[00:00] <Eickmeyer> I believe it was a new version of libc, so there was a LOT that had to be rebuild against it.
[00:00] <sirriffsalothp> *sigh* new install it is. Sorry for the idiotic questions, but I just have no idea with this stuff
[00:01] <Eickmeyer> Ha, no worries.
[00:02] <sirriffsalothp> Alright, doing a re-install, rofl
[00:02] <sirriffsalothp> I love the Pollock-style background you guys added by the way, it's sick
[00:03] <sirriffsalothp> Reinstall -->
[00:34] <sirriffsalothp> That was quick
[00:34] <sirriffsalothp> a-Compressor is now there, but now General MIDI is acting up
[00:35] <sirriffsalothp> The general midi plugin thingy that goes in a standard midi-track in ardour that is
[00:40] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I'm really going to miss Catia though... :)
[00:49] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: Carla has the exact same patchbay as Catia built-in.
[00:49] <Eickmeyer> The patchbay tab is identical to Catia.
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Same code even.
[00:51] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: omg, there it is... lol
[00:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Any ideas on general midi in Ardour? ^
[00:52] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: without the repos I'll be missing some TAL-plugins though, and I'm having trouble finding out how to get them where they should be. Like tal-reverb III for instance
[00:54] <sirriffsalothp> This question might save you some time if there is an answe to it... I've been looking through the .ardour file for where ardour is trying to fetch my plugins from, so I know where to download and drop them into, but I'm having no luck working that out. How can I see where ardour is trying to get them from?
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Well, you can always go to the actual repo and download them individually. Also, the Ubuntu Studio Backports has dragonfly-reverb.
[00:55] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I will use them, I swear. But I have to mixes that are 80% finished, once those are out of the way, I'll try to be religiously UB for a while, see how it goes
[00:55] <Eickmeyer> Ardour's preferences show where it looks for reverbs. I don't have my system up in front of me.
[00:55] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: yeah, but the ones in particular that are missing/made as inactive stubs, how can I tell where this one should be found?
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: You can add them individually here: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/ubuntu/plugins/+packages
[00:56] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: good idea for the repo-thing, thanks
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> Are you talking about the tap-lv2 packages?
[00:58] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I went here and fetched them, that would amount to the same, correct? https://kx.studio/Repositories:Plugins
[00:58] <sirriffsalothp> Again, sorry for wasting your time on this, I had no idea this would turn into such a wrench
[00:58] <Eickmeyer> Well, it comes from the same place.
[00:58] <sirriffsalothp> Nice
[00:58] <sirriffsalothp> tap..? hmm
[00:59] <sirriffsalothp> Nope, the tap-plugins are already installed
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it's part of distrho-ports. I might have to look into packaging these.
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> This page you showed me is completely new since the last time I looked.
[01:00] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: you lost me now?
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, was thinking aloud.
[01:00] <sirriffsalothp> You only saw the that kxstudio repo-page now..?
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> Either way, that page you linked shows where to get them.
[01:00] <sirriffsalothp> Yeah, working on it
[01:01] <Eickmeyer> I want these in Ubuntu. As long as they're open source, then they should be good.
[01:02] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: yeah, they're sweet plugins. We're making headway, the tal plugins are now in place
[01:03] <sirriffsalothp> That just leaves the General MIDI-synth (not that important for the moment), and, more importantly, this Graillon autotune I discovered
[01:03] <sirriffsalothp> It's pretty neat by the way, you might consider adding it as some of the autotunes you're sporting are very counter-intuitive for people who aren't accustomed to writing midi-notes et cetera
[01:04] <Eickmeyer> I'm just going to go through the page you showed me and cross-compile it against what's in the repos and figure out what I need to package.
[01:05] <sirriffsalothp> But this Graillon package I remember fetching gave three options for GNU/Lin, LV2, VST3 and VST... I can't remember which one I chose to use and where exactly I put it, that's why I wonder how I can check where ardour is expecting to find it
[01:05] <Eickmeyer> Why not install all 3?
[01:06] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I'm too stupid to understand where I should put them atm, lol
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> Uh... you don't. You install the .deb package like a normal deb package.
[01:06] <sirriffsalothp> It's not a .deb
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhh....
