[01:14] <en50> Is the time supposed to display like "9 : 14 PM" instead of 9:14 PM like it used to be, or is there just something going on with my configuration?
[01:14] <en50> In GNOME, on the top bar.
[01:15] <robertparkerx> is clamav good to have?
[01:16] <robertparkerx> ...for a personal server that has some project in production
[01:16] <sarnold> robertparkerx: I'd only bother if your machine handles stuff for windows computers
[01:17] <robertparkerx> no
[01:17] <robertparkerx> it doesn't
[01:17] <robertparkerx> it has a httpd with some php projects
[01:18] <sarnold> I'd skip it
[01:18] <robertparkerx> Thank you sarnold
[01:37] <tarelerulz> I can't seem to install a lot of apps ,  Something about my Kernel updating ,but I'm not sure , it seem file updating my system until the kernel part and grub. https://pastebin.com/58UguF28
[01:42] <sarnold> tarelerulz: is there anything in dmesg? journalctl?
[01:43] <tarelerulz> Forget me I don't know how to do that.
[01:48] <tarelerulz> could installing more then one os , like a different linux mess stuff up?
[01:49] <tripelb> I've got a problem. 20.04 it just slows down. I did top and it seems like there's something called the Plex server. I'd like to find out where it is and uninstall it. Can you help me.?
[01:50] <tripelb> Oh and it runs as root
[01:50] <sarnold> tripelb: check snap list
[01:51] <tripelb> How do I check a snap list? Plus I remove snap and added flat pack in the opposite order.
[01:51] <tripelb> I am looking in the chrome extensions now
[01:51] <tripelb> Not a chrome ext.
[01:55] <tripelb> I googled how to see my snap extensions and it gave me a DP kg for how to see all installed programs which didn't work
[01:56] <tripelb> Wouldn't it show when I search for programs
[01:56] <tripelb> I've got other things going on. I can't get the display back to single screen. I was using two monitors for a while and now I don't want to do it today
[01:56] <tripelb> When I open settings it just doesn't show on my laptop screen
[01:57] <tripelb> It appears in the dock and then a number one appears on the left but I don't have a way to change it
[01:58] <tripelb> Sorry I don't have a big sophisticated Linux problem but I would love help
[01:59] <tripelb> This is what happened yesterday after I went to settings The whole computer locks up. Yesterday about every 30 seconds the mouse would move 2 in and that was the best I could do
[02:00] <tripelb> Well I need to reboot anyway ... because I installed the strain IRC client from flat pack. I don't find hex chat convenient. It's somewhat like MIRC 20 years ago
[02:01] <bindi> tripelb: press 'c' in 'top' to see the full path of the running command
[02:02] <bindi> plex media server is a legit software, but if you dont know what it is, its probably something bad in a disguise
[02:02] <bindi> it certainly shouldn't run as root, if it was the real deal
[02:03] <tripelb> Understood.
[02:03] <tripelb> I got something bad from Linux?. I think I clicked on something That said Plex server. I thought I would try it.
[02:04] <bindi> you clicked what exactly?
[02:04] <tripelb> I guess I can reinstall 20.04 if I need to but all those extra things I add take a while like a day of my time.
[02:04] <tripelb> I don't remember exactly what I clicked on or I'd be reporting it in a more concise manner.
[02:04] <tripelb> It probably was a couple weeks ago
[02:04] <bindi> browser history?
[02:05] <tripelb> I could look in my browser history. I probably have about 5,000 things in it in 2 weeks.
[02:05] <bindi> you can search in it for plex
[02:05] <tripelb> Ah ha, but of course. Will do. Thanks bindi.
[02:08] <tripelb> This is just a b****. I could not drag a picture from my desktop to a file's window onto the icon for the folder pictures, I had to have two file windows/tabs and drag it from one to another.  (I see this as a bug)
[02:11] <tripelb> Oh I found it. Looks like I have a Plex account bindi
[02:12] <tarelerulz> is there away to not do os prob?
[02:15] <warsoul> need help
[02:15] <warsoul> trying to install debian with netinstall
[02:15] <warsoul> but wifi network is not found
[02:17] <tarelerulz> anyone have problem instaling linux-image-5.4.0-33-generic?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: "/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober" ? Details might be good :P
[02:19] <tarelerulz> Processing triggers for ca-certificates (20190110ubuntu1.1) I got that
[02:20] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: Sorry - I do not know the ca-certificates process ;(
[02:21] <tarelerulz> well, I can't install a bunch of apps and it says something about the grub being messed up and now about not installing linux-image-5.4.0-33-generic
[02:22] <tarelerulz> I really want to install geany or something like that but  the kernel part keeps coming up.
[02:22] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic eoan
[02:23] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic focal
[02:25] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: Pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we see the state of the package manager.
[02:28] <tarelerulz> https://pastebin.com/Z5ZCYGRt
[02:28] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: looking ^ ,
[02:31] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: Install an app ? how about inxi ? A very useful utility.
[02:34] <tarelerulz> sudo dpkg --configure -a dpkg: error processing package linux-image-5.4.0-33-generic (--configure
[02:35] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: ^ not much help - pastebin the output in its entirety to get the context. ( then we look at what kernels are installed).
[02:36] <guiverc> warsoul, this is a Ubuntu support room, not Debian
[02:37] <tarelerulz> https://pastebin.com/Qt9Tjndd
[02:43] <tarelerulz> have any of you had the problem of updating the kernel and not installing some apps at all?
[02:43] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: I know nothing of void or Gentoo - but we can look at "error: out of memory.". What shows ' free -m ' ?
[02:45] <tarelerulz> https://pastebin.com/cprjAJ2g
[02:46] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: Got me - that ^ says you have plenty of memory :(
[02:48] <tarelerulz> being so broken ,  I really have no idea what is going on.  Ubuntu 18.04 had  the same problem I think
[02:50] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: With the other operating systems thrown into the mix - you might get better responses in the ##linux channel.
[02:51] <tarelerulz> Ok, Why do that matter?
[02:52] <Bashing-om> tarelerulz: gentoo is LVM - maybe ubuntu is not playing nice there ?
[02:53] <Camtist> o/
[02:53] <Camtist> Anyone here?
[02:54] <Camtist> Ran into an issue with installing Ubuntu Desktop 20.04
[02:55] <genii> !details
[02:59] <Camtist> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/RDL7TEWA/Summary
[03:08] <guiverc> Camtist, did you let the scan of your install media run, and did it complete successfully?
[03:08] <Camtist> I believe the initial scan did?
