| tomreyn | Toneloc: you can certainly write all kinds of data to all kinds of storages with (most of the time) predictable outcomes, and get error reporting when it fails. you just need to know what you need to do exactly. | 00:00 |
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| Intelo | akik, sarnold jpmh I researched on what mosh, tmux x2go are. Isn't tmux and gnu-screen same? I have used screen though. I liked mosh for it to be fast and more stateful/reconnecting. Isn't x2go same as x11 forwarding over ssh? if not, whats the difference? | 00:18 |
| sarnold | Intelo: yes, tmux and screen are very similar. you'd probably only want one of them. they're both pretty good. | 00:24 |
| MannyLNJ | I need help I am on Ubuntu 18.04 I am trying to configure it so I can use RDP to connect because the video output going though a VGA to HDMI adapter will not display on my TV. I have it to the point where I can open Remote Desktop Connection and enter the IP of my Ubuntu system and I connect with a black screen that hangs until I get a connection log box that says connection problem, giving up then some problem on the next line. Can I | 00:37 |
| MannyLNJ | get some assistance in resolving my problem | 00:37 |
| Intelo | sarnold, is there a split thing in screen? Which one do you like? Also, I was thinking, is there a web browser based ui for vim? | 00:39 |
| sarnold | Intelo: both screen and tmux can split, yes https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#Split https://lukaszwrobel.pl/blog/tmux-tutorial-split-terminal-windows-easily/ | 00:41 |
| Intelo | sarnold, I mean, I buy a linux vps, install vim, offer the developer to use browser and use it as IDE. He is not so techy to get going with vim commandline alone | 00:41 |
| sarnold | Intelo: I don't know of any vim plugins for web browsing, but w3m, lynx, links, elinks, elinks2, edbrowse, etc may work | 00:42 |
| Intelo | sarnold, ok, which one do you like? tmux or screen | 00:42 |
| Intelo | w3m, lynx, links, elinks, elinks2, edbrowse these are interfaces of vim? | 00:42 |
| sarnold | Intelo: I switched to tmux from screen ages ago when I heard that tmux handled utf-8 better than screen, but I think that's been addressed since then | 00:42 |
| Intelo | k | 00:43 |
| sarnold | Intelo: w3m, lynx, links, elinks, elinks2, edbrowse -- all command-line web browsers | 00:43 |
| Intelo | sarnold, no I mean, I need development/coding in browser. That browser will be interface. All code changes will be done on VPS. User can ssh and run/compile app | 00:44 |
| iconoclasthero | tomreyn would it be better to switch to nuveau (sp?) | 00:44 |
| sarnold | Intelo: oh. using any of these browsers for development sounds outright horrible. they're only barely useful as browsers. :) | 00:45 |
| iconoclasthero | i should say a couple things: didn't have any problems like this from 12.04, 16.04, 18.04. I installed new instead of do release upgrade this time so it's whatever was installed by default. | 00:46 |
| gulo | Hello, I was wondering if anyone has figured out the new partitioning scheme for the autoinstall using curtin yet? I am having some problems with the straight LVM for the autoinstall. | 00:48 |
| MannyLNJ | Never mind, I found the solutuon, Sorry to bother everyone | 00:49 |
| gulo | I thought that I had my autoinstall fully functional, but I noticed just using the storage layout: lvm only partitions a small part of the disk for the LVM, and leave the rest of it unused. So after every server I deploy I am using ansible to extend the LVM. So I took a stab at the curtin partitioning, and have had zero luck figuring out the correct syntax. | 00:52 |
| Intelo | sarnold, ok. I mean, is there any interface for vim over browser? | 00:55 |
| rr123 | alright, vim8.2 upgrade broke my vim and one day is fully wasted on trying to figure out what happened | 00:56 |
| sarnold | Intelo: well... | 00:56 |
| rr123 | downgrade to 8.0 the issue went away, but some plugin requires 8.1+ vim | 00:56 |
| rr123 | time to build my own vim? | 00:56 |
| sarnold | Intelo: like, yes, you *can* run a web service that exposes a terminal via a web browser. but those are usually unsafe and are significantly worse than just using ssh or mosh | 00:56 |
| Intelo | sarnold, oh ok. I got you. Maybe i asked the wrong question. Is there a web based IDE :) | 00:57 |
| sarnold | Intelo: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/services/visual-studio-codespaces/ | 00:59 |
| sarnold | Intelo: https://theia-ide.org/ | 00:59 |
| sarnold | Intelo: there's probably more, but I've heard of these two recently | 00:59 |
| Intelo | sarnold, so visual studio is not opensource? | 01:00 |
| Intelo | sarnold, I mean, are those opensource | 01:01 |
| sarnold | Intelo: sorry, no idea there | 01:02 |
| gulo | Visual Studio is not opensource. There is a community edition that is free to use if you are not a business. | 01:03 |
| Intelo | ok | 01:04 |
| gulo | You might take a look at Eclipse Che. I haven't used it before, but a team I work with uses Eclipse in their pipelines. | 01:10 |
| miguel2013 | what do I do when the destination drive for cloning is larger? just resize right? but the partition that only allows resizing is not the one I want to resize while the other is stuck! what do i do now???? | 01:26 |
| miguel2013 | I don't want to lose the partition to resize it | 01:29 |
| miguel2013 | there has to be a wey | 01:29 |
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| InnovAnon-Inc | Is there a backup or copy util (rsync, perhaps?) for the partition that won't resize? worst case, you'll have to obliterate it and make it new and bigger | 01:51 |
| miguel2013 | InnovAnon-Inc: hi | 01:54 |
| miguel2013 | InnovAnon-Inc: what do u mean by obliterate | 01:54 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | rsync the data from the unresize-able partition to a new, big partition on the other disk, then delete the old partition. | 01:54 |
| miguel2013 | InnovAnon-Inc: that should require a new fstab for windows | 01:55 |
| miguel2013 | I didn't wanna make this complicado | 01:55 |
| miguel2013 | tho | 01:55 |
| ItzSwirlz | hoi | 01:55 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | imo that's the easy solution. it's a nice situation that you've got two disks ;) | 01:55 |
| miguel2013 | I don't want to loose 118GB of space either | 01:55 |
| miguel2013 | I'm going to make a new windows diez | 01:56 |
| miguel2013 | install cause this thing makes me want to eat a tres leches cake | 01:56 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | ugh... windows cares about the mbr and stuff, I think. you really do have to clone the drive. unless you do something more involved... | 01:57 |
| miguel2013 | been stuck an hour or more on cloning from me I thohgt I knew better Ive done this with my own pc sucesfuly even made a clone from a HD to a pen drive smaller using pv and that went nice | 01:57 |
| miguel2013 | InnovAnon-Inc: is using gpt scheme | 01:58 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | well that's better than it could be | 01:58 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | you're sure you can't just resize the windows partition? https://www.diskpart.com/resource/resize-NTFS-partition-windows.html | 01:58 |
| miguel2013 | InnovAnon-Inc: gdisk wants me to delete the old partition | 01:59 |
| miguel2013 | I want to keep data | 01:59 |
| miguel2013 | gparted won't maybe gpart but i would probably give me the same wey as gdisk | 01:59 |
| miguel2013 | gparted can't resize if partition 5 is in the wey | 02:00 |
| miguel2013 | for recovery or some maintance partition stuff I never knew whats in it | 02:00 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | am I understanding correctly that you have a disk that is bigger and empty? | 02:01 |
| miguel2013 | yes | 02:02 |
| miguel2013 | windows manage system app won't do the resizing if gparted couln'dt | 02:02 |
| miguel2013 | in the weys I'm trying I think no one can | 02:02 |
| miguel2013 | no app can* | 02:03 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | clone the small disk to the big disk, delete the linux partitions on the big disk. boot up windows (hopefully it will boot), resize the ntfs partition from within windows. resize the linux partitions on the smaller disk, then clone them over | 02:03 |
| miguel2013 | oh I see what I should do | 02:04 |
| miguel2013 | I should clone the partition that's in the wey | 02:04 |
| miguel2013 | but I'm not pro | 02:05 |
| miguel2013 | I'll try | 02:05 |
