[01:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I did something for you (and me): switched the default menu to something like Xfce's *old* default, which I think is the menu you prefer. I believe the menu is called "Kicker".
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Scratch that, it didn't work. It's not as default-configurable as Kickoff.
[05:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the default plasma menu is pretty close to whisker, which a lot of people has liked
[05:36] <OvenWerks> though the win95 style menu does provide a search box too
[05:50] <OvenWerks> I think it would have to be set as part of the panel
[05:51] <OvenWerks> it says kicker is the panel... ok
[05:57] <OvenWerks> it may be the applications launcher that needs to be configured.
[05:58] <OvenWerks> the problem is... I don't seem to be able to find either the kicker/panel/whatever or application launcher config in my home directory.. so no hint where to look in the system
[05:59] <OvenWerks> there is no nice plasma directory in /etc/xdg/ like xfce has
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, the thing is that Plasma uses a different configuration for the way its menus are configured specifically while still honoring XDG for the menus themselves. Either way, it's not a huge issue, it was just an experiment. Easy commit to revert.
[16:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Ardour 6.0 is official.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> Now we just wait for Debian... but I might come up with a plan B if Feature Freeze starts creeping up.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: RWT headphones, I was going to offer options on plugin in/out. switch, mute speakers only (leave headphone levels up), nothing. 
[17:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am trying to think what the user "expects". In the case where PCH is not even in use right now.
[17:19] <OvenWerks> for example.
[17:23]  * OvenWerks is thinking out loud
[18:42] <OvenWerks> If someone plugs in phones, they expect to hear audio in them. And I think they expect audio from the speakers to vanish too.
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, I think you've mentioned this before.
[19:14] <OvenWerks> yeah, So... I think I will leave the phones level alone and the speaker level alone but use the mutes to switch.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> That way the levels will remain. However, if the phones level is -inf, then I think we need to set it to -10 on plug.