[03:09] <Camtist> It had the bar at the very start and that loaded fully
[03:09] <Camtist> Then went onto the orange and purple background and the window with options
[03:10] <guiverc> if it's a HDD/ssd health issue, I'd check SMART health (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools) from the 'live' session (try ubuntu)  if desktop; gnome-disks & GUI provide easier detail than `smartctl` from CLI (command line)
[03:10] <Camtist> Did a normal install, checked off download updates and install third party, wanted to erase the disk and install ubuntu, put in location and name and all that
[03:10] <Camtist> Ah, thank you
[03:12] <guiverc> Camtist, I do see some issues with ACPI errors after installation (not during; askubu etc) but I'd opt for health/hardware checks first
[03:13] <Camtist> *nods*
[03:13] <Camtist> Oh that's different here
[03:13]  * Camtist nods
[04:41] <iKarus987> How do i turn off mouse accelration ?
[04:41] <iKarus987> or enhancement
[04:41] <iKarus987> i can sense ubuntu has it
[04:41] <iKarus987> :(
[04:41] <iKarus987> i use ubuntu for gaming
[05:57] <kvndy> Hello I've lost audio again. Speakers work. If I reboot while the headphone jack is not plugged in, headphone jack works, until I press pause in VLC and come back a few minutes later. Then I have to type `$ sudo alsa force-reload` and restart VLC, which fixes audio in the headphones.
[05:58] <kvndy> Audio did not work at all in Ubuntu 20.04 until the most recent update
[05:59] <kvndy> I have no question. Thanks everyone
[06:02] <toffe> Hi guys, I have the weirdest problem. At random times when I start a software called IntelliJ my two extra screens turns off and says "No signal", my laptop screen is still on. If I go to another TTY then kill the intellij process then back to ctrl+alt+f2 i get the two screens back. I've updated from 19.04 to 20.04 both had the same problem. The weird things is that it suddenly works another day, it seems
[06:02] <toffe> random :/ any tip?
[06:23] <poutine> Using the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel 2 questions 1) I am using Ubuntu Bionic (18.04.04 LTS), but kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic is 4.x and my kernel version is 5.x, I see bionic-signed, but I am not doing a signed build, what should I use to check out from git here? 2) How do I take advantage of a 16 core CPU here since it's not using make-kpkg/make
[06:25] <TJ-> poutine: 5.x is from the next release, so you'd need the ubuntu-eoan git repo (is that the 5.x !? )
[06:25] <poutine> TJ-: I am using a fairly default configuration and have 5.3.0-51
[06:27] <poutine> I guess I somehow unknowingly got into HWE, will read up more on that
[06:27] <TJ-> poutine: that presumably comes from 19.10 Eoan via the HWE of Bionic
[06:27] <TJ-> !hwe | poutine
[06:28] <poutine> someone implemented their own sound driver blacklist that cannot be bypassed in 5.3.x and it broke my sound that has been working for quite some time :/
[06:28] <poutine> thanks TJ- for the pointer
[06:29] <TJ-> Strange issue here with multiple laptops and 20.04 - we have 2 Wifi APs on the same SSID 3o metres apart and *only* these laptops insist on connecting to the furthest! Smartphones connect to the closest without a problem. NetworkManager, even using "nmcli con up SSID ap BSSID" to connect to the closer AP, seems to ignore it
[06:29] <NickShades> Hello. I am attempting to build a LAMP stack. Is there anyone present with experience setting up one?
[06:29] <TJ-> s/3o/30/
[06:31] <NickShades> TJ: Do they have antennas on the closer ones?
[06:31] <TJ-> NickShades: install the individual packages and configure whatever web service it is you're intending to deploy. LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL/MaraiDB, PHP/Python/Perl :)
[06:31] <TJ-> NickShades: they're all Unifi APs
[06:31] <NickShades> mmm.
[06:31] <TJ-> NickShades: indeed!
[06:32] <TJ-> NickShades: re: LAMP  prefer replacing the M with (P)ostgreSQL
[06:32] <NickShades> TJ: Do I need MaraiDB in addition to MySQL? I am only attempting to run a WordPress installation. And i'm having touble installing phpMyAdmin after completing the stack - but no MaraiDB.
[06:32] <NickShades> I was under the impression that Marai was a substitution of MySQL
[06:32] <TJ-> NickShades: no you don't - MariaDB was the fork of MySQL when Oracle bought MySQL
[06:33] <NickShades> interesting.
[06:33] <TJ-> NickShades: MariaDB is seen as the truly open and unfettered successor to MySQL due to Oracle's business practices and tentacles
[06:33] <TJ-> NickShades: rather like Nagios > Icinga
[06:33] <NickShades> I wonder if I should uninstall my whole installation and start fresh.
[06:34] <NickShades> if I could just get phpMyAdmin to install, I feel as though I could go through with my installation of wordpress. but... this is the first one which I have ever done, and documentation I am finding online seems dated.
[06:37] <poutine> TJ-: So any idea how to change concurrency (threads) when using this fakeroot debian/rules build method?
[06:38] <TJ-> poutine: yeah I've used that method many times, let me dig out the docs on those options for you
[06:42] <poutine> TJ-: debian/rules -j 32 might have been it, I did see --parallel and --max-parallel, but this seems more like the way
[06:46] <TJ-> poutine: see https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/eoan/tree/debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk#n203
[06:47] <poutine> thanks TJ-
[06:47] <TJ-> NickShades: phpMyAdmin relies on a working PHP install, so I'd guess if you have problems that issue is in the Apache/PHP integrations
[06:49] <NickShades> got it.
[06:49] <NickShades> I'll look into it maybe some other time. I was hoping it was going to be a bit easier than this. I feel like it might be an error within the Ubuntu Cinammon Remix distro which I am using.
[06:49] <NickShades> I am having apt-get issues with a couple elements of its update/upgrade
[06:53] <kvndy> Hello again. It turns out quitting all apps using audio, unplugging headphones, restarting alsa, starting VLC and playing a video, and after that finally inserting headphone jack is what restores audio. It is needed every time audio stops. in VLC or on a web page. The only way I can restore audio is by using VLC, no other audio source works from early investigation.
[07:06] <TJ-> NickShades: sounds likely
[07:06] <TJ-> kvndy: is the system not using PulseAudio?
[07:13] <kvndy> TJ-: PulseAudio runs. The command I type is `$ sudo alsa force-reload`
[08:23] <daman1209arora> join #python
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/ that seems to be badly broken, networking does not work during install
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> I briefly though my kvm was broken
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> but it's not
[08:44] <imi> hi I'm still on 19.10 is it too early to upgrade to 20.04?
[08:46] <oerheks> imi, no, upgrade path is open, not for 18.04 LTS users, see !ltsupgrade factoid
[08:46] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[08:46] <oerheks> and read the releasenotes
[08:46] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[08:48] <imi> upgrade manager as an upgrade to 20.04 button. Can I just press it? what will happen to my installed snaps?
