callmepkwugood morning00:11
jibelhi all05:24
dufluHi jibel, luna_ 05:45
jibelduflu, any suggestion to help with my audio bugs? half of the audio stack is not working. No analog output, mic on BT speaker is not working, HDMI sound is not working, distorted input or volume issues when I start a meeting, BT speaker cannot reconnect without unpairing/pairing again .... the list is long05:50
jibelthe hw doesn't seem exotic05:50
duflujibel, that was Intel 10th gen right? Yes the kernel/OEM team has some fixes in that area05:50
dufluJust make sure the linux package is on your bugs05:51
jibelI added linux and all the data needed05:51
jibelthis "no analog output" issue seems widespread on the forums05:52
duflujibel, in case it's getting confused by another common issue, try removing ~/.config/pulse and restarting05:54
didrocksgood morning05:56
dufluHi didrocks 05:56
jibelduflu, it's a fresh installation05:58
jibelalso the analog output is displayed as "Dummy output" when I start the machine, but when I select it, gnome-shell crashes. Well that's lot of things05:59
jibelsalut didrocks 05:59
duflujibel, yeah I suspect some audio issues can appear after installation, not just on upgrades. And removing ~/.config/pulse might help06:05
duflujibel, I think "Dummy output" means it can't find any kernel audio devices. But the most common cause of that seems to be having jackd or timidity installed, which steals them06:06
dufluAlso check for crashes06:06
didrockshey duflu, salut jibel 06:09
dufluHi seb128 06:11
duflubtw you still own bug 1866194. If you want me to try and patch it instead then please reassign06:12
ubot5bug 1866194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Groovy) "External audio device shows up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker, or none at all." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186619406:12
dufluIt worries me that my gnome-shell logs about errors in extensions that are disabled. But we already knew that happens and that's why we ask users to uninstall suspicious ones06:24
didrocksI think the issue is that they may still be imported in the js level and so, even if their main function isn’t run, everything inlined will06:26
seb128hey duflu, didrocks06:28
dufludidrocks, good point06:28
seb128duflu, I uploaded the pulseaudio fix to G this week and I'm waiting for the other SRU in the focal queue to clear up but thanks for asking06:29
dufluseb128, with rules changes?06:30
seb128duflu, yes, I enabled the new option to clear the config on upgrades06:31
dufluseb128, could we make gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock uninstallable with "recommends" or something? At the moment you cant uninstall it without also taking ubuntu-desktop(!)06:48
dufluSeems I wasn't the first to ask that... bug 183240706:59
ubot5bug 1832407 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu's gnome-shell extensions can't be uninstalled (safely)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183240706:59
seb128duflu, it's part of the Ubuntu experience, users who don't want it can install gnome-session and log to a GNOME session07:10
seb128I didn't try how would the custom ubuntu session behave if one of the defined extensions is missing? does just load without it?07:11
seb128lut oSoMoN07:11
dufluseb128, same as when you disable them I guess -- the default GNOME dock works07:12
dufluI use it for the extra space, extra performance and fewer bugs :/07:12
seb128our job is to fix those performances issues and bugs07:13
dufluYes, but in the meantime when nobody has had the time to fix them all...07:13
seb128we are adding the extension because we believe it's a usability improvement for our users07:13
seb128anyway I don't remember how the custom sessions work, but if they handle the missing extensions then recommends would probably work07:14
seb128didrocks would know better if that's the case07:14
oSoMoNsalut seb128 07:17
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:17
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers07:23
ricotzgood morning desktoppers!07:27
dufluMorning oSoMoN, marcustomlinson, ricotz 07:32
seb128hey marcustomlinson, luna_, ricotz, happy friday!07:40
luna_seb128: happy friday to you to07:40
didrocksseb128: duflu: yeah, the Shell has no issue with missing extension (probably a warning in the session)07:44
dufluWhy would there be a warning?07:44
duflugnome-shell is intended by upstream to be used without extensions07:45
didrocksbecause it’s defined in the enabled-extension gsettings key07:45
didrocksso the Shell "knows" about it07:45
dufluHmm, if there was a warning it would get drowned out by other log messages right now07:45
didrocksindeed, but I feel that people who don’t want the dock should just go the vanilla session, as this is not the ubuntu experience, then, removing the dock removing ubuntu-desktop in that case makes sense to me07:46
didrocksbut that’s just IMHO07:46
dufluWell, you lose the Ubuntu shell theming if you do that. And then it's more effort to restore it. The most flexible solution is to make optional components optional07:49
didrocksthen, people will complain and file bugs that X doesn’t fit with Y because you expect Y to work only with X and they removed X, ending up in a frankenstein layout07:51
didrocksbut I think there is no point in arguing there, you have different opinions from seb and I :)07:52
dufludidrocks, I was the third person to report this bug. It's not just me07:53
didrocksI still think it will be better to fix the Shell so that disabled extension can avoid importing them07:54
didrocksbut as I’m not going to work on that and if others are happy to make the dock optional and still consider you are running an ubuntu-desktop system, that’s fine07:54
marcustomlinsonhey duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN luna_ ricotz08:01
