[12:51] <rick_h> we've got tools for scanning systems for cve'd software on your systems, doing CIS scanning/hardening, etc
[12:52] <rick_h> it's crazy how much stuff there is out there
[15:19] <greg-g> well that's more red than I normally like seeing
[15:27] <jrwren> haha, right?!?
[15:27] <jrwren> but a lot of these systemd security features are very new, and the debian/ubuntu packages haven't been updated to use them.
[15:28] <jrwren> would be some sweet security work to debian/ubuntu for someone.
[16:00] <greg-g> yeah, a good distraction from shit right now
[16:26] <jrwren> on a good note... Firekeepers casino reopens today. Who wants to go shoot craps?
[16:27] <_stink_> don't tempt me
[16:29] <jrwren> :)
[17:05] <cmaloney> what did craps ever do to you?
[17:09] <rick_h> take my money?
[17:09] <cmaloney> blam blam blam
[17:10] <jrwren> lol
[19:46] <jrwren> Gov Whitmer press conference right now. MI is partially reopening. YAY
[19:48] <rick_h> can anyone explain to me how getting numbers down by sheltering works, but then opening without any chance to the underlying environment is ok and good?
[19:49] <rick_h> I don't see what change has occurred that makes it ok now, but didn't 30 days ago?
[19:49] <rick_h> some form of treatment, or managing contagion? Just that enough prople have it now?
[19:50] <rick_h> says the man that's been hiding from MI for 3.5mo and moving back this weekend...
[19:50] <jrwren> the opening is changing underlying a bit.
[19:50] <jrwren> limited capacity reopen.
[19:51] <rick_h> right, but since nothing changed in the actual medicine we "in theory" could have just been doing that all along
[19:51] <cmaloney> Honestly I think it's still foolishness
[19:51] <jrwren> the now v. then is tied to our Rt value AFAIK.
[19:51] <rick_h> right, but opening will do nothing but raise cases no matter what
[19:51] <jrwren> it isn't hte medicine chnages, but capacity and availability to perform the medicine
[19:51] <rick_h> so you open in order to keep a moving average of the sick?
[19:51] <cmaloney> my (limited) understanding was the awareness vs slamming the ICU
[19:51] <cmaloney> it means we now have beds open
[19:51] <rick_h> vs holding for a vaccine or something?
[19:52] <jrwren> yes, opening will raise cases, you are right about that. Medical infrastructure can now handle that.
[19:52] <rick_h> right, but as far as death rate/etc nothing has made this thing less deadly
[19:52] <jrwren> 1-2mo ago, medical infra couldn't handle it.
[19:52] <jrwren> what cmaloney said.
[19:52] <jrwren> right.
[19:52] <jrwren> it is still just as deadly, just as communicable.
[19:52] <rick_h> right, but great, so now it's more likely the pizza guy deliverying has it and gives it to me because he's out and about in a more open society
[19:53] <rick_h> and since folks aren't deemed unnecessary folks have to go back to work as they won't quality for staying at home regardless of their risk levels
[19:53] <jrwren> you aren't wrong.
[19:53] <rick_h> it moves the respsibility off the state and back on to individuals who (by necessity to be clear) have to make poor choices
[19:53] <cmaloney> It means that we get a short-term political win until it gets scary again
[19:54] <rick_h> it just really saddens me to be honest. It feels like giving in and accepting the loss of life will continue and grow
[19:54] <cmaloney> and the smart places will remain closed and distant
[19:54] <rick_h> but maybe I'm missing something and I shouldn't be so negative
[19:54] <cmaloney> rick_h: It's the will of the people
[19:54]  * rick_h says the rest of his commentary "off air" lol
[19:54] <cmaloney> they protested for it. Now we'll have to suffer the consequences
[19:54] <rick_h> right, I'd be fine if only they did but it won't be that
[19:54] <cmaloney> "here's your freedom. Don't wait for the tab"/
[19:56] <brian__> I think you mispelled that. It's freedumb. ;)
[20:02] <cmaloney> It's asinine, but apparently societal pressure work
[20:02] <cmaloney> s