[08:48] <imi> *has
[08:49] <oerheks> prepare a fresh iso on usb and have fun
[08:50] <imi> does it mean I need to do a fresh install?
[08:51] <oerheks> no, i would prepare an usb, just in case somthing went wrong
[08:53] <imi> I see
[08:54] <imi> good idea
[08:54] <imi> what will happen to my installed snaps?
[08:54] <oerheks> no reason to think something will change for snaps
[09:00] <imi> so they will just keep working
[09:07] <eliyahutbr> morning peeps
[09:07] <Stephanie> Hi
[09:07] <eliyahutbr> i got two issues today and would appreciate any assistance
[09:07] <eliyahutbr>  one is non official so i understand if no support. i'm using deezer via snap and I have no sound output. Sound from chrome works
[09:07] <eliyahutbr> any ideas?
[09:08] <eliyahutbr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gWHhZWvqHK/ is the second isse
[09:08] <eliyahutbr> issue
[09:09] <Stephanie> eliyahutbr, Open software sources
[09:10] <eliyahutbr> how do i do that Stpehanie?
[09:10] <eliyahutbr> assume I'm a complete noob
[09:10] <eliyahutbr> (pretty close to accurate)
[09:10] <Stephanie> eliyahutbr, pres the windows button on the bottom left of your keyboard
[09:10] <Stephanie> Then type "Software Sources" (without quotes)
[09:11] <oerheks> eliyahutbr, werent you here before?
[09:11] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1187236/how-to-re-enable-ftp-on-secondary-ubuntu-debian-server-to-pull-updates-from-main
[09:11] <oerheks> reverse that step
[09:13] <eliyahutbr> https://pasteboard.co/JblWaUU.png
[09:13] <eliyahutbr> oerheks, tried that yesterday
[09:13] <eliyahutbr> i'm on LTS, not beaver
[09:17] <eliyahutbr> oerheks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qbN3tqNBhr/
[09:18] <oerheks> no, yesterday i advised to remove; /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local-ftp
[09:27] <eliyahutbr> and i did
[09:27] <eliyahutbr> just redid it
[09:27] <eliyahutbr> one i remove, then what?
[09:27] <eliyahutbr> re removed it
[09:28] <oerheks> not ure if you need any step to update again? have you tried?
[09:28] <oerheks> dpkg --configure -a # might fix things..
[10:34] <nikicajea> hello
[10:34] <nikicajea> anyone here?
[10:35] <ikonia> many people
[10:37] <nikicajea> nice. Is this the right place to get some help with ubuntu problems?
[10:38] <rud0lf> yes
[10:41] <nikicajea> Alright. Yesterday I have installed ubuntu 20.04 LTS on my thinkpad. And since then I had 2 crashes with an error: xorg crashed with sigsegv in mipointersetposition(). I tried to google the bug, but I didnt found any solution.
[10:46] <nikicajea> What should I do?
[10:50] <oerheks> Dit you get a report-a-problem dialog?
[10:51] <nikicajea> yes. How can I send that do you?
[10:51] <oerheks> and did you send the crash report?
[10:51] <nikicajea> yes
[10:52] <oerheks> here is the 'unreadable' crashreport stored; ls -l /var/crash/
[10:52] <nikicajea> ok, and what now?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> nikicajea: the developers have your report now, can start debug things
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> nikicajea: is your system up to date?
[10:54] <oerheks> i cannot read that file too, one can find the status of the report if you know your ID
[11:08] <nikicajea> This is just what I could get: https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/fdcde6098ca111da3d1a0bb7e1ea46fecd93ed564497a49e8f3076a82d869289c83ce8944655a0c0acf831982e19011036f8c6f136ccd860cc6bd59238170887
[11:09] <nikicajea> But I guess you dont have the access to read the report...so Im stuck with this crash bug forever I guess... -.-
[11:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:16] <jennis> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 and i've connected to an external monitor with speakers using an HDMI. I've changed my sound output device to my headphones (and also tried to just change it to the default laptop speakers) but the output won't change from the external monitor
[11:16] <jennis> Wondered if anyone had any suggestions?
[11:21] <jennis> Weird, from the sound settings if I test one of the "Alert Sounds" I can hear this through my headphones, but, spotify/youtube for example, play through the monitor
[11:23] <XoCluTch> question, should any user without sudo permissions beable to perform a shutdown -r, via the console?
[11:23] <XoCluTch> or is this a bug
[11:25] <ticapix> Hi
[11:26] <ticapix> I'm trying to install ubuntu-20.04 via PXE. The iso is fetched, it's booting, the meta-data and user-data file are fetched (check httpd log).
[11:27] <ticapix> On the KVM, I can see "the installer running on /dev/ttyS0 will perform the autoinstall"
[11:27] <ticapix> but no idea where to find the install log because apparently nothing is being installed
[11:29] <Intelo> How to install firefox on ubuntu-server?
[11:50] <ticapix> inside /var/log/installer obviously
[11:51] <oerheks> Intelo, interesting, without desktop / DM ?
[11:51] <oerheks> how would you use firefox?
[11:53] <ticapix> Intelo: apt install firefox
[11:55] <imi> hi, as far as I can tell the upgrade succeeded. previously I used autotrash -d 30 to clear files from my trash bin, but now as far as I can tell, there's no autotrash executable. can I somehow make ubuntu 20.04 to delete files older than 30 days from my trash bin?
[11:57] <oerheks> why not clear your whole trashbin?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> why use the trash at all ?  ;-)
[12:03] <ioria> imi, it's a snap now (autotrash-unofficial)
[12:03] <larkfisherman> hey guys, I'm trying to set up PXE boot server, I've set up dnsmasq to serve as DHCP server on my wired interface, set the "lease" addresses to 192.168.0.50-150, but when the PXE client tries to connect, the server gets "DHCPREQUEST" for address "192.168.0.135" and dmasq responds with "DNSNAK" with message "lease not found". Why could this happen
[12:03] <larkfisherman> and how do I overcome this?
[12:04] <larkfisherman> s/dmasq/dnsmasq/
[12:05] <imi> ioria: ok thanks
[12:10] <ioria> imi, ok
[12:10] <ioria> larkfisherman, the client is an uefi system ?
[12:25] <Intelo> oerheks: ok
[12:26] <Intelo> Something is running on port 80. How can I detect and uninstall it?
[12:27] <Intelo> When I go to localhost in browser, it redirects me to https://localhost:9392/login/login.html Greenbone Security Assistant
[12:30] <larkfisherman> ioria I suppose it is.
[12:30] <larkfisherman> The server is really acting weird so it itsn't easy to check anything. USB boot doesn't work, that's why I'm trying PXE.
