[01:05]  * Eickmeyer just linked Ubuntu Studio Installer on the front page of the website
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[01:43] <ubottu> Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> And now it's on the website.
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I wouldn't worry about that bug report. Some people want to argue with the developers because "They Know Better (tm)".
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> Unrelated: I think I've gotten to the bottom of the issue with Calamares screwing-up the audio perms in legacy BIOS machines.
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> Should know for tomorrow's daily.
[14:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I just wanted to confirm the -menu install had happened correctly (it has). I have tried doing bug reports about includes before and the responce I have got has been a brush off
[14:28] <OvenWerks> so I have done as much as I can
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, I don't think that person understands what -menu actually does. They referred to a "missing menu". It is going to devolve into a support request, so it's still invalid.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> actually a bug report against the DE
[14:42] <OvenWerks> but I think not worth it
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> Right, it'll go unnoticed. Really, it depends on which menu you're using in MATE if it's going to honor XDG. The newer ones don't very well, the original one does.
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> Success: All new installations of Ubuntu Studio, whether legacy BIOS or UEFI, have correct user audio permissions by default. Andy fixes from here on out for Calamares will be purely cosmetic.
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> s/Andy/Any
[17:51] <OvenWerks> I will download and check here too
[18:12] <OvenWerks> is there any fixes to the iso live stuff? or should I expect trouble still?
[18:32] <OvenWerks> iso live boot still borked
[18:36] <OvenWerks> there is a new dialog pops up saying you should use a gpt or something like that
[18:37] <OvenWerks> The slide show looks nice BTW
[18:38] <OvenWerks> there are no hard links in the slide show like in the old slideshow last page. That is probably a good thing as the user can not bookmark it anyway
[18:39] <OvenWerks> The menu already has those things
[18:40] <OvenWerks> I think the install instructions (whatever they are called) should have something (even a link) to explain this new partition they want people to install.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> merely having a dialog pop up and say "hey this is a good thing" doesn't really cut it.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the live iso still hangs on shutdown, can only boot with safe mode (even with intel graphics only). I think these are major stumbling blocks. Is this a problem with all the ISOs?
[18:50] <OvenWerks> Ack! and the terminal steals my screen short cuts :P
[18:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: confirm the installing user has RT rights
[19:02]  * OvenWerks adds konsole to favourites
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, the live ISO hangs at shutdown, seems to be a livecd-rootfs or casper issue (so problem with all ISOs).
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> The GPT thing only applies to EFI, so it's just a warning. If EFI doesn't apply to you, GPT doesn't either.
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Can't do hardlinks in the slideshow. It's image ony.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> The install instructions? It all seems pretty clear at the partitioning section.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> I'm just going to silence myself in main because I can't do anything right.
[19:53] <eylul[m]> what happened?
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> They got upset when I told them we can't support what they're doing.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Accused me of having attitude when I was just giving straight facts.
[19:58] <eylul[m]> I am not seeing the backlog but.. I see
[19:59] <eylul[m]> I am a firm believer that devs shouldn't be doing tech support feels guilty about not being able to step in for that
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Nobody will step-up. I just need to reign-back my role from helping to just being a moderator when things go bad.
[20:01] <eylul> *nods*
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> Maybe people will step-up and help each other if I keep my mouth shut.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> having a really good lowlatency machine requires the one with physical access to the machine to have some basic computer hardware knowlage, I think.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> PCs are not designed for lowlatency anything.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Well, they're asking advanced stuff but showing zero skill in accomplishing their tasks.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> the user has to be willing to owrk aroun d those limitations... but also needs to be willing to find out what they are on that machine
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Yep, but this particular one wants their hand held. And they're in #ubuntu right now doing the same thing and getting angry when people aren't giving them the answer they want.
[20:17] <OvenWerks> if I don't feel I can hand hold someone who appears to need it, I remain silent... they will go away...
[20:29]  * Eickmeyer needs to stay silent more often
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> eylul: The logs seem to have updated: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntustudio.html