[00:11] <callmepkwu> good morning
[05:24] <jibel> hi all
[05:24] <luna_> hey
[05:45] <duflu> Hi jibel, luna_ 
[05:50] <jibel> duflu, any suggestion to help with my audio bugs? half of the audio stack is not working. No analog output, mic on BT speaker is not working, HDMI sound is not working, distorted input or volume issues when I start a meeting, BT speaker cannot reconnect without unpairing/pairing again .... the list is long
[05:50] <jibel> the hw doesn't seem exotic
[05:50] <duflu> jibel, that was Intel 10th gen right? Yes the kernel/OEM team has some fixes in that area
[05:50] <jibel> yes
[05:51] <duflu> Just make sure the linux package is on your bugs
[05:51] <jibel> I added linux and all the data needed
[05:52] <jibel> this "no analog output" issue seems widespread on the forums
[05:54] <duflu> jibel, in case it's getting confused by another common issue, try removing ~/.config/pulse and restarting
[05:56] <didrocks> good morning
[05:56] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[05:58] <jibel> duflu, it's a fresh installation
[05:59] <jibel> also the analog output is displayed as "Dummy output" when I start the machine, but when I select it, gnome-shell crashes. Well that's lot of things
[05:59] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[06:05] <duflu> jibel, yeah I suspect some audio issues can appear after installation, not just on upgrades. And removing ~/.config/pulse might help
[06:06] <duflu> jibel, I think "Dummy output" means it can't find any kernel audio devices. But the most common cause of that seems to be having jackd or timidity installed, which steals them
[06:06] <duflu> Also check for crashes
[06:09] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut jibel 
[06:11] <duflu> Hi seb128 
[06:12] <duflu> btw you still own bug 1866194. If you want me to try and patch it instead then please reassign
[06:24] <duflu> It worries me that my gnome-shell logs about errors in extensions that are disabled. But we already knew that happens and that's why we ask users to uninstall suspicious ones
[06:26] <didrocks> I think the issue is that they may still be imported in the js level and so, even if their main function isn’t run, everything inlined will
[06:28] <seb128> hey duflu, didrocks
[06:28] <duflu> didrocks, good point
[06:29] <seb128> duflu, I uploaded the pulseaudio fix to G this week and I'm waiting for the other SRU in the focal queue to clear up but thanks for asking
[06:30] <duflu> Cool
[06:30] <duflu> seb128, with rules changes?
[06:31] <seb128> duflu, yes, I enabled the new option to clear the config on upgrades
[06:48] <duflu> seb128, could we make gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock uninstallable with "recommends" or something? At the moment you cant uninstall it without also taking ubuntu-desktop(!)
[06:59] <duflu> Seems I wasn't the first to ask that... bug 1832407
[07:10] <seb128> duflu, it's part of the Ubuntu experience, users who don't want it can install gnome-session and log to a GNOME session
[07:11] <seb128> I didn't try how would the custom ubuntu session behave if one of the defined extensions is missing? does just load without it?
[07:11] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:12] <duflu> seb128, same as when you disable them I guess -- the default GNOME dock works
[07:12] <duflu> I use it for the extra space, extra performance and fewer bugs :/
[07:13] <seb128> our job is to fix those performances issues and bugs
[07:13] <duflu> Yes, but in the meantime when nobody has had the time to fix them all...
[07:13] <seb128> we are adding the extension because we believe it's a usability improvement for our users
[07:14] <seb128> right
[07:14] <seb128> anyway I don't remember how the custom sessions work, but if they handle the missing extensions then recommends would probably work
[07:14] <seb128> didrocks would know better if that's the case
[07:17] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[07:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:23] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:24] <luna_> morning
[07:27] <ricotz> good morning desktoppers!
[07:32] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, marcustomlinson, ricotz 
[07:40] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, luna_, ricotz, happy friday!
[07:40] <luna_> seb128: happy friday to you to
[07:44] <didrocks> seb128: duflu: yeah, the Shell has no issue with missing extension (probably a warning in the session)
[07:44] <duflu> Why would there be a warning?