[12:30] <larkfisherman> s/server/client
[12:53] <nikicajea> Hi! I had an Xorg  crash error (ubuntu errno 21 ls is a directory driver/nvidia/gpus). I think I smay olved the issue by installing an older nvidia driver (390 instead of 440). Does this make any sense why would this work?
[12:53] <nikicajea> Hi! I had an Xorg  crash error (ubuntu errno 21 ls is a directory driver/nvidia/gpus). I think I may solved the issue by installing an older nvidia driver (390 instead of 440). Does this make any sense why would this work?
[12:53] <nikicajea> sry for double msg
[13:30] <dan01> hi
[13:31] <dan01> Ubuntu 20.04 installation is not recognizing my wifi, Lenovo IdeaPad S540-IWL
[13:31] <dan01> After installtion I can see the wifi icon but no netwroks are detected
[13:35] <dan01> hi, I'm back
[13:37] <hugolebelzic> hello
[14:02] <ace_me> hi all. Can somebody tell me where should I ask for a Ubuntu review of how it handles the multi-monitor flow...?
[14:10] <etronik> I'm finding latest libreoffice 6.4.4 very buggy, how do I downgrade to 6.3 stable ?
[14:11] <oerheks> etronik, interesting .. 6.4.4. is not from our repos, right?
[14:11] <etronik> err I'm not sure, how do I figure that one out ?
[14:11] <oerheks> oh, launchpad shows that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice
[14:12] <oerheks> and you know how you installed it from a 3rd party source, maybe direct download?
[14:12] <oerheks> i think remove LO, and install it from softwarecenter
[14:12] <etronik> ok might try that one
[14:12] <etronik> which version is on launchpad ?
[14:13] <etronik> 6.4.3 ? is that it ?
[14:13] <oerheks> without proper info what ubuntu version, dunno
[14:13] <etronik> I'm on 18.04
[14:14] <etronik> don't recall the name on this 18.04 release
[14:15] <oerheks> 6.0.7
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> maybe he installed the snap oerheks
[14:17] <oerheks> oh right..
[14:17] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/libreoffice
[14:17] <etronik> lotuspsychje, dou don't mean me installing the snap right ?
[14:17] <etronik> lotuspsychje, you don't mean me installing the snap right ?
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> etronik: no, what i meant is you perhaps installed the snap and found it buggy?
[14:18] <etronik> nope !
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> oh ok, then follow oerheks advice further then
[14:18] <etronik> just either the regular .deb downloaded from LO site or... software center
[14:19] <etronik> ok,what's the name of the 18.04 release pls ? just to determine which version would be installed
[14:19] <oerheks> 6.0.7 .. easy to spot
[14:19] <oerheks> really, if someone asks for the name, you clearly did not give it a search
[14:20] <etronik> yeah, didn't search because it might on the tip of the tongue for everyone out here
[14:21] <etronik> ok
[14:21] <etronik> bionic
[14:23] <etronik> the strange thing is 6.0.6 is not even mentioned in the LO download page... from 6.0 to 6.3 (latest stable) - that's old...
[14:24] <etronik> not sure I want to got that far back :-)
[14:24] <etronik> so... maybe I'll remove current and install .deb for latest stable from LO site
[14:45] <djtravz> (I just asked in #xubuntu, but here seems more popular, so I will ask here as well) Hello, I need to reformat my drive to MBR. If I made a backup of my partition with gnome-disk-utility, would I be able to restore that image once I switch partition tables?
[15:06] <djtravz> im going to try other troubleshooting steps before switching partition tables, i guess
[15:13] <vaguelyevolution> djtravz: in general, you should be able to. why are you switching to MBR if you don't mind me asking?
[15:14] <stevecam> is it just me or is ubuntu getting a lot of attention from a broad user base..... to put it nicely
[15:15] <vaguelyevolution> stevecam: isn't that kind of the goal?
[15:21] <stevecam> vaguelyevolution, that's not what im commenting on
[15:22] <johnfg> hi folks!
[15:23] <vaguelyevolution> stevecam: you can message what i'm missing and be blunt if you want
[15:23] <vaguelyevolution> johnfq: hi
[15:23] <johnfg> Once a systemd is enabled with --user, shouldn't it start automatically at login?
[15:23] <johnfg> a systemd service, i.e.
[15:23] <sharpertool> I've never been able to get vnc setup properly on my Ubuntu 20.04 install. Most references I've found include 'vncconfig -iconic &' as part fo the setup, but my system does not have vncconfig
[15:24] <sharpertool> and it isn't an apt-get install either
[15:25] <johnfg> sharpertool: what vnc are you using?  remmina works great here.
[15:25] <sharpertool> I've tried them all.
[15:25] <sharpertool> I cannot figure out what remmina is
[15:25] <sharpertool> to be frank
[15:25] <sharpertool> I want to vnc INTO Ubuntu from a Mac
[15:26] <stevecam> There are a lot of very general questions in askubuntu that you would expect from a windows forum, vaguelyevolution is that blunt enough?
[15:26] <sharpertool> is remmina a vnc server? The website is really not clear on this, IMO
[15:26] <johnfg> sharpertool: Have you got vpn set up?
[15:26] <sharpertool> I'm going to say no.
[15:26] <stevecam> remina is a client
[15:26] <sharpertool> My Ubuntu desktop is sitting next to my Mac, so it's a local network.
[15:27] <sharpertool> Oh, to be clear, - I have VNC working, in some regards. I can vnc into the main desktop, which is served by vino-server
[15:27] <sharpertool> I've been using this for a while but it has one issue -- the 'resolution' is fixed by what screens I have attached.
[15:27] <johnfg> sharpertool: perhaps you can just ssh from the mac to ubuntu.
[15:27] <sharpertool> I have 6 monitors here. 4 on my mac, and 2 for Ubuntu, that are really JUST to set the geometry
[15:28] <stevecam> i am a little confused, why is it unclear about remmina and it being a client
[15:28] <sharpertool> @johnfg  - I do that all the time
[15:28] <sharpertool> But, I have apps that launch guis..
[15:28] <sharpertool> I am doing hardware engineering, so using Quartus, Platform Designer.. these are Java apps with Guis
[15:28] <akem> sharpertool, Just run x11vnc on Ubuntu X session, something like: x11vnc -speeds lan -scale 0.8 -passwd eatmyshort -noxdamage -verbose -noxrecord
[15:28] <akem> And: vncviewer <IP> on your Mac.
[15:29] <sharpertool> I've tried every which way to make that work. I can launch a vncserver, using tightvnc, and 've tried others.
[15:29] <sharpertool> But, when I connect from Mac using "VNC Viewer", I get a blank desktop, with an ugly background.
[15:29] <sharpertool> I can't even get the background to be grey.
[15:29] <akem> sharpertool, Do you use Wayland?
