[14:55] <tsimonq2> o/
[14:56] <sil2100> o/
[14:58] <rbasak> o/
[15:00] <ddstreet> o/
[15:00]  * ddstreet coffee while others arrive
[15:01] <sil2100> I see we don't have any applicants today, right? Though the list of action items seems to be quite big
[15:03] <rbasak> AFAICS yes
[15:04] <ddstreet> if rafaeldtinoco chairing today?
[15:04] <ddstreet> s/if/is
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> am I ?
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> no applicants
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[15:04] <ddstreet> no, just the action items to review
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> can someone chair ? we have a concurrent
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> meeting happening
[15:06] <ddstreet> rbasak you're next on the chairing list, but i assume you are also in that concurrent mtg
[15:06] <ddstreet> so i can chair as i'm next in the list
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, Ill get the next one
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks dan
[15:07] <rbasak> Thanks
[15:07] <ddstreet> ok let me bring up the bot instructions then, one sec
[15:08] <ddstreet> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  1 15:08:08 2020 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:08] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:08] <ddstreet> #chair ddstreet
[15:08] <meetingology> Current chairs: ddstreet
[15:09] <ddstreet> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:09] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:09] <rbasak> teward: around?
[15:09] <ddstreet> i assume this continues to be carried over?  we could change it to (will be carried until mentioned) if so
[15:10] <teward> hey headbashing atm
[15:10] <teward> here but i am playing catchup on 2 things
[15:10] <teward> :)
[15:11] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 should we carry that item over until mentioned in a future mtg?
[15:12] <tsimonq2> ddstreet: Sure.
[15:12] <ddstreet> ack thnx
[15:12] <tsimonq2> Before that happens...
[15:12] <ddstreet> #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned)
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned)
[15:12] <tsimonq2> I'd like to mention I have something started.
[15:12] <ddstreet> ah ok sorry
[15:12] <tsimonq2> There are some Lubuntuisms in there, but it's the base for what I'm going to write.
[15:12] <tsimonq2> It's all good, it's not fully done yet.
[15:13] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
[15:13] <tsimonq2> That's actually based off of the Kubuntu Developers page.
[15:14] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I thought I'd mention it. We can move on from her.e
[15:15] <ddstreet> thanks, looks good!
[15:15] <ddstreet> ok next item
[15:15] <ddstreet> teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:15] <teward> still haven't had a chance to, anyone else on the DMB want to take it?
[15:16] <teward> (one of the billion things that I think I handed to ddstreet I thought)
[15:16] <ddstreet> yep i can take this, unless anyone else wants to grab it
[15:16] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:16] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:16] <teward> (FWIW: lots of IT Security issues in my main job so that has hampered my efforts on things)
[15:17] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco i'm going to defer your items until the end of the list if that's ok with you, try to keep actions grouped by owner
[15:17] <rafaeldtinoco> es
[15:17] <rafaeldtinoco> its a good practice
[15:17] <ddstreet> teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:17] <ddstreet> teward i looked at this a bit, i don't think it's done yet right?
[15:18] <sil2100> If someone has any action items that they'd like to pass to someone else, feel free to assign me then
[15:18] <teward> no it's not, I think we need to JFDI.
[15:18] <ddstreet> my main q was if we are dropping edubuntu just for groovy and later, or for focal and earlier too?
[15:18] <teward> ddstreet: i think that was a separate discussion
[15:18] <teward> because that task was specifically getting the PPU rights applied
[15:18] <teward> we have yet to have a full discussion over the edubuntu packageset removal
[15:18] <ddstreet> ok so just to be safe we should ask for PPU rights for all releases for him then
[15:18] <teward> correct.
[15:18] <ddstreet> ack, i can do this, i was already looking at it earlier today
[15:19] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:19] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:19] <ddstreet> teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement (rolled over)
[15:19] <ddstreet> teward this is done, just needs the announcement sent out; i can do that
[15:19] <teward> yep
[15:20] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over)
[15:20] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over)
[15:20] <ddstreet> teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement (half-done, rolled over)
[15:20] <ddstreet> this is done
[15:20] <ddstreet> sil2100 to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement
[15:20] <ddstreet> i think you did that right sil2100?
[15:20] <sil2100> Yes, this is done
[15:21] <ddstreet> ok we're on to rafaeldtinoco items :)
[15:21] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:21] <tsimonq2> I did process some minor packageset additions for Erich over the past few weeks.
[15:21] <tsimonq2> calamares-settings-ubuntu comes to mind. ;)
[15:21] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: Ill have PTO on wednesday and will work all my items during my PTO basically.
