nodes with root:dialout owner:group
[01:22] <sarnold> goddard: you can probably also use udev to add acls for a llogged in user, or group, etc, when a device is discovered (sorry to say I don't know off-hand how to actually do this)
[01:22] <goddard> ya udev seems the easiest method i know
[01:23] <sud0x> leftyfb I don't see the file system when I use the mount cmd
[01:23] <sud0x> trying to find it to use fsck against it
[01:24] <sarnold> sud0x: lsblk?
[01:25] <sud0x> ok that showed me sda1 and sda2. sda2 is taking up the most space so I'm going to guess it's that one
[01:25] <sud0x> so now just fsck /dev/sda2 right?
[01:28] <leftyfb> sud0x: yes
[01:28] <sud0x> ok done, it shows clean
[01:28] <sud0x> what do you mean by chroot the file system?
[01:29] <sud0x> leftyfb
[01:29] <leftyfb> sud0x: sudo chroot -y -f /dev/sdaX
[01:29] <leftyfb> run that on all of the partitions
[01:29] <sud0x> yes sir
[01:30] <leftyfb> sud0x: https://bartsimons.me/ubuntu-linux-chroot-guide/
[01:31] <sud0x> thanks! Will read
[01:31] <sud0x> -y doesn't seem to be a valid option, investigating
[01:32] <leftyfb> uh
[01:32] <leftyfb> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/fsck.8.html
[01:33] <sud0x> wait did you want me to do -y -f with fsck or chroot?
[01:33] <leftyfb> fsck
[01:33] <sud0x> roger that
[01:33] <leftyfb> on all of the partitions
[01:35] <sud0x> done. found a dirty bit due to not properly being unmounted and it fixed it
[01:38] <sud0x> so after reading thru a bit of the link leftyfb seems like chroot is to change the root directory of a mounted fs. I only have one OS/file system. are we going to be changing something back or making sure its booting up to the proper one?
[01:39] <leftyfb> sud0x: no, it's to chroot into the filesystem like you had booted into it. That way you can make changes to it without booting into it
[01:39] <leftyfb> sud0x: in this case, we are making sure grub is installed properly
[01:40] <sud0x> that's the thing, there isn't a need for grub. I'm not even sure why it's showing. up since I only have 1 OS
[01:40] <leftyfb> sud0x: every OS needs a boot loader of some sort. Linux is typically grub
[01:40] <sud0x> oh.  ok,  thought grub was only used for dual booting purposes
[01:44] <sud0x> leftyfb should I mount the partition then chroot it?
[01:50] <leftyfb> sud0x: please read through the instructions
[01:50] <sud0x> ok I'm chroot'd into the filesystem. what should I be looking for to know if grub is properly installed leftyfb
[01:50] <leftyfb> sud0x: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[01:52] <goddard> sarnold: this is how you reload rules in 20.04 ? sudo udevadm control --reload-rules
[01:52] <sud0x> wait, i used chroot <filesystem> bash. So I have bash on the file system in question. Am I to run that within that environment? just want to be sure leftyfb
[01:54] <leftyfb> sud0x: would you like help?
[01:54] <sud0x> yes please
[01:54] <leftyfb> sud0x: ok, you were given instructions. Please follow them. Nowhere in those instructions does it mention bash
[01:56] <sud0x> I'm sorry, I see you mentioned chroot to the filesystem. I'm guessing that's chroot <mount point of filesystem>. Just want to be sure I'm doing right, don't want to break anything
[01:57] <leftyfb> sud0x: you need to carefully read through the link I sent you. It explains in detail not only what to run by why.
[01:59] <leftyfb> sud0x: there's also this https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition
[01:59] <leftyfb> make sure to get the efi partition in there according to that one
[02:02] <[rg]> thanks sarnold
[02:08] <sud0x> leftyfb just finished following the chroot instructions, going on to grub now
[02:08] <leftyfb> sud0x: is efi mounted?
[02:09] <sud0x> i followed the instructions to a tee
[02:09] <sud0x> mounted efi to the boot subfolder
[02:09] <leftyfb>  /mnt/boot/efi
[02:09] <leftyfb> not just boot
[02:10] <sud0x> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/server/boot
[02:10] <sud0x> didn't know i had to mount it before hand under /mnt/boot/efi
[02:10] <leftyfb>  /mnt/server/boot/efi/
[02:11] <sud0x> oh disregard, i see you're talking about grub now
[02:11] <leftyfb> huh?
[02:11] <leftyfb> you need to mount your efi partition before chrooting
[02:12] <leftyfb> this is all to re-install grub
[02:12] <sud0x> got it
[02:14] <sud0x> I did followed those instructions as well, just rebooted the device and I'm still prsented with a Grub screen showing an OS i don't have, booted back into maintenance mode
[02:15] <leftyfb> showing an OS you don't have?
[02:16] <sud0x> yeah
[02:16] <sud0x> taking pictures
[02:18] <sud0x> Here are the pics of the device booting up
[02:18] <sud0x> https://ibb.co/C6hh8rhhttps://ibb.co/jyML58zhttps://ibb.co/rb6ZJYm
[02:18] <sud0x> 1. https://ibb.co/C6hh8rh
[02:18] <sud0x> 2. https://ibb.co/jyML58z
[02:18] <sud0x> 3. https://ibb.co/rb6ZJYm
[02:19] <sud0x> it shows Kali Linux, I only have Ubuntu installed on this device
[02:20] <leftyfb> did you ever have kali installed?
[02:22] <sud0x> Hmm, now that I think of it yes but we wiped it and installed ubuntu after
[02:22] <leftyfb> sud0x: you obviously didn't wipe it properly
[02:23] <sud0x> I thought I did, i selected erase entire disk when i installed ubuntu and I never had grub pop up after 10+ restarts of the nuc
[02:23] <sud0x> everything worked fine till the power went out and now im here
[02:23] <leftyfb> sud0x: is there a flash drive with kali left plugged in somewhere?
[02:23] <sud0x> no sir
[02:23] <leftyfb> sud0x: I think your fastest solution is going to be reinstalling ubuntu
[02:24] <sud0x> that's what I'm leaning towards as well. Going to pull the data we have off the device and reinstall
[02:24] <sud0x> any idea what could've happened?
[02:25] <leftyfb> I'm not sure
[02:29] <sud0x> leftyfb appreciate your help sir
[02:39] <ZorroT> fresh u server install on thinkcentre m73 -- install went fine, but on restart, no network (enet). anyone want to walk an idiot through debugging?
[02:49] <Bashing-om> ZorroT: What release did you install. Are we looking for netplan ?
[02:50] <Bashing-om> !netplan | ZorroT
[03:23] <rastan> so when i boot with my monitor connected to my rtx, i get artifacts and weird stuff, and its basically unusable. when i boot with vega graphics its fine, but then all the options to use proprietary drivers on the rtx are grayed out and trying to install drivers downloaded from nvidia fails. got bios set to hybrid graphics, but i feel like ubuntu is just refusing to acknowledge the nvidia card
[03:23] <rastan> since theres no monitor connected to it
[03:31] <rastan> great...sounds good
[04:29] <fastfresh> How to hide mounted volume in nautilus?
[04:32] <fastfresh> lxd mounts it's storage at boot time, and it shows in nautilus as a volume named "default"
[04:51] <n-iCe> guys, might be a weird question, but, any good solution to make a usb bootable with Win 10?
[04:59] <Gudddu> G'day All. how are you today?
[04:59] <Gudddu> I have a 1 TB HDD on which I will install nothing but Ubuntu
[04:59] <Gudddu> how shall i partition it?
[04:59] <Gudddu> I am thinking 16 GB SWAP
[04:59] <Gudddu> 50GB /
[04:59] <Gudddu> And 50GB Each for /var /tmp and /home
[04:59] <Gudddu> Is that ok?
[05:00] <n-iCe> sorry got dc, is there a way to create a win 10 bootable usb from ubuntu? thakns
[05:02] <aeplus> 16GB swap?
[05:02] <aeplus> why not use a swap file instead of dedicating a whole partition?
[05:02] <Gudddu> aeplus, Yes. I have 8 GB RAM. So double of it is fine?
[05:02] <Gudddu> aeplus, How do i use a swap file? Will it ask me during install?
[05:02] <aeplus> ... that way you can scale as needed
[05:03] <Gudddu> aeplus, So only / and /home and a couple of other mount points for my data is fine?
[05:03] <aeplus> it will not ask you, you basically create a partition for / and /boot
[05:04] <Gudddu> aeplus, So where does the swap file reside and Upto what size it grows?
[05:04] <aeplus> once your system is installed, you can create a file within the / partition
[05:04] <Gudddu> aeplus, This laptop will be used by a not tech savvy person. So i need to leave it to a good working machine.
[05:04] <aeplus> that file can be as big as you want your swap to be
[05:05] <Gudddu> aeplus, Also how much should be the size of /boot and /?
[05:05] <aeplus> yeah, i still recommend not making a dedicated swap partition
[05:06] <aeplus> i usually go for aroound 300-500MB for boot, but I can see 1GB for /boot if people don't remove their old kernels
[05:07] <aeplus> for /, I maximize the whole drive
[05:07] <aeplus> aside from what's allocated for /boot
[05:07] <Gudddu> aeplus, I also see a Dropdown optioon rleated to BIOS and another that says EFI. DO i need to use those?
[05:08] <Gudddu> aeplus, So ext4 fs mounted on /boot is 1024 MB is what i will select
[05:08] <mogad0n> so my https://i.imgur.com/ykeQlsb.png shows that my syslog is being huge .. my system is barely a week old .. i did tail syslog and it shows all the stuff thats UFW BLOCK . I actually ran out of disk space yesterday because my log files were 30+GB. Im on Ubuntu 20.04
[05:09] <mogad0n> i panic deleted syslog.1 but now i know to empty them instead or something
[05:09] <mogad0n> can someone help me with whats going on
[05:09] <mogad0n> so that i can prevent this
[05:09] <aeplus> mogad0n, do you really look at the ufw logs?
[05:10] <mogad0n> nope i will disable it
[05:10] <mogad0n> but why is it like this by default
[05:10] <mogad0n> it seems unintuitive
[05:10] <aeplus> they other solution would be to have logrotate actually rotate it out
[05:11] <mogad0n> i will disable the logging but is that all it ufw logged it to death?
[05:11] <mogad0n> should i provide more info
[05:12] <aeplus> Gudddu, Dell set up my laptop to have about 32GB of swap, I guess because I have 16GB of RAM... I currently use 378MB of swap
[05:12] <mogad0n> yep it's still logging like crazy
[05:12] <mogad0n> i guess thats the only issue
[05:12] <Gudddu> aeplus, In the dropdown where it asks for where to install boot loader, should i select the /boot paritition?
[05:13] <aeplus> yeah, i'd disable logging for ufw, it doesn't make sense to log when people fail to connect
[05:13] <Gudddu> aeplus, But they set it up as a separate paritioon or as a swap file?
[05:13] <mogad0n> thanks .. i just wanted to confirm
[05:14] <aeplus> Gudddu, yes. it is a factory installation... my first big laptop purchase, kind of scared to upgrade to 20.04 because i might miss out on that oem experience
[05:14] <Gudddu> aeplus, OEM experience is overrated though :-) Play with it i would say
[05:14] <aeplus> Gudddu, i wanted to do full disk encryption, but creating a file container to act as an encrypted partition for /home will have to do for now
[05:16] <aeplus> mogad0n, I do recommend disabling logging for ufw, but of course minimizing the exposed ports and continue logging the services on those ports
[05:16] <mogad0n> noted ..
[05:20] <Sasara> what makes ubuntu a better software distribution than debian ?
[05:23] <aeplus> sasara, i just installed Debian 10.4 for my Mini 9... Debian still support 32-bit i686?
[05:23] <Sasara> generally, yes
[05:23] <aeplus> i mean, it's better for me, because it supports 32-bit i686
[05:24] <Sasara> as well as a bunch of secret architectures (honestly i prefer rpi, no real reason)
[05:35] <dw1> on ubuntu 18.04 i have a static wired IP set up in the Network Manager gui that works fine. i want to add a secondary IP for a local virtualhost, but adding it to the existing profile under the main ip doesn't add the ip to the system. why not?
[05:43] <dw1> ok its working.. sudo nmcli con up "Wired" may have helped
[06:15] <gordonjcp> Skaface82: right, depending on what you're doing if certbot has updated the certificates but they haven't been re-read then you may have problems
[06:15] <gordonjcp> Skaface82: I find that when I update my certs I need to reload nginx so it rereads them
[06:18] <Skaface82> gordonjcp: ah nice to hear this, my (trial) fix is to change my update script so that it shuts down nginx, and then run the standalone certificate update method
[06:18] <Skaface82> instead of using nginx for the cert update
[06:23] <tomreyn> my cron job just does this: echo "Running dehydrated at `date`" >>/var/log/dehydrated.log 2>&1; /usr/bin/dehydrated --cleanup >>/var/log/dehydrated.log 2>&1; /usr/bin/dehydrated --cron >>/var/log/dehydrated.log 2>&1; /bin/systemctl restart nginx >>/var/log/dehydrated.log 2>&1
[06:23] <Gudddu> Just nsta
[06:23] <tomreyn> no error handling there, very dumb.