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> For Linux users:
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> • Copy the LV2 plug-in in your LV2 directory
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> • Copy the VST2 plug-in in your VST2 directory
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> Then ~/.lv2 ~/.vst
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> • Copy the VST3 plug-in (a .vst3 directory) in your VST3 directory
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> ~/.vst3
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> Hmm, okay, sec
[01:07] <sirriffsalothp> By the way, huge thanks for being so patient with me :P
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> No worries.
[01:08] <sirriffsalothp> I'm actually getting paid to do some mixing these days, so I can't risk something being f'ed up now with other peoples' tunes
[01:08] <Eickmeyer> Oh, absolutely!
[01:09] <sirriffsalothp> Needless to say, I'm not the one using the autotune for my vocals, a couple rappers requested it *uhuh*
[01:09] <sirriffsalothp> By the way, this august will be my 10th anniversary for using ubuntu studio (I think), you've been at it for as long as I can remember using ardour anyways
[01:10] <sirriffsalothp> So here's to you people, if any of you developer are in Norway, hit me up and I'll treat you some beers, lol
[01:10] <sirriffsalothp> developers*
[01:11] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: for the General MIDI Synth problem, this might solve it? https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-gmsynth
[01:11] <Eickmeyer> I think the closest might be Ross, and he's in Denmark
[01:11] <Eickmeyer> That's probably the one.
[01:14] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I imagine there have been loads in inquests like these, it's a shame I couldn't find any tutorials for those who have this kind of problem. I've gotten into making tutorial videos for friends on certain issues, and they tell me I should do more as they're easy to follow. If I made one that covers this, for those who were absolutely clueless as to how to solve this, would that be something you guys could slap out there somewhere
[01:14] <sirriffsalothp> for people to watch?
[01:14] <sirriffsalothp> loads of*
[01:15] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'd link it.
[01:16] <sirriffsalothp> Kay, I'll keep you posted
[01:16] <Eickmeyer> We need people making tutorial videos and doing documentation. It seems I can't find anybody to do stuff like that.
[01:16] <sirriffsalothp> I imagine it is boring, for the most part. But a tutorial-video on this would be a piece of cake, even for me.
[01:17] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: by the way, it seems I don't have any ~/.vst or .lv2 folders there :-S
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> Make them.
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> "mkdir ~/.lv2 && mkdir ~/.vst"
[01:18] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I just wonder if ardour will know to look there... hang on
[01:18] <sirriffsalothp> Since I do recall never making those folders to begin with
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, they're not default folders.
[01:20] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: does ardour search recursively for them, or will they have to be just the file itself?
[01:20] <sirriffsalothp> Inside the .lv2 folder that is, for instance
[01:20] <Eickmeyer> Should be recursive.
[01:20] <sirriffsalothp> Mkay
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> https://manual.ardour.org/appendix/files-and-directories/
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> That explains everything.
[01:24] <sirriffsalothp> Huh, that solved it, for both the autotune and General Midi Synth
[01:25] <sirriffsalothp> I imagine a lot of people use the general midi synth, a lot of good samples there, might wanna add that to US?
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> Like I said, I want to add everything that's there to Studio.
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> I don't want anyone to have a reason to add KXStudio.
[01:26] <sirriffsalothp> Lol, nice. Feels good having contributed, but also probably saving myself a lot of time later down the road with this
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> I've been working on this for two years, but have had to stop for the LTS release. I'll probably startup again soon.
[01:27] <Eickmeyer> Now that I have the full Ubuntu Studio packageset, it will at least be easier to keep things updated.
[01:27] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: what's the "this" you speak of? Fixing this wrestle with kxstudio-repo issues?
[01:28] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[01:29] <sirriffsalothp> Aight, I guess this was a prime example of some issues that doubtlessly will come up. I'll try opening all of my sessions if I have time and see what else might happen (unless it's an obvious fix from the website we saw, in which case I won't mention it)
[01:29] <Eickmeyer> Right. At least I can get people to the page to download the plugins they need.
[01:29] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I have some sessions with ideas floating around that were from back when Ardour was still in A2-A3... lol
[01:30] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: yeah, cheers
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> You too!
[01:30] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: while we're at it, what are your thoughts on the Enlightenment DE?
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> I've only messed around with it. Hard to take seriously as a full-fledged DE though.