[15:30] <sharpertool> I've hacked on ~/.vnc/xstartup till I can't stand it... tried every combination I can conceive of..
[15:30] <sharpertool> sorry @akem -- what is Wayland?
[15:30] <akem> sharpertool, The replacement of X org for display.
[15:31] <sharpertool> I do not know. I did not intentionally install it
[15:31] <akem> You can select Xorg or Wayland at login screen usually.
[15:31] <akem> Clicking the little gear icon or the Ubuntu logo i don't remember exactly.
[15:31] <ducasse> sharpertool: which de are you using? try one that doesn't use 3d accel
[15:34] <stevecam> sharpertool, you arent a hardware engineerer
[15:34] <sharpertool> I logged out of the Ubuntu. I do not see any 'Wayland" option. There are options in upper right corner, just bluetooth, etc. On lowr right there is settings gear, and there are a handful of options there, I'm using "Ubuntu". There are also XFce Session, Gnome + Remmina Kiost, and more
[15:34] <sharpertool> But no "Wayland"
[15:35] <sharpertool> @stevecam - I'm pretty sure I am, Last time I checked.
[15:35] <stevecam> sharpertool, is there an Xorg or X option
[15:35] <sharpertool> no
[15:35] <stevecam> im not arguing the point, i can help you, but this lying is just silly
[15:36] <sharpertool> Why are you certain I am not? What information leads you to this conclusion.
[15:36] <sharpertool> -- it isn't relevant to my vnc session isssues though.
[15:37] <ace_me> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade crashed when I answered D to: show the differences between the versions for Configuration file '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mysql.cnf'
[15:38] <ace_me> anyone can please tell me how to kill update manager ? kill -9 is saying no such process
[15:38] <ducasse> sharpertool: try the xfce session and turn off the compositor in the settings
[15:38] <ace_me> id of process was taken with ps -aux Â grep UpdateManager
[15:38] <sharpertool> Let me try that
[15:38] <stevecam> just stop, please, i am not getting in to it, you could see if x was running, are you logged in?
[15:39] <ducasse> if he's using xfce he's definitely on x11
[15:39] <stevecam> 'ps -A|grerp Xorg'
[15:40] <sharpertool> @ducasse - that option did not want to start. I then noticed "Gnome on Xorg" -- which was mentioned already. I launched that.
[15:40] <ducasse> gnome uses 3d accel
[15:41] <stevecam> can you log in to another VNC server that isn't a Mac
[15:42] <sharpertool> @stevecam - I am logging into Ubunto from the mac,
[15:42] <vaguelyevolution> johnfq: it should, did you put the user-unit in ~/.config/systemd/user ?
[15:42] <ace_me> anyone can tell me how to kill UpdateManager which seems to be stucked on my machine ?
[15:43] <stevecam> so Ubuntu is giving you the blank screen?
[15:43] <sharpertool> To be clear, my problem is not the main login screen, that is fine. I'm able to login on the attached monitors, KB/Mouse fine. I can then VNC into that login session fine.
[15:43] <stevecam> On your Mac, you are having trouble logging in to Ubuntu and all you can see is a blank screen?
[15:43] <bumblefuzz> any reason why I can't choose a resolution higher than 1360 x 768?
[15:43] <bumblefuzz> fresh ubuntu install
[15:44] <sharpertool> What I cannot do is launch a vncserver on day port 5901 or 5901 and get a new session there. When I connect, I get a vnc window, but it won't start any session manager, can't open apps, etc.
[15:44] <sharpertool> I hope that is clear?
[15:45] <stevecam> What session manager are you trying to use?
[15:47] <sharpertool> I've tried Gnome, xfce4, kde. -- but I think that is not the session manager.
[15:48] <sharpertool> sorry, I get a big confused on those poinrs. what is what in the stack. I am trying to use `startxfce4 &` -- is that the session manager?
[15:49] <stevecam> that is the window manager
[15:50] <sharpertool> Well, this is where I am confused, and not experienced enough about these details
[15:50] <sharpertool> Previously I did ps -A | Grep Xorg, and there are 2 Xorg processes
[15:50] <stevecam> It sounds like what you need is an X server that is also running as a VNC server, am I correct?
[15:53] <sharpertool> To be honest, I'd go headless on the Ubuntu system if I could figure that out..
[15:53] <sharpertool> I started with what worked. I could vnc into the vino-server, which serves my login session. The only problem is that the screen size doesn't match my Mac screens.
[15:54] <sharpertool> I have been using that for a while and it's been great.
[15:55] <stevecam> Have you considered using x2go? I know that it doesn't solve your problem
[15:55] <sharpertool> A couple of days ago, I went into install some Nvidia drivers, and setup Cuda. after doing that, I noticed my "vnc" session was acting odd. when I type in a terminal, there is lag, and the cursor lags, and editing the command line witih vi is really a pain.... almost unusable. So, I've gone back to looking at these other alternatives.
[15:56] <sharpertool> If I use the attached screens and mouse, the terminal is snappy as expected, so I've narrowed it down to the vino-server somehow.
[15:56] <sharpertool> I don't know what x2go is.
[15:58] <sharpertool> Uh -- okay, looked it up.. x2go actually looks to be exactly what I want, at a quick glance.
[15:58] <sharpertool> I just want to fully use my Ubuntu, with gui apps as needed, but from my Mac. Mostly cause My mac has a really big LG Ultrawide montior... and 3 other monitors around it.
[15:59] <stevecam> It is not going to help with your GPU trouble, but will deal with some of the 2D stuff real well, and you can use your Mac to manage your windows also so it appears as if they are running on your Mac
[16:02] <sharpertool> The GPU is not my real issue at this time.
[16:02] <stevecam> I use mate for mine, KDE and Gnome will not work, the problem with VNC might be something to do with being headless, I have to use dummy HDMI adapters for my PC to do anything like that, you could have a bit of luck with fake EDID profiles
[16:05] <sharpertool> I went old school. I had 2 monitors available, so I just connected them. I'm sitting surrounded by 8 screens to be honest.
[16:06] <sharpertool> So, my Ubuntu isn't actually headless... the EDID would be better, I could avoid the monitors.
[16:06] <sharpertool> But, I've been trying to setup "additional" vncserver sessions so that I could connect multiple times, and possible resolve this issue with the keyboard lag.
[16:07] <sharpertool> The keyboard lag is the thing that is just *CRUSHING* my productivity..
[16:09] <stevecam> You probably want to stay away from official nVidia drivers, they have ways of disabling features like these intentionally, it's more common with their Windows drivers
[16:10] <sharpertool> yes, I learned that too late.
[16:12] <sharpertool> I do not know what driver was being used when I did the fresh install.. but I'd like to just go back to that and uninstall the nvidia stuff completely.