| miguel2013 | more work | 02:05 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | I'd start with the windows partition. It's gonna be the tricky one. your linux installs should just work. Windows gets finnicky when you move it around | 02:05 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | it also likes to overwrite the boot record so you won't be able to find your linux partitions... but that's probably just when you're installing windoze. | 02:06 |
| miguel2013 | dd specificando la partition number to clone the partition | 02:08 |
| miguel2013 | how I never knew that | 02:08 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | you probably don't need to copy your zeroes and unallocated data. https://serverfault.com/questions/439128/dd-on-entire-disk-but-do-not-want-empty-portion | 02:17 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | dd is a little low-level. from the link: "partimage and clonezilla are actually smart enough to skip reading the free space, rather than relying on you to write zeros to it, and then have dd or gzip drop or compress the zeros after reading them in" | 02:20 |
| bigLITTLE | what's the recommended filesystem for ubuntu 20 ? | 02:38 |
| sarnold | ext4 is a nice conservative choice; zfs has some nice features, but is a bit 'new' for root filesystem use | 02:39 |
| bigLITTLE | any thougts on btrfs? | 02:40 |
| bigLITTLE | it has three choices on ubuntu 20 FF | 02:40 |
| bigLITTLE | ext4, xfs and btrfs | 02:40 |
| sarnold | btrfs isn't for me; given how long their non-mirror raid code was known to be unsafe before they did anything about it (did they?) has scared me off it.. | 02:42 |
| bigLITTLE | I see | 02:42 |
| bigLITTLE | how about ext4 vs xfs? | 02:42 |
| sarnold | I've always heard good things about xfs | 02:43 |
| bigLITTLE | I think centos defaults to xfs now | 02:43 |
| sarnold | it just appears to be rarely used in the ubuntu community, so you may stumble across issues | 02:43 |
| sarnold | yeah | 02:43 |
| bigLITTLE | any forseen issues? | 02:45 |
| celular | Hi | 02:48 |
| celular | How long does resizing usually takes? From 120gb to 970gb | 02:49 |
| bigLITTLE | for me usually almost instantenously | 02:49 |
| celular | Is been 20 minutes | 02:50 |
| bigLITTLE | what's your filesystem? | 02:51 |
| celular | Maybe ntfs and gpt | 02:52 |
| SynfulAck | what are the packages that are usually required to compile from source. Most of the websites mention build-essentials but usually in the past theres been a couple more than that like make, sumin headers? | 03:06 |
| sarnold | it depends on what you're building | 03:07 |
| sarnold | there's around 10k -dev packages, so there's no easy way to give a full list of everything you'd need | 03:08 |
| SynfulAck | storage drivers | 03:08 |
| SynfulAck | wasnt there some tool to help with auto locating it all | 03:08 |
| sarnold | if you're building a *new* version of something that is packaged, but too old, you can use apt-get build-dep to save yourself some time | 03:09 |
| SynfulAck | no its from source | 03:09 |
| sarnold | dang | 03:09 |
| sarnold | quite often folks will give lists of packages to install in the README or similar | 03:09 |
| sarnold | but if they didn't do that, then your best bet is just to run the build, see what failed, install the missing package, try again.. | 03:10 |
| SynfulAck | hmm interesing, apt-src. | 03:10 |
| sarnold | interesting, I haven't seen that before | 03:11 |
| quidnunc | I installed a package via check-install and now I want to remove it but I don't know what it was called. Is there a way to list all packages installed by checkinstall or a way to find out which package a file installed by checkinstall was installed by? | 03:16 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | apt install -qy build-essential autoconf automake libtool pkgconf | 03:19 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | then try building the package, wait for it to fail, and lookup what headers or libs it's tryna reference | 03:20 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | if it has any sort of Makefile or Makefile.am or pkgconfig.in or pkgconfig, then you could look ahead of time what it might try to reference | 03:21 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | also find . -iname \*.h -o -iname \*.c -o -iname \*.cc etc -exec grep '^#include' {} + | 03:22 |
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| noraatepernos | I’m in search of a one line summary of current cpu and memory usage anyone have any ideas? Like a mini top or htop. | 03:42 |
| noraatepernos | Sorry, results can be multiple lines but I don’t need htop I’m looking for more of an average. | 03:43 |
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| SynfulAck | InnovAnon-Inc, I got it to work via make dkms but not as deb. driver wise isnt it overall much better to have it as dkms? | 04:02 |
| Intelo | Anyone used vim? All I would need for now would be file tree view, code color (javascript, react, node), file search, go to declared function, auto complete of code/hints | 04:03 |
| kandinski | hi folks. I have a Bluetooth USB dongle that Windows recognises and uses, but Ubuntu doesn't. Can any of you help me find out how to make it work? Here's what dmesg says when I plug it in: [1363469.582140] usb 1-1.1.3: new full-speed USB device number 9 using ehci-pci | 04:04 |
| kandinski | [1363469.691947] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0a12, idProduct=0001, bcdDevice=88.91 | 04:04 |
| kandinski | [1363469.691956] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 | 04:04 |
| kandinski | [1363469.691961] usb 1-1.1.3: Product: USB1.1-A | 04:04 |
| kandinski | oops sorry | 04:04 |
| kandinski | that was intended to be a termbin url, mispaste | 04:04 |
| kandinski | https://termbin.com/enj9 | 04:04 |
| irzan | hi , i need help for installation of ubuntu 20.04 server over the network | 04:05 |
| irzan | the only information that I got is this https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510, which download the entire iso at the beginning | 04:08 |
| irzan | I need to do nfsroot | 04:09 |
| irzan | and it keep failing, it said unable to find live file system on the network | 04:09 |
| ningu | what's the current level of support for zfs on root in ubuntu? | 04:24 |
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| InnovAnon-Inc | what would cause sound to stop working in docker when switching from an older version of the distro to a newer version of the distro? | 05:11 |
| Aavar_ | I am using unity. How can I make alt+tab switch between all open windows without grouping them? | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | Aavar_: to tweak around, you could try dconf-editor and ccsm, see also your hotkey combo's in systemsettings | 06:15 |
| vaguelyevolution | Aavar: https://askubuntu.com/questions/84880/unity-how-can-i-make-alttab-browse-through-all-my-windows-without-grouping-the | 06:16 |
| Aavar_ | vaguelyevolution: thank you, that worked... gut for some reason it jumps 2 steps when i press alt+tab... weird | 06:18 |
| Aavar_ | vaguelyevolution: ahh... i hat two hotkeys enabled. fixed :) | 06:19 |
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| fnoyanisi | hi. | 07:38 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome fnoyanisi | 07:38 |
| fnoyanisi | I booted my VM from ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso and logged into as the ubuntu user | 07:39 |
| fnoyanisi | is there a way to start installation from the command line? | 07:39 |
| EriC^^ | fnoyanisi: ubiquity | 07:43 |
| EriC^^ | oh you mean the tty? | 07:43 |
| fnoyanisi | yes | 07:44 |
| mogad0n | im on 20.04 my /var/lib just keeps growing and growing | 07:44 |
| EriC^^ | why so? | 07:44 |
| mogad0n | it's the docker folder | 07:44 |
| mogad0n | why is this happening | 07:45 |
| mogad0n | any clues? | 07:45 |
| EriC^^ | sorry i meant fnoyanisi | 07:45 |
| mogad0n | is it the log | 07:45 |
| EriC^^ | no idea | 07:45 |
| EriC^^ | try "ncdu" | 07:45 |
| mogad0n | i am it's the logging | 07:45 |
| mogad0n | rofl | 07:45 |
| fnoyanisi | EriC^^ : thanks | 07:45 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | you probably have a lot of intermediate images cached | 08:00 |
| mogad0n | idk what that means | 08:03 |
| fnoyanisi | is there a way to invoke system installer from the command line? | 08:03 |
| ducasse | fnoyanisi: yes, 'ubiquity' as EriC^^ said | 08:09 |
| fnoyanisi | well sudo ubiquity does nothing | 08:11 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | try docker images... if there's a lot of output, then that's what's going on | 08:12 |
