[02:05] <upgruntu> I just received the upgrade notification to Ubuntu 20.04. Will this upgrade to Ubuntu *Studio* 20.04 or just the Ubuntu upgrade?
[02:14] <OvenWerks> the dividing line between ubuntu and studio is very fine.... more one word than two
[02:34] <upgruntu> What I was wondering actually was if by upgrading to 20.04 I will get the software updates or new features on Ubuntu Studio 20.04
[02:36] <upgruntu> Actually, I'll follow the upgrade instructions on the Ubuntu site. Thanks.
[02:37] <Eickmeyer> upgruntu: Ubuntu Studio *is* Ubuntu. There is no separation.
[02:37] <upgruntu> I understand that, but does that mean that I will find Ardour in the regular Ubuntu?
[02:39] <Eickmeyer> By *is* Ubuntu and no separation, that means that whatever is in Ubuntu Studio is in the Ubuntu repositories. We add nothing onto what is already available.
[02:39] <Eickmeyer> Not a separate distro like Mint or Kali.
[02:39] <upgruntu> Mmm... okay, I see
[02:40] <Eickmeyer> In order to be an official *flavor* we must use just the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:40] <Eickmeyer> So the answer to your question is yes.
[11:08] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, so apparently Ubuntu doesn't offer a netinstall ISO any longer - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510/6 - So I guess that leaves me with Ubuntu Server as an alternative. I hope it doesn't install too much stuff as with the netinstall I could get it down to a very minimal initial installation.
[11:14] <RikMills> the mini iso still exists
[11:27] <AppAraat[m]> yeah as legacy, which is unsupported
[13:34] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, almost no choice for installed packages in Ubuntu Studio. At the end it just asks which snaps you want to install along side it.
[14:52] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: snaps and Audio do not go well together
[14:53] <OvenWerks> (even schnapps probably)
[14:57] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: if you use ubuntustudio-installer to install you have more choice.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> probably someone wanting more choice than that will just apt install the packages they want
[15:08] <AppAraat[m]> heh
[15:09] <AppAraat[m]> ye ubuntustudio-installer will get used no matter what, that's the primary way I can turn the vanilla Ubuntu into a DAW-ready system.
[15:10] <AppAraat[m]> it's just that I'm used to minimal install, and the deprecation of the mini.iso / netinst.iso is just a roadblock to that, so I guess I'll use that convoluted PXEBOOT method described in the Ubuntu Discourse thread I linked above or just waste less time and go with the Ubuntu Server option.
[15:25] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: I have not really looked at the Server install with no services/utilities installed for size. The actual installed size of the Studio ISO seems to depend on the partition size. This may just be a result of using ext4, I don't really know.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> I guess it could have something to do with the portion of space set aside for rooot use only as well
[15:26] <AppAraat[m]> would be a good idea to fire up some VMs and try it out, so I'm going to do just that :)
[16:55] <sirriffsalot> Eickmeyer: yo! I really miss being able to start my jack-server from the GUI I use to manage my connections anyways, Catia that is. I'm having trouble understanding how I can run it without breaking my system with KXStudio
[16:55] <sirriffsalot> Eickmeyer: https://kx.studio/Applications:Catia#Download
[16:56] <sirriffsalot> The debian/ubuntu link doesn't go anywhere for some reason, and and I'm not sure what to do with the pre-compiled binaries as there are no instructions in the folder..
[17:34] <sirriffsalot> Eickmeyer: any ideas on my catia-dilemma?
[20:13] <gregariousgus> Hi! I am trying to build hydrogen from source on Ubuntu Studio 20.04
[20:13] <gregariousgus> However one of the required packages (liblash-compat-dev) seems no longer available, although I see it was for 19.10
[20:13] <gregariousgus> Can anyone advise? Would it be possible for me to use this older version somehow?
[20:45] <OvenWerks> Yeah lash has pretty much died of bit rot
[20:46] <OvenWerks> is there some reason that hydrogen from the ubuntu repos will not work for you gregariousgus?
[20:47] <OvenWerks> for building hydrogen frm source it may work to see how it is configured in the .src package
[20:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: ^^
[20:49] <OvenWerks> it is funny that the current version of hydrogen that would presumably be built without lash still has the checkbox "Use lash".
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I built the beta for the repos just fine, so I'm guessing it's something else.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> gregariousgus: Hydrogen 1.0 beta is in the repos, I might be able to SRU the new version in.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> I was just wondering if there was a config param for no lash
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> gregariousgus: So, patience.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I don't know. I'd have to investigate.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> ok
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> Either way we should not be supporting people compiling software in here.
[20:53] <OvenWerks> aye
[20:54] <gregariousgus> Ok thanks guys
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> gregariousgus: I stand corrected. The version in the 20.04 repositories is the most recent version, you should have zero reason to compile it from source.
[21:17] <gregariousgus> Ok thanks, Eickmeyer
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[22:14] <AppAraat[m]> that's a pretty nice feature
[22:29] <AppAraat[m]> yeaah, it installs like a bunch of stuff I don't need, and also enables snapd by default :/
[23:10] <AppAraat[m]> Damn, Ansible doesn't have its PPA for 20.04 done - https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/68645
[23:34] <focalkiwi> I was upgrading Ubuntu to 20.04 yesterday and the power went out. Before it went out the terminal showed that I had made some changes to sources (I think) and asked if I wanted to replace the changes, keep them or review them. I was researching online what that meant when the power went out, the installation stopped and now Ubuntu won't start. I
[23:34] <focalkiwi> get grub and the option to select Ubuntu but when I do it just shows the HP logo. I assume I'll have to do a clean install, right?
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> focalkiwi: For non-Studio issues like that, go to #ubuntu. That's a tough topic for the limited activity in this channel.
[23:46] <focalkiwi> Awesome, thank you!