[16:22] <sharpertool> By the way -- a huge "thank you" for all of the assistance from @stevecam, @ducase and a couple of others that offered some advice.
[16:27] <donofrio> sharpertool, I found that w10 drivers do better video than linux (for multihead uses - also forced to use linux at work and this is all driven by one corp w10 notebook) tinyurl.com/donofriodownstairsoffice2020
[16:30] <sharpertool> Oh, that is pretty cool @donofrio - nicely done
[16:30] <donofrio> (it's WSL1 w/w10 providing sanity when locked into corp windows world and no ms store) with ubuntu 18.04 and xfce4
[16:31] <donofrio> I'll be in #ubuntu-on-windows if you have more thoughts folks here don't like my setup cause it had to many manual steps or something....
[16:33] <donofrio> I used to have six monitors and three desktop's running ubuntu and synergy but when IA came around asking for ddns, group policy enforing and such I gave up and turned into the wave
[16:37] <donofrio> sharpertool, it was a grand setup - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsBlZbBf72iNrSKiD9bzZgGZ0NTm back circa 2015
[16:38] <donofrio> windows desktop was notebook under phone...that I remmina's into to read outlook and the like....
[17:00] <blueingress> hi, is there someone in ubuntu core team here? I found that there's problem syncing packages, https://pastebin.com/nmpiaT94
[17:01] <blueingress> I think something might have been changed in China's mirror servers.
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> blueingress: problems with repos & mirrors, try in #ubuntu-mirrors please
[17:33] <donofrio> blueingress, did you try apt-get update first?
[17:40] <oerheks> the error says; mirror sync in progress?   so try again in a minute, if that does not work, remove lists; sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists  && sudo apt update ## https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[17:56] <onio> Hi, I have a logitech C920 webcam that I use on Ubuntu 20.04. I would like to be able to adjust the zoom, tilt and brightness etc during an active video call.
[17:59] <onio> I can do this with guvcview if I am not connected to application such as Skype, Meetup or gotomeeting which means I have to end video call, adjust and then reconnect
[17:59] <onio> any idea how I can got about adjusting settings while video call is in progress.
[18:00] <onio> correction: got => go
[18:16] <imi> hi
[18:16] <imi> what screen recording software do you recommend for ubuntu 20.04?
[18:17] <onio> imi, I use simplescreenrecorder
[18:17] <imi> I used to use green recorder iirc 1-2 years ago
[18:18] <imi> where the sw installer app went? how is it called now? (for bonus points: how is it called in hungarian?)
[18:20] <onio> https://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
[18:20] <bytesafari> Open imi: Open Broadcaster Software (OBS) is another screen recording software that you could use
[18:20] <bytesafari> https://obsproject.com
[18:22] <blueingress> donofrio, sure, do all the procedures in a scruipt...
[18:22] <blueingress> lotuspsychje, thanks I will
[18:26] <Kam> Hey all, I get the /dev/sda2 clean error on boot
[18:26] <Kam> And it just gets stuck there
[18:44] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: what happens when you press ctrl+alt+f2 or ctrl+alt+f3
[18:44] <Kam> I can access the shell
[18:45] <Kam> If I go thru advanced ubuntu options I can go on an older version which is what I am currently on
[18:46] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: sounds like your currently selected kernel didn't install quite right, or something isn't loading properly with it.
[18:48] <Kam> vaguelyevolution It worked perfectly fine yesterday, It crashed when I was trying to use mtrack and it caused my gui portions to just freeze
[18:48] <imi> where the sw installer app went? how is it called now? (for bonus points: how is it called in hungarian?)
[18:50] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: secure boot enabled?
[18:51] <Kam> In bios?
[18:51] <vaguelyevolution> Yes
[18:51] <Kam> I believe its disabled
[18:52] <tiox> Kernel 5.4 on 20.04 is trash. Manjaro's 5.6 kernel has less issues with dkms whereas liquorix 5.6 has issues on Ubuntu with it and Ubuntu 5.4 doesn't allow utilities like DroidCam and Iriun Webcam even after doing sudo modprobe v4l2loopback exclusive_caps=1.
[18:53] <tiox> I've tried. 19.10 was better than what I am seeing right now.
[18:54] <tiox> Unless... there si a solution to this OP's problem? (I know it's the Ubuntu MATE forums but this probably affects more than them.) Here: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/trying-to-use-an-android-phone-as-webcam/21963
[18:56] <tiox> there is*
[19:13] <imi> the ubuntu software app says that /usr/share/appdata directory does not exist
[19:13] <imi> how do I fix this?
[19:13] <imi> do I need to fix this?
[19:14] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: what happens when you try an launch the gui from the shell ?
[19:14] <Kam> vaguelyevolution After I do ctrl+alt+f3?
[19:14] <vaguelyevolution> yah
[19:15] <Kam> What would the command for that be?
[19:15] <Kam> I'm pretty new to using linux
[19:15] <vaguelyevolution> i think it's sudo systemctl isolate graphical
[19:17] <Kam> I'll give it a shot
[19:18] <vaguelyevolution> kam you can also check everything is install properly with sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:18] <vaguelyevolution> sudo apt-get update
[19:18] <vaguelyevolution> sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[19:19] <Kam> vaguelyevolution Should I do that rn or should I do that all from the shell?
[19:20] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: I think that should work rn, even if it doesn't, it definitely won't hurt anything to try it
[19:20] <Kam> Okay, lemme try
[19:22] <Kam> vaguelyevolution What is the difference from the version I'm currently on vs what the default boot is?
[19:22] <Kam> I just know that the last number in the version I'm currently on is 31 and the target one is 33
[19:24] <vaguelyevolution> kam: docker fixes
[19:25] <vaguelyevolution> kam: unless you use docker there's nothing you care about in 33
[19:25] <Kam> I would like to learn how to use it, but I'm currently not using it
[19:27] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: you could also just edit /etc/default/grub to have the lines  GRUB_DEFAULT=saved  GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true
[19:27] <vaguelyevolution> and run sudo update-grub
[19:27] <vaguelyevolution> then boot off 31 till the next kernel comes out and see if it goes away on its own
[19:29] <Kam> Gonna try to turn on graphical via shell
[19:30] <Kam> It seems to be stuck in a loop
[19:30] <Kam> The Ubuntu logo and the loading icon just moving
[19:30] <thiras> hello. it's 20.04. I'm getting `sorry something went wrong error opening directory /usr/share/appdata: No such file or directory` error at the ubuntu software
[19:31] <thiras> spesifically when i get in to a item detail
[19:32] <thiras> any idea?
