[17:42] <sharky_pi> Hi folks, anyone up for a quick chat about fstab docs?
[17:46] <sharky_pi> ok well in case people circle back to this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[17:46] <sharky_pi> 1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Pass_.28fsck_order.29
[17:48] <sharky_pi> Pass: I feel it would be good to add a line of context to guide users on how and when to use pass. This is already begun, ("In practice...") but could be completed by giving a bit more info about whether one SHOULD fsck drives. The impression I get is that the value should be 2 for ext2/3/4 drives, and 0 for ntfs drives. But I'm not confident about
[17:48] <sharky_pi> that.
[17:49] <sharky_pi> 2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Options
[17:50] <sharky_pi> Common options, 9: "user" - in all the examples below and elsewhere on the web, the nearest term used is "users". Is "user" therefore a typo, or are these different things?
[17:51] <sharky_pi> 3. Options 3.1 "I advise" doesn't mention uid or gid, perhaps it should given they're in the examples?
[17:51] <sharky_pi> 4. Examples, gid=100 is given but gid=1000 is the norm, as I understand it. Again, is 100 a typo when it should be 1000 in the examples?
[17:54] <sharky_pi> 5. For 20.04 and feasibly prior versions, should one install ntfs-3g and ntfs-config before editing fstab? This is advised in old fstab guides but I don't know if it's now moot or if these are included in the OS by default
[17:54] <sharky_pi> 6. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#New_Technology_File_System_.28NTFS.29
[17:57] <sharky_pi> For ntfs, explaining how to get locales is helpful. It might be nice to also add a line of context explaining why one might want to set these, e.g. from ArchWiki
[17:58] <sharky_pi> "Locales are used for rendering text, correctly displaying regional monetary values, time and date formats, alphabetic idiosyncrasies, and other locale-specific standards."
[17:59] <sharky_pi> 7, finally: on the contact y'all page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact) the URL for this chat is http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=ubuntu-doc but that timed out & failed for me. Might work for others. But perhaps the https://webchat.freenode.net/ would be better?
[18:02] <pleia2> sharky_pi: everything under /community is a wiki, so you can edit it yourself if you join the wiki editors team, let me get the link
[18:03] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[18:03] <sharky_pi> certainly happy to do so but wanted to bounce some of this off others first, as a MASSIVELY don't want to make edits which are wrong! haha
[18:03] <pleia2> others can't update it for you, since we're not experts on everything :)
[18:03] <pleia2> your edits do seem reasonable though
[18:03] <sharky_pi> totally fair enough. just wondering if anyone would mind looking at these proposals and
[18:04] <sharky_pi> yeah exactly that, just seeing if i'm getting completely the wrong end of the stick somewhere
[18:04] <pleia2> these were just written by folks who have a bit of time, so there's always room for improvement
[18:04] <pleia2> details aren't ommitted intentionally
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks for your help!
[18:06] <sharky_pi> thanks pleia. I'll sign up with the link (thanks again)
[18:08] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide has more information about contributing and how things are organized
[18:09] <pleia2> I'll warn you, it's sometimes a little tricky to log in and sometimes you have to clear caches to get rid of the Immutable Page link once you're re-logged in after you're added to the team
[18:09] <pleia2> a lot of protections had to be put in due to bad spam :(
[18:12] <sharky_pi> interesting, i'm literally looking into that issue now
[18:14] <sharky_pi> completely fresh system, any time i go to login.ubuntu.com I get the ubuntuOne signin page which prepopulates with my old email & password, then flashes to my new email, then old, about 10X in 1 second, then stops at my old email. This isn't stored in firefox, the new working details are stored in lastpass, so I have no idea how the old details
[18:14] <sharky_pi> remain, and subsequently I frrequently can't login and typically give up
[18:14] <sharky_pi> (I try populating with new details manually or using lastpass but upon clicking submit, it's overwritten by the old info)
[18:15] <pleia2> it sometimes takes me a few tries to log in, but usually I am facing timeout issues x_x
[18:16] <sharky_pi> can you think of who might be responsible for this section of the site? I've been bamboozled by this behaviour for years now
[18:17] <pleia2> the folks in #canonical-sysadmin
[18:17] <sharky_pi> I figure it *HAS* to be stored within the site itself, since I have an empty firefox password manager and a blank cache
[18:18] <sharky_pi> ooh, is that a freenode channel? thansk!
[18:18] <pleia2> they're very aware of the problem, but there is no investment or resources for improving the situation
[18:18] <sharky_pi> *thanks
[18:18] <sharky_pi> ahaa. Boo.
[18:18] <pleia2> it's been like this for a few years
[18:18] <pleia2> the real solution is switching to wiki software that can handle the scale of the wiki, MoinMoin wasn't built to be as big as the Ubuntu wikis go
[18:18] <pleia2> t
[18:18] <pleia2> but that's a massive project :(
[18:19] <sharky_pi> yup. alas :(
[18:20] <pleia2> sorry to be a downer!
[18:22] <sharky_pi> hey not at all - MUCH rather get confirmation of bad news than continue in ambiguity! I'm asking the sysadmin channel now, so fingers crossed they can tweak it on the backend
[18:23] <pleia2> I think a large chunk of the team is in the UK, so hopefully you can get someone's attention
[18:23] <pleia2> if you strike out, you can also submit a ticket to them via rt@ubuntu.com
[18:23] <sharky_pi> great stuff, will do, thanks again