[00:38] <chieta> im on dropdown qterminal... the default color scheme is breeze modified.. how to know the color used on that scheme?
 @wxl [<wxl> if it were me, i'd just write a script and use kdialog for gui elements], thanks for pointing, KDEman 😉
 @HMollerCl [also: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/portfromgtk2qt/], ah, this is qt way
[05:59] <aexis> anybody?
 @aexis [<aexis> anybody?], yes?
[08:01] <theos> hi
[08:02] <theos> i just installed 20.04. its amazing. how do i add app shortcuts to the panel just like i did in 18.04?
[08:02] <theos> looks like i cant drop in shortcuts on the panel like before
 unforately I think you need to drag and drop them
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> i dont find the language pack right away in lubuntu 20.04 where does that hide nowadays?
[10:00] <guiverc> sorry lotuspsychje, I'm not sure what you mean, https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ shows our main list of packages/areas (for filing bug purposes)
[10:00] <guiverc> my own system has language-pack-en installed, but sorry I don't know what's in it..
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: well in ubuntu-desktop when you click on the language settings, an auto windows asks to install your language pack, that doesnt seem to happen here for me
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> for me its nl language pack
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> so some system items and FF are still english here
[10:02] <guiverc> okay... I know what you mean, but sorry I don't know the answer (probably never had to learn given I only speak en which is default)
[10:04] <guiverc> have you just attempted install? rebooted and have it asking? or something... I've had it appear then (au) but I've connected ethernet/wifi & got issue resolved.. (sorry I never bothered to learn it)
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> input method did something, lemme reboot to see if it had effect
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> ive just installed on an old acer aspire one with 4GB ram
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> working like a charm
[10:06] <guiverc> :)
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> tweaked unneeded services with stacer
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> reboot after input method didnt fix it neither
[10:13] <guiverc> I can't help sorry lotuspsychje, if you wait maybe another user can (when available), I'll provide https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.9/locale.html  (closest manual page I can find, but sorry I'm empty)
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: ill await a bit if someone else might know where, tnx
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> if its needs manual install i could consider a bug wishlist
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: checked what im missing with: check-language-support -l nl
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> firefox-locale-nl hyphen-nl language-pack-gnome-nl wdutch as output
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> now to findout if lubuntu does that automatic somewhere, or the user needs to manually install
[11:54] <guiverc> my system reports way more for `nl`; ie. chromium-browser-l10n firefox-locale-nl gimp-help-nl gnome-getting-started-docs-nl gnome-user-docs-nl hunspell-nl hyphen-nl language-pack-gnome-nl language-pack-nl libreoffice-help-nl libreoffice-l10n-nl thunderbird-locale-nl wdutch  (all my bloat, only chromium-browser-l10n for au)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> ja prob checks all the installed apps language packs
[11:55] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, I don't see much (and I know nothing still sorry) - https://phab.lubuntu.me/search/query/c8kdhxPqvJ.P/#R
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> no sweat guiverc im gonna install them manually
[11:59] <guiverc> :)
[16:23] <So_its_ME> hello, i have a question about network-manager and its dependies
[16:24] <So_its_ME> my computer does NOT have bluethoth onboard nor do i have a blue-dongle
[16:25] <So_its_ME> YET a bluetooth demon keeps running around while doing nothing  with out harware
[16:26] <So_its_ME> now, why is the network-manager depending on bluetooth ?????? and why is it UNinstalled with out REinstalling ???
[16:27] <So_its_ME> kock knock
[16:31] <So_its_ME> tipical linux, just IGNORE your self a bit more and you are DONE
[21:51] <tommy``> hi
[22:53] <his> Hello I got a bug with python install. Can someone help me please ?
[22:55] <wxl> his: what is the problem exactly?
[22:56] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3h69HvWXX8/
[22:57] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/34j6X5QQq4/
[22:57] <wxl> some explanation would be helpful
[22:57] <his> I think my python is broken.
[22:57] <his> I would like to do proper install of it please.
[22:58] <his> I'm a beginner.
[22:58] <wxl> how did you install it?
[22:58] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ZgxmHKtGz/
[22:58] <wxl> and it seems like you were trying to use youtube-dl. why not just install it from the repos?
[22:58] <his> with apt
[22:59] <his> Because it's not updated
[22:59] <wxl> what exactly did you do?
[22:59] <his> I don't remember when it started.
[22:59] <his> I'm going to seek for it
[23:00] <his> sudo apt-get install python-pip python3-pip
[23:00] <his> python3 -m pip install --user --upgrade pip
[23:00] <his> sudo easy_install pip
[23:01] <wxl> oh god you're mixing and matching python elements in the repos with ones outside of it
[23:01] <his> It all started with unable to update with  pip ... and trying to fix it.
[23:02] <his> Can i fix it please ?
[23:02] <wxl> sigh maybe try sudo apt install --reinstall python-pip python3-pip
[23:02] <wxl> and stop mixing and matching
[23:03] <his> same error
[23:04] <wxl> what was the result of *THAT* command?
[23:05] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QVwdwKZpC9/
[23:06] <wxl> well maybe just uninstall it and reinstall it
[23:06] <his> How can I do that please ?
[23:06] <his> I don't want to do mistakes again...
[23:06] <wxl> sudo apt remove
[23:06] <wxl> sudo apt install
[23:08] <his> wich apps ?
[23:08] <kc2bez> Here is an instance where the snap of youtube-dl is what I would recommend.
[23:08] <his> thanks but i'de like to fix python first :)
[23:08] <kc2bez> Good point
[23:09] <his> sudo apt remove python python3 python-pip python3-pip ?