[06:23] <Gudddu> Installed Ubuntu 20 on a laptop that had Windows earlier
[06:23] <Gudddu> The first hour of using it ha snot been so impressive somehow
[06:24] <Gudddu> I am copying 80 GB of data from a disk to another
[06:24] <Gudddu> And it has come down to its knees
[06:24] <Gudddu> Chrome does not open
[06:24] <Gudddu> Firefox does not open
[06:24] <Gudddu> Opened after like 6 minutes or so
[06:25] <Gudddu> The response is lagging
[06:27]  * jackhum anyone else facing this problem of high CPU usage by firefox 76.0.1 with ubuntu 20.04 ?
[06:27] <BobbyJr> I was less than impressed with the performance of a clean Ubuntu 20 install in a VM. Ended up switching to Manjaro.
[06:29] <Gudddu> BobbyJr, how has your experience been with Manjaro?
[06:29] <Gudddu> Are most programs easily available?
[06:30] <gordonjcp> Gudddu: surely that's more of an IO issue than anything else
[06:30] <BobbyJr> Guduu: Honestly, very impressed so far. Im running Manjaro Gnome here. And yes software is easily available, you have access to the Manjaro repos, as well as the AUR and Snap/Flatpak repos
[06:30] <gordonjcp> Gudddu: what kind of disks are you using?
[06:31] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, A simple HDD
[06:31] <Gudddu> Copying from a External HDD to my Ubuntu disk
[06:32] <gordonjcp> Gudddu: okay, SSD?  Conventional?
[06:32] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, Conventional
[06:32] <gordonjcp> that's always going to be slow, and USB is a bit of a pain in the backside
[06:32] <gordonjcp> are you using disk encryption?
[06:32] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, Agree. But wasn't expecting it to be slow to this extent.
[06:33] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, No disk encryption.
[06:33] <gordonjcp> That does sound a bit odd, shouldn't be that bad
[06:33] <gordonjcp> if you have a very slow disk in the machine you're copying onto, it'll get severely IO-bound
[06:35] <acresearch> people, ubuntu got updated on my system to the new 20.04 os, but now none of my python packages work since they require python 2.7,,, i tried to downoad the old 18.04 but i could not find it,   where can i find it?
[06:35] <dedowsdi> exit
[06:38] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, According to nmon, the disk I am reading from is 70% busy and the Ubuntu Disk is 30% busy
[06:39] <Gudddu> acresearch, You could also use virtual environment and use the python version of your choice.
[06:39] <gordonjcp> acresearch: I hate to be That Guy, but you need to update your packages to 3
[06:40] <gordonjcp> acresearch: 2.7 is now ten years old, and is no longer maintained
[06:40] <acresearch> gordonjcp: i can't   i do not own them,    some packages are very large like CCTBX and badly maintained (still on python 2.7)   but they are only code the perform a very spesific task
[06:41] <gordonjcp> acresearch: well, they won't work any more
[06:41] <acresearch> gordonjcp: they don't but i cannot update 2 million code libraries    check it   1 moment
[06:41] <acresearch> https://github.com/cctbx/cctbx_project/tree/master/iotbx
[06:42] <acresearch> sorry it is this: https://github.com/cctbx/cctbx_project/
[06:42] <acresearch> it is easier to just downgrade so i can get my work done
[06:42] <acresearch> i do not like downgrasing because the code that I maintain are all python 3
[06:42] <gordonjcp> acresearch: you ought to be able to install "python2" and get the last 2.7
[06:43] <gordonjcp> but frankly if that's the only thing that'll do the job you're better upgrading the libraries to 3
[06:43] <acresearch> gordonjcp: i did, but for some reason it crashes
[06:43] <gordonjcp> well, the reason will be in the error message
[06:44] <gordonjcp> https://docs.python.org/3/howto/pyporting.html
[06:44] <acresearch> gordonjcp: it is really convoluted:    for example    they installation code gives me a c++ error (i guess):    RuntimeError: Call to 'make -j 1 ' failed with exit code 2
[06:45] <gordonjcp> acresearch: that github project you pointed me at has references to py3
[06:45] <gordonjcp> acresearch: that's more to do with your build environment than anything else
[06:45] <acresearch> gordonjcp: yes, but it calls scripts with python 2     so it works for a bit then crashes
[06:45] <acresearch> gordonjcp: oh
[06:46] <gordonjcp> acresearch: make isn't even python
[06:46] <acresearch> gordonjcp: but it does not give me any indication what is should be
[06:46] <gordonjcp> and exit code 2 is a not very helpful error message, that means it failed to read the Makefile correctly, there's some sort of error in the Makefile
[06:47] <acresearch> but make works on my system
[06:47] <gordonjcp> without a lot more context it's not really possible to debug it further
[06:47] <gordonjcp> right, it would do, but you're feeding it a Makefile it can't understand
[06:47] <acresearch> gordonjcp: yeh, i have been fighting with getting it installed for 3 days now
[06:47] <gordonjcp> oop, 0745, better head into work
[06:47] <acresearch> so i think i sould just downgrade and see
[06:47] <gordonjcp> no lockdown for us key workers :-D
[06:48] <gordonjcp> acresearch: I'd suggest filing a bug on that github project
[06:48] <gordonjcp> acresearch: I notice a distinct lack of unit tests, and I think that project could be split up into modules better
[06:48] <acresearch> gordonjcp: hmmm
[06:49] <gordonjcp> acresearch: but definitely find out what is choking make at that point, maybe you need to pastebin some of the lines leading up to that error
[06:49] <acresearch> gordonjcp: ok
[06:49] <gordonjcp> and read that python 2 to python 3 doc I just linked to
[06:49] <acresearch> ok
[06:49] <gordonjcp> I'll be about in a couple of hours once I get to work
[06:49] <Gudddu> gordonjcp, Could it be the way I partitioned my HDD that I am being punished this way?
[06:49] <gordonjcp> those fire stations won't fix themselves :-)
[06:50] <gordonjcp> Gudddu: unlikely, unless you're doing something egregiously weird
[06:50] <acresearch> gordonjcp: fire stations?
[06:50] <Gudddu> I Gave 200GB to root, 300 GB to home and 250GB each to two other mount points.
[06:50] <gordonjcp> acresearch: yup, my day job
[06:50] <acresearch> noce
[06:50] <acresearch> nice
[06:51] <gordonjcp> acresearch: I look after comms for the fourth biggest fire brigade in the world
[06:51] <acresearch> wow, that is amazing
[06:51] <gordonjcp> ~8000 Cisco phones, hundreds of switches and routers, 400-odd paging transmitters, and all sorts of other nonsense
[06:51] <gordonjcp> and a team of about 12
[06:52] <gordonjcp> across the whole of Scotland, even the bits that are parking space sized rocks in the Atlantic
[06:52] <gordonjcp> and slowly, slowly, slowly, Ubuntu is leaking into their infrastructure
[06:53] <lotus|NUC> stick ontopic guys, or use #ubuntu-discuss
[07:13] <p4r4kovsky> guys hew can i get ubuntu 20 permanently map caps lock to home
[07:13] <p4r4kovsky> thank you
[07:30] <GR1M0R4CL3> you want caps lock to act as super ?
[07:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/53038/how-do-i-remap-the-caps-lock-key
[07:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> look at answer with 79 votes
[07:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> on my windows key i bought and installed a tux sticker and it's nice to use as super key ;)
[07:53] <p4r4kovsky> GR1M0R4CL3: i want it as home brother
[07:55] <TR1950X> hi. I need to run a few commands after a reboot. How do I do that on ubuntu 18.04? The commands must execute after all services are started.
[08:03] <GR1M0R4CL3> what is "home" ?
[08:03] <GR1M0R4CL3> in preferences and devices -> keyboard
[08:04] <p4r4kovsky> it's the button
[08:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can set a key for home
[08:04] <p4r4kovsky> you have it on your keyboard
[08:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can to use that to attach capslock to home ?
[08:04] <p4r4kovsky> where is it again?
[08:04] <GR1M0R4CL3> upper right, preferences
[08:05] <GR1M0R4CL3> then go to devices
[08:05] <p4r4kovsky> keyboard shortcuts right?
[08:05] <GR1M0R4CL3> and keyboard
[08:05] <GR1M0R4CL3> yup
[08:05] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can click on "home folder" and attach a key to it
[08:05] <p4r4kovsky> brother home is a button
[08:05] <p4r4kovsky> it's not a function
[08:05] <p4r4kovsky> look it up on your keyboard lol
[08:06] <GR1M0R4CL3> well my keyboard has no home button
[08:06] <GR1M0R4CL3> it's a compact keyboard for programming with letters and function row
[08:06] <p4r4kovsky> well if you google i am sure you will find out that it exist
[08:06] <GR1M0R4CL3> so you want to remap capslock to that key
[08:07] <p4r4kovsky> yes i do it with xmodmap but it resets once in a while and i have reactivate it it is very boring
[08:07] <p4r4kovsky> i want to map this motherfucker permanently
[08:07] <GR1M0R4CL3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/296155/how-can-i-remap-keyboard-keys
[08:07] <GR1M0R4CL3> this post explains how to find the key codes
[08:08] <p4r4kovsky> yeah i read all of this brother
[08:08] <GR1M0R4CL3> and how to remap one
[08:08] <GR1M0R4CL3> does this work ?
[08:08] <p4r4kovsky> it's not gonna solve it
[08:08] <p4r4kovsky> well it is a few hours of work and at the end it might not work
[08:08] <p4r4kovsky> i am looking for more elegant and simple solution
[08:08] <p4r4kovsky> ubuntu user friendly
[08:09] <p4r4kovsky> one of the solutions is maybe it is not at all that bad to just re-activate the function once in a while
[08:09] <p4r4kovsky> maybe this help keeps me alert
[08:09] <p4r4kovsky> but for example i have arch linux laptop on which it was permanently modified and it never lags
[08:09] <GR1M0R4CL3> https://paste.gnome.org/pr6gjbk6h
[08:09] <p4r4kovsky> there seems to be a Gnome issue why this happens
[08:09] <p4r4kovsky> brother what is there?
[08:10] <p4r4kovsky> yeah this approach don't work forget it
[08:36] <dan01> hi
[08:36] <dan01> I have a question about Ubuntu software repositories
[08:37] <dan01> Let's take a package in the standard repository, lets say Eclise IDE
[08:37] <dan01> Eclipse is developed by the Eclipse Foundation, I think their what you'd call upstream, am I correct?
[08:38] <dan01> Who is responsible for packaging Eclipse for Ubuntu into a binary dpkg or snap? Is it Eclipse Foundation aka the developer aka upstream or Ubuntu team?
[08:45] <GR1M0R4CL3_> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/devel/eclipse
[08:46] <GR1M0R4CL3> for this package : Ubuntu MOTU Developers (Mail Archive)
[08:55] <dan01> GR1M0R4CL3: thanks
[09:15] <acresearch> people, where can i find old ubuntu distros? like 18.04?
[09:18] <Ratel> https://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:18] <acresearch> Ratel: thanks
[09:27] <marz> How do I restart networking in Ubvuntu 18 now it's using netplan?
[09:36] <malplenegen> marz: systemctl restart networking
[09:38] <malplenegen> also, systemctl restart NetworkManager
[09:39] <marz> I tried, did not work. I have to execute netplan apply
[09:39] <marz> Btw, is it possible to trace of figure out what's causing a virtual machine running in Ubuntu 18 to shut down automatically?
[09:51] <swensson> Can't get the latest version to work, as soon as everything is loaded and the UI should load, the tv looses signal of the computer.... This is a laptop so it shouldn't be any graphic driver needed?
[11:10] <kieto> Hi! Is it possible to install R 3.x in focal fossa? I see sources for bionic/xenial/trusty/etc in                        │[kieto(Zi)] Hi! I'm trying to install R 3.X in ubuntu 20.04 focal fossa, but I don't see a source for it on https://cran.r-project.org/bin/lin, but not for fossa
[11:11] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I found that Ubuntu 20.04 offers an outdated (~ 2 yrs) version of dracut. How do I get that updated? The version used is 048, most recent release of dracut is 050.
[11:12] <zhanx> irreleph4nt, check for the ppa?
[11:13] <irreleph4nt> zhanx, I am new on Ubuntu, so would you mind to elaborate, please?
[11:15] <zhanx> ok
[11:15] <irreleph4nt> zhanx, I assume you mean this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=dracut
[11:15] <irreleph4nt> ?
[11:16] <zhanx> yes
[11:16] <ThinkT510> !latest | irreleph4nt
[11:17] <zhanx> irreleph4nt, with you being new. Its a little harder to explain etc
[11:17] <irreleph4nt> ThinkT510, I get that. But how many Ubuntu releases have happened since beginning of 2018 (release of dracut version Ubuntu currently offers). 2, 3? Time for an update, really, even if not immediately
[11:18] <zhanx> but remove with apt dracut
[11:18] <zhanx> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jonan.h/dracut <- do that
[11:18] <zhanx> and install with apt dracut
[11:18] <irreleph4nt> zhanx, ah, nice. Thank you! :)
[11:18] <zhanx> reminder you are new
[11:18] <zhanx> you break it you learn to fix it :P
[11:19] <zhanx> also look up removing ppa incase all the packages are not supported yet
[11:25] <duncan-nz> in 20.04 I've lost support for my Thinkpad USB 3.0 UltraDock. What package should i report this against?
