 @kc2bez did you talk about lubuntu already? I've heard like 30minutes from the mint snap post.
 Yes. We started the show with that. We are in the second hour with more general discussion.
 @lynorian this might be helpful with the creation of snap of manual: https://ubuntu.com/blog/fabrica-your-self-hosted-snap-factory
 @kc2bez [Yes. We started the show with that. We are in the second hour with more general …], Looking at it now, I've heard this gimp issue when copy/pasting. Maybe is qlipper?
 I haven't tested it myself. It might be though.
 Worth a test for sure.
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 @kc2bez [Worth a test for sure.], On the updated, our does a "apt dist-upgrade", gtk one does only "apt upgrade" that might be the issue
[18:48] <tsimonq2> $ ./copy-package -y --from ubuntu --from-suite groovy --to ppa:lubuntu-ci/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages --to-suite focal lintian
[18:48] <tsimonq2> Copy candidates:
[18:49] <tsimonq2>         lintian 2.80.0 in groovy
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 1 copy requested.
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[19:15] <tsimonq2> @RikMills: All of the CI hardcodes are now gone.
[19:15] <kc2bez> tsimonq2: In https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/browse/master/ci/jobgenerator.py$229 should that be server.create_view
[19:15] <kc2bez> ?
[19:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/633/
[19:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: How do you mean?
[19:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] merger_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/merger_libfm-qt/542/
[19:16] <kc2bez> nvm
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Okay. :)
[19:16] <kc2bez> I am just not familiar with the jenkins api
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], And, the config files are now more flexible.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: It's all good. There is no documentation. At all.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/pycontribs/jenkinsapi/tree/master/jenkinsapi
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[19:21] <tsimonq2> Nightly started, manually launching node-2.
[19:22] <tsimonq2> We're going to see some transient lag.
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[19:23] <tsimonq2> Ouchhhhhhh.
[19:23] <tsimonq2> Well.
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[19:24] <tsimonq2> Oh, I thought I saw merger jobs failing.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> I'll wait until the transient lag has been lifted.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> That's probably why it's so bad.
[19:25] <kc2bez> looks like the merger job went ok for libfm
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Right, but I'm really confused why it otherwise FUBAR'ed
[19:25] <tsimonq2> I'm getting 504s trying to access it so unless teward feels the need to kick it really really hard, I'll give it a few.
[19:25] <kc2bez> I got a timeout so I am not sure
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> I am seeing a bunch of PPA builds being kicked off so it's not all failures.
[19:26] <teward> 504 is bad mmhmm
[19:26] <teward> @tsimonq2: learn to use tickets ;)
[19:26] <teward> I’ll look
[19:27] <teward> Lemme get coffeeplz
[19:27] <tsimonq2> teward: I don't have the time to go through that learning curve because IRC/Telegram/Email pings seem to be equally effective. :P
 heh
 *hard-reboots the VM*
[19:29] <tsimonq2> We're going to see backports jobs failing all over the place since it's going through the initial bootstrap.
[19:29] <tsimonq2> I know I
[19:30] <tsimonq2> 've been using the word a lot, but consider them fairly transient.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> @teward001: I didn't know it takes 5 mins to reboot a VM lol.
[19:33]  * tsimonq2 fires shots at teward for Reasons
[19:34] <tsimonq2> Also, I want my $10.
[19:34] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:34] <tsimonq2> I won that bet fair and square.
 well
 jenkins didn't start
 so i powered it off
 and then powered it on 'cold'
 and now it's coming up
 when a reboot doesn't fix it you have to hard fix it
[19:40] <kc2bez> Just get a bigger hammer.
[19:41] <tsimonq2> Looks fun.
[19:44] <tsimonq2>   https://github.com/lxqt/qps/releases/download/2.1.0/qps-2.1.0.tar.xz failed: 429 too many requests
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Well, that's a new one.
[19:44] <kc2bez> oops
 lol
 you made too many requests to Github from CI, Simon
 bad simon
[19:45] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that's cool.
[19:45]  * tsimonq2 yawns and does something productive
[19:47] <tsimonq2> I added Backports to Jenkins.
[19:48] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Building-from-source#generalbuild-order is the build order if anyone wants to manually prod.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> In a few I'll be AFK for the night.
[19:51] <kc2bez> Thanks for poking that along.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Of course.
[19:54] <tsimonq2> One thing I'd like opinions on generally: what should we do about version numbers and testing Backports before they're uploaded to the PPA?
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I believe Kubuntu typically has CI builds separate from Backports/Backports Staging
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I'm not against doing that, but we'd have to make it clear that CI builds will always supersede Backports + Backports Staging builds.
[19:58] <tsimonq2> https://notes.lubuntu.me/RY1AE0UYTRWkTkrfT5w4yg# <-- starting an announcement for testing.
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[20:21] <tsimonq2> @lynorian: Hey, could you please add info on adding PPAs to the manual? And perhaps something about Backports. https://notes.lubuntu.me/RY1AE0UYTRWkTkrfT5w4yg# has the draft announcement with more info.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHA, nice. No notifications if a job has never passed.
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 heh i like that message - "Make it unstable" xD
[20:40] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha
[20:40] <tsimonq2> Nah, I'll play with Qt 6 builds later.
[20:40] <tsimonq2> My end goal is to get us some Qt 6 packaging and then build LXQt using it.
[20:40] <tsimonq2> So we can have it ported and ready to go for the first Qt 6 release.
 makes sense
[20:43] <tsimonq2> I know it's a hell of a mission, fwiw.
[20:43] <tsimonq2> It's going to be far from easy,
 remind me, 20.04 came out with LXQt right?
[21:47] <kc2bez> @teward001 yes
 that's what i thougth
 there's a *chance* when I switch to 20.04 I switch to Lubuntu with LXQt
 because it's pretty :)