[07:45] <duflu> gnome-shell is intended by upstream to be used without extensions
[07:45] <didrocks> because it’s defined in the enabled-extension gsettings key
[07:45] <didrocks> so the Shell "knows" about it
[07:45] <duflu> Hmm, if there was a warning it would get drowned out by other log messages right now
[07:46] <didrocks> indeed, but I feel that people who don’t want the dock should just go the vanilla session, as this is not the ubuntu experience, then, removing the dock removing ubuntu-desktop in that case makes sense to me
[07:46] <didrocks> but that’s just IMHO
[07:49] <duflu> Well, you lose the Ubuntu shell theming if you do that. And then it's more effort to restore it. The most flexible solution is to make optional components optional
[07:51] <didrocks> then, people will complain and file bugs that X doesn’t fit with Y because you expect Y to work only with X and they removed X, ending up in a frankenstein layout
[07:52] <didrocks> but I think there is no point in arguing there, you have different opinions from seb and I :)
[07:53] <duflu> didrocks, I was the third person to report this bug. It's not just me
[07:54] <didrocks> I still think it will be better to fix the Shell so that disabled extension can avoid importing them
[07:54] <didrocks> but as I’m not going to work on that and if others are happy to make the dock optional and still consider you are running an ubuntu-desktop system, that’s fine
[08:01] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN luna_ ricotz
[08:09] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN luna_ ricotz 
[08:10] <marcustomlinson> hey callmepk :)
[08:10] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, callmepk 
[08:10] <duflu> Oh good afternoon callmepk 
[08:17] <callmepk> Also does anyone have problem with gnome weather? it always shows unknown for me, and its gnome shell integration is not working
[08:17] <callmepk> I don't know whether it's a Ubuntu problem or a GNOME problem
[08:19] <duflu> callmepk, seems broken for me. It doesn't remember, or offer to remember, any locations
[08:19] <duflu> File a bug
[08:23] <callmepk> okay, gotcha duflu 
[11:12] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/+bug/1882185
[11:23] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I did, thanks for filing it
[11:23] <oSoMoN> we'll need to push nodejs-mozilla to focal, and update nodejs in groovy
[11:24] <ricotz> oSoMoN, alright, yes, and update nodejs-mozilla everywhere else to 12.18.0
[11:25] <oSoMoN> that's less urgent, isn't it ?
[11:25] <oSoMoN> (not saying it shouldn't be done though)
[11:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am not sure about the reason to bump from 10.19. to 10.21, but if there are bug fixes then 12.16 is unlikely sufficient
[11:29] <oSoMoN> ricotz, the upstream (firefox) bug isn't really clear on the reason to upgrade, other than "there's a new node LTS update, let's get it"
[11:29] <oSoMoN> which makes me suspect the upgrade to 12.18.0 wouldn't be strictly necessary
[11:29] <oSoMoN> but I'd have to have a look at the node.js changelogs
[11:30] <ricotz> sounds reasonable
[11:31] <ricotz> I am relying on the build-support ppa
[11:31] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/build-support/+packages
[11:35] <ricotz> oSoMoN, a few CVEs https://nodejs.org/en/blog/
[11:40] <oSoMoN> ack
[12:04] <AsciiWolf> Hello, is there anyone who is in charge of the gnome-software deb package? 3.36.1 version of gnome-software was released last month and brings some important bug fixes, translation updates and other things. I have contacted Laurent Bigonville about updating it in Debian, so hopefully it will be in unstable soon. It would be great if it could be also updated (merged from Debian) in Ubuntu, many Ubuntu flavours use deb GNOME 
[12:04] <AsciiWolf> Software. I have made a Launchpad ticket for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1881918
[12:04] <AsciiWolf> *deb GNOME Software
[12:05] <AsciiWolf> (I have already asked this yesterday, but it was probably too late in the evening)
[12:08] <AsciiWolf> Anyway, feel free to let me know if there is anything I could help with regarding the GS package update in Focal :)
[12:10] <juliank> AsciiWolf: snap-store has 3.36 in beta channel, and that's where the focus is
[12:10] <juliank> oh
[12:10] <juliank> 3.36.1
[12:11] <juliank> I missed the .1
[12:11] <AsciiWolf> I know that there is focus on snap version, that's why I mentioned deb version, not snap :)
[12:11] <juliank> why is it still in main, shouldn't it move to universe and left to rot?
[12:11] <AsciiWolf> the deb version is still used by many Ubuntu flavours
[12:11] <juliank> um, community maintained :)
[12:12] <seb128> well community maintained is not main
[12:12] <seb128> AsciiWolf, hey, I know that you care but doing daily posting on this channel isn't great
[12:13] <juliank> yes, why is it still in main if we use snap-store now for ubuntu? :)
[12:13] <AsciiWolf> well, before moving it to universe, please at lest consider doing last update to 3.36.1 :)
[12:13]  * juliank is just wondering
[12:13] <seb128> AsciiWolf, you are welcome to work on that update if you care, it's probably going to be easier to find a reviewer than someone with free cycles to work on the update
[12:14] <AsciiWolf> seb128, sorry, but there was no reply yesterday and as I said, I posted it too early in the evening... don't worry, I won't mention it anymore :)
[12:14] <seb128> juliank, that's a good question
[12:15] <seb128> kenvandine might know
[12:15] <seb128> AsciiWolf, right, well we have a trello card to do that SRU if possible, but it's a package in our default set and everyone is busy so it might take a while, it would help if someone was wanting to work on the update
[12:18] <AsciiWolf> seb128, is there any wiki page or other information source regarding the steps for SRU updates? I already did one SRU a long time ago, but I don't remember the steps anymore :)
[12:19] <seb128> AsciiWolf, the main part of the work is just updating the package (updating/rebasing distro patches, etc), I wouldn't worry about the SRU specifics
[12:19] <seb128> though the gnome-software vcs handlng is a bit special IIRC
[12:20] <AsciiWolf> hmm, how special?
