[00:06] <sirriffsalot> Eickmeyer: I just noticed that when I let US-c do its thing and run the server automatically on startup, pavucontrol no longer lets me choose where audio-output will go..
[00:06] <sirriffsalot> Whereas if I stop jack in US-c, pavucontrol shows me those options again. Any way to fix this?
[00:07] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalot: That's because you use a patchbay (like in Carla) to route the pulseaudio where to go.
[00:07] <Eickmeyer> Pulseaudio acts like a device in Jack.
[00:08] <sirriffsalot> Eickmeyer: yeah, which is great for more specific cases where I need to plug something somewhere else, but when I just want audio from a browser or some other app to go into my USB-headphones instead of my sound-card, it's somewhat of a hassle to drag two lines across to the usb-device instead of just flipping a switch, ya know?
[00:08] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalot: You don't need to run Jack when just surfing the web.
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> Pulseaudio and Jack can't coexist on the same audio devices at the same time, so this is the only way around it.
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks might have more explanation.
[00:11] <sirriffsalot> Hm, I see
[00:58] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: that is not broken
[00:58] <OvenWerks> it is very much on purpose
[00:59] <Agustin> how can i extend the screen into other monitor
[00:59] <Agustin> does anyone know
[01:01] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: as soon as pulse can "see" any alsa device it ties itself to that devices sync and if jack is bridged at the same time you will have xruns
[01:01] <OvenWerks> Agustin: I am not quite sure what you mean
[01:01] <OvenWerks> Agustin: the default with two screens is to put one of them to the left of the other
[01:02] <OvenWerks> Agustin: the screen then becomes the size of the two monitors
[01:03] <OvenWerks> unless you have a different idea of what screen is
[01:04] <Agustin> i just plugged by VGA another screen monitor to my laptop
[01:05] <Agustin> and they are showing exactly the same (mirroring)
[01:06] <Agustin> i dont want them to mirror
[01:07] <Agustin> i want the vga screen to extend the other
[01:07] <Agustin> sorry if i cant explain myself properly english is not my native language
[01:07] <Agustin> and thanks
[01:07] <OvenWerks> settings->Display->and drag the one monitor off the top of the opther I thiks
[01:08] <OvenWerks> No that is fine explanation.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> I normally boot with two screens and in that case they default side by side, but yyou are pluggin yours in while running? that may make a difference
[01:09] <Agustin> thats right
[01:09] <Agustin> i can reboot and see what happens
[01:09] <OvenWerks> first try settings
[01:09] <Agustin> yeah thanks
[01:09] <Agustin> lets see
[01:09] <OvenWerks> go to the settings manager
[01:09] <OvenWerks> scroll down till you see Dislpay
[01:10] <Agustin> HEY I CAN DO IT
[01:10] <Agustin> THANKS
[01:10] <Agustin> LOL
[01:10] <OvenWerks> great
[01:10] <Agustin> i didnt know i could do that
[01:10] <Agustin> ty very much!
[01:10] <Agustin> recently new on ubuntu
[01:10] <OvenWerks> always good to learn new things
[01:11] <Agustin> yeah ty
[01:11] <OvenWerks> Your welcome
[01:13] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: While I am working on autoswitching for headphones... I had not at all thought about USB phones
[01:14] <Agustin> hey i have another question if u have time
[01:14] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: However, the framwork I have started may deal with that in some way
[01:14] <OvenWerks> Agustin: go ahead
[01:14] <Agustin> i have an external audio device
[01:14] <OvenWerks> ok
[01:14] <Agustin> audio interface
[01:15] <Agustin> and the drivers only support mac and windows
[01:15] <Agustin> how can i run it through ubuntu?
[01:15] <OvenWerks> generally if it works on mac then it will work with linux
[01:15] <Agustin> okay didnt know
[01:16] <Agustin> i will try the mac driver
[01:16] <Agustin> i just plugged it and nothing
[01:16] <OvenWerks> mac does not allow a driver to be installed a USB device must be USB compliant
[01:16] <OvenWerks> there should be no mac drivver
[01:16] <Agustin> wow didnt know
[01:16] <OvenWerks> only windows uses drivers
[01:16] <Agustin> then why does the support page has the mac drivers
[01:16] <Agustin> strange
[01:17] <Agustin> maybe i am wrong
[01:17] <Agustin> let me take a look
[01:17] <OvenWerks> once you plugin a USB device it should just show up as an ALSA device
[01:17] <Agustin> okay lets see
[01:18] <OvenWerks> if you are running desktop audio then pavucontrol should show your usb device in both the configure tab and the output tab
[01:19] <Agustin> allright ill check
[01:19] <OvenWerks> if you are running jack then it may just show in the graph depending on how jack is set up/run
[01:23] <Agustin> wow this is really difficult
[01:23] <OvenWerks> Agustin: how so?