[11:26] <irreleph4nt> zhanx, I'll keep that in mind, thank you. :)
[11:26] <irreleph4nt> Unrelated question: does ubuntu support dbus-broker as a replacement for dbus-daemon? Google yields results only for Debian
[11:27] <zhanx> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:607533 <- making that next for geardo cool for a buddy. he is gonna hate me
[11:27] <duncan-nz> there used to be a hardware diagnostic GUI tool in Ubuntu. Is there anything like that now?
[11:28] <zhanx> oops
[11:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:53] <StatelessCat> Hey boys, hey girls... :)
[12:12] <evga> Anyone else getting alot of apparmor DENIED log messages with ubuntu 20.04 while using the App store or printing ?
[12:14] <tarzeau> i'm not using the app store, nor apparmor :)
[12:14] <evga> should I disabled it ?
[12:14] <evga> disable*
[12:15] <akem> If it doesn't prevent you from using the store or printing then don't touch it.
[12:15] <evga> well I had to put cupsd into complaint mode cause I was getting crash everytime i tried to print
[12:15] <evga> now something similar is happening with the app store
[12:15] <evga> something is wrong with it
[12:16] <evga> i have no idea how this thing should work, but i think it's doing stupid checks on things i should be allowed to do
[12:16] <akem> Yeah in that case it's different ofc.
[12:17] <evga> i keep getting stuff like this.... audit: type=1400 audit(1590149239.213:9781): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.snap-store.ubuntu-software" name="/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/mime/generic-icons" pid=18158 comm="snap-store" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[12:17] <evga> like.... since when opening icons is a dangerous operation ?? lol
[12:20] <evga> every year since the last 10 years or so.. i keep giving linux a try.. hoping things would just work... and every fukin time it's always the same story :|
[12:21] <evga> why something so basic like printing has to crash multiple times and force me to disable this misterious apparmor thing ?? then wonder why normal ppl dont use linux
[12:22] <akem> I got everything working out of the box with LUbuntu on my other machine. But got things to fix/configure on regular Ubuntu, but once done it's working very well.
[12:22] <akem> Yeah that's bad indeed.
[12:24] <Pricey> evga: Are you complaining that something is broken, or that logs are saying things you don't understand?
[12:24] <evga> both
[12:24] <Pricey> evga: What's broken?
[12:24] <Pricey> Maybe we can help :)
[12:24] <evga> printing was broken until i disabled apparmor for cupsd with aa-complain command
[12:25] <evga> now i see these strange errors when i use the ubuntu store
[12:25] <Pricey> But the ubuntu store isn't broken?
[12:26] <evga> seems to work but why are there log messages about DENIED requests if things are working ? can you explain ?
[12:27] <Pricey> When I go to the supermarket I often check the doors of cars that I pass in the parking lot. They're normally locked, which is normal. No problem.
[12:27] <Pricey> I don't actually need that sock I can see on the back seat.
[12:28] <evga> mmm
[12:28] <Pricey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems#AppArmor_Protection_of_the_printing_system likely hasn't been updated in a while but is a bit sad around 3rd party drivers. Would likely be useful to see the audit log for what was denied so new rules could be proposed.
[12:29] <evga> ok forget about printing for a second, what about the snap store ?
[12:29] <evga> is it normal it produces alot of DENIED log messages while i use it ?
[12:30] <evga> cause if you say it's normal then i'll stop looking at those messages, but since I already had problems with apparmor i'm a little worried :D
[12:31] <frib> I am unable to install wine because I have held broken packages? What should I do ?
[12:45] <brutser> with security in mind is this the most accurate way to setup webdav on ubuntu and access to it? >> https://www.hiroom2.com/2018/05/05/ubuntu-1804-webdav-en/
[12:46] <sysRPL> hello, i have 2 ubuntu computers that for some reason cannot resolve any of my domain names
[12:46] <brutser> i want to create a webdav share on my vps (ubuntu server 20.04) that i can use in my ubuntu clients - but i want to be sure it's secure as it will host some files that need the security
[12:46] <sysRPL> can anyone here get to https://www.codebot.org and or https://www.getlazarus.org or do your dns resolves fail?
[12:47] <sysRPL> this pc and my mac, both on the sam lan, can resolve the domain names
[12:47] <sysRPL> this pc is linux as well
[12:47] <sysRPL> the other two ubuntu machines are 1 wired and 1 wireless
[12:48] <sysRPL> the other two ubuntu machines can resolve other domain names ... just not mine
[12:48] <Woet> sysRPL: https://www.whatsmydns.net/
[12:49] <mbeierl> sysRPL, www.getlazarus.org’s server IP address could not be found, same for codebot
[12:49] <sysRPL> Woet: that worked for my domains
[12:49] <slingamn> i'm trying to figure out the relationship between rsyslog and systemd-journald on ubuntu 20.04 --- can i just remove rsyslog?
[12:49] <sysRPL> i wonder is this is a duckdns problem
[12:50] <sysRPL> they've been flakey for a few months now
[12:50] <mbeierl> whoops - that looked like a temporary problem on my network: www.getlazarus.org is an alias for codebot-org.duckdns.org. codebot-org.duckdns.org has address 97.101.206.19
[12:50] <mbeierl> sysRPL, so it does resolve for me
[12:50] <sysRPL> that's the wrong ip address though
[12:51] <sysRPL> 97.101.206.19 wait that is okay
[12:51] <makara> I used cryptsetup open to open a disk. That resulted in /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-root and also /dev/ubuntu-mate-vg/root. What's the difference?
[12:51] <sysRPL> alright so what might be the problem with my 2 ubuntu laptops?
[12:53] <eeos> Hi everybody! I have 18.04 64 bit .... If I try to run do-release-upgrade
[12:53] <eeos> I get the message There is no development version of an LTS available.
[12:53] <eeos> How is that possible? What about 20.04?
[12:55] <zhanx> sysRPL, more like the issue is you can't think for yourself by that site. SAD
[12:55] <zhanx> i hear bleach will fix that for you
[12:56] <sysRPL> oh ty
[12:56] <sysRPL> you so smart
[12:56] <sysRPL> you like mobile designs
[12:56] <DJones> !ltsupgrade | eeos
[12:56] <zhanx> i could fix that for you but you are not so smart linking the super "smart" takes on your sites
[12:57] <sysRPL> yeah ignored
[12:57] <zhanx> of course, echo chamber it up while wanting help
[12:57]  * sysRPL ignores zhanx 
[12:59] <Ubiquity4321> Good morning
[13:00] <Ubiquity4321> I am attempting to dual-boot Ubuntu Studio 20.04 and Windows 10. I have installed both OS's, and upon booting I am not greeted with GRUB2
[13:00] <Ubiquity4321> I attempted to use the ubuntu boot repair and I have a pastebin log
[13:00] <Ubiquity4321> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DB9dx8b6jF/
[13:01] <Ubiquity4321> cuttently, I only boot to ubuntu. Secure boot and CSM are off in BIOS
[13:05] <three> are you saying it boots straight to windows?
[13:05] <three> oh sorry mis read your last message
[13:05] <three> is the windows boot manager a boot option in the bios?
[13:06] <Ubiquity4321> It currently boots straight into ubuntu without a grub menu
[13:06] <Ubiquity4321> Windows boot manager is an option, but when selected the PC reboots and boots into ubuntu
[13:07] <three> are they installed as uefi or bios?
[13:08] <three> and how did you install grub. did grub use to show up or did it never show up?
[13:08] <Ubiquity4321> UEFI, and grub has never shown
[13:08] <Ubiquity4321> I have also attempted to reinstall grub2 with no success
[13:10] <three> do you have os-prober and efibootmgr installed?
[13:10] <three> efibootmgr is the big one there
[13:10] <three> os-prober is for detecting other os installations
[13:11] <Ubiquity4321> how do I check?
[13:11] <brutser> guys, anyone here: is this the best way to setup webdav on ubuntu server 20.04: https://linuxconfig.org/webdav-server-setup-on-ubuntu-linux (or is that already outdated?)
[13:11] <three> sudo apt-get install efibootmgr if its not installed this will install it
[13:12] <Ubiquity4321> already installed
[13:12] <three> and sudo apt-get install os-prober
[13:12] <Ubiquity4321> sorry, both are already installed
[13:13] <three> oh wait did you make the grub configuration file?
[13:13] <three> check /boot/grub and see if grub.cfg exists
[13:14] <Ubiquity4321> It is there
[13:14] <Ubiquity4321> I have also previously run update-grub
[13:15] <three> still try running sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:17] <Ubiquity4321> I receive the output "adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware settings", in addition to finding linux and windows images. I receive this same output when running update-grub
[13:17] <three> after you make the config make sure you run sudo update-grub
[13:17] <Ubiquity4321> This is done
[13:18] <three> do sudo nano /etc/default/grub and find the line thats says GRUB_TIMEOUT=X it should be set to a number if its 0 that means grub wont show on boot
[13:18] <eeos> Thank you very much DJones!!!!
[13:19] <Ubiquity4321> ahh well, it IS 0
[13:19] <three> yeah try setting it to something else and updating grub then reboot
[13:19] <Ubiquity4321> i have changed it to 10
[13:19] <Ubiquity4321> I will reboot
[13:20] <Ubiquity4321> i have rebooted and did not receive the grub screen
[13:20] <Ubiquity4321> it booted straight to ubuntu studio
[13:20] <three> damn thats strange let me look into it some more
[13:20] <Ubiquity4321> let me get you a new pastebin log
[13:21] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, silly question - you did update grub, yes? :)
[13:21] <mbeierl> sudo update-grub
[13:21] <Ubiquity4321> yes
[13:21] <mbeierl> ok, just checking - ignore me, thanks
[13:21] <three> ah theres some more settings in /etc/default/grub
[13:21] <Ubiquity4321> I appreciate your assistance mbeierl
[13:21] <mbeierl> :)
[13:22] <three> is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET set to true?
[13:22] <Ubiquity4321> one moment
[13:22] <three> it should be set to false and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT should be set to any non 0 number
[13:24] <tomtiger11> Ubiquity4321: also remember to update-grub after changing the config
[13:24] <three> yes what tom said
[13:26] <Ubiquity4321> I will paste the output of my /etc/default/grub in a moment when it loads
[13:26] <Ubiquity4321> those two options are not listed currently
[13:26] <three> yeah if you can just paste it here
[13:26] <Ubiquity4321> I could add them, but i'm not sure what else is missing that *should* be there
[13:27] <Ubiquity4321> this is odd for a fresh install. Normally I don't encounter any problems :)
[13:27] <three> I imagine ubuntu has grub set to be hidden by default
[13:28] <three> I havent used it much recently so idk
[13:28] <Ubiquity4321> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RbSpytv2bH/
[13:28] <Ubiquity4321> sorry for taking so long, i forgot how to pastebin something
[13:29] <shinobi_> is ufw enabled by default in 20.04?
[13:29] <mbeierl> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden looks suspiciously like a culprit
[13:29] <three> it is
[13:30] <three> it should be not there or set to menu
[13:30] <Ubiquity4321> i have set it to "menu"
[13:30] <three> also the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" set it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[13:31] <Ubiquity4321> i have set it to "", and set the timeout style to "menu"
[13:31] <three> actually you probably dont have to do that last one but definatly change the timeout style
[13:33] <Ubiquity4321> i changed those values, ran update-grub, and rebooted. It boots straight back to ubuntu with no grub
[13:33] <Ubiquity4321> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T79YrwpjkD/
[13:33] <mbeierl> really odd.  It's almost like you're modifying the wrong grub.  Is there more than one grub?  Like on a different partition?
[13:34] <Ubiquity4321> this is a brand new hard drive and the first fresh install of windows/ubuntu
[13:34] <Ubiquity4321> how would I find it mbeierl ?
[13:35] <three> for future notice its much easier to install windows first and then select install along windows during the ubuntu install
[13:35] <Ubiquity4321> that is what I did
[13:35] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, try mount | grep boot
[13:35] <mbeierl> I have two of them
[13:36] <Ubiquity4321> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HFknBtQxnW/
[13:37] <shinobi_> Can somebody confirm if Desktop Sharing is working in 20.04?
[13:37] <three> wait
[13:37] <three> is there a folder /boot/efi/grub?
[13:37] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, and is the grub you are updating under /boot/efi/grub?
[13:38] <Ubiquity4321> I am updating the grub you guys are telling me to update
[13:38] <three> hes not modifying the grub.cfg hes modifying /etc/default/grub
[13:38] <three> but still does the dir /boot/efi/grub exist
[13:38] <mbeierl> three, fair, I'm wondering if the wrong one is being 'published'
[13:39] <mbeierl> I mean the wrong target is being written to.  I didn't mean to say 'update' directly as in vi the /boot files
[13:39] <three> yeah thats possible i wonder if update-grub defaults to /boot/grub but i feel like it shouldnt
[13:39] <Ubiquity4321> it exists. "boot-repair", "EFI", and 'System Volume Information' are listed there
[13:40] <three> does /boot/etc/grub/grub.cfg exist?
