[01:05]  * Eickmeyer just linked Ubuntu Studio Installer on the front page of the website
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> And now it's on the website.
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I wouldn't worry about that bug report. Some people want to argue with the developers because "They Know Better (tm)".
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> Unrelated: I think I've gotten to the bottom of the issue with Calamares screwing-up the audio perms in legacy BIOS machines.
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> Should know for tomorrow's daily.
[14:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I just wanted to confirm the -menu install had happened correctly (it has). I have tried doing bug reports about includes before and the responce I have got has been a brush off
[14:28] <OvenWerks> so I have done as much as I can
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, I don't think that person understands what -menu actually does. They referred to a "missing menu". It is going to devolve into a support request, so it's still invalid.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> actually a bug report against the DE
[14:42] <OvenWerks> but I think not worth it
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> Right, it'll go unnoticed. Really, it depends on which menu you're using in MATE if it's going to honor XDG. The newer ones don't very well, the original one does.
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> Success: All new installations of Ubuntu Studio, whether legacy BIOS or UEFI, have correct user audio permissions by default. Andy fixes from here on out for Calamares will be purely cosmetic.
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> s/Andy/Any
[17:51] <OvenWerks> I will download and check here too
[18:12] <OvenWerks> is there any fixes to the iso live stuff? or should I expect trouble still?
[18:32] <OvenWerks> iso live boot still borked
[18:36] <OvenWerks> there is a new dialog pops up saying you should use a gpt or something like that
[18:37] <OvenWerks> The slide show looks nice BTW
[18:38] <OvenWerks> there are no hard links in the slide show like in the old slideshow last page. That is probably a good thing as the user can not bookmark it anyway
[18:39] <OvenWerks> The menu already has those things
[18:40] <OvenWerks> I think the install instructions (whatever they are called) should have something (even a link) to explain this new partition they want people to install.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> merely having a dialog pop up and say "hey this is a good thing" doesn't really cut it.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the live iso still hangs on shutdown, can only boot with safe mode (even with intel graphics only). I think these are major stumbling blocks. Is this a problem with all the ISOs?
[18:50] <OvenWerks> Ack! and the terminal steals my screen short cuts :P
[18:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: confirm the installing user has RT rights
[19:02]  * OvenWerks adds konsole to favourites
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, the live ISO hangs at shutdown, seems to be a livecd-rootfs or casper issue (so problem with all ISOs).
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> The GPT thing only applies to EFI, so it's just a warning. If EFI doesn't apply to you, GPT doesn't either.
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Can't do hardlinks in the slideshow. It's image ony.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> The install instructions? It all seems pretty clear at the partitioning section.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> I'm just going to silence myself in main because I can't do anything right.
[19:53] <eylul[m]> what happened?
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> They got upset when I told them we can't support what they're doing.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Accused me of having attitude when I was just giving straight facts.
[19:58] <eylul[m]> I am not seeing the backlog but.. I see
[19:59] <eylul[m]> I am a firm believer that devs shouldn't be doing tech support feels guilty about not being able to step in for that
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Nobody will step-up. I just need to reign-back my role from helping to just being a moderator when things go bad.
[20:01] <eylul> *nods*
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> Maybe people will step-up and help each other if I keep my mouth shut.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> having a really good lowlatency machine requires the one with physical access to the machine to have some basic computer hardware knowlage, I think.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> PCs are not designed for lowlatency anything.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Well, they're asking advanced stuff but showing zero skill in accomplishing their tasks.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> the user has to be willing to owrk aroun d those limitations... but also needs to be willing to find out what they are on that machine
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Yep, but this particular one wants their hand held. And they're in #ubuntu right now doing the same thing and getting angry when people aren't giving them the answer they want.
[20:17] <OvenWerks> if I don't feel I can hand hold someone who appears to need it, I remain silent... they will go away...
[20:29]  * Eickmeyer needs to stay silent more often
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> eylul: The logs seem to have updated: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntustudio.html