[19:33] <ioria> thiras, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[19:33] <thiras> x11
[19:34] <thiras> i guess i've installed new update about x11 and wayland recently. i might not have a reboot after that. maybe that's rhe problem
[19:35] <ioria> thiras, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:36] <thiras> ioria, done. already got the error
[19:36] <thiras> i mean still got*
[19:36] <vaguelyevolution> thiras: there's nothing super critical in /usr/share/appdata, try just recreating with sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/appdata
[19:37] <ioria> thiras, ok, but what's the cmd above output ?
[19:37] <thiras> ioria, The following packages will be upgraded:
[19:37] <thiras>   gamemode gnome-logs gnome-shell gnome-shell-common libgamemode0 libgamemodeauto0 liblilv-0-0
[19:37] <thiras> vaguelyevolution, the directory is already there
[19:37] <ioria> thiras, then upgarde
[19:37] <Kam> vaguelyevolution I tried your suggestions but I was stuck in the endless loop
[19:38] <ioria> *upgrade
[19:38] <thiras> ioria, upgraded successfully
[19:38] <ioria> thiras, logout/reboot
[19:38] <thiras> ok
[19:39] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: even updating grub and then selecting 31? That should have just changed the default kernel
[19:40] <Kam> How would I update grub?
[19:41] <thiras> ioria, thanks. it seems error has gone
[19:41] <ioria> ok
[19:42] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: you could also just edit /etc/default/grub to have the lines  GRUB_DEFAULT=saved  GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true
[19:42] <vaguelyevolution> Kam: then sudo update-grub
[19:43] <Kam> Okie will do
[19:44] <evils> hi, is it possible to have the lock screen shut off the video output after a minute? (but otherwise never disable the video output)
[19:44] <vaguelyevolution> and it should remember the kernel you've chosen as default, and see if it goes away when the next kernel update comes out
[19:46] <gg_my_man> hello
[19:46] <gg_my_man> I just want some instructions
[19:47] <EriC^^> gg_my_man: regarding what?
[19:48] <gg_my_man> Regarding a Wifi driver :(( I am depressed about it
[19:49] <gg_my_man> The thing is that I use a distribution different to Ubuntu(I know, rant on me, treat me like sh*t because I come here). I saw that Ubuntu 20.04 is handling the driver out of the box and works very well. I just want instruction on how to make it work on my distribution.
[19:50] <Kam> vaguelyevolution I get the dev error again and now some 'ata3.00 exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x80ff001f'
[19:53] <gg_my_man> I have a RTL8723DE chip. I installed the rtw88 branch of lwfinger. I use Solus linux. The Wifi works with no problem but I simply cannot use both Wifi and bluetooth without having to sacrifice one for the sake of the other. I talked to the devs of Solus and they will not help me because they do not modify the kernel at all
[19:57] <TheWild> hello
[19:59] <TheWild> what's snapd and why is this doing suspectible writes to my disk?
[19:59] <TheWild> What's the penalty of removing this?
[20:07] <Kam> I can only login via Wayland
[20:07] <Kam> Otherwise I'm stuck in an endless loop
[20:08] <TheWild> I can't remove pdftk because snapd is endlessly stuck in "Waiting for conflicting change in progress..."
[20:09] <TheWild> how I am supposed to fix that
[20:13] <coconut> What setting should i check when anything my uhd screen is too small to read?
[20:14] <coconut> *on
[20:14] <sarnold> TheWild: try snap abort
[20:15] <TheWild> yup, worked. Thank you sarnold
[20:15] <sarnold> nice
[20:16] <rfm> coconut, you want to set up scaling.  I use xubuntu (xfce) and don't know where to find the option in ubuntu (gnome) but I found a article that looks reasonable:https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/ubuntu-20-04-fractional-scaling-support-setting
[20:16] <coconut> rfm, using xubuntu too here (20.04)
[20:18] <rfm> coconut, ok then! settings>appearance>fonts>custom DPI, I use 151 but you may want to play around to find a size you like
[20:19] <coconut> thank you rfm!
[20:19] <rfm> coconut, I also right click on the top bar, panel>panel preferences, set row size (pixels) up
[20:20] <rfm> coconut, oh I also run up the default font size in setttings>appearance>fonts
[20:21] <coconut> oh... great, will boot again to check this out. :)
[20:31] <cybercrypto> Hey there, got an old hardware with 64bit support, but no UEFI boot (only legacy). Does Ubuntu 20.04 default desktop installation supports ZFS with no UEFI-boot?
[20:34] <coconut> rfm, can i also make the window borders thicker so i can change size of window borders more easier?
[20:39] <EriC^^> cybercrypto: i'd guess so, not 100% sure though
[20:44] <cybercrypto> EriC^^: I tried default-safe graphs +zfs-root, and it failed trying to mount /boot/efi and got the busybox prompt. I wondering where I can find detailed info about current zol on ubuntu, so I can troubleshoot.
[20:54] <tripelb> I found a bug in 20.04 and expressed it as a problem here and no one answers. This is my third day expressing it. If I have two displays and I want to change it back to one display, The setting window to fix that appears in the secondary display. If I don't have a secondary display connected then I have no access to that setting. This is a very ver
[20:54] <tripelb> y wrong thing.
[21:00] <tripelb> I'm looking at LaunchPad and I'm trying to figure out how to report a bug. Help help.
[21:01] <tripelb> I'm looking at bugs.launchpad.net
[21:02] <leftyfb> tripelb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[21:02] <leftyfb> !bug | tripelb
[21:03] <tripelb> That's good leftyfb It's really weird that in searching three times with slightly different terms I could not find that. I am now sending an email to new at bugs.Launchpad.net
[21:04] <leftyfb> tripelb: I searched "launchpad file a bug" on google and it was the first result
[21:04] <tripelb> The_LoudSpeakere bug is what I described above but I don't know how to search for it without getting all kinds of unrelated things. It's an Ubuntu social engineering error that how to report a bug does not come up in the first 10 on the search results. By the time I quit looking search results They didn't look relevant
[21:04] <tripelb> I finally searched on LaunchPad report a bug and got the email.
[21:04] <tripelb> It took me quite a while of searching to find LaunchPad and not search for just Ubuntu report a bug
[21:09] <tripelb>  Reported.
[21:14] <blackhawk101> hello
[21:15] <cgi> when i mount a luster file system, is there a way to give users read/write permission to the mount?
[21:15] <cgi> is that done in /etc/fstab?
[21:16] <blackhawk101> how to use snap in ubuntu?
[21:17] <cgi> 192.168.227.11@tcp1:192.168.227.12@tcp1:/demo /lustre/demo lustre defaults,_netdev 0 0 - how do i get a paritcular user to write to this mount?
[21:17] <cgi> blackhawk101, snap install xxx
[21:17] <blackhawk101> ok thanks cgi
[21:17] <michagogo> Hm
[21:18] <michagogo> Is there any reason `do-release-upgrade` would fail to connect and get meta-release?
