[01:13] <abtm_> I am trying to test my cluster of caching proxies and was looking for a large non-snap package (traditional apt managed package or metapackage) that is 20 to 30 mb.  The chaches already have wine and libreoffice. any suggestions on another largish package I can install from apt?
[01:24] <well_laid_lawn> abtm_: maybe a web browser
[01:25] <well_laid_lawn> or emmai client
[01:28] <abtm_> chromium is a snap pkg
[01:28] <abtm_> thunderbird is already installed
[01:48] <Curly> https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/
[02:01] <abtm_> my intent is to test my caching cluster to ensure they can pull cached .deb backages from each other
[02:01] <abtm_> and not go out to the internet again
[02:01] <abtm_> which is why I need to find a large deb package and install it on 2 vms
[02:01] <abtm_> a snap does not help me
[02:12] <Curly> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=test+my+caching+cluster+to+ensure+they+can+pull+cached+.deb+backages+from+each+other&atb=v215-1&ia=qa
[02:17] <abtm_> looks like it did not work
[02:17] <abtm_> tried bluefish
[02:17] <abtm_> firewall shows both installs going to the internet
[02:17] <abtm_> so now I have more logs to pour over
[02:23] <Curly> Which install do you want to run in the background while the other is going through the firewall?
[02:24] <abtm_> basically I have set up 2 squid instances
[02:24] <abtm_> on 2 VM hosts
[02:24] <abtm_> they use identical conf files
[02:24] <abtm_> and they are configured as cache_peer siblings
[02:24] <abtm_> to ea otehr
[02:25] <abtm_> same conf is used on both except the cache_peer line for the host is commented out
[02:25] <abtm_> found a note that I needed to add an ICP_timeout
[02:25] <abtm_> so I did
[02:26] <abtm_> but I still get cache misses which sends the proxy out to the internet to download the package
[02:27] <abtm_> the intent was to use sibling and ICP queries to find already downloaded .deb packages on the other cache and provide the client the package instead of going out to the internet for it
[02:29] <Curly> Have you tried Port Forwarding to the client diverting the internet?
[02:30] <abtm_> the VMs are using the proxies
[02:30] <abtm_> 00proxy file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[02:30] <abtm_> the issue is that the proxies are not properly working together
[02:31] <abtm_> as I identify options to tweak, I need to find more large packages to test with :)
[02:31] <abtm_> I have an open question in #squid the problem is that they are not responding :)
[02:32] <Curly> You mentioned that both have identical .conf files.
[02:32] <abtm_> yep
[02:33] <abtm_> except that the cache_peer sibling line for the server the proxy is running on is commented out
[02:33] <abtm_> but all the other configs are the same
[02:33] <abtm_> ea proxy works on its own
[02:34] <abtm_> the problem is they dont work together :)
[02:34] <abtm_> which means if I put them into an HA config I would be downloading all the content 2x
[02:34] <abtm_> so I need to fix it :)
[02:34] <Curly> It reminds me of a Broadcast where one must wait for the first data packet to finish.
[02:35] <Curly> Why not set up a packet signal to tell the second instance to cease?
[02:35] <abtm_> which is why I tried ICP_timeout
[02:35] <abtm_> and I am not using multicast
[02:36] <abtm_> I am not familiar with that....
[02:36] <Curly> Instead of timeout, to just send the unwanted packet to a dump file.
[02:37] <abtm_> but its not an unwanted packet
[02:37] <abtm_> the way it is supposed to work is that if the proxy gets a request for a file that it does not have
[02:37] <abtm_> it should now check with its peer server
[02:38] <abtm_> if the peer has the file, it copies the file from the peer and provides it to the client
[02:38] <abtm_> if the peer does not have it either, the cache goes to the source on the internet to download the file
[02:38] <abtm_> the problem is that even though I know the peer has the file
[02:39] <abtm_> the cache thinks it does not and goes to the internet
[02:40] <abtm_> I read that if the query timeout is set too low, the cache does not wait for a response so I encreased it
[02:40] <abtm_> still no dice
[02:40] <Curly> I think your timeout idea is reasonable.
