| rick_h | we've got tools for scanning systems for cve'd software on your systems, doing CIS scanning/hardening, etc | 12:51 |
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| rick_h | it's crazy how much stuff there is out there | 12:52 |
| greg-g | well that's more red than I normally like seeing | 15:19 |
| jrwren | haha, right?!? | 15:27 |
| jrwren | but a lot of these systemd security features are very new, and the debian/ubuntu packages haven't been updated to use them. | 15:27 |
| jrwren | would be some sweet security work to debian/ubuntu for someone. | 15:28 |
| greg-g | yeah, a good distraction from shit right now | 16:00 |
| jrwren | on a good note... Firekeepers casino reopens today. Who wants to go shoot craps? | 16:26 |
| _stink_ | don't tempt me | 16:27 |
| jrwren | :) | 16:29 |
| cmaloney | what did craps ever do to you? | 17:05 |
| rick_h | take my money? | 17:09 |
| cmaloney | blam blam blam | 17:09 |
| jrwren | lol | 17:10 |
| jrwren | Gov Whitmer press conference right now. MI is partially reopening. YAY | 19:46 |
| rick_h | can anyone explain to me how getting numbers down by sheltering works, but then opening without any chance to the underlying environment is ok and good? | 19:48 |
| rick_h | I don't see what change has occurred that makes it ok now, but didn't 30 days ago? | 19:49 |
| rick_h | some form of treatment, or managing contagion? Just that enough prople have it now? | 19:49 |
| rick_h | says the man that's been hiding from MI for 3.5mo and moving back this weekend... | 19:50 |
| jrwren | the opening is changing underlying a bit. | 19:50 |
| jrwren | limited capacity reopen. | 19:50 |
| rick_h | right, but since nothing changed in the actual medicine we "in theory" could have just been doing that all along | 19:51 |
| cmaloney | Honestly I think it's still foolishness | 19:51 |
| jrwren | the now v. then is tied to our Rt value AFAIK. | 19:51 |
| rick_h | right, but opening will do nothing but raise cases no matter what | 19:51 |
| jrwren | it isn't hte medicine chnages, but capacity and availability to perform the medicine | 19:51 |
| rick_h | so you open in order to keep a moving average of the sick? | 19:51 |
| cmaloney | my (limited) understanding was the awareness vs slamming the ICU | 19:51 |
| cmaloney | it means we now have beds open | 19:51 |
| rick_h | vs holding for a vaccine or something? | 19:51 |
| jrwren | yes, opening will raise cases, you are right about that. Medical infrastructure can now handle that. | 19:52 |
| rick_h | right, but as far as death rate/etc nothing has made this thing less deadly | 19:52 |
| jrwren | 1-2mo ago, medical infra couldn't handle it. | 19:52 |
| jrwren | what cmaloney said. | 19:52 |
| jrwren | right. | 19:52 |
| jrwren | it is still just as deadly, just as communicable. | 19:52 |
| rick_h | right, but great, so now it's more likely the pizza guy deliverying has it and gives it to me because he's out and about in a more open society | 19:52 |
| rick_h | and since folks aren't deemed unnecessary folks have to go back to work as they won't quality for staying at home regardless of their risk levels | 19:53 |
| jrwren | you aren't wrong. | 19:53 |
| rick_h | it moves the respsibility off the state and back on to individuals who (by necessity to be clear) have to make poor choices | 19:53 |
| cmaloney | It means that we get a short-term political win until it gets scary again | 19:53 |
| rick_h | it just really saddens me to be honest. It feels like giving in and accepting the loss of life will continue and grow | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | and the smart places will remain closed and distant | 19:54 |
| rick_h | but maybe I'm missing something and I shouldn't be so negative | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | rick_h: It's the will of the people | 19:54 |
| * rick_h says the rest of his commentary "off air" lol | 19:54 | |
| cmaloney | they protested for it. Now we'll have to suffer the consequences | 19:54 |
| rick_h | right, I'd be fine if only they did but it won't be that | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | "here's your freedom. Don't wait for the tab"/ | 19:54 |
| brian__ | I think you mispelled that. It's freedumb. ;) | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | It's asinine, but apparently societal pressure work | 20:02 |
| cmaloney | s | 20:02 |
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