[21:18] <michagogo> I can curl that exact url without a problem
[21:19] <michagogo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fBwQnZfjh2/
[21:20] <sarnold> michagogo: it'll probably respect HTTP_PROXY or http_proxy or similar environment variables -- do you have one of those set?
[21:20] <michagogo> Not afaik
[21:20] <michagogo> And not according to `https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today`
[21:20] <michagogo> er
[21:21] <michagogo> Sorry, copy-paste isn't set up on this vm
[21:21] <michagogo> And not according to `env | grep -i proxy`
[21:21] <sarnold> dang
[21:22] <michagogo> Like, curl is working fine http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GDK4SybBMW
[21:26] <michagogo> Oh, it's python
[21:26] <michagogo> Let's see what pdb can show me
[21:27] <michagogo> Aha!
[21:27] <michagogo> There we go
[21:28] <michagogo> I have apt-cacher-ng
[21:28] <michagogo> And do-release-upgrade looks at apt config for proxies
[21:28] <michagogo> But it seems the meta-release file isn't allowed through there
[21:29] <sarnold> michagogo: aha!
[21:29] <sarnold> michagogo: this feels worth a bug report or two :)
[21:29] <michagogo> Hmmmmm
[21:30] <michagogo> I wonder
[21:31] <rfm> michagogo, maybe it's fetching it with https? proxying https doesn't work (at least I naver got it to)
[21:31] <michagogo> I mean, one could argue that meta-release isn't part of the apt repository and so shouldn't use apt
[21:31] <michagogo> 's proxy settings
[21:32] <michagogo> Hm, interesting
[21:33] <rfm> michagogo, I set 'Acquire::https::Prioxy: "DIRECT"; ' a while ago for some reason, maybe this was it
[21:34] <michagogo> Question is whether that solves this specifically
[21:35] <michagogo> Another question is whether apt-cacher Just Works as a proxy for whatever
[21:35] <michagogo> (i.e. doesn't only let apt traffic through)
[21:37] <michagogo> So setting it to direct would indeed solve the issue
[21:37] <michagogo> Either way
[21:37] <michagogo> But that means it wouldn't be an effective test to narrow down the issue
[21:38] <michagogo> Hm, looks like the upgrade wants to uninstall python
[21:38] <michagogo> And replace it with python2
[21:38] <michagogo> And also remove python-pip, but without replacing it?
[22:07] <Tiders> I'm having a problem on bionic version of ubuntu.  I have a system image that already has php 7.3 included however it is missing php-redis extension.  I just need to add that extension.  To do this I initially just tried running apt install php-redis but this installed all of php7.2 as well as php-redis, this wasn't what I wanted.  Then I tried adding ppa:ondrej/php and installing php7.3-redis.  This installed all of php7.4, and
[22:07] <Tiders> upated my system php to that, that was also not what I wanted. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[22:09] <sarnold> Tiders: you might have some luck with https://github.com/oerdnj/deb.sury.org/issues
[22:10] <Tiders> Could the problem be because the pre-isntalled php didn't come from the repositories?
[22:10] <Tiders> so it thinks I need php installed as a dependency of php-redis?
[22:11] <Tiders> (I don't know if that's actually the case or not)
[22:11] <sarnold> if you're going to use ondrej's packaging then you're got to use it for EVERYTHING; if his packaging doesn't have the thing you need, then you'll need to ask him to add it
[22:12] <sarnold> you can't mix-and-match packages from his repos and the supported ubuntu repo
[22:12] <Tiders> The problem isn't that he doesn't have what I need it's that the docker image I"m using has php7.3 included but not php-redis and I've been bashing my head against a wall trying to add the extension
[22:24] <RambosFace> Any Ubuntu dev here ?
[22:47] <SpeedrunnerG55> hi, my syslog is getting spammed with ``Asimov gnome-shell[2785]: [AppIndicatorSupport-FATAL] unable to lookup icon for discord1_926`` and every time it lags any video playback that is happening at the time
[22:47] <SpeedrunnerG55> - i am running ubuntu 18.04
[22:47] <eelstrebor> why does ubuntu (18.04) auto install a network printer as a local printer that i can't print to? ie deskjet.local
[22:48] <Nana> can i get uptime in seconds, minutes or hours, instead of "up 123 days 123 hours 123 minutes? i mean instead, i want it in a single measurement unit
[22:48] <Nana> `uptime` doesn't seem to be very helpful with that
[22:48] <eelstrebor> i'm not able to delete the deskjet.local also
[22:49] <jakobbg> Hi guys. On FF as root I have a crontab entry script which I need to have run as bash, but whatever I try, /bin/sh is $SHELL! I've tried "#!/usr/bin/env bash" first, I've tried "SHELL=/usr/bin/bash" in cron, I've tried "/usr/bin/bash path/to/script", but still $SHELL is /bin/sh. How can I change shell to run script in root cron?
[22:49] <sarnold> Nana: /proc/uptime is in seconds
[22:52] <Nana> sarnold what are the two numbers? they're different and pretty far away from each otehr
[22:54] <jakobbg> Nana: "The first number is the total number of seconds the system has been up. The second number is how much of that time the machine has spent idle, in seconds. On multi core systems (and some Linux versions) the second number is the sum of the idle time accumulated by each CPU." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime
[22:54] <sarnold> Nana: the first number is uptime, the second number is the time spent in idle process
[22:55] <Nana> thanks!
[23:10] <Intelo> Which is the easiest to configure vpn for linux, windows and mac? I just want conectivity with peers and access eachothers LAN via vpn?
[23:11] <Nana> probably openvpn
[23:12] <Nana> you can have clients install the client program and then provide them with one config file with everything embedded inside it
[23:13] <Intelo> Nana: hm. they don't need to install or configure anythign or product certs?
[23:14] <Nana> they need to install the openvpn client of course, all the certs they need you can embed in the config file you give them
[23:15] <Intelo> Nana: oh
[23:15] <Intelo> open vpn is pure free?
[23:15] <Intelo> Nana:  and for windows, mac as well?
[23:16] <Intelo> like zerotier is not fully free
[23:19] <Nana> i've been using it on linux, freebsd and windows for years. i admit i never used mac so i wouldn't know, but i assume yes.
[23:19] <Nana> and yes, free.
[23:19] <Nana> https://openvpn.net/community-downloads/
[23:26] <Intelo> Have you used wiregaurd?
[23:27] <nugroho> Ubuntu  5.10 breezy badger
[23:40] <Intelo> Is there an efficient way to broadcast desktop over lan (vpn)?
[23:42] <sarnold> multicast
[23:44] <nugroho> Cisco Aironet
[23:45] <Intelo> opensource?
[23:54] <nugroho> MEIZU M5 Note