[01:28] morning [01:42] morning callmepk [01:47] Morning everyone! [01:47] jamesh, are you the jamesh quoted in this Raspberry Pi post? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=274595 [01:48] duflu, hey, I've seen your name in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/363 [01:48] * jamesh looks [01:49] pieq, yeah I wrote a fix and it was closed because other people already had... and then nobody's fix landed :/ [01:49] duflu, do you know what's the status for this? It's really super annoying. I have a 4k screen, I created 2 desktop files to run Firefox with different profiles, but when I search "Firefox", I get "Firefo… Firefo…" [01:49] FFS! [01:49] pieq: no. [01:49] jamesh, OK :) When I saw "JAMESH", it rang a bell :) [01:50] pieq, please subscribe to bug 968213 for that [01:50] bug 968213 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Too many icons in Gnome Shell Activities Overview require ellipses" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968213 [01:50] Yeah 6 digits [01:50] duflu, thanks [01:50] damn... [01:50] Also good morning callmepk, jamesh, pieq [01:50] I remember reading somewhere (probably OMG!Ubuntu) that this issue would finally be fixed with 3.36.... and... nope. [01:50] duflu, g'day! [01:51] Yeah people really dropped the ball. I keep meaning to remind them but then more important issues come up instead [01:52] pieq: that appears to be someone else with the title "Principal Software Engineer at Raspberry Pi (Trading) Ltd." [01:54] duflu, I recently got a 4k screen, and I ran into a lot of small yet annoying problems [01:54] "First World problems", I guess, but still, it's annoying. [01:57] pieq: after many months of squinting at terribly tiny things in firefox for months, I recently found that there's a setting in the View | Zoom menu for "zoom text only", and things are WAY BETTER after I unchecked that [01:57] pieq: hit alt v, z, then there it is for you to toggle :) [01:57] sarnold, I just set the default zoom to 133% in the preferences [01:58] opoh there's a default zoom? [01:58] sarnold, cause I was finding myself Ctrl+Scroll Up all the time [01:58] even on 1080p screen [01:58] sarnold, yes, found that out after I got my 4k screen :D [01:58] pieq: <3 thanks :D [01:59] I had the hope that fractional scaling would work well on Wayland, but it doesn't work well (at least with amdgpu). Yet 200% is really too big [02:00] pieq, try Gnome Tweaks > Fonts > Scaling Factor [02:00] so I settled with 100%, then tweaking GNOME (using a big cursor from the Accessibility options, then pushing Font Scale Factor to 1.4 in GNOME Tweaks) [02:00] duflu, hehe :) [02:00] Yes, it works well, but it's not ideal [02:00] pieq, I'm going to jump in the deep end and try to switch to 4K this year [02:01] Hopefully that will motivate me to fix things quickly [02:02] duflu, haha, that's the thing: we should offer the HW that we have issues with to Ubuntu developers in the hope that these problem annoy them enough to get them to be fixed :D [02:02] hi duflu jamesh pieq [02:03] hi callmepk ! [02:03] 早安! :) [02:06] pieq 早晨!;) [02:09] callmepk, ha! 我不會寫香港的繁體中文! :D [02:13] pieq Actually Hong Kong have two sets of writing system: Written Cantonese and Written Chinese so actually it's the same ;) [02:18] callmepk, you mean Cantonese Vs. Mandarin? When I go to HK, I can recognize if something is written in Cantonese cause I don't understand anything :D [02:18] (whereas in Mandarin I still don't understand much, but more than written Cantonese :D) [02:24] pieq No, hong kong also use Traditional Chinese, but there is two written form: one is Madarin that is the official one and nearly same as Taiwan; the other is Cantonese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese Wiki for reference [02:26] callmepk, oh, thanks, I wasn't aware about this! [02:29] you are welcome [04:38] morning world [05:04] Hi jibel [05:05] Hello duflu [06:06] hi jibel [06:14] good morning [06:16] goood morning desktopers [06:16] good morning didrocks seb128 [06:16] hey callmepk, how are you? [06:17] I am good, and you seb128 ? [06:17] I'm a bit tired today but fine otherwise, coffee should help there :) [06:20] salut seb128, bon retour :) [06:20] hey callmepk [06:21] lut didrocks, merci! [06:23] Trevinho, jamesh, kenvandine, marcustomlinson, jibel, robert_ancell, weekly summary reminder [06:26] salut seb128 [06:30] Hi didrocks and seb128 [06:31] hey duflu [06:55] morning desktoppers [07:18] good morning desktoppers [07:18] hey oSoMoN [07:18] salut didrocks [07:31] Hi marcustomlinson and oSoMoN [07:44] hey duflu [07:45] morning marcustomlinson [07:46] hey oSoMoN [08:02] sup [08:24] Hi Laney [08:28] hey hey Laney [08:29] hey