| fnoyanisi | InnovAnon-Inc : are you saying to me? | 08:13 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | no, moga0n is asking why docker is overcrowding his /var/lib directory. for you... try sudo ubuntu-software | 08:15 |
| fnoyanisi | sudo ubuntu-software? | 08:15 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | yeah. worked for me | 08:16 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | I found with with ls /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin | grep -e install -e ubuntu | 08:17 |
| fnoyanisi | I don't think where is something called ubuntu-software in the PATH | 08:17 |
| fnoyanisi | Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-26-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 20 16:58:30 UTC 2020 x86_64 | 08:18 |
| fnoyanisi | x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 08:18 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | which ubuntu-software shows that it should be in /usr/bin | 08:18 |
| fnoyanisi | nah.. I don't have it | 08:19 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | You're running ubuntu and you want to start the gui for installing software, right? | 08:19 |
| fnoyanisi | I am on a console, is there a text install option? | 08:19 |
| fnoyanisi | I do not have a GUI | 08:19 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | I use apt-fast (a wrapper around apt) for the console | 08:20 |
| fnoyanisi | nah...not found | 08:20 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | are you trying to install ubuntu or are you trying to install software on an existing ubuntu installation? | 08:20 |
| fnoyanisi | mind you, this is the live CD | 08:21 |
| fnoyanisi | I want to start the installation from the live CD CLI | 08:21 |
| ducasse | fnoyanisi: are you in x or on a tty? | 08:22 |
| fnoyanisi | tty | 08:22 |
| ducasse | then you can't start the installer | 08:22 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | I've always used debootstrap for that | 08:22 |
| fnoyanisi | bummer :( | 08:22 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | maybe try using a different installation medium: https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads | 08:23 |
| ducasse | fnoyanisi: try the server image if you need to install from a tty | 08:23 |
| fnoyanisi | I boot from the Live CD but it carries on with the try ubuntu option for some reason | 08:23 |
| fnoyanisi | ducasse ... I will | 08:23 |
| fnoyanisi | any way to start installer from tty | 08:24 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | as ducasse said, use the server install iso: http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.4/ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso | 08:24 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | switch out the kernel for a desktop kernel if you're going to be using it as your workstation. | 08:25 |
| ducasse | the kernels are the same | 08:25 |
| fnoyanisi | I will use it to try some software | 08:25 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | ugh lame | 08:25 |
| fnoyanisi | why | 08:26 |
| ako | evening everyone, or wherever your TZ may be... I am new to Ubuntu and have some questions which I hope soneone can respond to. 1. How do I get ls(1) to behave more like a traditional UNIX? I've set my LC_COLLATE to C, but that still doesn't sort correctly. I then added --group-directories-first to GNU ls(1), close but no cigar. 2. Is it really the | 08:26 |
| ako | only way to modify the xterm-256color definition in order to get it to stop clearing the buffer after exiting? | 08:26 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | server kernels should be optimized for throughput and desktop kernels should be optimized for responsiveness. for starters | 08:27 |
| fnoyanisi | I am not a starter | 08:27 |
| ako | Just seems as if the GNU people, or the Linux people or the whatever people are trying their best at trying to screw things up with respect to compatibility... | 08:27 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | try busybox ls | 08:28 |
| ako | Will that work? | 08:29 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | it'll produce different output. idk what traditional behavior you're expecting | 08:29 |
| ako | Listing a directory will sort caps first | 08:30 |
| InnovAnon-Inc | yeah, see if the busybox variant is more what you're expecting | 08:31 |
| akik | ako: how does LC_COLLATE=C work for you that you did not expect? | 08:32 |
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| SynfulAck | `fdisk doesn't understand GUID Partition Table (GPT) and it is not designed for large partitions. In particular case use more advanced GNU parted(8). ` well, that seems odd. I thought the tool was popular, kinda sounds dated. | 09:01 |
| EriC^^ | SynfulAck: there's gdisk for gpt | 09:03 |
| ako | akik: sorry I didn't see you type an answer. LC_COLLATE=C does _almost_ work, in that it tries to sort the first letter in ASCII byte order. But it doesn't go all the way because it only sorts on the first letter in ASCII order, after that it's some black magic again. Also, GNU ls(1) insists on not distinguishing directories from regular files, and | 09:04 |
| ako | lists them together | 09:04 |
| SynfulAck | EriC^^, What do people use to partition disks for zfs, gdisk? Something ive been wondering too is if lvm can be used for partitioning and recognized by zfs | 09:05 |
| ako | In short, with LC_COLLATE=C and aliasing ls to 'ls --group-directories-first' I get mostly a UNIX style ASCII ordered sort, but again only on the first byte. | 09:05 |
| akik | ako: can you paste a listing showing the weird behaviour? | 09:05 |
| ako | It's weird to me, because the GNU ls author would have to add code to make it this complicated | 09:05 |
| ako | Sure | 09:05 |
| ako | alex@turnip:~$ lsDAsktop DEsktop Documents Music Public Videos xterm-256color.srcDCsktop Desktop Downloads Pictures Templates extras | 09:06 |
| akik | ako: i meant like on a pastebin site | 09:07 |
| ako | oh | 09:07 |
| ako | I'm old | 09:07 |
| akik | SynfulAck: fdisk supports gpt since some years | 09:07 |
| ako | https://pastebin.com/z8gA6AWm | 09:08 |
| ako | That's what it's supposed to look like | 09:08 |
| ako | But it seems as though when I use GNU ls, it wants to sort the first byte with LC_COLLATE=C in ASCII order, the other byte ends up being sorted afterwards. So a DZktop directory is sorted after Desktop. | 09:10 |
| akik | ako: i'm unsure of the problem. did you paste the weird sorting behaviour? | 09:11 |
| EriC^^ | SynfulAck: i think it doesnt really matter, gdisk/fdisk (gpt/msdos) is the partition table of the disk, zfs is just a filesystem within a part(ition) of the disk | 09:11 |
| fnoyanisi | server iso install from tty fine | 09:12 |
| EriC^^ | it's like asking if this software works and asking if a usb2.0 or usb 3.0 matters or dvd etc | 09:12 |
| fnoyanisi | installation takes ages though | 09:12 |
| Aavar_ | I am looking for a simple calculator for ubuntu? Like the one from windows xp (windows 7?). Do you have any suggestions? | 09:14 |
| fnoyanisi | gnome used to have a calculator | 09:17 |
| fnoyanisi | if it still exists, it should do it | 09:17 |
| Aavar_ | fnoyanisi: that's what I am using, but it's too advanced. I am looking for something that does not show what is summed. Foe example, if I type 1+2+3 in gnome calculator it shows just that. A classical calculator only shows the latest entry. | 09:19 |
| fnoyanisi | alright...not sure then | 09:20 |
| Aavar_ | fnoyanisi: thank you for the answer. I'll just keep using gnome calc | 09:25 |
| Aavar_ | :) | 09:25 |
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| TheRedRipper | hi | 09:31 |
| SynfulAck | EriC^^, akik wow parted is very fidgety. Interesting tools for checking alignment though but still very idiosyncratic | 09:35 |
| kandinski | I have a windows-supported bluetooth usb dongle that Ubuntu 20.04, fully updated, only sees as a USB device: https://termbin.com/enj9 Any idea how to make it work? | 09:50 |
| TheRedRipper | Hello | 09:54 |
| EriC^^ | SynfulAck: yeah, nevermind my earlier messages regarding zfs, it's not correct | 10:07 |
| TheRedRipper | anyone here using weechat? | 10:12 |
| coconut | TheRedRipper, good chance there are some, yes. | 10:15 |
| TheRedRipper | coconut: well ofc, thats why m asking | 10:16 |
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| ducasse | TheRedRipper: ask your actual question, please | 10:18 |