callmepkhi marcustomlinson duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN luna_ ricotz 08:09
marcustomlinsonhey callmepk :)08:10
didrockshey marcustomlinson, callmepk 08:10
dufluOh good afternoon callmepk 08:10
callmepkAlso does anyone have problem with gnome weather? it always shows unknown for me, and its gnome shell integration is not working08:17
callmepkI don't know whether it's a Ubuntu problem or a GNOME problem08:17
duflucallmepk, seems broken for me. It doesn't remember, or offer to remember, any locations08:19
dufluFile a bug08:19
callmepkokay, gotcha duflu 08:23
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ricotzoSoMoN, hi, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/+bug/188218511:12
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1882185 in nodejs (Ubuntu) "Firefox 79 requires nodejs >= 10.21" [Undecided,New]11:12
oSoMoNricotz, I did, thanks for filing it11:23
oSoMoNwe'll need to push nodejs-mozilla to focal, and update nodejs in groovy11:23
ricotzoSoMoN, alright, yes, and update nodejs-mozilla everywhere else to 12.18.011:24
oSoMoNthat's less urgent, isn't it ?11:25
oSoMoN(not saying it shouldn't be done though)11:25
ricotzoSoMoN, I am not sure about the reason to bump from 10.19. to 10.21, but if there are bug fixes then 12.16 is unlikely sufficient11:26
oSoMoNricotz, the upstream (firefox) bug isn't really clear on the reason to upgrade, other than "there's a new node LTS update, let's get it"11:29
oSoMoNwhich makes me suspect the upgrade to 12.18.0 wouldn't be strictly necessary11:29
oSoMoNbut I'd have to have a look at the node.js changelogs11:29
ricotzsounds reasonable11:30
ricotzI am relying on the build-support ppa11:31
ricotzoSoMoN, a few CVEs https://nodejs.org/en/blog/11:35
AsciiWolfHello, is there anyone who is in charge of the gnome-software deb package? 3.36.1 version of gnome-software was released last month and brings some important bug fixes, translation updates and other things. I have contacted Laurent Bigonville about updating it in Debian, so hopefully it will be in unstable soon. It would be great if it could be also updated (merged from Debian) in Ubuntu, many Ubuntu flavours use deb GNOME 12:04
AsciiWolfSoftware. I have made a Launchpad ticket for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/188191812:04
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1881918 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Update GNOME Software to 3.36.1 in Focal" [Wishlist,New]12:04
AsciiWolf*deb GNOME Software12:04
AsciiWolf(I have already asked this yesterday, but it was probably too late in the evening)12:05
AsciiWolfAnyway, feel free to let me know if there is anything I could help with regarding the GS package update in Focal :)12:08
juliankAsciiWolf: snap-store has 3.36 in beta channel, and that's where the focus is12:10
juliankI missed the .112:11
AsciiWolfI know that there is focus on snap version, that's why I mentioned deb version, not snap :)12:11
juliankwhy is it still in main, shouldn't it move to universe and left to rot?12:11
AsciiWolfthe deb version is still used by many Ubuntu flavours12:11
juliankum, community maintained :)12:11
seb128well community maintained is not main12:12
seb128AsciiWolf, hey, I know that you care but doing daily posting on this channel isn't great12:12
juliankyes, why is it still in main if we use snap-store now for ubuntu? :)12:13
AsciiWolfwell, before moving it to universe, please at lest consider doing last update to 3.36.1 :)12:13
* juliank is just wondering12:13
seb128AsciiWolf, you are welcome to work on that update if you care, it's probably going to be easier to find a reviewer than someone with free cycles to work on the update12:13
AsciiWolfseb128, sorry, but there was no reply yesterday and as I said, I posted it too early in the evening... don't worry, I won't mention it anymore :)12:14
seb128juliank, that's a good question12:14
seb128kenvandine might know12:15
seb128AsciiWolf, right, well we have a trello card to do that SRU if possible, but it's a package in our default set and everyone is busy so it might take a while, it would help if someone was wanting to work on the update12:15
AsciiWolfseb128, is there any wiki page or other information source regarding the steps for SRU updates? I already did one SRU a long time ago, but I don't remember the steps anymore :)12:18
seb128AsciiWolf, the main part of the work is just updating the package (updating/rebasing distro patches, etc), I wouldn't worry about the SRU specifics12:19
seb128though the gnome-software vcs handlng is a bit special IIRC12:19
AsciiWolfhmm, how special?12:20
seb128kenvandine probably knows better about the details if you have questions12:20
AsciiWolfok, thanks :)12:20
seb128I don't know if they use standard git-buildpackage12:20
seb128I think they had a branch on gitlab for the ubuntu changes12:20
oSoMoNhellsworth, it turns out the fontforge upstream commit that fixes builds on big endian architectures was already cherry-picked as a patch in salsa 3 days ago, so all it needs now is a new release13:20
Trevinhoseb128: hey, could you then publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4083 ?13:26
seb128Trevinho, I'm having a look in a bit13:27
Trevinhohowever yesterday I removed the gtk dep, but initially the idea for that was that given that mutter bd on gtk, then updating gtk would have pulled the right version for mutter as well13:27
seb128and hey :)13:27
Trevinhobut we can just go this way13:27
Trevinhosure no worries13:27
Trevinhomozjs silo should also ready in a bit https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/408813:27
Trevinhoand actually just got ready :)13:28
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Trevinhoseb128: seeing the queue remembered me that the archive tools didn't merge yet my patch for handling bileto SRUs, I've pinged again, let's see14:08