[02:41] <abtm_> I set it to 7000 ms
[02:41] <abtm_> still no dice
[02:41] <abtm_> the two boxes are on the same wifi AP
[02:42] <Curly> If you set your timeout, add an < if then don't send > signal.
[02:43] <Curly> Something like that.
[02:43] <abtm_> it is an option in the squid.conf
[02:44] <abtm_> also, if I legitimately get a "I dont have it" I do want to go out to the internet to download it
[02:46] <Curly> The client that does have it could tell the other client:  I have it. Let me send it to you instead.
[02:46] <abtm_> thats what I am trying to get working :)
[02:46] <Curly> Like a handshake between both clients.
[02:47] <Curly> In other words both clients would handshake and tell each other the  timestamp of reciept of the wanted packet.
[02:48] <abtm_> supposedly squid has that as a built in feature that I am trying to implement :)
[02:48] <Curly> If the other client doesn't have that updated data, it can handshake and check the one that has it.
[02:48] <abtm_> unless you know of something other than squid that can do it reliably :)
[02:49] <Curly> That would be a lot of traffic too on your server.
[02:49] <abtm_> basically the way its supposed to work is on query from the client act
[02:49] <abtm_> :)
[02:51] <Curly> What if you alternate between clients for the wanted data so just one would recieve the packet and tell the other client: I have it! Don't bother. Pretty much the same idea.
[02:52] <abtm_> ideally yes
[02:52] <abtm_> basically I am doing this for 2 reasons.
[02:52] <abtm_> 1) learn a new technology
[02:52] <Curly> It reminds me of an electronics device called a:  Comparator.
[02:53] <abtm_> 2) set up HA cache for my home lab so that I limit bandwidth consumption
[02:53] <abtm_> so squid works on a single instance
[02:53] <Curly> Bandwidth is a major issue.
[02:53] <abtm_> yes it is
[02:53] <Curly> Is this a Home server?
[02:53] <abtm_> yes
[02:54] <abtm_> have a 25mb connection and a data cap
[02:55] <Curly> I understand bandwidth. My server is a home server and periodically I have to set GoDaddy my new IP address. It is a pain, but a money saver for sure.
[02:56] <Curly> Is your IP a Static or Dynamic?
[02:56] <abtm_> dynamic
[02:56] <Curly> Likewise here.
[02:56] <abtm_> and this is a home lab
[02:57] <abtm_> not present on the public internet
[02:57] <abtm_> ie VMs for study
[02:57] <Curly> I know the feeling. I am running pretty much the same idea.
[02:57] <abtm_>  the VMs need to be kept up to date
[02:57] <abtm_> down my list is learning ansible
[02:57] <Curly> I am running:
[02:57] <abtm_> but first I need the infrastructure in place
[02:57] <Curly> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[02:57] <Curly> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[02:57] <Curly> Release:	18.04
[02:57] <Curly> Codename:	bionic
[02:58] <abtm_> I am running ubuntu 20.04 server (kvm)
[02:58] <abtm_> opnsense vm firewalls
[02:58] <abtm_> and xubuntu 20.04 clients
[02:58] <abtm_> xubuntu because it has the lowest memory footprint ubuntu based gui
[02:59] <Curly> The Id was  IUbuntu but this is XUbuntu. I spent too many hours to use another LTS version, however, there is not too much difference though.
[03:00] <abtm_> I am still running an older laptop with lubuntu 16.04 as my personal machine
[03:00] <abtm_> eventually when I have the lab infrastructure squared away I will upgrade it
[03:01] <Curly> Are you using   Wine or VM
[03:01] <Curly> I installed  VBox as well.
[03:02] <abtm_> neither
[03:02] <Curly> My next project is setting up a Paste Bin.
[03:02] <abtm_> I am an MCSE who uses windows at work all day
[03:02] <abtm_> so I do linux at home
[03:02] <abtm_> and KVM
[03:02] <abtm_> I have used virtualbox as well and its nice for some things
[03:02] <Curly> I also am in the process of setting up an IRC Server. I have set up two servers a while ago.
[03:03] <abtm_> but if I want to run with less overhead its kvm
[03:03] <Curly> GUI uses overhead.