| TheRedRipper | i dont have one, sorry, i thought this was just a discussion channel | 10:18 |
| ducasse | it's not, try #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic | 10:19 |
| TheRedRipper | ah, ok. sry | 10:19 |
| Austin__ | hello, is it possible to load grub from USB, and then boot ubuntu from a pcie nvme drive if my BIOS will not recognise the nvme drive? | 10:29 |
| Austin__ | i have grub installed on a USB drive, but "ls" will not show the nvme drive | 10:29 |
| Austin__ | ...at the grub prompt | 10:30 |
| specter | 0 | 10:52 |
| NoInternet | Hello | 11:07 |
| nbusrone | Anyone know how to fix no bootloader ? the boot-repair doesn't work and only show log file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zJDCGp4g6K/ | 11:07 |
| NoInternet | I have no sound on my laptop - I don't have any headphones plugged it, but it's playing from the headphones...? | 11:09 |
| NoInternet | I can't see "Speakers" anywhere | 11:11 |
| nbusrone | NoInternet : ubuntu version ? check your sound setting | 11:12 |
| NoInternet | 20.04 | 11:12 |
| NoInternet | I installed PulseAudio, but it says "Speakers (unavailable)" | 11:12 |
| NoInternet | It doesn't show "Speakers" in settings | 11:13 |
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| NoInternet | Microphone is working.... | 11:15 |
| nbusrone | NoInternet : did you load your live CD 20.04 and sound test it ? | 11:17 |
| NoInternet | Nope | 11:17 |
| NoInternet | should I try that? | 11:18 |
| nbusrone | NoInternet : Try it and if the sound works , means your speaker hardware is fine | 11:18 |
| NoInternet | ok | 11:18 |
| NoInternet | it used to work with Windows | 11:18 |
| coconut | NoInternet, you might get sound when bluetooth headphones are disconnected. | 11:19 |
| NoInternet | I don't have bluetooth on this laptop | 11:20 |
| coconut | NoInternet, oh ok. | 11:20 |
| NoInternet | I haven't restarted Ubuntu since I installed it, so something might change | 11:21 |
| coconut | NoInternet, but how does there get sound out of your headphones without cable connected then? | 11:22 |
| NoInternet | i don't have anything connected | 11:22 |
| NoInternet | no idea | 11:22 |
| EriC^^ | nbusrone: reading | 11:24 |
| NoInternet | wait a minute... | 11:24 |
| NoInternet | wtf | 11:24 |
| NoInternet | theres something in my headphone jack | 11:25 |
| NoInternet | I used a toothpick to get it out (some rubber thing) and it worked | 11:25 |
| NoInternet | weird.... | 11:25 |
| EriC^^ | nbusrone: did you manually dd the ubuntu to your hdd? | 11:25 |
| EriC^^ | nbusrone: from those logs it looks like what was mounted was "sda", the whole disk not a partition | 11:26 |
| EriC^^ | nbusrone: thus no room for bootloader | 11:30 |
| NoInternet | is swap in another partition? | 11:34 |
| coconut | NoInternet, yes, it is | 11:37 |
| NoInternet | Bootloader, Files, System, and Swap? | 11:38 |
| coconut | NoInternet, you mean that they are separated? | 11:40 |
| tomreyn | if you installed 20.04 using the desktop installer, you'll have a swap file, not a swap partition, i would think | 11:43 |
| tomreyn | the swap file would be stored on the file system mounted at / | 11:44 |
| NoInternet | oh ok | 11:44 |
| NoInternet | thanks | 11:44 |
| tomreyn | cat /preoc/swaps should tell | 11:57 |
| tomreyn | cat /proc/swaps should tell | 11:57 |
| nbusrone | EriC^^ : sorry I was away . Yeh , there is no bootloader and only sda | 12:02 |
| coconut | tomreyn, wasn't swap in the times of dapper drake(6.06) a partition by default? | 12:02 |
| tomreyn | coconut: yes, but... that's ancient. | 12:02 |
| coconut | yeah... | 12:03 |
| nbusrone | EriC^^ : how do I create and move to sda1 ? create bootloader sda using gparted resize it out ? | 12:03 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: how did you create this installation in the first place? | 12:06 |
| Intelo | I created key on localhost with ssh-keygen for user A, how do I copy its public part to server if there is no user account for user A on server | 12:08 |
| undeclared | Intelo: create the user account, then place it in /home/{user}/.ssh/authorized_keys (you will have to make this directory) | 12:09 |
| undeclared | where {user} is the username | 12:09 |
| Intelo | Then what ssh-copy-id do? | 12:09 |
| undeclared | you'll have to set appropriate permissions too, it may be easier to su them | 12:09 |
| undeclared | never used it | 12:10 |
| Intelo | k | 12:10 |
| undeclared | I think that's what you want, you're right | 12:11 |
| undeclared | seems like a good tool | 12:11 |
| Intelo | undeclared, authorized_keys is a dir? | 12:12 |
| undeclared | sorry, .ssh directory | 12:12 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : using clonezilla dd the particular partition , convert and restore it. | 12:12 |
| fgould | I have searched for solving a magicmouse sensitivity issue that causes many mis-click actions on ubuntu 20.04 arm. I have tested several Coordinate Transformation Matrix values but none appear to work. Also, docs online have different 'list-props' values for deceleration that are not in this current list-props list. Any suggestions where to get a fix? | 12:12 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : The only way I can boot it is buy using super grub2 cd | 12:13 |
| nbusrone | by* | 12:13 |
| EriC^^ | undeclared: create a new partition table then partition and dd the os to the partition and reinstall grub via chroot | 12:13 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: i see. well, you have no partition table on this disk, and no place to store grub, so that makes sense. | 12:13 |
| Intelo | undeclared, so what user name to give in ssh-copy-id? user A can't do it as he don't have access yet | 12:13 |
| undeclared | Intelo: you absolutely have to create a login for this to work | 12:13 |
| EriC^^ | same time as gparted as it will have to move all the data to the right if it can | 12:13 |
| undeclared | a user | 12:14 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: i'm not sure of which tool you could use to move the data on this raw storage device to the latter part of the storage so that you could add a partition table in front. i bet it's possible somehow, but i wouldn't actually know how to. | 12:15 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I really didn't know restoring it doesn't include a bootloader. What should I suppose to do now ? Can I gparted and resize a partition and move the OS to sda1 ? create a sda as boot loader ? | 12:15 |
| Intelo | undeclared, log is made but if theres no ssh allowed, how to login | 12:15 |
| undeclared | Intelo: sudo su [user] | 12:16 |
| undeclared | on the server | 12:16 |
| Intelo | then? | 12:16 |
| undeclared | and then for example, mkdir ~/.ssh, nano ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 12:16 |
| undeclared | paste the key | 12:16 |
| Intelo | so in this case, I cannot use ssh-copy-id | 12:16 |
| Intelo | ok | 12:16 |
| undeclared | right | 12:16 |
| undeclared | ssh-copy-id implies its gonna ssh in | 12:16 |
| Intelo | whats the file name of key to create | 12:17 |
| undeclared | okay wait.. you have a key already generated or not? | 12:17 |
| undeclared | if you do, then what you're gonna want to paste in is the contents of keyfile.pub | 12:18 |
| undeclared | authorized_keys sorry | 12:18 |
| undeclared | .ssh/authorized_keys | 12:18 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: so if i was in your situation and could not find out how to do this i'd probably just back up the data to a different storage (apparently this is all in virtualization anyways, so it should be easy), and grab another disk, partition it, copy the data to one of these partitions, remove the old disk. | 12:18 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I still keep the clone dd raw uncompress data right now.But I am not familiar with the restore option even on help section.Went to clonezilla channel and no one reply. | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 12:23 |
| Intelo | undeclared, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PSJDDHDCTb/ | 12:23 |
| undeclared | Intelo: sorry, I didn't explain correctly | 12:24 |
| undeclared | delete the authorized_keys folder | 12:25 |
| Intelo | undeclared, then? | 12:25 |
| undeclared | What you want to do is edit the authorized_keys file instead | 12:25 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: i'm not that familiar with clonezilla. you'll probably need to create the partition table on the target device first of all (using e.g. fdisk), then use clonezilla to restore the partition (apparently not whole disk, since you seem to have lost the partition table and boot code) you backed up to one of those partitions. | 12:25 |