hey hey Laney [08:30] |o/ duflu didrocks marcustomlinson [08:30] that's me waving distantly [08:30] \o\ [08:31] /🙃/ [08:33] hey Laney [08:37] 👋 oSoMoN [08:40] hello desktopers! [08:47] Hi ricotz [09:00] 👏 ricotz [09:38] hey ricotz [09:52] hey duflu Laney oSoMoN [09:53] oSoMoN, hi, in case you have some changes for firefox to merge back, please do so [11:06] ricotz, done (the only branch that had relevant changes was the groovy one) [11:07] oSoMoN, why doesn't this apply to the other series? [11:07] ricotz, because it's python3-specific [11:08] I am not a fan of diverging the branches if it can be avoided [11:08] I mean, I suppose applying it to the other series wouldn't hurt, I haven't tested tbh [11:08] and I've been using the script in the groovy branch to create tarballs lately [11:09] ricotz, you're right, I'll test that the change doesn't have unexpected side effects with python2, and if it doesn't I'll apply it to the other series [11:09] I see, you were claiming it being a regression in the changelog, so this really should apply everywhere [11:10] I have ran it in groovy-only too :( [11:13] oSoMoN, jfyi, there will be fun with s390x and icu again [11:13] :/ [11:14] do you know anyone running the current build on s390x? [11:14] afaict it is likely to be broken anyway [11:15] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1264836 [11:15] Mozilla bug 1264836 in General "bigendian support for ICU" [Normal,New] [11:25] ricotz, s390x has been broken for as long as I can remember anyway, it's building but not actually starting [11:26] correct [11:40] ricotz: oSoMoN: i can help provide the big endian datafiles, which firefox then can just commit [11:41] ricotz: oSoMoN: or they should stop building external data files, and just compile them into the shared library. That way they just dlopen built-in libicudata without external dat file, and it will always be in the correct indianness [11:41] ricotz: oSoMoN: it's not like it is common to ship firefox builds for more than one architecture and share the file on end-users disk. [11:50] xnox, I'm not familiar with that bug , but I see that there's a reference to an ICU bug: "Not enough. We don't put big endian's dat file into our tree because it is no way to create it on little endian environment. If http://bugs.icu-project.org/trac/ticket/11046 is fixed, we can generate it and include it." [11:50] unfortunately that link is dead, so I don't know whether that ICU bug was fixed [11:54] https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/ICU-11046 [11:54] i think is the new thing [11:54] or not [13:26] good morning desktopers [13:27] good morning hellsworth [13:28] hi oSoMoN [13:31] Good afternoon desktoppers o/ [13:31] hey :) [13:31] hey [13:31] Shall I run this one or does kenvandine want to? :-) [13:32] * Wimpress emerges from all things Ubuntu Core and appliances [13:32] hey Wimpress [13:32] Wimpress: you can have a turn :) [13:32] OK [13:32] hey Wimpress [13:32] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 [13:32] Meeting started Tue Jun 2 13:32:43 2020 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: [13:32] Roll call: didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk [13:33] o/ [13:33] o/ [13:33] o/ [13:33] o/ [13:33] o/ [13:33] o/ [13:34] Hi all o/ [13:34] We'll cover LTS' first. [13:34] #topic rls-ff-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: rls-ff-bugs [13:34] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:35] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1881364 [13:35] Ubuntu bug 1881364 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "broken kerning" [Undecided,New] [13:35] it's a KDE issue with manually installed packages, I don't think our team should consider that as a rls target [13:35] I vote -1 [13:36] Yeah, Lubuntu. [13:36] i agree too. it's only Lubuntu [13:36] should i not but Lubuntu/Kubuntu/etc in incoming tags? [13:36] i wasn't sure so i did it anyways [13:36] I've dropped RLS [13:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1869747 [13:37] Ubuntu bug 1869747 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Recent changes have caused Xorg to fail to start. Possibly nvidia driver related." [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:37] depending if you consider there is a reason our team should be concerned by the issue [13:37] we can always discuss it [13:37] hmm ok seb128 thanks [13:38] Wimpress, that one is incomplete, I would just wontfix for now unless it proove to be a real issue and got the informations requested [13:38] Yep. [13:39] Done. [13:39] And updated. [13:39] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1872527 [13:39] Ubuntu bug 1872527 in spice-vdagent (Ubuntu Focal) "Clipboard doesn't work 100% of the time in Ubuntu 20.04 (in KVM guests)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:40] incomplete as well and I think the server team is on it [13:40] We see this because we seed the spice agent in the desktop image, right? [13:40] yes [13:40] phew [13:41] Yep, I'll just leave that one for now. [13:41] so it seems, I wouldn't shocked if mutter has something to do either too [13:41] but let's wait [13:42] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:42] that was reported before .2 landed which fixes some clipboard issues I think? [13:42] would be worth testing with the current versions [13:42] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1864307 [13:42] Ubuntu bug 1864307 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Focal) "Many apps have no icon in Software on Focal" [High,Triaged] [13:43] one for kenvandine [13:43] kenvandine: You seem to be on that. [13:44] yup [13:44] I've assigned you to the gnome-software entries. [13:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/mutter/+bug/1877075 [13:44] Ubuntu bug 1877075 in mutter (Ubuntu Groovy) "gnome-shell crashed at xcb_io.c:260: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost'' failed" [High,In progress] [13:44] Daniel seem to be on that. [13:44] right [13:45] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1876065 [13:45] Ubuntu bug 1876065 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Groovy) "After unplug headphones and plug them again no sound can be heard" [High,Fix committed] [13:46] Fix is in proposed. [13:46] right [13:46] Should we assign this to Kai [13:46] For focal. [13:46] sure [13:46] I usually don't bother reviewing the "fix commited' ones [13:46] in the meeting I mean [13:47] s/I/we [13:47] OK [13:47] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1874091 [13:47] Ubuntu bug 1874091 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "ubuntu-release-upgrader should use ubuntu-drivers and migrate people from nvidia-dkms to l-r-m" [High,Triaged] [13:48] the focal line should probably be assigned to Alberto and that's it from our side [13:48] Should that be owned by FOundations? [13:48] Done. [13:48] we own ubuntu-drivers-common [13:49] so that's for us to triage [13:49] the u-r-u part is for foundations [13:49] Yep [13:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1881137 [13:49] Ubuntu bug 1881137 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-440-server (Ubuntu Focal) "Introduce the new NVIDIA 418-server and 440-server series, and update the current NVIDIA drivers" [High,In progress] [13:50] Looks like we need to assign someone for common-drivers in the above? [13:50] tseliot I guess? [13:50] alo why is that component line washed out? [13:51] Because "undedcided"? [13:51] Alberto marked the bug as not affecting ubuntu-drivers-common today [13:51] I think that means it got deleted [13:51] Yep, just saw that. [13:52] s/today/yesterday/ [13:52] (I seem to be living in the past) [13:52] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1879475 [13:52] Ubuntu bug 1879475 in evince (Ubuntu Focal) "SRU the current 3.36.1 stable update" [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:52] I'm dealing with that one [13:52] OK [13:52] Just saw. [13:53] it's a SRU that was in the queue and got reviewed while I was off [13:53] I need to sort it out, it's on my todo for today [13:53] OK. [13:53] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1875665 [13:53] Ubuntu bug 1875665 in rtkit (Ubuntu) "rtkit-daemon[*]: Failed to make ourselves RT: Operation not permitted after upgrade to 20.04" [High,Confirmed] [13:53] that's being fixed in the kernel side [13:53] Looks like Seth is on that. [13:53] the rtkit line can probably be deleted [13:54] or marked invalid [13:55] Everything else that is Unassigned appears to be Fix commited for focal. [13:55] great :) [13:55] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:55] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:55] All clear. [13:56] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:56] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1880832 [13:56] Ubuntu bug 1880832 in wslu (Ubuntu Eoan) "[SRU] backport wslu 2.3.6-0ubuntu1 to all current supported releases" [Undecided,New] [13:56] That looks like one for Patrick. [13:56] +1 [13:57] Done [13:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1881094 [13:57] Ubuntu bug 1881094 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Bionic) "Support kernel 5.4 Intel sound driver on bionic" [Undecided,New] [13:58] paulseaudio is now marked invalid. [13:59] I think that concludes Bionic. [13:59] #topic