[13:40] <three> if not then run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
[13:41] <three> i meant /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
[13:41] <mbeierl> What are the dates on the two grub.cfg files: ls -al /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:41] <mbeierl> and /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
[13:41] <Ubiquity4321> "directory '/boot/efi/grub' does not exist"
[13:42] <Ubiquity4321> ahh, well, there's an issue
[13:42] <three> looks like you installed grub in the wrong place then
[13:42] <three> maybe your uefi bios isnt even loading grub
[13:42] <three> it might just be starting the kernal
[13:42] <Ubiquity4321> it installed in the default place
[13:42] <Ubiquity4321> from the ubuntu studio installer
[13:42] <Ubiquity4321> unsure
[13:43] <mbeierl> I had no end of headaches with Windows after Ubuntu to deal with this.  EUFI/EFI causes me no end of confusion.
[13:43] <Ubiquity4321> mbeierl, do you still need the dates on the files?
[13:43] <three> yeah uefi makes grub config more difficult
[13:43] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, not if the second one does not exist :)
[13:43] <Ubiquity4321> i was gonna say
[13:44] <three> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
[13:44] <three> try reinstalling with that
[13:44] <three> should obviously be ran as root
[13:45] <Ubiquity4321> successful, and I ran update-grub
[13:45] <three> and make sure you run sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
[13:45] <three> after the install
[13:46] <three> you should try rebooting after
[13:46] <Ubiquity4321> cannot create /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg directly nonexistant
[13:46] <Ubiquity4321> directory**
[13:47] <three> oh it might be sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/GRUB/grub.cfg
[13:48] <Ubiquity4321> same thing
[13:48] <three> if that one doesnt exist then it didnt install right
[13:48] <three> whats the result of ls /bot/efi
[13:48] <Ubiquity4321> no such file or directory
[13:48] <three> boot not bot
[13:49] <Ubiquity4321> lol
[13:49] <three> theres no /boot/efi?
[13:49] <Ubiquity4321> nvm, yes things live there i knew what you meant and STILL mistyped it
[13:49] <mbeierl> ls -al /boot/efi | pastebinit
[13:49] <Ubiquity4321> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vPdBqG62QR/
[13:50] <Ubiquity4321> ohhhhhhhh i see
[13:50] <three> did you run the grub install command?
[13:50] <Ubiquity4321> it's under /boot/efi/EFI/GRUB
[13:50] <mbeierl> that looks like Windows boot only
[13:51] <mbeierl> so many EFIs!
[13:51] <three> it shouldnt be
[13:51] <three> this is why i always mount at /boot not /boot/efi
[13:51] <Ubiquity4321> like I said, I just did the automatic installation. This is default
[13:52] <Ubiquity4321> so it may be a bug?
[13:52] <three> well then try running  sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/GRUB/grub.cfg
[13:52] <three> just to see if it works
[13:53] <mbeierl> I'm starting to wonder if the BIOS set EFI to the kernel, not grub, like three was saying
[13:54] <Ubiquity4321> three, it worked
[13:54] <Ubiquity4321> sorry, the command ran
[13:54] <Ubiquity4321> with no errors
[13:54] <three> yeah im pretty sure something wonky happened with your grub install when you installed the os
[13:54] <three> well see if rebooting causes the menu to show up
[13:54] <mbeierl> Is there a boot selector in the UEFI boot process?
[13:54] <Ubiquity4321> is there a simple way to gut it and start over?
[13:55] <Ubiquity4321> i am rebooting
[13:55] <Ubiquity4321> one moment
[13:55] <three> yeah i mean if you dont care about the install id recommend just wiping everything reinstall windows first and then instal ubuntt studio
[13:55] <Ubiquity4321> neither installs matter
[13:55] <Ubiquity4321> but i'll be presented with the same problem as that was the process I followed
[13:56] <three> if you install windows first ubuntu should give you an option "install alongside windows" when youre installing
[13:56] <three> itll configure grub for you basically
[13:56] <Ubiquity4321> I selected that when installing ubuntu studio
[13:56] <Ubiquity4321> and here we are
[13:57] <three> you did? oh i thought you installed ubuntu first
[13:57] <three> did grub show up this time?
[13:57] <Ubiquity4321> grub did not show up
[13:57] <mbeierl> three, that was me who installed Ubuntu first
[13:58] <Ubiquity4321> I can try and do it again for you guys. Will you be around for a little while?
[13:59] <Ubiquity4321> I'll gut the whole thing and start over. nbd
[13:59] <three> i think before re installing your os we should try reinstalling grub from scratch
[14:00] <three> well you did say the installs didnt matter
[14:00] <mbeierl> I'd like to see if there is something in the EFI BIOS that is skipping grub
[14:00] <three> i think it just doesnt see grub properly
[14:01] <three> normally grub is at /grub of the boot partition
[14:01] <three> but his is installed at /EFI/grub
[14:01] <Bliepo> I have a home theater PC, but unfortunately it keeps switching the audio output away from HDMI after it´s not been used for a while.
[14:02] <Bliepo> Is it possible to disable all outputs except HMDI, or force PA to use HDMI some way?
[14:02] <three> is it running ubuntu bliepo? do you have pulse audio installed?
[14:02] <Bliepo> Latest LTS Xubuntu and yes, PA is installed
[14:02] <three> oh you said you have pulse yeah there is a way but i forget let me look
[14:05] <Bliepo> Tbh I know very little about pulse audio or anything audio related
[14:05] <three> i dont have PA rn on this pc. so as i remember from my xfce laptop theres a tab called output and you can select the check next to an output device is that what youve been doing so far?
[14:06] <Bliepo> Actually I do it from the terminal since I don´t have a mice/keyboard connected to the PC
[14:07] <three> oh im not very familiar with PA in the command line but you can do it in the ui
[14:07] <Ubiquity4321> sorry, i stepped away for a brief moment
[14:07] <three> ubuquity i would at least reinstall ubuntu if you havent done anything to it. make sure it is booting to uefi
[14:08] <Ubiquity4321> I'll just gut the whole things and try again
[14:08] <Ubiquity4321> nbd
[14:08] <Bliepo> Ok, I´ll have a look at the UI in a bit then
[14:09] <Bliepo> Need to get me a mouse first :)
[14:09] <three> alright just make sure you can use the windows license again
[14:09] <corshmock> Hi all.  I've got a Bus 003 Device 006: ID 046d:082d Logitech, Inc. HD Pro Webcam C920, and Ubuntu Studio 20.04.  Does anyone know if there is software I need to download for this webcam?
[14:09] <three> bliepo the ui of pulse is pretty useful. if i were you id set up some sort of remote solution to you htpc
[14:10] <three> corshmock i have no idea. is it currently not working
[14:11] <corshmock> three: thanks pal, not it is working.  I'm just not sure if there is software I should download for full functionality
[14:12] <three> its probably using some generic driver if the quality of the webcam is expected and everything else is functioning alright i wouldnt worry about it
[14:13] <corshmock> three: thanks for the info mate
[14:14] <three> no problem if you run into trouble feel free to ask questions
[14:39] <kieto> how can I filter 'apt search' output to only show me packages *starting with* a specific string? e.g. 'apt search libxml2' to only show me libxml2* packages
[14:45] <ioria> kieto, yoou mean this ? apt search ^libxml2
[14:46] <kieto> ioria: yes, thanks, didn't think of that XD
[14:46] <ioria> ok
[14:47] <qwertuttyty>  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sn4Xp5Hf9j/ https://www.sendspace.com/file/n7i2u7 5.7.0-050700rc6-generic. If 5.6.7-050607-generic to mount ok no error with exfat driver. With exfat-fuse - ok
[14:48] <mr_lou> Hello
[14:48] <qwertuttyty> hello
[14:48] <mr_lou> I have a question about video drivers.
[14:49] <mr_lou> I'm running VLC on Ubuntu for days in a row, displaying a videoplaylist continuesly looping.
[14:49] <mr_lou> It's a PC Stick Intel Compute Stick STCK1A32WFC if it matters, so Intel graphics.
[14:49] <mr_lou> Ubuntu installs Intel i965 for this.
[14:50] <mr_lou> But the thing is, VLC crashes after 12-24 hours or so. VLC authors says it's the driver's fauilt.
[14:50] <mr_lou> So my question is: Do I have alternatives?
[14:50] <mr_lou> I have no idea about drivers. But I can see there's a "mesa va driver".....  will that work, or is that for another graphics card?
[14:50] <mr_lou> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/mesa-va-drivers
[14:51] <ogra> mr_lou, you could try intel-media-va-driver-non-free
[14:51] <ogra> vlc should pick that up if you pick vaapi (or vaapi-drm) in the settings
[14:53] <mr_lou> For Intel GEN8 Graphics family it says. You think that would work?
[14:53] <bitblit> how can i tell if a package is installed by default during setup?
[14:53] <mr_lou> Intel® HD Graphics for Intel Atom® Processor Z3700 Series
[14:54] <three> bitblit apt list --installed
[14:54] <bitblit> mr_lou: vlc is great but you might try mpv.
[14:55] <bitblit> mr_lou: you could also throttle the cpu to reduce heat.
[14:55] <mr_lou> bitblit, Yea, sorry. I need VLC because it's blu-ray.
[14:55] <bitblit> three: it's an old system, think it may have been removed. want to see if it's in the default install on the latest release.
[14:55] <vlt> bitblit: One possible way: install to a virtual machine and check there.
[14:56] <mr_lou> ogra, The Z3700 series is 2rd generation apparently. I don't imagine GEN8 would work, but I'll probably try it anyway.
[14:57] <three> bitblit i mean do you mind telling us what it is you are wondering about? I can probably tell you
[14:57] <bryanroderyck> hello ubuntu im having trouble to connect to wifi in 20.04 can someone hep me please?
[14:57] <n-iCe> bryanroderyck: what's the problem
[14:57] <bitblit> sure, exim4. i'm learning how to set up mail locally...
[14:58] <three> are you wondering about ubuntu server or like gnome i have a fresh gnome install in a vm i can check
[14:58] <bitblit> i think it'd probably be on any ubuntu install.
[14:58] <bitblit> but server for sure
[14:59] <Ubiquity4321> three, mbeierl i have completely reinstalled both operating systems
[14:59] <bryanroderyck> hi n-iCe ,after upgrade to 20.04 ubuntu doesnt have driver for my wifi
[14:59] <n-iCe> bryanroderyck: which is?
[14:59] <three> bryanroderyck is secureboot disabled?
[14:59] <bryanroderyck> where is the secure boot :)
[15:00] <three> in the bios
[15:00] <Ubiquity4321> three, I am not given a grub menu
[15:00] <bryanroderyck> i have enable it?
[15:00] <three> okay hold up ubiquity i can help you
[15:00] <Ubiquity4321> the directory /boot/efi/EFI still exists by default
[15:00] <three> bryan having it enabled can cause wifi driver issues
[15:01] <three> ubiquity does /boot/efi/EFI/grub exist?
[15:01] <Ubiquity4321> no
[15:01] <three> but /boot/grub does?
[15:01] <bryanroderyck> im going to chec that now
[15:01] <Ubiquity4321> three, yes
[15:02] <three> bitblit doesnt look like its included in gnome
[15:03] <bitblit> three: thx for checking
[15:03] <three> ubiquity thats so weird that its installed there by default. run "mount | grep boot"
[15:04] <Ubiquity4321> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tcTG5hjS5W/
[15:06] <three> does anyone have any other input on this. your grub should be installed at /EFI/grub of the mount point which in this case it /boot/efi so it should be at /boot/efi/EFI/grub but its not for some reason
[15:07] <qwertuttyty> 5.4 - ok
[15:07] <Ubiquity4321> three, when the computer turns on, what tells it to look in a specific spot for a grub menu?
[15:07] <Ubiquity4321> maybe it's not looking in the right place?
[15:08] <Ubiquity4321> i apologize if that's obvious i'm not a vastly experienced user
[15:10] <bryanroderyck> three sitll having issue with secure boot disable
[15:10] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, what is the manufacturer of this machine?
[15:10] <Ubiquity4321> This is a Lenovo Thinkpad T440s
[15:11] <three> well thats what im questioning to. i thought i just looked into /EFI/grub of your boot partition but ubuntu installs it at /boot/grub which would be fine if the mount point of /dev/sda1 was /boot but its not the mount point is /boot/efi
[15:12] <Ubiquity4321> secure boot is off, csm is off
[15:13] <three> bryan can you give me more info on how the wifi isnt working
[15:14] <three> im looking at a gnome installation rn and it looks like grub may just be set up differently in ubuntu
[15:14] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, hit F12 during the POST process
[15:14] <mbeierl> Like during the BIOS splash screen
[15:14] <mbeierl> I think that is what we want to check
[15:16] <Ubiquity4321> "ubuntu" "Windows Boot Manager" "GRUB" "ATA HDD0: hdd serial" "PCI LAN"
[15:16] <mbeierl> Ok, try booting from GRUB
[15:16] <Ubiquity4321> i am pushed back to the boot menu
[15:16] <mbeierl> ATA HDD0?
[15:16] <mbeierl> I think "ubuntu" is loading the kernel directly
[15:16] <Ubiquity4321> System BootOrder not found. Initializing Defaults
[15:17] <Ubiquity4321> then reboot into ubuntu
[15:17] <mbeierl> and you did the grub stuff we tried earlier again?
[15:17] <mbeierl> What happens if you select Windows?