| undeclared | and paste the contents of id_rsa.pub into there | 12:25 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I still keep the clone dd raw uncompress data right now.But I am not familiar with the restore option even on help section.Went to clonezilla channel and no one reply. | 12:26 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I also try to convert the raw data into VM .VboxManage convertfromraw --format VDI source.img target.vdi but result is the same.Sda only | 12:26 |
| Intelo | undeclared, ok, I got it. and if I want to ssh from somewhere else, it have to copy the private key part? | 12:27 |
| Intelo | undeclared, works | 12:27 |
| undeclared | Yeah, you need the id_rsa, but keep that private. | 12:27 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: you need to understand that ehat is in source.img is a backup of a partition only, not a full disk, not including a partition table. | 12:27 |
| tomreyn | ehat -> what | 12:28 |
| tomreyn | see this, maybe it helps explaining https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/423981/how-do-i-move-an-ext4-filesystem-from-dev-sdb-to-dev-sdb1 | 12:28 |
| undeclared | you can rename it to anything too just do ssh user@host -i keyfile.pem | 12:29 |
| undeclared | IntelIo | 12:29 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : it explain why It doesn't include boot table.Normally how do I restore it back ? | 12:30 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: normally, you restore a partition image to a partition on a partitioned disk. | 12:31 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I just restore it to a partition disk without partition the disk first. Not familiar with clonezilla . | 12:33 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: just add a new disk to this VM which is slightly (such as 16 MB) larger than the image file you have, then, inside the VM, write a partition table to this new storage, then, still inside the VM, dd all the data from the existing disk onto one of the partitions you created on the new disk. | 12:34 |
| tomreyn | you can then chroot into the OS on this partition (if there is one on it) or install one. you'll also need a /boot partition, and (if uefi booting) an efi system partition (somewher eon the final system). | 12:36 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I will try it and report back.I am beginner , looks not simple for me. | 12:36 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: it's not super simple. you didn'T back up all the data you used to have, so it's more complicated to make it work again now. | 12:37 |
| rr123 | where should I set TERM? .bashrc? Xresources? on ubuntu18.04. I was told for gnome-terminal the "correct" TERM should be gnome-terminal, but mine is set to xterm-256color somehow | 12:55 |
| tomreyn | "echo $TERM" returning "xterm-256color" on 18.04 is default, i would think | 12:58 |
| rr123 | but vim had issues with that when mouse is enabled, took me one day to debug, and vim folks suggest gnome-terminal should be set TERM to gnome-terminal instead of xterm* | 12:59 |
| tomreyn | you may want to use the gnome-terminal to run a virtual terminal, but that's unrelated to what you set TERM to | 12:59 |
| rr123 | actually gnome-terminal is not valid | 13:01 |
| tomreyn | if you run bash, TERM is usually set in ~/.bashrc | 13:03 |
| ThothCastel | does AnsibleNas come with ubuntu? | 13:13 |
| tomreyn | !find AnsibleNas | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Found: W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W: (and 11568 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=AnsibleNas&searchon=names&suite=focal§ion=all | 13:18 |
| tomreyn | that's roughly a "no" | 13:19 |
| mirak | hello | 14:03 |
| benz_glock | hi! | 14:14 |
| GarretDrake | hi everyone | 14:52 |
| GarretDrake | has anyone got lucky working adobeconnect for ubuntu10.04 in a higher release? | 14:52 |
| GarretDrake | come on you people | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | !ubuntu10.04 | 14:54 |
| GarretDrake | if not for helping eachother why is this channel present? | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | !EOL | 14:54 |
| ubottu | End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 14:54 |
| GarretDrake | thank you | 14:54 |
| tomtiger11 | GarretDrake: it's usually best to give people some time to respond first :) | 14:55 |
| GarretDrake | sorry for my hasty jump-to-conclusion | 14:56 |
| GarretDrake | I have a working understanding of EOL. I am trying to stick to Ubuntu despite the effort of my corporation to discourage use of anything bu Windows | 14:58 |
| GarretDrake | I need to connect to meetings using AbobeConnect | 14:58 |
| GarretDrake | but I don't want to leve my beautiful xubuntu 20.04 behind | 14:59 |
| GarretDrake | installation of ubuntu 12.04 and enduring "AdobeConnect Loading" screen for hours is where googling got me so far | 15:01 |
| bindi | why are you in the year 2010 and 2012 with your ubuntu installations? | 15:02 |
| GarretDrake | therefore I need some first-hand information from someone who has done it | 15:03 |
| bindi | which is it, 10.04, 12.04 or 20.04? | 15:03 |
| GarretDrake | OK the application in question is AdobeConnect, which was released for Ubuntu 10.04. I am using 20.04, which is far from establishing any connection through the mentioned app. googling around i found some text (don't really remmeber where now) advising use of ubuntu 12.04 to connect through the app. | 15:07 |
| GarretDrake | thats the point I installed ubuntu 12.04 on a spare harddisk | 15:07 |
| GarretDrake | I don't want to downgrade all the wa back to 10.04 | 15:08 |
| bindi | adobe connect should work with chrome with flash enabled | 15:09 |
| bindi | (which will be removed end of 2020) | 15:09 |
| GarretDrake | correct but with no screen sharing | 15:10 |
| GarretDrake | which is a must for my job | 15:10 |
| GarretDrake | as a matter of fact Opera works much better with AdobeConnect IMHO, alas, it has no screen sharing either | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | GarretDrake: as said above, 12.04 is eol, do you use 12.04 ESM? | 15:12 |
| oerheks | 12.04 should be off the internet | 15:12 |
| bindi | sounds like you need a different machine for your job then | 15:13 |
| oerheks | 12.04 esm does not exist anymore, | 15:13 |
| GarretDrake | soo, no tricks or handy tools or workarounds? just simply use windows? | 15:16 |
| oerheks | GarretDrake, install a suported version of ubuntu, done. | 15:17 |
| GarretDrake | 10.04 | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | no | 15:17 |
| oerheks | please, you know it is outdated, without updates, vulnerable, and should be off the internet | 15:17 |
| benz_glock | The ubuntu 20.04 emphasize the gnome 3. However, I can't any useful develop doc on gnome3. Developing gnome3 is very painful for me. | 15:20 |
| GarretDrake | All right thank you all for your responses | 15:23 |
| GarretDrake | I guess sometimes a lost case is a lost case | 15:23 |
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| Sven_vB | trying to "aptitude full-upgrade" an Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS amd64, I get the unmet dependency "linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-16.04 : Depends: linux-image-4.15.0-102-lowlatency which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package." What to do? | 15:30 |
| oerheks | sven did you run apt update first? | 15:32 |
| Sven_vB | nope, just aptitude update | 15:32 |
| oerheks | that 102 is not in the list https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kernel/ | 15:32 |
| Sven_vB | I can try with apt, too | 15:32 |
| oerheks | try the normal apt method? | 15:32 |
| mike18 | hi | 15:33 |
| mike18 | hi what does it mean if FIN_WAIT2 is so high? https://ideone.com/ihINvI | 15:34 |
| Sven_vB | problem persists after apt update. | 15:34 |
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| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic xenial | 15:35 |
| MuertoLives | Sven_vB: do a full update then run "sudo apt -f install" | 15:35 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.179.187 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 15 kB | 15:35 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, https://benohead.com/blog/2013/07/21/tcp-about-fin_wait_2-time_wait-and-close_wait/#FIN_WAIT_2 | 15:35 |
