[12:51] we've got tools for scanning systems for cve'd software on your systems, doing CIS scanning/hardening, etc [12:52] it's crazy how much stuff there is out there [15:19] well that's more red than I normally like seeing [15:27] haha, right?!? [15:27] but a lot of these systemd security features are very new, and the debian/ubuntu packages haven't been updated to use them. [15:28] would be some sweet security work to debian/ubuntu for someone. [16:00] yeah, a good distraction from shit right now [16:26] on a good note... Firekeepers casino reopens today. Who wants to go shoot craps? [16:27] <_stink_> don't tempt me [16:29] :) [17:05] what did craps ever do to you? [17:09] take my money? [17:09] blam blam blam [17:10] lol [19:46] Gov Whitmer press conference right now. MI is partially reopening. YAY [19:48] can anyone explain to me how getting numbers down by sheltering works, but then opening without any chance to the underlying environment is ok and good? [19:49] I don't see what change has occurred that makes it ok now, but didn't 30 days ago? [19:49] some form of treatment, or managing contagion? Just that enough prople have it now? [19:50] says the man that's been hiding from MI for 3.5mo and moving back this weekend... [19:50] the opening is changing underlying a bit. [19:50] limited capacity reopen. [19:51] right, but since nothing changed in the actual medicine we "in theory" could have just been doing that all along [19:51] Honestly I think it's still foolishness [19:51] the now v. then is tied to our Rt value AFAIK. [19:51] right, but opening will do nothing but raise cases no matter what [19:51] it isn't hte medicine chnages, but capacity and availability to perform the medicine [19:51] so you open in order to keep a moving average of the sick? [19:51] my (limited) understanding was the awareness vs slamming the ICU [19:51] it means we now have beds open [19:51] vs holding for a vaccine or something? [19:52] yes, opening will raise cases, you are right about that. Medical infrastructure can now handle that. [19:52] right, but as far as death rate/etc nothing has made this thing less deadly [19:52] 1-2mo ago, medical infra couldn't handle it. [19:52] what cmaloney said. [19:52] right. [19:52] it is still just as deadly, just as communicable. [19:52] right, but great, so now it's more likely the pizza guy deliverying has it and gives it to me because he's out and about in a more open society [19:53] and since folks aren't deemed unnecessary folks have to go back to work as they won't quality for staying at home regardless of their risk levels [19:53] you aren't wrong. [19:53] it moves the respsibility off the state and back on to individuals who (by necessity to be clear) have to make poor choices [19:53] It means that we get a short-term political win until it gets scary again [19:54] it just really saddens me to be honest. It feels like giving in and accepting the loss of life will continue and grow [19:54] and the smart places will remain closed and distant [19:54] but maybe I'm missing something and I shouldn't be so negative [19:54] rick_h: It's the will of the people [19:54] * rick_h says the rest of his commentary "off air" lol [19:54] they protested for it. Now we'll have to suffer the consequences [19:54] right, I'd be fine if only they did but it won't be that [19:54] "here's your freedom. Don't wait for the tab"/ [19:56] I think you mispelled that. It's freedumb. ;) [20:02] It's asinine, but apparently societal pressure work [20:02] s