[01:31] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: how come?
[01:31] <sirriffsalothp> I've loved it for a long time, but it does have issues that just seem to have stuck for ages..
[01:31] <Eickmeyer> Well, I don't know. I think part of it is it's not exaclty in Debian or Ubuntu, so that would mean packaging it myself, which also means I'd have to maintain a whole DE... *snowball*
[01:32] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: oh, rofl, I didn't mean as in "what do you think about using E in US", more just in general
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> Ohhh... yeah, it seems nice.
[01:37] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: kay, well now I can sleep tonight. Thanks again, man! I'll let you know once a comprehensive tutorial is on the way
[01:37] <Eickmeyer> Hehe, glad to help. :)
[01:40] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: wow, some of my biggest sessions (150 tracks) open up without fault. To think that all I needed were a few plugins fetched directly, and here I've been installing an entire repo that partly shreds my US.. lol
[01:40] <sirriffsalothp> Catch you later! :)
[01:42] <Eickmeyer> See ya!
[10:40] <AppAraat[m]> OvenWerks: One other thing I can try I guess is just upgrade to 20.04 and hope that solves the issue.
[10:41] <AppAraat[m]> Is it recommended to upgrade from 18.04 (obviously after uninstalling the extended support PPA), or to just do a clean install?
[10:42] <AppAraat[m]> I usually always wait until a .1 release of an Ubuntu LTS, but maybe this is my only option.
[14:51] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: I can not really comment on the upgrade option. In my case I almost always do a fresh install. but Eickmeyer has done the upgrade with success. 20.04 is better than 18.04 so far as I can tell. I have been using it as my daily desk for over a month now. (Studio on to of kubuntu actually) I have not had any difficultys. However, my application uses may not be the same as your's. I do
[14:51] <OvenWerks> run jack as my back end, and have have run Ardour and some other audio apps.
[17:33] <AppAraat[m]> Hmm I see. I think I'll just do a clean install then to be sure.
[18:50] <AppAraat[m]> <aprt_test[m] "image.png"> It's interesting how the "Capture" level says "CAPTURE" with L and R above it in red, while here (where capture doesn't work) it's just stripes:
[18:50]  * AppAraat[m] uploaded an image: image.png (47KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MJpgqGGaDjZAYlUsEPuQniUC >
[18:50] <AppAraat[m]> I wonder why that is, perhaps a certain module isn't loaded?
[18:51] <AppAraat[m]> hmm doubt - https://paste.debian.net/plain/1149592/
[18:57] <OvenWerks> mic boost doesn't help?
[18:59] <OvenWerks> Oh yeah that --- means it is turned off
[19:00] <OvenWerks> I can turn it on with qasmixer
[19:01] <OvenWerks> space bar should turn it on in alsamixer
[19:01] <OvenWerks> (shows how much I use alsamixer... I had to look it up)
[19:03] <OvenWerks> Also, looking at my HDA internal interface, it is three devices.
[19:05] <OvenWerks> So my HDA shows two inputs HDA,0,0 and HDA,2,0
[19:06] <OvenWerks> it also has two outputs: HDA,0,0 and HDA,1,0
[19:07] <OvenWerks> In the case of the output, HDA,1,0 is my digital output but with HDA,2,0 it is labeled as "Alt Analog".
[19:07] <OvenWerks> maybe one is front and the other is the rear
[19:09]  * OvenWerks doesn't actually ever use his internal audio aside from seeing it it can be connected to.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> I use a Delta 66 for all my audio.
[19:49] <AppAraat[m]> > space bar should turn it on in alsamixer
[19:49] <AppAraat[m]> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:49] <AppAraat[m]> OMFG!
[19:50] <AppAraat[m]> AUDACITY REGISTERS AUDIO FROM INTERNAL MIC WOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:52] <veremitz> \o/
[19:57]  * OvenWerks is surprised that pulse doesn't turn capture on when it gets used...
[20:00] <AppAraat[m]> PA not working when you need it the most has been more or less my previous experience :p
[20:01] <OvenWerks> :)
[20:01]  * AppAraat[m] is crossing fingers that audio just works on my Steam games
[21:09] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: hey man. I wonder with Carla, is there a way to start jackd, as in Catia, without having to use Qjackctl or other means..?