seb128Trevinho, I saw the ping, let's see indeed14:09
Trevinhoseb128: any idea what could bring us to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1865300/comments/14 ?14:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1865300 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell-hotplug-sniffer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash() from g_hash_table_lookup() from deep_count_more_files_callback()" [High,In progress]14:49
seb128Trevinho, no idea sorry :/14:50
Trevinholooks like that there's something in configuration lacking though, this doesn't change that the shell should handle it anyways14:50
Trevinhowell more than the shell, the shell mime service14:51
hellsworthgood morning desktopers14:59
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:59
hellsworthoSoMoN: that's awesome!14:59
hellsworthhi there marcustomlinson 14:59
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 15:00
hellsworthoSoMoN: thanks for looking into fontforge :)15:02
oSoMoNyw, I'm on +1 maintenance duty (yesterday and today) and that sort of task is part of the assignment :)15:04
hellsworthoh i see. neat15:05
seb128Trevinho, what's the shell sniffing mimetypes for?15:11
Trevinhoseb128: it's used to determine the app to use for auto-running mounted tings15:12
seb128Trevinho, so it's used when inserting a media?15:12
Trevinhonormally it opens directories with nautilus, but in case a folder has only pictures it may suggest something else15:12
seb128right, that's what is in g-c-c others15:12
seb128like open shotwell for photos15:12
Trevinhosee for example `gdbus call --session --dest org.gnome.Shell.HotplugSniffer --object-path /org/gnome/Shell/HotplugSniffer  --method org.gnome.Shell.HotplugSniffer.SniffURI "file:///tmp/"`15:12
Trevinhowell adjust your path :)15:13
seb128I'm just wondering how it gets a non existing type there15:13
Trevinhonot sure, it's not even true that may be non existant, but it's true that such function may return NULL, for arious cases I assume, and in fact the very same code in nautilus is protected by that15:14
TrevinhoI can't find a way to reproduce it locally though15:14
Trevinhoseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1865300/comments/13 this seems somewhat related indeeed15:15
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1865300 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell-hotplug-sniffer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash() from g_hash_table_lookup() from deep_count_more_files_callback()" [High,In progress]15:15
Trevinhobut locally with my phone using the mpt uri it works properly, so no idea what kind of files may not work15:19
Trevinhoanyway my patch has been just accepted upstream so...15:20
Trevinhoat least we won't crash15:20
Trevinhoprobably I should do another shell upload... it's quite busy error15:23
seb128Trevinho, if you didn't do the  SRU for focal yet that's probably worth including, otherwise that can wait for next upload imho15:52
Trevinhoseb128: I did the upload but it's still in queue15:53
Trevinhobut given we've some thousands of crashes...15:53
seb128up to youto see if you want to bother doing the vcs changes and reuploading15:53
seb128but yeah, it would be nice I guess15:53
KGB-1adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 39a9a44 Marco Trevisan * pushed 9 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3Evwd16:49
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KGB-1adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 5db8d70 Iain Lane debian/rules * rules: Put the PNGs generated by gtk-encode-symbolic-svg in a-i-t * https://deb.li/3h0cs16:49
KGB-1adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal b3f0c70 Iain Lane debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/8vhv16:50
KGB-1adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 43b25bd Iain Lane debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/3NUyn16:50
KGB-1adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal bbd4348 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/not-in-humanity.txt * not-in-humanity: Include window decorations action icons * https://deb.li/pRcn16:50
KGB-2gnome-shell signed tags 797b384 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.3-1ubuntu2 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.36.3-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/C1uM18:17
KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/master 95007c3 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series shell-mime-sniffer-Ignore-invalid-file-content-type.patch * d/p: gnome-shell-sniffer, ignore invalid file content type * https://deb.li/3b3Rj18:17
KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/master 3078bc0 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/65j418:17
KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/master e2f6662 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/ixWvD18:17
KGB-2gnome-shell signed tags 06d3bab Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.3-1ubuntu1_20.04.2 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.36.3-1ubuntu1~20.04.2 * https://deb.li/ipyuy18:25
KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/focal fe4bc71 Marco Trevisan * pushed 92 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/WCzE18:25
KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 47bcc09 Florian Müllner js/ui/notificationDaemon.js * notificationDaemon: Try harder to find a matching app * https://deb.li/qko718:25
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KGB-2gnome-shell ubuntu/focal b642f92 Florian Müllner (6 files in 5 dirs) * Bump version to 3.36.3 * https://deb.li/Hd8218:25
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