[23:09] <his> then sudo apt install python python3 python-pip python3-pip ?
[23:09] <his> wxl
[23:09] <kc2bez> I don't see the error in your last paste
[23:10] <wxl> there wasn't an error but they probably tried their pip installation of youtube-dl again and failed
[23:10] <kc2bez> oh I understand
[23:10] <wxl> from what i can tell the python being used is the ubuntu python
[23:11] <wxl> but the pip is from the ubuntu repos but then upgraded and installed (yes, both for some weird reason) via upstream
[23:11] <wxl> his: just the pips.
[23:12] <wxl> you can see the problem is looking for some metadata from pip https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/34j6X5QQq4/
[23:12] <wxl> the fact that it's 2.7 is curious when it's a pip3 call
[23:12] <wxl> i mean it's just a whole mess of python
[23:12] <his> Can I fix it ?
[23:13] <wxl> did you do what i suggested?
[23:14] <wxl> maybe it would even be better to undo the upstream commands
[23:14] <his> I did it yes
[23:14] <wxl> and?
[23:14] <his> sudo apt install --reinstall python-pip python3-pip
[23:14] <his> And no error
[23:14] <wxl> not that
[23:14] <wxl> sudo apt remove python-pip python3-pip
[23:15] <his> done
[23:15] <his> no error
[23:15] <wxl> and now does your pip installation work?
[23:15] <his> no
[23:16] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fxhyWwSyxZ/
[23:16] <wxl> ok well then i would uninstall the pip you installed through easy_install. i've not used easy_install in forever. maybe ever. so i don't know what to do to tell you how
[23:16] <wxl> is pip still on your system?
[23:16] <wxl> does `which pip` do anything?
[23:16] <his> How can i check that ?
[23:17] <wxl> or `which pip3`?
[23:17] <his> Usage:     pip3 <command> [options]...
[23:17] <wxl> clearly you're doing something wrong
[23:17] <kc2bez> I don't think it is python3 so probably want to  pip install vs pip3 install
[23:18] <wxl> `which` is a shell command
[23:18] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bPM2xrZYJn/
[23:18] <his> which python/usr/bin/python
[23:18] <kc2bez> Oh you need to remove the backticks `
[23:18] <wxl> hahahahahahahahah
[23:19] <his> ??
[23:19] <his> which python3/usr/bin/python3
[23:19] <wxl> man
[23:19] <wxl> look
[23:19] <wxl> type these and hit enter and give the results:
[23:19] <wxl> which pip
[23:19] <wxl> which pip3
[23:19] <wxl> NOT python, but pip
[23:20] <his> which pip/home/user/.local/bin/pip
[23:20] <his> which pip3/home/user/.local/bin/pip3
[23:21] <his> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22247889/how-to-cleanly-remove-pip-that-is-installed-by-using-easy-install  : sudo pip uninstall pip  ?
[23:21] <his> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22051158/how-to-fully-uninstall-pip-installed-with-easy-install/51204337
[23:22] <wxl> sudo python -m pip uninstall pip
[23:22] <wxl> sudo python -m pip3 uninstall pip3
[23:22] <wxl> maybe even
[23:22] <wxl> sudo python3 -m pip3 uninstall pip3
[23:26] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/khW7cJWm6J/ for 1st command
[23:27] <his> For 2 and 3: no module named pip3
[23:28] <wxl> jeez you really messed up good XD
[23:28] <wxl> sudo python -m pip uninstall pip3?
[23:29] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QSzQ2kv9dZ/
[23:30] <wxl> do `which pip` and `which pip3` produce results still?
[23:31] <his> wich pip3 yes
[23:31] <his> which pip yes
[23:31] <wxl> ok well good we got rid of one of them
[23:31] <wxl> oh well nevermind
[23:31] <wxl> sigh
[23:32] <wxl> let's try sudo python3 -m pip uninstall pip
[23:32] <his> Successfully uninstalled
[23:34] <wxl> oh horray
[23:34] <wxl> try the which's again
[23:35] <his> usr local pip or pip 3
[23:35] <his> with /
[23:35] <his> "/"
[23:35] <his> not user/.local/ anymore :)
[23:35] <wxl> wait what?
[23:36] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bggxJyfHXW/
[23:36] <wxl> huh
[23:37] <wxl> what does `apt cache policy python-pip` say?
[23:37] <wxl> sorry apt-cache
[23:37] <wxl> or `apt-cache policy python3-pip`?
[23:40] <wxl> that might be the easy_install you did
[23:40] <wxl> looks like `sudo easy_install -m pip` is what you want https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22051158/how-to-fully-uninstall-pip-installed-with-easy-install
[23:41] <wxl> if that works, and the `which`s don't return anything THEN you have a choice
[23:42] <wxl>  1. install pip yourself. i wouldn't suggest this because you're still using the python on the system (from the repos)
[23:42] <wxl>  2. install pip from the repos. given python2 is deprecated, i'd probably just install python3-pip and then do your pip install
[23:43] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V8R4qF6zpb/
[23:44] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p9Qbm4YjSy/
[23:45] <his> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qs8xDdczgT/
[23:45] <his> wxl
[23:46] <wxl> i don't knwo what to tell you
[23:47] <wxl> try #python
[23:48] <his> sudo apt-get purge python* && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get install python*
[23:48] <his> ?
[23:49] <his> https://askubuntu.com/questions/642533/python-pip-broken-on-ubuntu
[23:49] <his> wxl ?
[23:49] <wxl> try #python