[21:11] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: I can't find a way to select my external sound card with it, et ceteral
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: There is, but you'll find the options aren't as robust as Ubuntu Studio Controls.
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> Also, Ubuntu Studio Controls works out of the box for pretty much everything and actually allows for multiple audio devices.
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> qjackctl will only let you do one at a time, same with Catia and Carla.
[21:14] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: ooh, how did I miss this... USCtrl looks great
[21:15] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: once again, sorry, old habits make it difficult to think exploratory
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> We've upstreamed it, so soon it will simply be named "Studio Controls" and automaticlally replaced in the Backports.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> It's already available in Fedora and will be included by default in Fedora Jam 33.
[21:17] <sirriffsalothp> Cool, looks great, thanks
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[21:18] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: why only performance/powersave though? Why not an "ondemand" function as well?
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> (OvenWerks is the author)
[21:19] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: it depends on the cpu you have
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: Also, whatever explanation he comes up with, ondemand isn't an option in all distros.
[21:19] <OvenWerks> modern intel cpus powersave is much better than powersave
[21:19] <OvenWerks> *ondemand
[21:20] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: hm, ok. Is there a way to make USC start jack automatically once I make USC start automatically at startup?
[21:20] <OvenWerks> powersave changes speed faster and does not require the OS to monitor the cpu load
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: All settings on it persist.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Meaning, if jack was running when you shut off the machine, it will start when you sign back in.
[21:20] <OvenWerks> ondemand actually uses more power in some cases than performance
[21:21] <OvenWerks> you do not need to start usc at asession start
[21:21] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: yes, but I'd like my system to run the jack audio server as soon as it boots
[21:21] <sirriffsalothp> Oh...
[21:21] <OvenWerks> autojack already does that and studio controls tells autojack what to do.
[21:21] <sirriffsalothp> I see!
[21:22] <OvenWerks> the system will start up the way it was shutdown
[21:22] <OvenWerks> so if jack is running when you shutdown it will run when you start up
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> So, throw away everything you know about qjackctl and having to manually start Jack because those days are over.
[21:22] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: well the reason I ask is because now I have to tell ardour to connect to jack every time I open a session..
[21:22] <OvenWerks> That is why we hid qjackctl in a sub directory...
[21:23]  * Eickmeyer might even remove it from the seed.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> I don't see that here
[21:23] <OvenWerks> when I start ardour it is already connected to jack
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Same.
[21:24] <StevenJayCohen> Need a hand, I feel like I am missing at least 1 step: How do I remove all traces of UbuntuStudio from a vanilla Ubuntu reverting to the stock kernel?
[21:24] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: nop, every time I try to open a session I get the Audio/MIDI setup-prompt
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: You.... leaving... us....?
[21:24] <sirriffsalothp> And I swear this is a clean US install, no ppa's what so ever
[21:24] <OvenWerks> if you are using ardour with the alsa backend it should do that yes
[21:25] <StevenJayCohen> No, I thought there was a software issue and tried messing with stuff. Turns out there's a hardware issue on this machine and I need to revert just that 1 box to stock
[21:25] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: alsa backend..? I've never had to do this before, what's causing this then? :-S
[21:25] <StevenJayCohen> Dell is sending a tech to work on the machine on Monday and it needs to be stock 20.04
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Remove ubuntustudio-branding-common, linux-lowlatency, ubuntustudio-performance-tweaks.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> if jack is already running when ardour starts and jack was the used backend the last run (of that session)
[21:26] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: hmm
[21:26] <OvenWerks> (I think the back end is part of the session.. not sure)
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Also, if it's from the repos, I'm pretty sure Dell doesn't care.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Ubuntu Studio doesn't "mod" Ubuntu beyond what can be done by installing software from the repos.
[21:28] <sirriffsalothp> I opened a session with the correct jack settings, closed it, when I try to reopen it I still get the same prompt...
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> The lowlatency kernel is considered a subkernel of the generic one as far as Ubuntu is concerned.
