=== mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [14:55] o/ [14:56] o/ [14:58] o/ [15:00] o/ [15:00] * ddstreet coffee while others arrive [15:01] I see we don't have any applicants today, right? Though the list of action items seems to be quite big [15:03] AFAICS yes [15:04] if rafaeldtinoco chairing today? [15:04] s/if/is [15:04] am I ? [15:04] no applicants [15:04] o/ [15:04] no, just the action items to review [15:05] can someone chair ? we have a concurrent [15:05] meeting happening [15:06] rbasak you're next on the chairing list, but i assume you are also in that concurrent mtg [15:06] so i can chair as i'm next in the list [15:06] alright, Ill get the next one [15:06] thanks dan [15:07] Thanks [15:07] ok let me bring up the bot instructions then, one sec [15:08] #startmeeting DMB meeting [15:08] Meeting started Mon Jun 1 15:08:08 2020 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:08] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: [15:08] #chair ddstreet [15:08] Current chairs: ddstreet [15:09] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:09] tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:09] teward: around? [15:09] i assume this continues to be carried over? we could change it to (will be carried until mentioned) if so [15:10] hey headbashing atm [15:10] here but i am playing catchup on 2 things [15:10] :) [15:11] tsimonq2 should we carry that item over until mentioned in a future mtg? [15:12] ddstreet: Sure. [15:12] ack thnx [15:12] Before that happens... [15:12] #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned) [15:12] ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned) [15:12] I'd like to mention I have something started. [15:12] ah ok sorry [15:12] There are some Lubuntuisms in there, but it's the base for what I'm going to write. [15:12] It's all good, it's not fully done yet. [15:13] https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/ [15:13] That's actually based off of the Kubuntu Developers page. [15:14] Anyway, I thought I'd mention it. We can move on from her.e [15:15] thanks, looks good! [15:15] ok next item [15:15] teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:15] still haven't had a chance to, anyone else on the DMB want to take it? [15:16] (one of the billion things that I think I handed to ddstreet I thought) [15:16] yep i can take this, unless anyone else wants to grab it [15:16] #action ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:16] ACTION: ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:16] (FWIW: lots of IT Security issues in my main job so that has hampered my efforts on things) [15:17] rafaeldtinoco i'm going to defer your items until the end of the list if that's ok with you, try to keep actions grouped by owner [15:17] es [15:17] its a good practice [15:17] teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future [15:17] teward i looked at this a bit, i don't think it's done yet right? [15:18] If someone has any action items that they'd like to pass to someone else, feel free to assign me then [15:18] no it's not, I think we need to JFDI. [15:18] my main q was if we are dropping edubuntu just for groovy and later, or for focal and earlier too? [15:18] ddstreet: i think that was a separate discussion [15:18] because that task was specifically getting the PPU rights applied [15:18] we have yet to have a full discussion over the edubuntu packageset removal [15:18] ok so just to be safe we should ask for PPU rights for all releases for him then [15:18] correct. [15:18] ack, i can do this, i was already looking at it earlier today [15:19] #action ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future [15:19] ACTION: ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future [15:19] teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement (rolled over) [15:19] teward this is done, just needs the announcement sent out; i can do that [15:19] yep [15:20] #action ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over) [15:20] ACTION: ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over) [15:20] teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement (half-done, rolled over) [15:20] this is done [15:20] sil2100 to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement [15:20] i think you did that right sil2100? [15:20] Yes, this is done [15:21] ok we're on to rafaeldtinoco items :) [15:21] rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over) [15:21] I did process some minor packageset additions for Erich over the past few weeks. [15:21] calamares-settings-ubuntu comes to mind. ;) [15:21] ddstreet: Ill have PTO on wednesday and will work all my items during my PTO basically. [15:21] so the gnome-shell item was discussed broadly [15:22] in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html [15:22] and Im considering to be together with "refresh packagesets" [15:23] and, like tsimonq2 said, we are doing all packageset changes additions/removals by hand here and ther [15:23] but we still need the full refresh [15:23] so should we carry over all items for you then? [15:23] nope [15:23] or are some already done, by hand [15:23] there were 2 you did [15:23] i did? ;-) [15:23] yaru-theme [15:23] and fprintf [15:23] for ubuntu-desktop [15:23] didnt u ? [15:24] i mean, like gnome-shell, they are connected as