[15:17] <Ubiquity4321> no, this is a completely 100% fresh install
[15:17] <mbeierl> Ah!
[15:18] <mbeierl> ok, so maybe try getting rid of the timeout and hidden options again
[15:18] <bryanroderyck> is there a pastebin for ubuntu i can paste images?
[15:18] <Ubiquity4321> Selecting Windows Boot manager loads windows
[15:18] <mbeierl> https://imagebin.ca/
[15:18] <mbeierl> bryanroderyck, I don't think that is an Ubuntu specific one
[15:18] <mbeierl> It's just one that I know of
[15:19] <Ubiquity4321> mbeierl, i apologize, i'm on a toaster right now and it's very difficult to scroll up to find those again. Can you reiterate where the file is and what changes need to be made?
[15:19] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, ok, so the F12 boot is a fail back option if we cannot get this to work for you
[15:19] <mbeierl> let me scroll back and check
[15:20] <Ubiquity4321> I apologize. Thank you for helping me.
[15:20] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T79YrwpjkD/
[15:20]  * eelstrebor was going to roll back his server box to 18.04 but that's too much work just to be able to print
[15:20] <mbeierl> then sudo update-grub
[15:21] <Ubiquity4321> and that's at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[15:21]  * eelstrebor is going to do a workaround and wait for 20.04 hplip to be fixed
[15:21] <GR1M0R4CL3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[15:21] <GR1M0R4CL3> we do have some doc
[15:21] <GR1M0R4CL3> there is also a whole page deidcated to using ubuntu with secure boot
[15:22] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, /etc/default/grub
[15:24] <bryanroderyck> https://imagebin.ca/v/5NPSFWzAEgR4
[15:25] <three> ubiquity did mbeier help you out sorry i got disconnected
[15:27] <Ubiquity4321> I am in the process of doing the thing
[15:27] <Ubiquity4321> one moment
[15:27] <bryanroderyck> three
[15:28] <akem> Hey, if i do: "sudo service cpufreqd stop" it will stop the service ok, but what if i want to disable it so that it does not start next reboot?
[15:29] <three> whats up bryanroderyck
[15:30] <bryanroderyck> can you hep me with my wifi
[15:30] <bryanroderyck> i doesnt have a driver
[15:30] <Ubiquity4321> three, mbeierl https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xgBsk9kjHv/ is my /etc/default/grub file
[15:30] <Ubiquity4321> i am still defaulting to ubuntu with no grub menu
[15:30] <three> akem i normally use systemd i just find the commands easier to remember, in systemd the command would be sudo systemctl disable cpufreqd
[15:31] <mr_lou> ogra, After looking into it a bit more, I can see that my graphics card is GEN7. What are the chances a GEN8 driver will work with a GEN7 card? :->
[15:31] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, and when you run the update-grub, do you see it picking up an option for Windows?
[15:31] <three> bryan do you know what kind of wifi card you have
[15:31] <Bliepo> three, using the GUI I can´t really set that much for pulseaudio? I can choose the output and set a fallback, but even so it keeps switching when I turn off the TV for a long time period
[15:31] <Ubiquity4321> mbeierl, yes
[15:31] <akem> three, Yes i just saw that on askubuntu, thanks! i'll try that.
[15:32] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, which Boot Option did you use, or did you just let it boot normally?
[15:32] <three> bliepo oh i see you want to set like a default audio device
[15:32] <Ubiquity4321> I just let it boot normally
[15:32] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, ok, let's try it again with F12 and using SATA
[15:32] <mbeierl> I mean ATA HDD
[15:33] <Bliepo> yeah, for some reason it keeps switching to the mobo audio out instead of HDMI
[15:33] <ioria> bryanroderyck, seems that it wants wl  and it's installed ( bcmwl-kernel-source); that's not the correct one ?
[15:33] <Ubiquity4321> mbeierl, system bootorder not found. initilizing defaults
[15:33] <mbeierl> and then right into Ubuntu?
[15:33] <Ubiquity4321> then pc reboots into ubuntu
[15:33]  * mbeierl is running out of ideas :(
[15:33] <three> ubiquity what are your boot options and are you even able to boot into windows
[15:34] <bryanroderyck> ioria sorry im new to ubuntu .how to change this
[15:34] <mbeierl> three, with F12 he does have Windows as an option
[15:34] <GR1M0R4CL3> does pressing arrow down show a list of options when booting ?
[15:34] <Ubiquity4321> three, "ubuntu" "Windows Boot Manager" "GRUB" "ATA HDD0: hdd serial" "PCI LAN"
[15:34] <Ubiquity4321> three, booting into windows works
[15:34] <three> bliepo this is relevant https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#Set_the_default_output_sink
[15:34] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  first we need to know your chipset :   lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:34] <mbeierl> What I don't understand is why the EFI boot manager is not appearing to load grub
[15:35] <three> ubiquity and if you boot into grub it does nothing
[15:35] <bryanroderyck> ioria, https://termbin.com/brfj
[15:35] <three> also in /etc/default/grub try setting the GRUB_TIMEOUTSTYLE to menu again and then try booting to the grub option
[15:36] <Ubiquity4321> three, booting to GRUB kicks me straight back to the F12 boot menu
[15:36] <Bliepo> three, tried that already I´m afraid
[15:36] <three> oh really???? wtf
[15:36] <Ubiquity4321> yep
[15:36] <three> i mean i can help you manually install grub if you wanna try that lol
[15:36] <Ubiquity4321> three, sure!
[15:37] <three> let me look through my ubuntu install to see some stuff
[15:37] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[15:37] <Ubiquity4321> Is it safe to assume that this is a bug of some kind that should be reported?
[15:39] <three> I honestly dont know if its a bug i would like to know if any others have gotten the grub menu to show in 20.04
[15:40] <Ubiquity4321> it's Studio 20.04 if that makes a difference
[15:40] <Bliepo> The grub menu doesn´t show?
[15:40] <three> can you pastebin your /etc/fstab
[15:41] <ogra> mr_lou, yeah. the driver might not be suitable for baytrail ... (though probably still worth trying it .. you can always "apt purge ..." again)
[15:41] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, correct
[15:41] <Bliepo> So you installed an Ubuntu flavour and then when you boot it goes straight to Ubuntu or another OS
[15:42] <Ubiquity4321> three Bliepo mbeierl https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zbp6WHHpZr/
[15:42] <three> his goes straight to ubuntu and we cant get grub to show
[15:42] <Bliepo> So since the system is booting presumably GRUB is installed and working?
[15:42] <three> and personally im having trouble understanding why grub is installed the way it is in ubuntu
[15:42] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v858qRS4Ts/
[15:42] <three> hes booting uefi though
[15:42] <three> so it might just be loading the kernel
[15:43] <three> bliepo btw hes on a fresh install
[15:43] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  uname -r  (you can paste here)
[15:44] <Bliepo> If he has any other OS installed he could try changing the default boot option and see if that changes anything
[15:44] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, secure boot and CSM are OFF in bios, fresh install of windows 10 and ubuntu studio 20.04
[15:44] <eelstrebor> vlc doesn't work properly in 20.04 either
[15:45] <bryanroderyck> iora where to paste?
[15:45] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  here (in this case, you fon't need pastebin), it's just one line
[15:45] <akik> Ubiquity4321: there's a variable in /etc/default/grub SOMETHING_HIDDEN (sorry i don't have a box here to check that). by removing the value from the key and running sudo update-grub, you'll get the grub menu
[15:45] <Bliepo> Alright, Ubiquity4321 can you open /boot/grub/grub.cfg and find the line saying Windows?
[15:45] <three> akik we've tried that
[15:46] <bryanroderyck> 5.4.0-32-generic
[15:46] <akik> three: did you also change the timeout if it was 0 ?
[15:46] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, rather, pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:46] <three> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xgBsk9kjHv/ this is his file
[15:46] <three> sorry that is his /etc/default/grub
[15:46] <ioria> bryanroderyck, 5.4.0-32-generic ?
[15:47] <Bliepo> three, if we make Windows the default boot option is /etc/default/grub we can at least verify whether UEFI is booting directly to the kernel, or whether it´s booting to GRUB
[15:48] <bryanroderyck> yes
[15:48] <Ubiquity4321> this is /boot/grub/grub.cfg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SCtrXqXbT8
[15:48] <three> bliepo thats smart
[15:48] <three> but it requires us to know what grub is calling windows
[15:48] <ioria> bryanroderyck,    apt-cache policy linux-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:49] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, can you open /etc/default/grub and change the default to this? GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sda2)"
[15:49] <Bliepo> Then run sudo update-grub
[15:49] <Bliepo> Oh
[15:49] <Bliepo> Actually
[15:49] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/2rs4
[15:49] <Bliepo> Maybe that´s not a good idea now that I think about it
[15:50] <three> oh he may get locked out
[15:50] <Bliepo> Yeah
[15:50] <three> but he could always edit the config with a live usb
[15:50] <Bliepo> Yeah, but it´s annoying
[15:50] <ioria> bryanroderyck,   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:50] <Ubiquity4321> i have edited the file, ran update-grub, and rebooted. Windows boots!
[15:50] <Bliepo> Oh
[15:50] <Bliepo> Well, live USB it is then lol
[15:51] <three> hahaha
[15:51] <Bliepo> So GRUB is working then at least
[15:51] <Bliepo> Interesting
[15:51] <three> i mean its good news that grub is working
[15:51] <three> why wont it show though its gotta be a setting in /etc/default/grub
[15:51] <Ubiquity4321> progress is progress
[15:51]  * Bliepo is gonna have another look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:52] <three> ubiquity you are going to have to boot to the live usb to get back to ubuntu i can help you with that
[15:52] <mr_lou> ogra, Yup. Thanks.
[15:53] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  when it's done, reboot and we'll reinstall again  bcmwl-kernel-source
[15:53] <Ubiquity4321> three, I am now in my ubuntu studio liveusb. bear with me a moment
[15:53] <bryanroderyck> how to instal bcwl-kernel-source
[15:54] <three> youre gonna wanna open the cli and "mount /dev/sda5 /mnt"
[15:54] <Bliepo> Actually, maybe try changing the timeout to something like 60 seconds. I have noticed that my BIOS or screen (not sure which is the culprit) needs some time before it shows the menu, so if I set it too short it *is* there but I don´t get to see it
[15:54] <three> oh well actually it may be called something other than sda5 you can do "fdisk -l" to check
[15:55] <bryanroderyck> ioria
[15:55] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, that's smart as well...hmmmm
[15:56] <Ubiquity4321> the liveusb is still loading gentleman. one moment more
[15:56] <three> oh haha no problem i thought you were in
[15:56] <mbeierl> three, was just about to say that about additional partitions
[15:56] <mbeierl> like what is in /dev/sda1
[15:56] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  please, reboot
[15:56] <oxek> How come Ctrl Alt F1...F6 no longer opens up a terminal and instead just freezes the screen?
[15:57] <bryanroderyck> ok i will
[15:57] <three> oxek what desktop environment you using?
[15:57] <Ubiquity4321> mbeierl, three, Bliepo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GbJkXqh3SG/
[15:57] <Ubiquity4321> that is fdisk -l for you
[15:57] <Ubiquity4321> it's sda5, and i'll be mounting it
[15:58] <three> yeah it is mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
[15:58] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, ok, so we know that /dev/sda2 is the right place for grub
[15:58] <Bliepo> I think I fixed the audio issue by disabling all outputs except the HDMI one :D
[15:58] <oxek> three: xfce, this is xubuntu
[15:59] <three> all you gotta do ubiquity is sudo nano /mnt/etc/default/grub and remove the entry about windows boot manager
[16:00] <Ubiquity4321> i'm also going to change the timeout to 15 to see if it's that
[16:00] <Bliepo> three, don´t forget about chrooting and running update-grub
[16:00] <three> oxek if you do ctrl+alt+f5 you dont get to a terminal. after you do that try doing ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to xfce
[16:01] <three> bliepos right "chroot /mnt" and then run "update-grub" then run "exit"
[16:01] <three> thats regarding ubuquity
[16:01] <oxek> three: yeah Ctrl Alt F5 freezes screen but Ctrl Alt F7 unfreezes it
[16:02] <Bliepo> IIRC it might give an error because you need to bind mount /dev and such
[16:02] <Ubiquity4321> cannot find device for /
[16:02] <oxek> I need to get to the actual terminals provided by linux, that are usually on Ctrl Alt F1..F6
[16:03] <three> when does it say that ubiquity?
[16:03] <Bliepo> three, shall I help Ubiquity4321 so you can focus on oxek?
[16:03] <three> Bliepo id appreciate that lol
[16:03] <Bliepo> Yeah, getting a little overrun :P
[16:04] <Bliepo> Alright Ubiquity4321, so you did chroot /mnt and then update-grub and that gives the error?
[16:04] <Ubiquity4321> yes Bliepo
[16:04] <three> oxek for future reference they are called the tty
[16:04] <Bliepo> Alright, type exit and press enter and you should exit the chroot
[16:05] <three> oxek are you able to get to the tty before you log in?
[16:06] <three> oxek also are you on real hardware or in a VM
[16:06] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, I unmounted /dev/sda5, and remounted it and tried again. I receive the same error "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /"
[16:06] <Bliepo> That is okay
[16:07] <Bliepo> Right now, in front of every line, is there a $ or a # sign?