[01:23] <Agustin> i just cant find anything lol
[01:23] <Agustin> okay wait i can
[01:23] <Agustin> check
[01:23] <Agustin> the audio setup
[01:23] <Agustin> ond ubuntu studio controls
[01:24] <OvenWerks> if you are running jack with -controls, the default is that a plugged in device will get bridged along with other devices.
[01:25] <Agustin> yeah
[01:25] <OvenWerks> if jack is not runnung then pavucontrol will see all devices
[01:25] <Agustin> okay i will go there
[01:25] <OvenWerks> it is possible to make your usb device the jack master though
[01:25] <OvenWerks> there is an option in -controls to start pavucontrols
[01:26] <OvenWerks> there is button "open pulse control"
[01:26] <Agustin> allright
[01:30] <Agustin> okay  i think definitely it isnt showing up
[01:30] <OvenWerks> interesting
[01:30] <Agustin> it doesnt recognise the usb audio interface
[01:30] <OvenWerks> in a terminal try: aplay -l
[01:30] <Agustin> okay
[01:30] <OvenWerks> for playback devices (or the playback half)
[01:31] <OvenWerks> or arecord -l
[01:31] <OvenWerks> for a mic
[01:33] <Agustin> well okay
[01:33] <OvenWerks> which device do you have? by the way
[01:33] <Agustin> i found it
[01:33] <OvenWerks> good
[01:33] <Agustin> its an ICON Cube 4nano
[01:34] <OvenWerks> ok, not one I know of... but there are a lot
[01:34] <Agustin> ahah yes
[01:34] <Agustin> ...i think i found it
[01:35] <Agustin> check this up
[01:35] <Agustin> **** Lista de PLAYBACK dispositivos hardware ****tarjeta 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], dispositivo 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]  Subdispositivos: 1/1  Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0tarjeta 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], dispositivo 0: ALC269VB Analog [ALC269VB Analog]  Subdispositivos: 1/1  Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
[01:35] <Agustin> hows yout spanish btw? ajaj
[01:35] <OvenWerks> probably don't post in here direct :)
[01:36] <OvenWerks> I should have done it aplay -l
[01:36] <OvenWerks> I should have done it aplay -l |pastebinit
[01:36] <OvenWerks> (the second line not the first)
[01:37] <OvenWerks> spanish is not great but I am familiar with the layout well enough
[01:38] <Agustin> okay okay
[01:38] <Agustin> well i think i ll continue later
[01:38] <Agustin> i still have
[01:38] <Agustin> lots of learning to do
[01:39] <Agustin> im pretty much used to windows
[01:40] <Agustin> what did you mean by "probably dont post in here direct" it was confusing
[01:40] <OvenWerks> on the other hand I have only even needed to deal with windows more than 15 years ago
[01:40] <OvenWerks> best to pastebin and give the pastebin url here
[04:55] <sirriffsalot> OvenWerks: great, that is a somewhat necessary feature imo
[05:19] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot:  being what? headphones I guess :)
[05:21] <OvenWerks> using more than one audio device at the same time just makes the system less.... less pro, less stable, just less.
[05:22] <OvenWerks> usb headphones, like USB mics are very much a compromise that a professional studio would avoid
[05:39] <OvenWerks> the Internal audio device setup on modern computers (HDA) tries to do "everything" with minimum parts count and maximum software control. So just pluggin in a headphone requires sw action :P
[05:39] <OvenWerks> That is what I am fixing now.
[05:41] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: if you are using internal audio for normal use with speakers and only use your headphones aside from that...
[05:42] <OvenWerks> perhaps just setup jack for internal audio then setup your headphones as USB jack master. If all works as it should... jack will auto restart with your phones as the default output when you plug them in and go back to speaker when you unplug them
[05:43] <OvenWerks> if these are really USB wireless phones.... be aware that they may require a higher latency
[05:45] <OvenWerks> (unplug in this case means unplug the USB plug not any downstream plug after that)