well [15:24] from Laney "I know this isn't finalised yet. It works for the yaru-theme case, but [15:24] there are also some others which are IMO still incorrect, like mozjs68." [15:24] i dont think i did, but let me put the action on me to check that, maybe i did [15:24] nope you replied to the thread [15:24] and there is some work from Iain [15:25] ddstreet: carry all my items over please [15:25] right i replied basically saying i don't understand what the desktop packageset split is intended to do [15:25] i think they will all be sorted [15:25] ok [15:25] with me catching up with what Iain did [15:25] and updating all packagesets [15:25] this will be done by next meeting [15:25] #action rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over) [15:25] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over) [15:25] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over) [15:25] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over) [15:25] #action rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over) [15:25] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over) [15:26] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list [15:26] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list [15:26] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html) [15:26] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html) [15:26] #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html) [15:26] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html) [15:26] #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html) [15:26] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html) [15:26] ok and rafaeldtinoco if i can help with anything do let me know [15:26] Same [15:26] tks [15:27] i think Ill got it all cleared up [15:27] PTO is for that, isnt it ? [15:27] lol only if you're doing it at the beach :) [15:27] sgtm [15:27] ok that's all the previous action items, no applications on the agenda for today [15:28] 2 mailing list items i think [15:28] Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset (Erich Eickmeyer) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html [15:28] they are related [15:28] to all my actions [15:28] yep unfortunately i think you're getting this one too :) [15:28] cleaning up for ubuntustudio [15:28] but it should come 'for free' with the tooling updates [15:29] and packageset exceptions <- this feature is *needed* to make sure we can cover it all [15:29] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html) [15:29] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html) [15:29] #) [15:29] rafaeldtinoco unfortunately i think the next one is yours too, iain's email [15:30] Applying packageset exceptions transitively (Iain Lane) [15:30] yep [15:30] its the exception to solve the gnome-shell case [15:30] The core split is basically the expansion of the desktop-common platform seed [15:30] sorry, I got highlighted :-) [15:30] that was the idea =) [15:30] and thanks for the packegeset scripts updates [15:30] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html) [15:30] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html) [15:30] ill get into it this week [15:30] right, ok [15:31] ah oops, i forgot to change topic [15:31] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: AOB [15:31] I think it's risky updating thoes sets manually, because then the next time you go to run the script things will drop out 'mysteriously' [15:31] Laney: ill mark all requests in the last months [15:31] and verify one by one [15:31] it should at least be paired with adding exceptions [15:31] Laney: yep [15:32] well, actually, you'd expect that normally just re-running the script would get new seeded stuff [15:32] ok, i'll stop talking now [15:32] :p [15:32] Laney: can I ping you [15:32] after I sort out your changes ? [15:32] #) [15:33] ok any other business to discuss? [15:33] or did i miss anything? [15:33] i think we're done then, in 5... [15:33] 4 [15:33] i think youve missed [15:33] a few topic changes [15:33] #) [15:33] lol yes i did :) [15:34] like select chair for next meeting [15:34] ah ok [15:34] #topic Chair and Time for Next Meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Chair and Time for Next Meeting [15:34] ill be the next chair, then robie [15:34] next mtg is Monday 2020-06-15 19:00 UTC [15:34] perhaps dan can go to the end of the line [15:34] I think I also haven't chaired for a while [15:34] sounds good, i'll move myself down [15:35] Probably missed those meetings on which I was to chair [15:35] ok anythign else i missed? [15:35] So if anyone feels like they'd like a break, feel free to select me as the chair [15:35] thats ok [15:35] next meeting I have so many items [15:35] being the chair will make things quicker [15:35] #) [15:35] ddstreet: thanks for being the chair today [15:35] nothing else [15:35] ;) [15:36] Nothing here [15:36] np, ok ending in 3... [15:36] 2 [15:36] 1 [15:36] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [15:36] Meeting ended Mon Jun 1 15:36:10 2020 UTC. [15:36] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-01-15.08.moin.txt [15:36] o/ [15:36] thanks all o/ [15:36] o/ cheers! [15:39] ddstreet: are i updating agenda ? [15:39] are i / are u [15:40] rafaeldtinoco i got it, i figure the chair should update it [15:40] yep, i think so [15:40] ok then. tks