[16:07] <Ubiquity4321> i have exited chroot
[16:07] <Ubiquity4321> $
[16:07] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, okay good, now just follow these instructions here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/145241/how-do-i-run-update-grub-from-a-livecd
[16:07] <oxek> three: real hardware
[16:07] <oxek> I'll see if I can do it when I logout
[16:07] <Bliepo> You don´t have a separate boot part. so you don´t need to worry about that
[16:08] <Bliepo> And if you have a question or issue let me know
[16:10] <glat-agent2> Your GNU/Linux copy is not genuine. Purchase a license for $99 now.
[16:10] <bryanroderyck> ioria i reboot still no networkmanager  for wifi
[16:10] <three> !op
[16:11] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  i know; uname -r
[16:11] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, i did a dumb and need to start over. bear with me a moment
[16:11] <bryanroderyck> 5.4.0-33-generic
[16:11] <Bliepo> No prob;em ubuntulog
[16:11] <Bliepo> Eh Ubiquity4321
[16:12]  * Bliepo shouldn´t tab autocomplete that carelessly
[16:12] <oxek> three: I can get in from login screen
[16:12] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  may i ask you why you're using  --proposed  ?
[16:12] <three> oxek weird that means its an issue with xfce not grub or lightdm. are you running 20.04
[16:13] <bryanroderyck> where is "--proposed"? i dont know
[16:13] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  your kernel
[16:14] <bryanroderyck> im new i dont know kernel ..but i have heard about
[16:14] <bryanroderyck> :)
[16:14] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  current is 5.4.0.31.36
[16:15] <bryanroderyck> what can be done
[16:16] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  and 5.4.0-33-generic  is in another repo and it's purpose is testing not for users
[16:16] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  that's why i asked you why  you have proposed enabled in sources.list
[16:16] <bryanroderyck> i did upgrade but did know that
[16:17] <ioria> bryanroderyck, proposed  it's not enabled  by default; you need to enable it yourself
[16:18] <bryanroderyck> sorry i did not read all ..i dont know
[16:18] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  cat /etc/apt/sources.list  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:18] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/4tld
[16:18] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, brb, max 5 min.
[16:18] <oerheks> see updates settings, tab developers options
[16:19] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, OK
[16:20] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  look almost the last line : deb http://mu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-proposed universe main restricted multiverse
[16:20] <rangergord> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04. When I open VS Code, and right-click it in the activities bar, I get the option Add To Favorites. When I open Qt Creator, I don't get that option. Why would it be different depending on the app?
[16:21] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, ok, back
[16:21] <three> oxek im going to lunch i'd suggest asking in the #xfce channel aswell
[16:21] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, wonderful. I have been able to boot back into ubuntu studio
[16:21] <bryanroderyck> ioria, why this restriction?
[16:21] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  what you mean 'restrictions' ?
[16:21] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, i still do not receive a grub menu
[16:22] <Bliepo> And you set the timeout to 60 seconds as well?
[16:22] <Ubiquity4321> yes
[16:22] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  that repo is unstable and dedicated to testing purposes
[16:22] <Bliepo> Did it take a long time before Ubuntu booted or was it like normal?
[16:22] <Ubiquity4321> normal
[16:22] <bryanroderyck> restricted multierse
[16:23] <Bliepo> Hmmmmmmmm
[16:23] <ioria> bryanroderyck, the point is not 'restricted' (it means proprietary)  but 'proposed'
[16:23] <bryanroderyck> can i change  it please?
[16:23] <Bliepo> Can you change the timeout style to menu in /etc/default/grub? See if that changes anything?
[16:23] <ioria> bryanroderyck, we can try but why is there that line ?
[16:24] <bryanroderyck> which line?
[16:24] <Bliepo> And don´t forget to run update-grub afterwards ofc
[16:24] <oerheks> disable proposed in update settings, could work.
[16:24] <ioria> bryanroderyck, http://mu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-proposed universe main restricted multiverse
[16:24] <bryanroderyck> i dont know
[16:24] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, have we tried walking you through something like this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/681422/grub-menu-not-showing-with-dual-boot-uefi-mode-installation
[16:25]  * mbeierl still thinks the EFI is not hitting grub at all
[16:25] <bryanroderyck> ioria,
[16:25] <Bliepo> mbeierl, we changed the default in /etc/default/grub to Windows and that *worked*
[16:25] <Bliepo> So it is booting to GRUB
[16:25] <mbeierl> Bliepo, OH!  Missed that one
[16:26] <Ubiquity4321> What a conundrum
[16:26] <ioria> bryanroderyck, ok, YOU have enabled proposed , so the system has installed some unstable packages ; i thought you knew that
[16:26] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, did you change the menu style?
[16:26] <bryanroderyck> i did know
[16:26] <ioria> so ?
[16:27] <bryanroderyck> did not know
[16:27] <bryanroderyck> sorry
[16:27] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, mbeierl, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9hFDQSWKFz/
[16:27] <Bliepo> No, make it GRUB_DEFAULT=0 and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="menu"
[16:28] <Ubiquity4321> i changed it, updated grub, and am rebooting
[16:29] <Bliepo> If this doesn´t work I´m pretty much out of ideas to be honest
[16:29] <Bliepo> Only thing I can think of is that maybe the menu is displaying on another monitor or such
[16:29] <Ubiquity4321> how would I check that?
[16:29] <bryanroderyck> ioria, can you help me to change that?
[16:29] <Bliepo> Well, do you have more than one screen on your system?
[16:30] <Ubiquity4321> no
[16:30] <Bliepo> Well, then that´s not it
[16:30] <Ubiquity4321> also: i booted straight back into ubuntu
[16:30] <Bliepo> :(
[16:30] <Ubiquity4321> If the F12 menu had other options, where would they be listed?
[16:31] <Ubiquity4321> My F12 menu is the BIOS boot selector
[16:31] <Bliepo> I think for most it should be on the bottom
[16:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> could be another function key at boot ?
[16:31] <ioria> bryanroderyck, do you have backups ?
[16:31] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, What I mean is, where are the entries listed and how are they edited?
[16:32] <ioria> bryanroderyck, backups are copies of your relevant files
[16:32] <bryanroderyck> i can do some on a drive?
[16:32] <ioria> bryanroderyck, sure
[16:32] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, in the BIOS I believe, but it differs depending on the brand and model exactly where
[16:33] <bryanroderyck> i dont have much wait
[16:33] <Bliepo> I believe you can edit it using a tool but I´ve never done that
[16:34] <Bliepo> Hmmm
[16:34] <Bliepo> I wonder
[16:34] <Bliepo> Ubiquity4321, are you still booted in ubuntu?
[16:34] <Ubiquity4321> yes
[16:34] <Bliepo> Alright
[16:34] <Bliepo> One sec, let me check something
[16:35] <Bliepo> Alright Ubiquity4321, can you add the following line to /etc/default/grub? GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=30
[16:36] <Bliepo> Then run sudo update-grub and reboot. And if that doesn´t work, I´m really all out of ideas.
[16:36] <mr_lou> ogra, Do you know what graphics cards the mesa-va-drivers are for?
[16:37] <ogra> software rendering and all fully opensourced ones
[16:38] <Spoon> What did Ubuntu change about Debian? Is it just a better installer and a different set of repos?
[16:39] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, okay so it took 30 seconds and then booted into ubuntu again. It appears the menu is *there* but not showing up on my screen
[16:40] <Ubiquity4321> I can press Up and Down arrows like normal grub to select other options, but it isn't displayed *what* i'm selecting
[16:40] <Ubiquity4321> does that make sense?
[16:40] <bryanroderyck> ioria, backup done
[16:40] <Bliepo> Alright, that does at least give some hint to what is going on. It means that you are victim of a ¨recordfail¨ and that there is some sort of display issue. As for how to fix it I have no idea.
[16:41] <Bliepo> Maybe somebody else can help here, but I think you may have more luck in the forums
[16:41] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  ls /var/lib/apt/lists/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:42] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/kijow
[16:44] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, i'm gonna try to comment out that recordfail line, and see if I still have the hidden menu
[16:44] <Bliepo> Alright, good luck!
[16:45] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  grep Package /var/lib/apt/lists/mu.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal-proposed* | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -l 2>/dev/null | grep ^ii |awk '{print $2}'
[16:47] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo, after commenting out the recordfail line, I still have my "hidden" menu
[16:47] <bryanroderyck> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ghcsbGFGkh/
[16:47] <Bliepo> Strange. I´m not sure what to make of that.
[16:48] <Ubiquity4321> i can select options with the up and down arrows, and boot to different OS's by guessing what line contains what I want to show. Is there a way to change the style of grub menu?
[16:48] <Bliepo> Like I said, I do not know. I never dived this deep into grub
[16:48] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  honestly, a reinstall will be easier (if you don't want unstable packages)
[16:49] <bryanroderyck> how to reinstalll all
[16:50] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: can you pastebin your /etc/default/grub
[16:50] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YHH2ZjK6gs/
[16:50] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  maybe i was not clear; atm you're running a testing release  not the official one (for users)
[16:50] <oerheks> bryanroderyck, easy; "apt-mark showmanual"  shows manual installed metapackages. save that list somewhere, and have fun
[16:51] <ioria> oerheks, almost all the core system is proposed
[16:51] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: currently you dont get a visible menu?
[16:52] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, correct
[16:52] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: did you run update-grub with 'menu' there?
[16:52] <EriC^^> with menu in the file i mean
[16:52] <oerheks> ioria, oh right, then he should make a list of what he installed, i guess
[16:53] <Ubiquity4321> Bliepo helped me figure out that the grub menu is *there* and I can move within it and even select different OS's, but it still doesn't display when I boot the computer
[16:53] <ioria> oerheks, this is the list : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ghcsbGFGkh/
[16:53] <bryanroderyck> ioria, how to make fresh install?
[16:53] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, many times
[16:54] <ioria> bryanroderyck, why don't we try ,first, to make that work  ?
[16:55] <bryanroderyck> ok
[16:55] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  dpkg -l | grep   bcmwl-kernel-source   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:56] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/88u7
[16:56] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  when did you reinstall    bcmwl-kernel-source  ? i thought i told you to purge
[16:57] <bryanroderyck> i did not purge
[16:57] <bryanroderyck> how to purge?
[16:57] <jpmh__> when I am entering long commands at the terminal in an ssh session at bash after I type the 106th character the cursor jumps back to the begiining of line even though the screen is wider.  In vim, on the same session all is OK - what is causing the bash to wrap?
[16:58] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  you did : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v858qRS4Ts/
[16:59] <bryanroderyck> yes i did purge
[16:59] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, four or five other members here have helped me test every single possible option they can think of. As a nuclear option, I even completely reinstalled fresh
[16:59] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: aha, ok, does modifying anything in /etc/default/grub make any influence on the menu? like timeout or something
[17:00] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: aha
[17:00] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, the timeout changes, and we're able to auto-boot into the Other OS. The problem is that the menu is not displaying
[17:00] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: did you try changing the resolution of grub and such stuff maybe?
[17:00] <bryanroderyck> ioria,
[17:00] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, not yet. I'm not sure how to do that
[17:00] <troozers> Hi, my system just updated the kernel 5.4.0-29 > 5.4.0-31 and when I rebooted it no longer seems to recognise my sound card.  Booting back into 5.4.0-29 and the sound card is recognised again.  looking at dmesg on 5.4.0-31 it does show a message that the device is being blacklisted.  Any ideas what is causing this?
[17:00] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: seems like something related to graphics and grub
[17:01] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[17:01] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  maybe a fresh install will be smoother
[17:01] <bryanroderyck> how to do this
[17:01] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: are you using an external monitor on your laptop or something?
[17:02] <ioria> bryanroderyck,  https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
[17:02] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, no
[17:02] <oerheks> bryanroderyck, save your data, and a reinstall would be 30 minutes, you are working on this for over an hour now..
[17:03] <bryanroderyck> ok thanks
[17:03] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: are you able to access your bios usually with same setup?
[17:03] <Ubiquity4321> EriC^^, yes i can easily access bios
[17:04] <three> man ubiquity thats so strange that its there but not displaying
[17:04] <Ubiquity4321> i'm going through a few random resolutions atm
[17:04] <Ubiquity4321> i already tried 1280x800 with no positive result. i'm gonna try 800x600
[17:05] <three> wait can someone link me your /etc/default/grub again
[17:05] <three> nvm i got it
[17:07] <three> ubiquity if you press esc when the hidden grub menu is there does it show up graphically
[17:08] <three> maybe try the solution here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1142167/grub-menu-working-but-hidden-cant-make-it-visible
[17:11] <Ubiquity4321> three, and there we have it!
[17:11] <Ubiquity4321> it is the graphical menu
[17:11] <three> eyyyy good stuff
[17:12] <Ubiquity4321> this is good, because I actually prefer the console menu
[17:12] <three> wait which solution worked pressing esc or making the change i linked
[17:13] <Ubiquity4321> three Bliepo EriC^^ mbeierl uncommenting the line in the grub config to show a console list rather than a graphical list solved the issue
[17:13] <EriC^^> Ubiquity4321: great
[17:13] <mbeierl> Ubiquity4321, I just read that!  Who would hae thought?!?