[15:21] <rafaeldtinoco> so the gnome-shell item was discussed broadly
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> and Im considering to be together with "refresh packagesets"
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> and, like tsimonq2 said, we are doing all packageset changes additions/removals by hand here and ther
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> but we still need the full refresh
[15:23] <ddstreet> so should we carry over all items for you then?
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> nope
[15:23] <ddstreet> or are some already done, by hand
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> there were 2 you did
[15:23] <ddstreet> i did? ;-)
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> yaru-theme
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> and fprintf
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> for ubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> didnt u ?
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> i mean, like gnome-shell, they are connected as well
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> from Laney "I know this isn't finalised yet. It works for the yaru-theme case, but
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> there are also some others which are IMO still incorrect, like mozjs68."
[15:24] <ddstreet> i dont think i did, but let me put the action on me to check that, maybe i did
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> nope you replied to the thread
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> and there is some work from Iain
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: carry all my items over please
[15:25] <ddstreet> right i replied basically saying i don't understand what the desktop packageset split is intended to do
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> i think they will all be sorted
[15:25] <ddstreet> ok
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> with me catching up with what Iain did
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> and updating all packagesets
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> this will be done by next meeting
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over)
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> ok and rafaeldtinoco if i can help with anything do let me know
[15:26] <sil2100> Same
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> tks
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> i think Ill got it all cleared up
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> PTO is for that, isnt it ?
[15:27] <ddstreet> lol only if you're doing it at the beach :)
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> sgtm
[15:27] <ddstreet> ok that's all the previous action items, no applications on the agenda for today
[15:28] <ddstreet> 2 mailing list items i think
[15:28] <ddstreet> Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset (Erich Eickmeyer) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> they are related
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> to all my actions
[15:28] <ddstreet> yep unfortunately i think you're getting this one too :)
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> cleaning up for ubuntustudio
[15:28] <ddstreet> but it should come 'for free' with the tooling updates
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> and packageset exceptions <- this feature is *needed* to make sure we can cover it all
[15:29] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html)
[15:29] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html)
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:29] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco unfortunately i think the next one is yours too, iain's email
[15:30] <ddstreet> Applying packageset exceptions transitively (Iain Lane)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> its the exception to solve the gnome-shell case
[15:30] <Laney> The core split is basically the expansion of the desktop-common platform seed
[15:30] <Laney> sorry, I got highlighted :-)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> that was the idea =)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> and thanks for the packegeset scripts updates
[15:30] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html)
[15:30] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> ill get into it this week
[15:30] <Laney> right, ok
[15:31] <ddstreet> ah oops, i forgot to change topic
[15:31] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[15:31] <Laney> I think it's risky updating thoes sets manually, because then the next time you go to run the script things will drop out 'mysteriously'
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: ill mark all requests in the last months
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and verify one by one
[15:31] <Laney> it should at least be paired with adding exceptions
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: yep
[15:32] <Laney> well, actually, you'd expect that normally just re-running the script would get new seeded stuff
[15:32] <Laney> ok, i'll stop talking now
[15:32] <Laney> :p
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: can I ping you
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> after I sort out your changes ?
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:33] <ddstreet> ok any other business to discuss?
[15:33] <ddstreet> or did i miss anything?
[15:33] <ddstreet> i think we're done then, in 5...
[15:33] <ddstreet> 4
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> i think youve missed
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> a few topic changes
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:33] <ddstreet> lol yes i did :)
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> like select chair for next meeting
[15:34] <ddstreet> ah ok
[15:34] <ddstreet> #topic Chair and Time for Next Meeting
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> ill be the next chair, then robie
[15:34] <ddstreet> next mtg is Monday 2020-06-15 19:00 UTC
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> perhaps dan can go to the end of the line
[15:34] <sil2100> I think I also haven't chaired for a while
[15:34] <ddstreet> sounds good, i'll move myself down
[15:35] <sil2100> Probably missed those meetings on which I was to chair
[15:35] <ddstreet> ok anythign else i missed?
[15:35] <sil2100> So if anyone feels like they'd like a break, feel free to select me as the chair
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> thats ok
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> next meeting I have so many items
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> being the chair will make things quicker
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: thanks for being the chair today
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> nothing else
[15:35] <sil2100> ;)
[15:36] <sil2100> Nothing here
[15:36] <ddstreet> np, ok ending in 3...
[15:36] <ddstreet> 2
[15:36] <ddstreet> 1
[15:36] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  1 15:36:10 2020 UTC.
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-01-15.08.moin.txt
[15:36] <sil2100> o/
[15:36] <ddstreet> thanks all o/
[15:36] <rafaeldtinoco> o/ cheers!
[15:39] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: are i updating agenda ?
[15:39] <rafaeldtinoco> are i / are u
[15:40] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco i got it, i figure the chair should update it
[15:40] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, i think so
[15:40] <rafaeldtinoco> ok then. tks