[21:29] <StevenJayCohen> I told the phone support guy (Ubuntu user) what was up. He recommended that I revert it. He said that he's seen some techs find something odd and make a stink.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Then they're not operating within Dell's contract with Canonical.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: before opening ardour run jack_lsp in a terminal.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> if it errors... that would be why
[21:29] <StevenJayCohen> brb
[21:30] <OvenWerks> That is if ardour has to start jack then the dialog makes sense
[21:30] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: yeah, i do get an error
[21:30] <OvenWerks> so jack is not yet running
[21:30] <sirriffsalothp> However, if I start jack through qjackctl, no problems
[21:30] <sirriffsalothp> Wtf..
[21:30] <sirriffsalothp> Autojack is running
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: "sudo apt autoremove --purge ubuntustudio*" might actually do the trick.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> Ardour will will start jack but it will give the dialog first
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Warning: Untested.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> autojack running is not the saem as jack running
[21:31] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: ah, lol, well in that case we're back where we were. If there's no way to make USC run jack automatically, I guess I'll have to make qjackctl do it after all then, for instance?
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Though, it's possible that just removing the branding would do enough to ward-off overzealous Dell techs.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> that does not sound right
[21:32] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: go into ubuntustudio-controls, set the right device and hit the start/restart jack button
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: If Jack was already running via qjackctl or other means, then Ubuntu Studio Controls won't see it as running.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: then run jack_lsp again
[21:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it might
[21:33] <OvenWerks> in fact it should because it tried to create a jack client
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Users have reported that Controls won't detect an already-running Jack instance.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: that would tend to tell me they have named the server something other than default, run it it as root
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> I guess that's possible.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> or that what they mean is that it doesn't auto start jack the next time
[21:35] <sirriffsalothp> Trying stuff
[21:35] <OvenWerks> it will only auto start if jack was started by controls
[21:36] <OvenWerks> so long as jack is run as the same user, controls should be able to restart it. (even if borked)
[21:39] <sirriffsalothp> Humm
[21:42] <sirriffsalothp> My sessions are distorted as hell now, and I can't work out what on earth could be causing this..
[21:42] <sirriffsalothp> Audio from browser is the same
[21:42] <OvenWerks> odd
[21:42] <OvenWerks> but things are ok with jack started from qjackctl?
[21:43] <sirriffsalothp> Nah still distorted there too
[21:43] <sirriffsalothp> God dammit.. always something
[21:43] <OvenWerks> how does it sound with jack stopped?
[21:43] <OvenWerks> US-C stop jack.
[21:44] <sirriffsalothp> Okay so I stopped jack in USC
[21:44] <sirriffsalothp> I did a ps -A |grep jack, and autojack is still running
[21:44] <OvenWerks> (that will make sure pulse is restarted
[21:44] <OvenWerks> autojack should still be running
[21:44] <OvenWerks> it is waiting for a command to do something
[21:44] <OvenWerks> but is not jack itself
[21:45] <sirriffsalothp> Still distorted as fuck when my external sound card is chosen via pavucontrol
[21:45] <OvenWerks> good-ish
[21:45] <sirriffsalothp> Even if I lower it to 50% I can still hear that something iss off, the sound is distorted somehow
[21:45] <OvenWerks> at least it is not a jack problem anyway.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> external audio = USB?
[21:46] <sirriffsalothp> Yeah, I'm using the TASCAM US16x08
[21:46] <sirriffsalothp> I NEVER had this issue in 19.10
[21:47] <OvenWerks> right
[21:47] <sirriffsalothp> Real odd
[21:47] <OvenWerks> can it handle being unplugged and plugged?
[21:47] <sirriffsalothp> Trying to mess around with the settings in pulse but still the same...
[21:47] <sirriffsalothp> Sure, sec
[21:47] <OvenWerks> If it has external power a power cycle may be needed too
[21:48] <sirriffsalothp> I switched it on and off, still the same
[21:48] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: power cycle?
[21:48] <OvenWerks> same thing
[21:48] <sirriffsalothp> :P
[21:48] <OvenWerks> switch off/on which you did
[21:49] <sirriffsalothp> Yah... other ideas?
[21:49] <OvenWerks> does it have extrenal sync options?
[21:49] <OvenWerks> (wordclock, spdif)
[21:49] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: not that I am aware of, and if so I never used it
[21:52] <OvenWerks> there is no plug on the unit for external sync
[21:52] <sirriffsalothp> Nope..