| Sven_vB | MuertoLives, did so, it ran very quickly, seemingly without doing anything: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. | 15:36 |
| MuertoLives | huh | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic-HWE-16.04 xenial | 15:37 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 (source: linux-meta-hwe): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.101.108 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB | 15:37 |
| ioria | !info linux-image-4.15.0-102-lowlatency xenial-proposed | 15:37 |
| ubottu | linux-image-4.15.0-102-lowlatency (source: linux-hwe): Linux kernel image for version 4.15.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0-102.103~16.04.1 (xenial-proposed), package size 7338 kB, installed size 7994 kB (Only available for amd64; ppc64el) | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | ah its proposed | 15:37 |
| oerheks | good find | 15:37 |
| Sven_vB | does it mean I need to enable proposed repos? | 15:38 |
| mike18 | Sven_vB but what does it mean if FIN_WAIT2 is higher than connected? | 15:38 |
| Sven_vB | nah, the proposed repos are already enabled. | 15:39 |
| oerheks | backports are standard enabled, proposed is just a test repo | 15:40 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, that more connections have finished uncleanly, than are currently active. if it stays for a long time, it means you're faster at making connections that will end unclean, than their timeout is. | 15:40 |
| mike18 | but why connections closing? | 15:40 |
| mike18 | server client use keep alive | 15:40 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, you could query a list of FIN_WAIT_2 connections, then try to guess from their hosts and ports what they might have been. | 15:41 |
| mike18 | how and why? | 15:42 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, you could also take a packet capture of all connections, then later analyze the ones that end up in FIN_WAIT_2. | 15:42 |
| mike18 | im just wondering why they close | 15:42 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, to find hints for possible reasons of why they close. | 15:42 |
| mike18 | since client server use keep alive | 15:42 |
| woenx | Hi, one question. I noticed that sometimes when I open a program in Ubuntu 20.04, it does not appear in the "docker" where the other icons is. Only after changing program, or minimizing/maximizing it, then it appears | 15:43 |
| woenx | does that happen to everyone? | 15:44 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, e.g. if the packet capture shows that a certain client suddenly stops sending traffic altogether, then re-establishes a session from another IP, you might assume they're roaming on a mobile network. | 15:44 |
| mike18 | its not mobile :) | 15:44 |
| mike18 | so that cannot happen | 15:44 |
| Sven_vB | mike18, guessing (yours or ours) probably won't help you. do the science. | 15:46 |
| Sven_vB | not meaning to say there's roaming on your scenario, it was just one possible example for observation you could get. | 15:47 |
| gulo | Hello, I was wondering if anyone has figured out the new partitioning scheme for the autoinstall using curtin yet? I am having some problems with the straight LVM for the autoinstall. | 16:27 |
| gulo | I thought that I had my autoinstall fully functional, but I noticed just using the storage layout: lvm only partitions a small part of the disk for the LVM, and leave the rest of it unused. So after every server I deploy I am using ansible to extend the LVM. So I took a stab at the curtin partitioning, and have had zero luck figuring out the correct syntax. | 16:27 |
| tomreyn | gulo: try asking this in #ubuntu-server, preferrably during UK business hours. or, better, file a bug if you think oyu found a configuration which should have worked or documentation seems to be lacking | 16:45 |
| Deano59 | I turned off mitigation's but not seeing any performance difference... is it just me? | 16:49 |
| gulo | tomreyn, Thanks, I will try asking over there. I know the autoinstall stuff is super new, so there is almost no Ubuntu documentation on it. So I was reading through the curtin documentation, but it appears the syntax isn't 1:1. | 17:04 |
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| jpmh__ | sarnold: hey, JPMH here - you were helpng me with a terminal width issue yesterday - then we had a storm here and I lost connection - so, wondering if you came up with any ideas after I lost comnnection | 18:45 |
| rjb | hi all, is it intended by booting into recovery mode to be root without any password asked? | 18:51 |
| rfm | rjb, well yeah, since one of the things it's used to recover from is forgetting a password. | 18:55 |
| rjb | rfm: so i could as well have autologin enabled (almost) | 18:56 |
| rjb | with this, anyone can easily gain access to everything :( | 18:58 |
| akik | jpmh__: did you try using TERM=xterm on your local terminal? | 18:59 |
| rfm | rjb, if somebody can walk up to the computer and reboot it, they can get in. only disk encryption would protect against that. | 18:59 |
| EtherMan | Anyone know what happened to freeipa-server in 20.04? It was there in 16.04 and 18.04, and in 19.10, but now suddenly missing in 20.04? Did it move to a PPA or? | 19:00 |
| rjb | rfm: agreed, but why was disk encryption (at least for user's home directories) removed from standard installation? | 19:00 |
| gregg | Hello. I am having a problem with a Marvell 88SE9485 SAS/SATA 6Gb/s controller. Since (I think) a kernel update, the HDDs attached to the controller are not detected. | 19:02 |
| rfm | rjb (a) last time I ran an install encryption was still there (b) I wouldn't know why any more than you would. | 19:02 |
| ioria | rjb, because it uses eCryptfs, which is considered buggy and unmaintained; and you don't need recovery for that; just boot a livecd and mount the partition | 19:03 |
| gulo | EtherMan, some packages are still being updated for 20.04. Not everyone has caught up with the new distribution yet. I have seen this for a bunch of packages, but I haven't looked specifically at freeipa yet. | 19:03 |
| EtherMan | gulo, ah. Thanks. Only server is missing which had be a bit confused. Had it all been removed I was thinking it could be like maintainer leaving or something but that felt unlikely when client was there :) | 19:04 |
| rjb | ioria: ok, thanks. that's a pitty. is there another suggested way of encrypting home folders? | 19:06 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: seems to have been removed off debian (except for sid=unstable) https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/freeipa | 19:06 |
| rjb | rfm: at least in 20.04 the encryption option it is removed | 19:06 |
| ioria | rjb, luks is enough | 19:07 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn, was never in anything but testing, unstable and experimental though. | 19:09 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: my point is it was removed off debian testing, thus didn't land in ubuntu universe for 20.04 | 19:09 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn, eh? Is Ubuntu LTS releases tied to Debian's testing release? O_o | 19:10 |
| rjb | ioria: thanks | 19:10 |
| ioria | ok | 19:10 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn, And even so, the freeipa-client isn't in testing anymore either... But that is available in 20.04. | 19:11 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess states that LTS release packages may be (or are) synced from debian testing. | 19:16 |
| EtherMan | O_o that seems a bit insecure to take testing packages for LTS but ok | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: those packages in repositories supported by the ubuntu security team (so not universe) are usually in good shape regarding security. | 19:20 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn, Security isn't the only thing of concern IMO when running LTS releases. Stability should also be one, and they're in testing exactly because they have not yet been tested for long term stability yet. | 19:21 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: a better place to discuss is #ubuntu-discuss | 19:22 |
| EtherMan | Wasn't my intent to discuss it so it's fine. Just surprising to hear | 19:22 |
| sublim20 | is there any issue with running 16.04? got a friend that is new to linux, and has been running 16.04 for a while, and uhhh, they refuse to upgrade (mostly cause its new and scary to them). | 19:23 |