[12:20] <seb128> kenvandine probably knows better about the details if you have questions
[12:20] <AsciiWolf> ok, thanks :)
[12:20] <seb128> I don't know if they use standard git-buildpackage
[12:20] <seb128> I think they had a branch on gitlab for the ubuntu changes
[13:20] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, it turns out the fontforge upstream commit that fixes builds on big endian architectures was already cherry-picked as a patch in salsa 3 days ago, so all it needs now is a new release
[13:26] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, could you then publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4083 ?
[13:27] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm having a look in a bit
[13:27] <Trevinho> however yesterday I removed the gtk dep, but initially the idea for that was that given that mutter bd on gtk, then updating gtk would have pulled the right version for mutter as well
[13:27] <seb128> and hey :)
[13:27] <Trevinho> but we can just go this way
[13:27] <Trevinho> sure no worries
[13:27] <Trevinho> mozjs silo should also ready in a bit https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4088
[13:27] <seb128> ack
[13:28] <Trevinho> and actually just got ready :)
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: seeing the queue remembered me that the archive tools didn't merge yet my patch for handling bileto SRUs, I've pinged again, let's see
[14:09] <seb128> Trevinho, I saw the ping, let's see indeed
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: any idea what could bring us to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1865300/comments/14 ?
[14:50] <seb128> Trevinho, no idea sorry :/
[14:50] <Trevinho> looks like that there's something in configuration lacking though, this doesn't change that the shell should handle it anyways
[14:51] <Trevinho> well more than the shell, the shell mime service
[14:59] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:59] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:59] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: that's awesome!
[14:59] <hellsworth> hi there marcustomlinson 
[15:00] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[15:00] <hellsworth> hiya
[15:02] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: thanks for looking into fontforge :)
[15:04] <oSoMoN> yw, I'm on +1 maintenance duty (yesterday and today) and that sort of task is part of the assignment :)
[15:05] <hellsworth> oh i see. neat
[15:11] <seb128> Trevinho, what's the shell sniffing mimetypes for?
[15:12] <Trevinho> seb128: it's used to determine the app to use for auto-running mounted tings
[15:12] <Trevinho> things
[15:12] <seb128> Trevinho, so it's used when inserting a media?
[15:12] <Trevinho> normally it opens directories with nautilus, but in case a folder has only pictures it may suggest something else
[15:12] <Trevinho> yep
[15:12] <seb128> right, that's what is in g-c-c others
[15:12] <seb128> like open shotwell for photos
[15:12] <Trevinho> see for example `gdbus call --session --dest org.gnome.Shell.HotplugSniffer --object-path /org/gnome/Shell/HotplugSniffer  --method org.gnome.Shell.HotplugSniffer.SniffURI "file:///tmp/"`
[15:13] <Trevinho> well adjust your path :)
[15:13] <seb128> I'm just wondering how it gets a non existing type there
[15:14] <Trevinho> not sure, it's not even true that may be non existant, but it's true that such function may return NULL, for arious cases I assume, and in fact the very same code in nautilus is protected by that
[15:14] <Trevinho> I can't find a way to reproduce it locally though
[15:15] <Trevinho> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1865300/comments/13 this seems somewhat related indeeed
[15:19] <Trevinho> but locally with my phone using the mpt uri it works properly, so no idea what kind of files may not work
[15:20] <Trevinho> anyway my patch has been just accepted upstream so...
[15:20] <Trevinho> at least we won't crash
[15:23] <Trevinho> probably I should do another shell upload... it's quite busy error
[15:52] <seb128> Trevinho, if you didn't do the  SRU for focal yet that's probably worth including, otherwise that can wait for next upload imho
[15:53] <Trevinho> seb128: I did the upload but it's still in queue
[15:53] <Trevinho> but given we've some thousands of crashes...
[15:53] <seb128> up to youto see if you want to bother doing the vcs changes and reuploading
[15:53] <seb128> but yeah, it would be nice I guess
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