[21:53] <sirriffsalothp> https://www.google.com/search?q=tascam+us+16%C3%9708&client=ubuntu&hs=Vz&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil3aDBh9rpAhUhtYsKHe9vBbYQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1463&bih=860
[21:53]  * OvenWerks wonders why features shows windows software rather than whats on the unit :P
[21:53] <OvenWerks> https://tascam.com/us/product/us-16x08/feature
[21:54] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: I think it's safe to assume it's not my sound card, but rather something in pulse/jack/US
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> !language | sirriffsalothp: I didn't catch this earlier, but warning
[21:54] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: oh, sorry :)
[21:55] <sirriffsalothp> Did you add any volume controllers that might be causing this?
[21:55] <OvenWerks> no
[21:55] <sirriffsalothp> I installed two desktop environments, but that should hardly make my audio become distorted..
[21:56] <OvenWerks> that would not be it, both will expect pulse
[21:57] <OvenWerks> it does have an internal mixer with effects
[21:57] <OvenWerks> I don't think alsa can see that or the routing.
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Alsa cannot usually see internal mixers or internal effects.
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> internal to external hardware, that is.
[21:59] <sirriffsalothp> The audio settings in system settings has my tascam set to "US-16x08 Analog Surround 7.1"
[22:00] <OvenWerks> that makes sense
[22:00] <sirriffsalothp> I'm not mixing with surround lol, I just need a stereo signal, L/R
[22:00] <OvenWerks> it would do that for my D66 as well
[22:00] <OvenWerks> you should be able to change the profile
[22:00] <OvenWerks> in configuration in pavucontrol
[22:00] <OvenWerks> there is a drop down
[22:00] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: yeah I know, but..
[22:01] <sirriffsalothp> In pavucontrol I have it set to analog output
[22:01] <sirriffsalothp> And it's the only option...
[22:01] <sirriffsalothp> Whereas in configuration, it's Analog Surround 7.1 Output
[22:01] <OvenWerks> 8 chanels
[22:01] <OvenWerks> channels even
[22:01] <sirriffsalothp> Other options are Off, Multichannel Input or Analog Surround 7.1 Output +  Multichannel Input
[22:02] <OvenWerks> so no stereo then
[22:02] <OvenWerks> still I thin that is not the sound problem
[22:02] <sirriffsalothp> No... but this distortion was never an issue before, I always saw these options in pavucontrol in the past :(
[22:02] <sirriffsalothp> I guess not
[22:05] <sirriffsalothp> Well this is pretty bad news.. I'm at a real loss here, google has nothing that I can find to be helpful either
[22:06] <sirriffsalothp> Lemme try a reboot and going into your DE, just to be sure
[22:06] <OvenWerks> just in case... too late..
[22:07] <OvenWerks> almost any of the DSP inside could cause this...
[22:07] <sirriffsalothp> Still the same...
[22:07] <sirriffsalothp> !!!
[22:08] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: are all the level controls set 12 oclockis?
[22:08] <sirriffsalothp> Level controls? In pavucontrol?
[22:08] <OvenWerks> straight up on the unit?
[22:08] <sirriffsalothp> Oh on my sound card?
[22:08] <OvenWerks> yes
[22:08] <OvenWerks> it has knobs on the front?
[22:08] <sirriffsalothp> Sure, one for headphones, one for the line out 1-2 which is for my speakers
[22:09] <sirriffsalothp> Headphones and speakers have both the same distortion, even at very low levels
[22:09] <sirriffsalothp> The rest are input knobs
[22:09] <OvenWerks> ok, just checking
[22:09] <OvenWerks> does alsamixer show any controls?
[22:09] <sirriffsalothp> The master is at 100, master mute is MM and DSP Bypass is MM
[22:10] <OvenWerks> use  the right/left arrows on your keyboard to highlight DSP Bypass and hit M
[22:10] <sirriffsalothp> Still the same
[22:11] <OvenWerks>  doesx that make any difference? Master Mute should be off as well
[22:11] <sirriffsalothp> Master must says MM, if I press M for it, everything goes quiet
[22:11] <OvenWerks> so it is backwards
[22:11] <OvenWerks>  ok
[22:12] <OvenWerks> with master highlighted does the down arrow work to bring the level down?
[22:12] <sirriffsalothp> I see a bunch of eq's and compressors way out to the right... should they be active?