rls-gg-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: rls-gg-bugs [13:59] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:59] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1881699 [13:59] Ubuntu bug 1881699 in linux (Ubuntu) "No analog output" [High,Confirmed] [14:01] Look fresh an jibel is triaging. [14:01] only one report, pulseaudio didn't change since focal [14:01] I would notfixing it at this point [14:01] Look like it is more kernel related. [14:02] probably [14:02] sound open firmware [14:02] I'll leave it for now. [14:02] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:03] Only 1 and it is fix committed. [14:03] seb128: Do you want to review EE? [14:04] no [14:04] we stopped doing that a while ago [14:04] Good. [14:04] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:04] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:05] glib2 lolz [14:05] well, it's mostly waiting for results [14:05] I can handle that section [14:05] Yep. [14:05] big ol queue at the minute [14:05] one of the cloud regions is fubared [14:05] Ah. [14:06] pulseaudio started failing a test on risc64, including on focal which blocks the oem SRU, great :/ [14:06] Is there anything meaningful in that list right now? [14:06] ideally it would need debugging [14:06] n-m/netplan/arm64 seems real and need debugging [14:07] Trevinho, could you look at the mutter build issue? [14:07] seb128: ok [14:07] thx [14:07] we will also probably need to investigate some of the xorg and glib reported regression [14:08] I will card things, please grab in the trello if you can [14:08] Wimpress, that should be it I think for today [14:08] Yep. [14:08] weird that mutter built properly in my schroot, while failed in various archs including amd65 [14:09] 4* [14:09] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-02 | Current topic: AOB [14:09] ANyone have anything else they want to discuss? [14:09] nothing for me [14:09] As per gnome-shell .2. Yeah, unfortunately .2 is blocked, while .3 should have been out already (reason why I waite but actually florian is busy still. Not sure if to get the debian git snapshot to focal as well. Or wait some more days... [14:10] Trevinho: Is there a good reason to grab a snapshot now? [14:10] eh, there are already lots of nice fixes in .2 that we're still missing as it also included also (from my POV) minor regressions [14:10] Right. [14:10] Trevinho, wait for .3 if you think it's going to be out in the next week or so, otherwise snapshot I would say [14:11] so, we're getting a bit late, and not sure what upstream times are... as at my question there was no date answered [14:11] What would you like to do Trevinho? [14:12] I'd define a final date, if we've not a .3, we go with the snapshot [14:12] so like... maybe thu? [14:13] +1 [14:13] If you have confidence in a snapshot release, I'm fine with it. [14:13] debian unstable has it for few days already FWIW, so.. some testers already [14:13] or cherry pick the regresion fix for the issue blocking .2? [14:14] seb128: I had that done, then I saw debian having a snapshot, while the .3 in theory would be coming Sat, so I said myself to wait [14:14] but... [14:14] nag floriqn and let( [14:15] nag florian and let's discuss again on,thursday [14:15] +1 [14:15] Anyone else have anything to discuss? [14:16] no [14:16] Looks like a no :-) [14:16] OK, thanks everyone. [14:16] thanks! [14:16] thanks [14:16] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 [14:16] Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 14:16:53 2020 UTC. [14:16] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-06-02-13.32.moin.txt [14:16] thx [14:35] Laney: putting appstream-doc to universe isn’t enough apparently. I’ll look at hilight.js [14:35] didrocks: it migrated didn't it? [14:36] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg HHUUHH [14:36] Laney: it did, but it still have hilight.js in component-mismatches [14:36] yeah! [14:37] don't understand why [14:37] I didn’t look into it, I’ll try tomorrow [14:37] just blindly demoted -doc without reminder :) [14:37] and saw it migrated, so I though c-m was good [14:45] I think it probably needs an Extra-Exclude in the seeds [15:41] didrocks, Laney, thx for the demotion, I did demote it before being away but I always forget that doing in in the release is not enough to fix proposed [15:54] nod [15:54] just pushed the seed change, hopefully that works === pavlushka is now known as blowertype === blowertype is now known as pavlushka [19:50] kenvandine: would you pretty please restart this test for me: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=arm64&package=netplan.io&trigger=network-manager/1.24.0-1ubuntu2 [19:51] hellsworth: sure [19:55] thanks