| gulo | sublim20, Just means they won't get any security updates, and some package updates and installs will start to fail. | 19:25 |
| sublim20 | gulo, whoa. security updates? that's pretty serious. | 19:25 |
| tomreyn | sublim20: as long as they run ubuntu or kubuntu, they're fine for another year. | 19:25 |
| gulo | Oh, my bad, yeah security updates continue for another couple years after EOL. | 19:26 |
| sublim20 | tomreyn, gulo, thanks for the responses btw. | 19:26 |
| tomreyn | only with !esm, gulo | 19:26 |
| sublim20 | so they got another of pestering, till its 'no, you have to do this' | 19:27 |
| tomreyn | (and only select packages) | 19:27 |
| sublim20 | *another YEAR | 19:27 |
| EtherMan | sublim20, Only thing 16.04 won't get anymore is hardware updates. As in support for newer hardware and such. But maintainance updates continue for it until 2021 so for another year. And then 2024 the ESM also ends. So until then, you should be fine for running on say older hardware. | 19:27 |
| sublim20 | whats ESM? | 19:27 |
| tomreyn | !esm | 19:27 |
| ubottu | Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly. | 19:27 |
| sublim20 | oh ok. yeah, they're not a paying customer. so they gotta update this year. | 19:28 |
| sublim20 | would it be alright to copy this conversation and paste it in an email? hearing it from others might change their mind | 19:29 |
| tomreyn | sublim20: actually i was wrong, kubuntu 16.04 is EOL already. | 19:29 |
| tomreyn | kylin isnt | 19:29 |
| sublim20 | they're on ubuntu | 19:29 |
| ioria | good, ìcause ,iirc, kubuntu support is 3 years | 19:30 |
| tomreyn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL | 19:30 |
| tomreyn | ioria is right | 19:30 |
| ioria | ok | 19:30 |
| sublim20 | thanks all. | 19:31 |
| ioria | the desktop part, i mean (not the core) | 19:32 |
| tomreyn | sublim20: note that upgrades are only supported *from* releases that are not EOL. | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | sublim20: so they'd need to do it in advance. if you want to suggest upgrading, also take into account that 32-bit x86 support has been dropped and that hardware requirements have been raised for newer releases. | 19:34 |
| sublim20 | tomreyn, whoa, 32bit support has been dropped? that's pretty big. how will people, who need to run 32bit software in wine, get around? | 19:35 |
| tomreyn | there are still some 32-bit packages available with the amd64 system, but 32-bit installations are no more. | 19:36 |
| sublim20 | as for the hardware requirements, to quote rocky 4, if it dies, it dies. | 19:36 |
| sublim20 | tomreyn, so 32bit legacy software can still run in 20.04 under wine? | 19:37 |
| akik | sublim20: some of the 18.04 flavors have the 32-bit installer | 19:37 |
| tomreyn | !32bit | sublim20 | 19:38 |
| ubottu | sublim20: For information about the future of support for i386 packages in Ubuntu 19.10 Eoan Ermine and onward, please read the following official statement: https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts . Note this applies only to i386 (Intel/AMD) builds, not other 32-bit architectures like arm. | 19:38 |
| sublim20 | tomreyn, reading that link now | 19:39 |
| ViperXL75 | I've been trying to find out what is causing my gnome to lock up on my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (and also Debian stretch). It'll freeze up and only my mouse can move. Nothing else responds. I have to kill the "gdm3" process through ssh for system to become responsive again. How to investigate this further? | 19:39 |
| sublim20 | 32bit support has to end at some point, but, wow, never thought that that day would come. just figured that can would be forever kicked down the road | 19:40 |
| tomreyn | ViperXL75: when it happens, try switching to a !tty and examine the situation using dmesg | tail and journalctl. if this doesn't work, use !sysrq to reboot without loosing most logs and after rebooting review joujrnalctl. | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | * journalctl | 19:41 |
| ViperXL75 | okay | 19:42 |
| tomreyn | ViperXL75: if there are no errors by the end of these logs, look into kernel debugging instead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks | 19:42 |
| jpmh__ | I am having an issue with bash (and only bash, as far as I can tell) where for some reason, when I am using it via terminal and ssh after 86 characters the cursor jumps back the first column - stty etc all correctly tell me that my window is 129 characters and even /bin/sh works fine. Any ideas | 20:12 |
| akik | jpmh__: did you try TERM=xterm on your local terminal? | 20:13 |
| jpmh__ | akik: yes | 20:16 |
| akik | export TERM=xterm | 20:16 |
| specter | i would do $ export TERM=xterm-256color | 20:16 |
| akik | jpmh__: what's the os of the server you're logging into? | 20:16 |
| jpmh__ | akik: some 18.4 a few 20.4 | 20:18 |
| akik | 18.04 and 20.04 | 20:18 |
| jpmh__ | akik: yes, excuse the lack of zeros | 20:19 |
| akik | jpmh__: do you have some server where this doesn't happen? | 20:19 |
| jpmh__ | akik: not as far as I know - and I do have hundreds of instances | 20:20 |
| akik | jpmh__: could you create a new user account on both the client and on the server and test with those? | 20:22 |
| jpmh__ | akik: easily - a GREAT idea - I'll try that right now - BRB | 20:22 |
| jpmh__ | akik: TY - here is the problem, and it is thanks to your idea - I was connecting and my teminal was setting TERM as xterm-256color - but then I was doing a TERM=xterm in my .bashrc, and then I do a screen, since I always run unders screen - turns out, and I will think this true - that the sequence here is importamt. With the new account I connected,, then export TERM=xterm, then my screen and all is GREAT! | 20:26 |
| jpmh__ | akik: TY | 20:27 |
| akik | hey great | 20:27 |
| akik | next thing i was going to suggest was testing with another local terminal emulator :) | 20:27 |
| gulo | I had posted this on the Ubuntu forums a couple of days ago as well, but I have a problem where some applications are not being drawn properly in my fluxbox GUI on 20.04. One example is OBS when I open it, it mirrors all of the bottom controls more than once depending on the size of the window. I have this problem in a CAD application that I use as well. | 20:33 |
| jpmh__ | akik: YES - I just need to think through why the sequence is so important | 20:33 |
| gulo | I'm not really sure how to even begin to troubleshoot this. I think this might be related to QT, but I could be wrong. I had this problem in 19.10 as well. | 20:33 |
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| jpmh__ | akik: in case you care - the problem is/was that screen grabs settings from TERM and then changes the TERM=screen - so we need to do the reset to xterm BEFORE screen, for some reason - I'll think this through and experiment a bit more - but TY akik | 20:42 |
| electrostrong | does anyone know if you can transition to an encrypted disk if you didnt start with lvm? I have a raid md6 config and need to encrypt the data..... | 20:52 |
| electrostrong | and it's a massive array...cant easily copy off and back to it... | 20:52 |
| tomreyn | do you have backups, though? | 20:53 |
| electrostrong | yep | 20:54 |
| tomreyn | you can use cryptsetup-reencrypt to add a cryptolayer underneath. read it's manual well, it's not simple to use. | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | also, this won't add lvm | 20:55 |
| electrostrong | got it - thx - might just have to bite the bullet and backup/restore with lvm encryption if it's overly complex | 20:56 |
| tomreyn | i don't think there is "lvm encryption", unless you mean dmcrypt-luks encrypting an lvm pv | 20:57 |
| TheFu | Wow, I'd be afraid to use cryptsetup-reencrypt. I'd definitely test it on a separate block device/VM before. | 21:12 |
| TheFu | The warnings in the 16.04 manpage are pretty clear. "THIS TOOL IS EXPERIMENTAL" <--- all caps in the manpage. In 20.04, the other warnings remain, but that has been removed. | 21:14 |
| robertparkerx | my znc suddenly will not open webadmin | 21:25 |
| robertparkerx | I see it listening on the correct port though | 21:25 |
| robertparkerx | it returns empty response | 21:25 |
| Intelo | Any solution to this? using timux, vim, putty https://ibb.co/GTDHfkg | 21:27 |
| Intelo | the doted lines do not let me go full screen. I can in linux but in windows/putty, I cannot do ctrl+ or mouse scroll to zoom. https://ibb.co/GTDHfkg | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | are you asking questions regarding the graphical putty SSH client for windows in #ubuntu? | 21:29 |