[17:14] <three> huh wait it doesnt look like the normal grub menu?
[17:14] <three> im mad because i was gonna recommend you change that setting like over an hour ago but i thought it wouldnt do anything
[17:14] <Spoon> What did Ubuntu change about Debian? Is it just a better installer and a different set of repos?
[17:14] <Ubiquity4321> three, don't be mad. I appreciate your help. Can I subscribe to your onlyfans?
[17:14] <EriC^^> i saw it myself a few mins ago, but somehow thought it disabled the grub command prompt from being available
[17:15] <three> hahah yeah i mean this problem helped me pass the time at work so im not really mad. My only fans is belledelphine69
[17:15] <Ubiquity4321> we've been at this for...4 hours
[17:16] <Ubiquity4321> alright, hit the showers. Good game. I have a working dual boot scenario and I can now start my business
[17:17] <three> lmao yeah you first sent your message at 9 its 1 lmao
[17:18] <Ubiquity4321> thank you all again for the help. What a ride
[17:18] <three> could you like send an image of the grub menu like uploaded to imgur
[17:18] <three> i just want to see you said its like the command line version?
[17:19] <Ubiquity4321> https://i0.wp.com/brezular.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Picture1_Grub_Menu_Windows.png?ssl=1
[17:19] <Ubiquity4321> similar to this
[17:19] <three> thats how my grub always looks so i guess we good
[17:19] <EriC^^> this maybe https://www.cyberciti.biz/faqs/uploaded_images/grub-single-user-mode-select-kernel-763178.png ?
[17:20] <troozers> my grub looks like that too, and I had to unhide it yesterday too... sorry i wasn't in earlier to help
[17:20] <Ubiquity4321> I bet...that ubuntu studio uses some kind of weird custom grub config because reasons
[17:20] <three> my gnome VM had a similar config to what you sent though
[17:20] <Ubiquity4321> or, it has something to do with the graphics settings on my pc
[17:20] <three> i think its just an ubuntu thing
[17:20]  * Ubiquity4321 shrugs
[17:21] <mbeierl> Those both look like console grub.  Mine uses framebuffer, so it's a "console" but with nicer fonts and like 1280x800 resolution, so much smoother and more space inside the "box" for edits
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> Ubiquity4321: It's a 1) theme, and 2) to make lowlatency the default.
[17:21]  * three downloads rEFInd purges grub
[17:22] <Ubiquity4321> Eickmeyer, interesting...
[17:22] <three> can you use rEFInd on ubuntu? i assume you can
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> Ubiquity4321: If the theme isn't working, that's weird, because it's made to work for every PC made since... ever.
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> Ubiquity4321: The lowlatency default is a different setting, I should've clarified.
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> three: You can, it just doesn't exactly take the place of grub though.
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> !info refind focal
[17:24] <three> eh probably not worth it. I always use grub anyway
[17:25] <troozers> can anyone help with a missing sound card that's only started when I updated the kernel to 5.4.0-31?
[17:26] <three> troozers any more info?
[17:26] <oerheks> troozers, looks like a proposed kernel?
[17:26] <troozers> Just updated the kernel from 5.4.0-29 to 5.4.0-31 and when I rebooted it no longer seems to recognise my sound card.  Booting back into 5.4.0-29 and the sound card is recognised again.  looking at dmesg on 5.4.0-31 it does show a message that the device is being blacklisted.  Any ideas what is causing this?
[17:27] <troozers> The kernel was part of the usual system update
[17:30] <troozers> I did do a comparison of outputs of various commands between the two kernel versions; diff -y output can be seen here >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HXgQbxmHPn/
[17:31] <three> you know what soundcard it is?
[17:32] <troozers> When I boot into the older kernel it see's it as a Realtek ALC1220	
[17:32] <troozers> I need to double-check, just a vanilla motherboard soundcard
[17:34] <troozers> motherboard listing has it down as a 'ROG SupremeFX 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC S1220'
[17:35] <three> are you dual booting?
[17:35] <troozers> Nope, I've enabled the GRUB menu so I can flick between the new and the old kernels
[17:39] <three> have you tried going to a newer kernel
[17:40] <troozers> 5.4.0-31 looks like the latest available with ubuntu
[17:42] <three> well everything i've read has alluded to this being fixed in 5.5
[17:42] <troozers> Trying to keep to the kernels that ubuntu provide
[17:43] <three> are you running 19.10?
[17:43] <troozers> 20.04
[17:43] <three> really? i though 20.04 was on a newer kernel version
[17:44] <three> no you are right
[17:45] <troozers> I still have the option to boot into 5.4.0-29 and have working audio
[17:45] <three> i wish i could suggest more i just dont know
[17:45] <troozers> just curious why dmesg suggests it's blacklisted - it's not anything I've put into a blacklist - and it works in 5.4.0-29
[17:46] <three> have you checked modprobe
[17:47] <troozers> i've done a "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" but it's not done anything, even on reboot
[17:53] <CarlFK> "try forcing pcie rescan"  anyone know how to do that ?
[17:54] <troozers> not sure how you do that
[18:01] <davido_> How do I resolve the invalid credentials issue when running snap refresh? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3bFTCZWp4H/
[18:06] <analogical> is there some Linux tool that can remove metadata tags and album art from mp3-files?
[18:06] <basalt> hi all, if i connect my ubuntu 19_10 to a 5ghz wifi, i always loose connection after some time
[18:07] <amazoniantoad> I just did a fresh install of ubuntu 20 on my computer and now it only boots to a grub command line
[18:07] <troozers> analogical I seem to remember that that id3convert had a --strip option
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> UEFI and csm are both enabled
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me figure out how to get it to boot like normal?
[18:08] <analogical> I've given up on CSM I only install with UEFI nowadays
[18:11] <troozers> id3convert is part of the libid3-tools package
[18:23] <amazoniantoad> Anyone? ;_;
[18:26] <akem> amazoniantoad, Boot with the live USB, and try boot repair.
[18:26] <amazoniantoad> akem: how do i locate boot repair?
[18:26] <akem> If it doesn't work you may have to fix the boot manually.
[18:26] <akem> amazoniantoad, Wait.
[18:27] <akem> amazoniantoad, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:27] <akem> You need to add the ppa repository with 1 command then apt-install it. It's written on that page.
[18:27] <akem> (The 2nd option)
[18:28] <amazoniantoad> thanks akem
[18:28] <akem> Np.
[18:30] <amazoniantoad> akem: the software wont run because I'm currently in "Bios-compatibility mode" and that I need to run the software from live disk. However I'm currently on the live disk
[18:31] <Spoon> What did Ubuntu change about Debian? Is it just a better installer and a different set of repos?
[18:32] <akem> amazoniantoad, Bios compat mode? What does it says when you try to start boot-repair?
[18:35] <amazoniantoad> akem: it lets me start the program like normal
[18:36] <amazoniantoad> akem: it just asks me to boot into the live session in uefi mode
[18:37] <akem> amazoniantoad, You can't boot in UEFI mode?
[18:38] <amazoniantoad> akem: I'm in uefi mode right now
[18:38] <amazoniantoad> Erm. How can I check without restarting the computer? I could put it on uefi strictly in bios
[18:38] <amazoniantoad> but right now it has the option
[18:42] <akem> amazoniantoad, You can't, you gotta check that in the bios, set it to normal mode and disable secure boot if need, then reboot on Live and try boot repair.
[18:42] <amazoniantoad> okay thanks
[19:26] <Intelo> Using kubuntu. wifi disconnects when I switch user. How to resolve this?
[19:33] <Intelo> Hi
[19:34] <Intelo> I switch user, and it behaves like I logout user. All previous work is gone. What could be wrong and how to fix it. I am using kubuntu LTS 18.x
[19:34] <vlt> Intelo: What happens when you switch back?
[19:36] <Intelo> vlt, everything that was open is gone. Wifi reconnects
[19:36] <Intelo> just like i logged out
[19:38] <Intelo> vlm, happened again
[19:39] <Intelo> even if I press ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 I can switch but it behaves just like logout
[19:40] <Intelo> vlt, same like https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/6kn35z/is_kdes_user_switching_broken/
[19:46] <Intelo> Hello anyone home?
[19:50] <mbeierl> Intelo, there are 1297 people here, but not all of them are active, or perhaps, like me, are not able to answer your question.
[20:02] <three> intelo might be worth asking in the kubunut channel
[20:25] <fgould> I have searched for solving a magicmouse sensitivity issue that causes many mis-click actions on ubuntu 20.04 arm. I have tested several Coordinate Transformation Matrix values but none appear to work. Also, docs online have different 'list-props' values for deceleration that are not in this current list-props list. Any suggestions where to get a fix?
[20:30] <ulaas> is wine32 broken with 20.04?
[20:31] <fgould> ulaas I was unable to install it on 20.04 arm.
[20:33] <ulaas> fgould, thanks
[20:37] <goddard> anyway to have notifications count inside thunderbird icon?
[20:51] <nbusrone> hi , I am not able to repair grub boot loader after installing boot-repair and this is my pastebin https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MtJnWskMr9/
[20:51] <nbusrone> I install it on VM and not able to repair
[21:08] <nbusrone> no reply ?
[21:24] <oerheks> nbusrone, so, you did not use a live iso, but a vm ??
[21:25] <oerheks> not sure that will work ..
[21:25] <nbusrone> oerheks : live iso not working even I install grub-repair
[21:26] <nbusrone> oerheks : Currently the OS guest is install on VM and VM not able to boot and it was install as /sda not sda1
[21:28] <p4r4kovsky> guys it is impossible to completely remap caps lock as home under ubuntu under gnome right???
[21:30] <oerheks> nbusrone, the live iso should be booted in uefi mode too, as i spot the efi partition
[21:30] <oerheks> not sure bootrepair works on a vm, .. maybe someone else knows?
[21:33] <nbusrone> oerheks : I am searching for solution , long story short , trying to do a test on P2V (P=ubuntu) but end up without bootloader partition replace as sda as OS
[21:42] <nbusrone> oerheks : in short , how do I create a mbr ?
[21:43] <garshol> nbusrone: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#4-boot-selection-and-partition-scheme
[21:48] <oft_gegong> so does the newest release of ubuntu require Secure Boot = disabled in BIOS?
[21:48] <nbusrone> garshol : I am about to boot using super grub 2.Problem is ubuntu OS is install as sda not sda1
[21:48] <SomethingGeneric> Hi! I installed Ubuntu over Windows 10 a while back, in UEFI mode on my machine. Now, I want to go back to dual-booting the two, but GRUB rescue complains about missing files when I try to boot my Windows 10 USB stick. How can I get around this?
[21:49] <three> are you just trying to boot into the windows installer
[21:49] <SomethingGeneric> three, me? Yes.
[21:49] <oft_gegong> SomethingGeneric: typically you wipe your hard drive, (1) install windows (2) install ubuntu.
[21:49] <three> oft_gegong is right it will be easier that way
[21:50] <three> oft_gegong also i do not think it requires secure boot off i think secure boot just causes problems with some third party drivers
[21:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> how to determine my sound device? cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/snd/${device} > /dev/null isn't working
[21:50] <SomethingGeneric> three, ok. Thanks for the help.
[21:51] <three> somethinggeneric it is possible to do if you need to keep your ubuntu install keep in mind
[21:53] <[R]> does anyone know of a place i can get the ubuntu logo with the various version numbers in it as well?
[21:54] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official for a start
[21:54] <sarnold> [R]: there's a bunch of assets on the design pages https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo/
[21:55] <[R]> yeah, i saw those... but those dont have the version #
[21:59] <nbusrone> oerheks : I don't think someone can help out except someone are familiar with clonezilla
[22:07] <nbusrone> oerheks : where can i find clonezilla channel here ?
[22:08] <sarnold> nbusrone: this website is handy when you don't know if a channel exists, or what network it might be on https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=clonezilla
[22:09] <nbusrone> sarnold : thanks
[22:14] <nbusrone> sarnold : what is idle in whois ?
[22:16] <InnovAnon-Inc> I figured out my audio device path. Now... how to escape it in docker-compose
[22:18] <nbusrone> oerheks : what is idle in whois ?
[22:19] <sarnold> nbusrone: it indicates how long someone has gone without sending messages
[22:19] <sarnold> nbusrone: I can't recall which specific events reset the counter
[22:21] <nbusrone> sarnold : someone OP at clonezilla and here too but [_KaszpiR_] idle 537:36:18, signon: Thu Apr 30 20:34:27 . how much change of getting a reply from someone idle a month ?
[22:21] <sarnold> nbusrone: not very good :)
[22:22] <nbusrone> sarnold : anyone will head to vbox channel to see whether any chances to fix it.thanks anyway :)
[22:22] <sarnold> nbusrone: good luck
[22:29] <iconoclasthero> is there something i can do about xorg taking up all my processor time besides just killing it?
[22:29] <iconoclasthero> (20.04)
[22:31] <three> probably dont wanna kill xorg iconoclasthero
[22:32] <iconoclasthero> correct, but a better solution is yet to present itself.
[22:32] <iconoclasthero> when it's eating upso much processor time i can't do anything, i'm left with little other choice...
[22:34] <sarnold> iconoclasthero: what exactly are you seeing?
[22:35] <iconoclasthero> it has happened twice today and has happened before as well.