[22:12] <sirriffsalothp> Of course it brings the level down, but as few notches down it goes real quiet, but the distortion is still there
[22:12] <OvenWerks>  oh wow so you can control everything from alsa
[22:12] <sirriffsalothp> Yeah
[22:13] <OvenWerks> if you hit the mute button on DSP by pass do they go away?
[22:13] <sirriffsalothp> Hmm okay, the distortion goes away if I lower the master in alsa to, say, 80, and the crank up my headphones
[22:14] <OvenWerks> oh, that might be it then
[22:14] <sirriffsalothp> No they still remain
[22:14] <OvenWerks> yeah alsamixer is not that smart
[22:15] <sirriffsalothp> But this is still a problem... I don't want to have to set my master to what I THINK is close to 100%, as I'm doing mixing-jobs for other people I need to know my system is working properly.. this is too odd to just ignore, you know what I mean?
[22:15] <OvenWerks> considering the master mute is backwards... I would guess that having the dsp bypass set to mute is bypass
[22:15] <sirriffsalothp> Item: DSP Bypass [off] when DSP Bypass is MM
[22:16] <sirriffsalothp> I've never ever run into this problem before lol
[22:16] <OvenWerks> yeah I know. with alsamixer open does changing pavuacontrol's output level change the master level on the box?
[22:17] <sirriffsalothp> System sounds: no. Output Devices, US-16x08 etc: yes
[22:17] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalothp: I am also wondering if there is an internal loop
[22:17] <OvenWerks> yeach.!
[22:17] <sirriffsalothp> So alsamixer master alters pavucontrol, and vice versa
[22:18] <OvenWerks> yeah. so jack is safer. once jack owns the device (and US-c doesn't let pulse see alsa devices) pulse can't change that setup once you have set it.
[22:20] <sirriffsalothp> But my ardour sessions were equally distorted...?
[22:20] <OvenWerks> only if they were recorded that way
[22:20] <sirriffsalothp> Haha hell no dude :) I know what I'm doing there
[22:20] <OvenWerks> :)
[22:21] <OvenWerks> you shold be able to still turn master down with alsamixer or qasmixer (take your pick)
[22:21] <OvenWerks> qas mixer may be a bit nicer/easier to use for a complex box like that
[22:23] <sirriffsalothp> Yeah, but.. what exactly is making the audio clip at 100%..? Since I'm mixing I need to know at what level my machine is pumping out the levels at, so I'm not willie-nillie mixing and risking that what goes out will sound radically different due to some  fluke here
[22:24] <sirriffsalothp> https://upload.picpaste.me/image/AP28B
[22:24] <sirriffsalothp> https://upload.picpaste.me/image/APRm2
[22:24] <OvenWerks> i understand that... I would be just as frustrated
[22:24] <sirriffsalothp> This might be interesting, check out the dsp off-on discrepancy
[22:25] <sirriffsalothp> Oh nvm
[22:25] <sirriffsalothp> I got confused lol, that makes sense
[22:25] <sirriffsalothp> Are you using an external usb device as well?
[22:26] <OvenWerks> no, I have an old ice1712 device. Delta 66
[22:26] <OvenWerks> it also has an internal mixer
[22:26] <OvenWerks> but in my case there is a linux applet for this device
[22:27] <OvenWerks> it is much nicer and better laid out than the alsa mixers
[22:28] <OvenWerks> but I do not have near as many control as you have to deal with...
[22:32] <sirriffsalothp> When I use my internal sound card on the machine
[22:33] <sirriffsalothp> I disabled my external sound card altogether, using a usb-headset with a mic, and alsa is at 100% now. The audio here is fine
[22:33] <sirriffsalothp> Odd....
[22:33] <sirriffsalothp> That means something's going on with my sound card, lemme try plugging in some 3.5mm jack headphones to the back of my machine, see how that sounds
[22:34] <sirriffsalothp> OvenWerks: perfectly fine directly plugged into the back of my machine
[22:34] <sirriffsalothp> God dangit this sucks.. :/
[22:41]  * OvenWerks needs to spend time with his wife as she just got home from work. Back later...
[22:41] <sirriffsalothp> Okidok
[23:02] <sirriffsalothp> Brb
[23:04] <AppAraat[m]> yay! Internal mic in L4D2 works :)