| Intelo | tomreyn, yes because I am using tmux, vim, all are linux based | 21:30 |
| oerheks | and those dotted lines .. is a picture? | 21:31 |
| tomreyn | hmm not sure i can follow. maybe you could describe how those are stacked up | 21:31 |
| tomreyn | your screenshot is so low quality it's hard to see anything | 21:32 |
| paint-it-black | mixed architecture install iso? | 21:38 |
| tomreyn | no, thanks. | 21:38 |
| paint-it-black | hah | 21:39 |
| oerheks | interesting idea, not useable. | 21:39 |
| paint-it-black | Debian has one, but drivers are missing. Ubuntu says they mixed architecture but there is no 32 bit UEFI on the image. | 21:39 |
| oerheks | ubuntu does not claim such interesting thought. | 21:40 |
| oerheks | if you have an 64 bit machine with 32 bit uefi, there is an ugly hack, without guarantee all hardware would work. | 21:41 |
| paint-it-black | ah ok, must have misunderstood the article ... so there is no 32 bit UEFI on the amd64 bit media, no option for such media, just hack it together? | 21:43 |
| oerheks | see the uefi manul | 21:46 |
| oerheks | !uefi | 21:46 |
| ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 21:46 |
| celular | I created an image iso using dd like dd if=/dev/sdc5 of=/folder/image.iso | 21:48 |
| celular | now I want to restore it into sdc5 again how do I do that? | 21:48 |
| celular | dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdc5 doesn't work | 21:49 |
| newdimension | Was anything regarding libffi.so.6 changed in 19 > 20.04 ? I'm getting an error that says this it's missing, and this seems like a system package | 21:49 |
| celular | the image is store in a usb flash drive | 21:50 |
| celular | does anyone knows? | 21:50 |
| nikolam | Where can I take a look at the exact LICENSE of an application I am offered to install from SNAP STORE, BEFORE, I cna install application? | 21:51 |
| nikolam | That is because ALL applications in the world offer user to first SEE the license, BEFORE install, to evaluate IF user wants to ACCEPT applicaiton license before installation. | 21:52 |
| nikolam | If Snap Store does NOT display ANY application license before installing snap application, Snap store does not fulfill requirements of ANY APLICATION AT THE SNAP STORE.. | 21:53 |
| Smashcat | Hi, anyone know if there will be any issues wiping a 16.04 installation and installing 18.04 on a server with a RAID5 array (OS is on an SSD, separate to the RAID). Want to ensure I don't have to rebuild RAID if possible | 21:55 |
| nikolam | Sorry, Snap Store Does not fulfill requirements of any license of all applictions in all Snap store, e.g. by not displaying their licenses AT ALL. | 21:55 |
| nikolam | E.G. Snap store brake all licenses requirements of all Snap Store applications. | 21:56 |
| hggdh | nikolam: try #snappy. | 21:56 |
| nikolam | hggdh, thanks | 21:56 |
| nikolam | hggdh, isn't Snap store part of ubuntu distribution? | 21:56 |
| hggdh | nikolam: and we read what you wrote here. But there is nothing we can do here | 21:56 |
| gulo | Smashcat, It kind of depends on your setup. But I do that all of the time. I have a mirrored RAID for my data drive, and I just wipe my SSD with my OS install. Although, I usually physically disconnect my data drives before I do a fresh install, just because I am little paranoid. | 21:59 |
| frad | where do I find the local configuration of vlc? | 21:59 |
| gulo | I just don't want to accidentally wipe out my data drives during an install is all. | 22:00 |
| Smashcat | gulo: Cool, I just want to check the version of md in 1804 is compatible with 16.04. I have a 20TB RAID5 array. Will take a while to rebuild it :) | 22:00 |
| gulo | frad, ~/.config/vlc | 22:00 |
| frad | strangest of things gulo , it's not there | 22:01 |
| gulo | Smashcat, I had a problem one time where there were some driver incompatibilities with my RAID card, and I panicked for about an hour before I sorted it out. | 22:01 |
| tomreyn | celular: "does not work" how? | 22:02 |
| Smashcat | gulo: Heh, yeah I've had that on Adaptec cards before - hard to recompile kernel | 22:02 |
| gulo | frad, you can always do a search for the vlc config files. The two files I have in my .config/vlc are vlc-qt-interface.conf and vlcrc | 22:03 |
| gulo | Smashcat, Yup, definitely gets your heart racing for a bit | 22:04 |
| Smashcat | :-) | 22:04 |
| frad | gulo, I found it under snap. wtf is snap? | 22:05 |
| tomreyn | !snao | frad | 22:06 |
| tomreyn | !snap | frad | 22:06 |
| ubottu | frad: Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io | 22:06 |
| frad | !terminal | 22:06 |
| ubottu | The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. In Unity or GNOME, search the dash for "terminal" and press ENTER. Other desktops: Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal (MATE), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | 22:06 |
| frad | nice | 22:06 |
| Smashcat | Well that was easy - upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 and the only problem was named not restarting :) | 22:57 |
| hansh | porting this command from 18.04 to 20.04 isn | 23:25 |
| hansh | isn't as easy as i expected: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/pxelinux.0 && echo OK | 23:25 |
| eblip | test | 23:30 |
| Bashing-om | !test | eblip | 23:31 |
| ubottu | eblip: Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... | 23:31 |
| hansh | > The new Ubuntu Server Installer now supports all Server hardware platforms, unattended autoinstall, offline installation, network-gapped install, PXE and HTTP boot, RAID, LVM, LUKS, among other things. | 23:31 |
| eblip | thanks ubottu | 23:31 |
| hansh | last time i tried the "The new Ubuntu Server Installer", it refused to install in a terminal window, got grumpy because there was no screen present, has that been fixed? | 23:32 |
| eblip | i am installing zoom on debian...and not sure if there is a snap issue ..i got this error https://bpa.st/J23A | 23:32 |
| eblip | been advised to speak to ogra | 23:32 |
| Bashing-om | !debian | eblip | 23:33 |
| ubottu | eblip: Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! | 23:33 |
| eblip | yes debian sent me here to speak to ogra | 23:33 |
| eblip | apparently could be an issue with snap, requiring interfaces not present in debians version | 23:34 |
| eblip | i think ogra will know from the error file i just posted. | 23:34 |
| loganlee | !deepin | 23:39 |
| loganlee | !deepin | loganlee | 23:39 |
| loganlee | ... | 23:39 |
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| oerheks | there is a deepin edition, ubuntudde, not (yet) official though | 23:41 |
| loganlee | !ubuntudde | 23:41 |
| oerheks | https://ubuntudde.com/ .. | 23:41 |
| oerheks | not on the ubuntu site, nor cdimage. so no ubottu factoids. | 23:41 |
| loganlee | ok | 23:42 |
| loganlee | deepin just looks like windows 10 | 23:42 |
| loganlee | which is not bad i suppose | 23:43 |
| gulo | I had posted this on the Ubuntu forums a couple of days ago as well, but I have a problem where some applications are not being drawn properly in my fluxbox GUI on 20.04. One example is OBS when I open it, it mirrors all of the bottom controls more than once depending on the size of the window. I have this problem in a CAD application that I use as well. I don't even know what to Google for to troubleshoot. | 23:43 |
| frad | !gmusicbrowser | 23:44 |
| travism | how do I compile with multilib? | 23:47 |
| leftyfb | eblip: try #snappy | 23:48 |
| travism | I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 | 23:48 |
| travism | travism@travism-Inspiron-7591-2n1:~/mesa-20.0.7$ sudo apt install $(for x in glslang-tools libdrm-dev libx11-dev libxxf86vm-dev libexpat1-dev libxfixes-dev linux-libc-dev libx11-xcb-dev libvdpau-dev libvulkan-dev libxcb-dri2-0-dev libxcb-glx0-dev libxcb-xfixes0-dev libxcb-dri3-dev libxcb-present-dev libxcb-randr0-dev libxcb-sync-dev libxrandr-dev libxshmfence-dev libzstd-dev python3-dev python3 libelf-dev libwayland-dev libwayland- | 23:48 |
| travism | egl-backend-dev llvm-10-dev libclang-10-dev zlib1g-dev libglvnd-dev; do echo -n $x:i386\ ; done) | 23:48 |
| travism | and I run that and it complains a bit I have one more line of outpit | 23:49 |
| eblip | thanks leftyfb | 23:49 |
| travism | um something about how python3-distutils:i386 is broken somehow | 23:50 |
| travism | it says it's already installed | 23:50 |
| oerheks | interesting, mesa-20.0.7 ? | 23:51 |
| travism | yes | 23:52 |
| travism | it has a little fix for mpv | 23:52 |
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