[22:35] <iconoclasthero> today i was trying to watch a video linked from RS (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/todd-snider-talking-reality-television-blues-video-trump-802062/) and it started lagging to the point where i could not watch the animation.
[22:35] <iconoclasthero> i flipped over to guake and hit sudo htop and there is xorg eating >100% processor time.
[22:36] <iconoclasthero> so i kill it and log back in.
[22:36] <goddard> anyway to have notifications count inside thunderbird icon?
[22:37] <sarnold> iconoclasthero: that looks like a youtube video; if you just head to youtube and watch that video, how's your system do?
[22:38] <iconoclasthero> uhh... it works just fine after i kill xorg and watch it on the rolling stone page.
[22:38] <sarnold> hmm
[22:38] <iconoclasthero> i'm watching a different video on youtube right now.
[22:42] <RoseBus> can i ask gpg question here?
[22:42] <RoseBus> or just ubuntu-specific questions
[22:42] <dohpam1ne> anyone know good resources for learning about vpns?
[22:43] <dohpam1ne> everything online just says "it encrypts your data through a server" like no shit
[22:43] <tomreyn> RoseBus: #gnupg is better suited, but you could try here, too.
[22:43] <dohpam1ne> i'll try there too
[22:43] <dohpam1ne> thx
[22:43] <tomreyn> dohpam1ne: this wasn't to you
[22:45] <tomreyn> dohpam1ne: unless you have questions about a specific vpn implementation supported on ubuntu, maybe ##networking or ##linux or even ##privacy would be a better place for vpn related questions.
[22:45] <dohpam1ne> tomreyn: o lol
[22:45] <dohpam1ne> thx
[22:45] <iconoclasthero> how about https://openvpn.net/ dohpam1ne?
[22:47] <dohpam1ne> iconoclasthero: I'm on there but it's pretty dense =/
[22:47] <iconoclasthero> compaired to "everything online just says "it encrypts your data through a server" like no shit" yes, it is.
[22:47] <sarnold> hehe
[22:48] <iconoclasthero> back to the xorg issue...should i expect that xorg is the symptom or the disease?
[22:49] <iconoclasthero> i.e., should i try killing another app (e.g., chrome) and see if it resolves
[22:58] <tomreyn> iconoclasthero: if it's a symptom, then you'll (usually) see another application consuming a lot of resources, too.
[23:04] <tomreyn> iconoclasthero: in case you want to look into this more, start by posting the url returned by: cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:06] <sarnold> oh cool
[23:07] <jpmh> when I enter a lomg line in bash, the cursor jumps back to column 1 after I have typed character 86.  This is when connected using ssh and term.  With the same connection, vi etc seem to realize tha me terminal is 130 characters wide - what is bash doig and how do I stop it
[23:08] <Intelo> Hi
[23:08] <Intelo> What are ways to share desktop / resources of another pc other than VNC?
[23:08] <[R]> Intelo: xrdp
[23:08] <[R]> nx
[23:08] <[R]> x2go
[23:09] <oerheks> screen over ssh
[23:09] <jpmh> I would add on my bash issue, even sh does not have a problem
[23:09] <Intelo> [R], are these same protocols for screen sharing like VNC and RDP is?
[23:09] <Intelo> oerheks, ok, whats that?
[23:09] <[R]> vnc and rdp have nothing to do with each other
[23:09] <sarnold> jpmh: what's the output of this? shopt | grep checkwinsize
[23:10] <Intelo> [R], those are similar protocols 'streaming' screen. Correct?
[23:10] <[R]> i mean, the yboth show you the desktop
[23:10] <Intelo> oerheks, What is screen over ssh?
[23:10] <[R]> ...
[23:10] <jpmh> sarnold: I get: checkwinsize    on
[23:11] <Intelo> [R], I tried zoom. There were lags. For RDP/VNC, the host's IP should be public. Thats not the case with me
[23:11] <[R]> what?
[23:11] <sarnold> jpmh: hm. so much for the easy answer. how about kill -SIGWINCH $$  ?
[23:11] <Intelo> [R], host's IP. should be public for the client to connect
[23:11] <[R]> yeah... tahts how servers work
[23:12] <jpmh> sarnold: what does that do, why would I want to kill my own process, or am I missing something here
[23:12] <Intelo> [R], Should I expect lags in both RDP and VNC?
[23:12] <sarnold> jpmh: SIGWINCH tells bash that the window size changed, and it should re-query the terminal to find out the size
[23:12] <sarnold> jpmh: not all programs know SIGWINCH, but bash does
[23:12] <Intelo> [R], Whats the best thing for low bandwidth connections?
[23:12] <jpmh> sarnold: TY - makes sense - I'll try - stand by
[23:12] <oerheks> tons of guide online, tmux https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ssh-tmux-screen-sharing
[23:13] <[R]> Intelo: i have no clue what you should expect
[23:13] <[R]> try it and see
[23:13] <akik> Intelo: x2go is good for that
[23:13] <oerheks> like vnc, disable bacckground to save bandwidth
[23:14] <Intelo> akik, How is x2go good?
[23:14] <akik> Intelo: low bandwidth
[23:14] <Intelo> akik, do they have better compression or something else that RDP and VNC don't have
[23:15] <Intelo> Isn't it correct that X forwrding over ssh is fastest?
[23:15] <akik> Intelo: no
[23:15] <Intelo> as no pictures are streamed
[23:15] <Intelo> oerheks, should tell
[23:15] <Intelo> akik,  why not. If no stream of desktop, faster the share
[23:15] <jpmh> sarnold: the re-size did not help
[23:15] <sarnold> jpmh: dang :(
[23:16] <sarnold> jpmh: does stty -a report the right size?
[23:16] <Intelo> My ip is not public. Its a DSL home connection. HOw can I use RDP or VNC or some other screen sharing protocal?
[23:16] <sarnold> Intelo: does it *need* to be graphics? can you just use mosh with tmux or similar?
[23:16] <jpmh> sarnold: if you mean the 'columns' in the stty, YES!
[23:17] <Intelo> sarnold, I have to see what mosh and tmux is
[23:17] <oerheks> watching youtube remote would be funny
[23:17] <akem> Any game suggestion that is playable with the mouse?
[23:18] <jpmh> Intelo: if text is sufficient I am a HUGE fan of screen - standard function - works wonderfully - we hold code review meetings using it all the time
[23:18] <[R]> akem: xbill
[23:18] <oerheks> solitair, majong
[23:18] <akik> Intelo: screen and tmux are for text mode apps
[23:19] <akem> Yeah i have solitair and mahjong :P xbill i think i remember that, will try it again.
[23:19] <Intelo> jpmh, akik hm.. I have my developer and he has some hardware issues. i wanted him to remote control my pc where I have all the IDEs + env setup for development. Its a heavy machine and internet he don't have
[23:20] <jpmh> Intelo: if he does not have internet this sounds a little tough - are you planning to dial on or somethong?
[23:22] <Intelo> jpmh, dial?
[23:22] <Intelo> I don't know. If an IDE is not needed for dev and a developer can use vim. I do not need GUI. Do I?
[23:22] <jpmh> Intelo: well how are you going to connect of he has no intermet?
[23:24] <Intelo> jpmh, he has internet but a bit weak
[23:24] <sarnold> jpmh: okay... I'm running thin on ideas... does $COLUMNS report the same thing stty -a did? does ^L (will wipe the terminal) 'learn' the size of the window well? does $TERM match the actual terminal(s) in use?
[23:24] <jpmh> Intelo: then try and be text only and use screen
[23:24] <akik> Intelo: i've used x2go with a 3g cellular connection
[23:25] <sarnold> Intelo: this sounds like an ideal use case for mosh, tmux, etc, and skip graphics entirely
[23:25] <Intelo> jpmh, text only what?
[23:25] <jpmh> using command line and text mode commands
[23:25] <Intelo> sarnold, ok, I have to se wha tmosh tmux is. Can it convert my GUI apps to non-GUI?
[23:26] <akik> Intelo: no
[23:26] <sarnold> Intelo: no
[23:26] <Intelo> ok. Let me youtube on tmosh and tmux. Also, why can't a developer dev on vim (which is non GUI)
[23:27] <akik> Intelo: he can
[23:27]  * Intelo youtubes and will get back soon
[23:29] <jpmh> Intelo: I personally beli8eve that screen is MUCH easier than tmux when you start - I do believe that tmux may have some more features, but you won't need them and I believe that screen is already installed on most linux distros and certainly ubuntu
[23:29] <Intelo>  so dev can be done via ssh/non-gui terminal using vim?
[23:29] <akik> Intelo: yes
[23:29] <jpmh> Intelo: that is EXACTLY what we do for our code reviews
[23:30] <oerheks> sshfs ..
[23:30] <jpmh> sarnold: so, have we given up on my wrap screen problem?
[23:30] <Intelo> jpmh, core reviews? I thought github PR is for code reviews
[23:32] <Intelo> code*
[23:34] <sarnold> jpmh: not quite, but I'm running low on ideas... does $COLUMNS match the terminal or the bash idea of the term size?
[23:34] <sarnold> jpmh: does ^L help?
[23:34] <sarnold> jpmh: is $TERM right?
[23:35] <akik> sarnold: i've had good success keeping my local terminal TERM=xterm and remotes with screen TERM=screen
[23:37] <akik> not sure why your remote sees 130 columns
[23:42] <jpmh> sarnold: $COLUMNS is correcrt for terminal
[23:44] <Toneloc> Is it possible in Ubuntu to mount a partition that has Windows already installed on it and wipe the partition, then burn a new Windows .iso onto the same partition that was wiped and leave the machine so that it will boot into the new Windows install?
[23:44] <jpmh> sarnold: $TERM seems right - and ^L, assuming you mean control-L makes no difference
[23:44] <jpmh> sarnold: not sure what you mean by 'bash idea of screen size'
[23:45] <sarnold> jpmh: when bash wraps after 86 chars or 103 chars, etc..
[23:45] <Toneloc> In short, I'm asking can Linux burn a disk image of windows onto a seperate partition of the same drive?
[23:46] <sarnold> Toneloc: I don't think windows .isos are "live". I think they are installers only, no?
[23:46] <Toneloc> Or is there some protection / physical limitation that makes this impossible?
[23:46] <Toneloc> sarnold - I want to image a disk, and then copy that image onto the partition bit for bit
[23:47] <Toneloc> Sarnold - so the install is already done
[23:47] <Habbie> then it's not a .iso you're putting on the partition
[23:47] <sarnold> Toneloc: oh; so where's the windows .iso come in?
[23:47] <Toneloc> I didn't know what to call it!
[23:47] <sarnold> ah :)
[23:47] <Toneloc> I guess its just a binary file!
[23:47] <Habbie> it's a disk/partition image
[23:48] <Toneloc> Habbie - thank ou
[23:48] <Toneloc> *you
[23:48] <Habbie> and 'linux' will happily ship those things around for you
[23:48] <Habbie> how useful that is is a Windows question though
[23:48] <sarnold> hehe
[23:48] <Toneloc> might not be bootable?
[23:48] <Toneloc> or MBR might be stuffed?
[23:49] <sarnold> I haven't done dualbooting in ~20 years, so I'm a bit fuzzy there, but it feels like something you ought to be able to make it work
[23:49] <tomreyn> Toneloc: you can certainly write data in many different ways from a linux distribution. will windows boot that way? most of the time, probably not, but why do we care in #ubuntu?
[23:49] <sarnold> Toneloc: the gparted tool can probably help you resize filesystems, I think
[23:50] <Toneloc> tomreyn - I was just wondering was there any limitation within Ubuntu to doing this, and I also know that #Ubuntu has the most sage members
[23:51] <Toneloc> so it seemed like the place to as, but granted Windows isn't a concern here
[23:51] <iconoclasthero> tomreyn, i assume i should post that when it is happening or now?
[23:51] <tomreyn> Toneloc: if you actually had an iso image for a windows PE based system such as the windows installer you could use woeusb with the --partition option to write it to a given partition on some (supposedly bootable) media
[23:51] <iconoclasthero> because now it's https://termbin.com/wsmj1
[23:52] <iconoclasthero> other than nvidia (aren't they supposed to be releasing their own drivers sometime soon?), i don't see much to point at.
[23:53] <tomreyn> Toneloc: it's a windows (anti) feature that it won't just boot happily if you take a disk image from computer A and write to to some other storage on computer B, so maybe it's jst not as easy as you assume. there's ##windows where you could ask about 'sysprep'
[23:54] <tomreyn> iconoclasthero: 'now' is what i meant. i was wondering what hardware and driver you had.
[23:56] <Toneloc> tomreyn - I need to deploy to 150 machines and we had issues of SSD's and HDD's dying because of transferring too much data during over the network installs
[23:57] <Toneloc> So I thought I could use Linux this way to install the disk image "piecemeal" and rest the drives every so often
[23:58] <tomreyn> iconoclasthero: so you're apparently using a nvidia gtx 1060 graphics chipset with one of the many nvidia proprietary drivers. due to proprietary, debugging X issues there is really difficult. you could have a look at your systemd journal and X logs, but that's all i could suggest there.
[23:58] <Toneloc> tomreyn- thank you for the steer, I'll check it out - sysprep is a new term to me but certainly makes sense!
[23:59] <akik> Toneloc: if the image is from that same partition it can work