[03:03] <abtm_> yep
[03:03] <abtm_> hence ubuntu server and KVM
[03:04] <abtm_> on my personal laptop xubuntu (minimal overhead)
[03:04] <abtm_> and as close to same tech (kvm) as possible
[03:04] <Curly> I chose GUI install for reasons of teaching students the basics. I have used non GUI also.
[03:04] <abtm_> one annoyance I have with KVM is that virtualbox has a built in driver that permits bridging wifi nic
[03:04] <abtm_> KVM does not support it
[03:05] <Curly> Can you apt-get it?
[03:05] <abtm_> vbox?
[03:05] <Curly> KVM
[03:05] <abtm_> absolutely
[03:05] <Curly> KVM can be modified though.
[03:06] <abtm_> https://linuxconfig.org/install-and-set-up-kvm-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[03:09] <Curly> Nice link. I bookmarked it.
[03:09] <Curly> I hope I am not taking up too much of this channel.
[03:10] <abtm_> that was the first one I found there are others as well
[03:11] <Curly> I don't know the rules of this channel. Funny thing. I opened up a Terminal Emulator, typed in IRSSI   then:  /server irc.xubuntu.com   Found this channel.
[03:12] <Curly> I didn't need a GUI for that. IRSSI is my favorite. I used to use  Pirch98 for Windows and still do. It is so ahead of it's time. Most people never heard of it.
[03:12] <Curly> It is compatible with almost any Windows OS.
[03:13] <Curly> I installed Xubuntu  on Windows with VBOX. Worked nice.
[03:13] <abtm_> yes
[03:13] <abtm_> virtualbox works well on windows
[03:14] <abtm_> the problem is if you want to do virtualization on linux
[03:14] <abtm_> you really need to get to the bare metal :)
[03:14] <Curly> No GUI with VBOX.
[03:14] <abtm_> there is gui with vbox
[03:15] <abtm_> but if you are running linux in a vm on windows
[03:15] <Curly> Sorry No GUI without in text mode.  :)
[03:15] <abtm_> you are not running a vm IN linux :)
[03:15] <abtm_> ah
[03:15] <abtm_> try hexchat
[03:15] <abtm_> gui IRC client
[03:16] <abtm_> works well
[03:16] <Curly> I am running Xubuntu with GUI. It does have VM though. I tried to install some Windows OS and there were a few glitches.
[03:16] <DarkTrick> Japanese is not properly rendered within xfce4-terminal. What could be the cause?
[03:16] <abtm_> xubuntu on hardware or in a VM?
[03:16] <DarkTrick> I have ibus3 and JP language installed
[03:16] <Curly> I have seen Hex Chat. Used it with a Terminal Web Browser. That was fun.
[03:18] <Curly> Perhaps a font issue DarkTrick.
[03:19] <DarkTrick> I can also not write Japanese. This could also be a font issue?
[03:19] <DarkTrick> Curly, how would I fix this?
[03:19] <Curly> Let me do a search.
[03:21] <Curly> DarkTrick:     https://askubuntu.com/questions/427713/set-default-japanese-font#431448
[03:23] <Curly> By the way guys I always use:  https://duckduckgo.com/
[03:23] <Curly> Never use Google.
[03:23] <Curly> Set your default for the latter.
[03:24] <Curly> Google tracks you but Duckduckgo.com   never tracks you. It is faster than Google and and no Adds. <-------<
[03:29] <Curly> Does this channel have a published log file?
[03:30] <DarkTrick> Curly, is it strange, that /etc/share/fonts/truetype does not exist?
[03:32] <Curly> Check your  version of Xubuntu and specify your search on Duckduckgo.com  and specify truetype fonts.
[03:34] <Curly> At the bottom of the link I showed you, there are more instructions there. Your problem may be kernel specific.
[03:34] <Curly> Not all kernels are the same.
[03:37] <Curly> When first trying so many versions of Ubuntu, Kbuntu, Xubuntu, Debian, and more, I went crazy untill I made it a point that if you ask an Ubuntu question, you need to specify what kernel you are using and then sudo apt-get the correct installation. If your version doesn't have it then, search how to make the installation.
[03:38] <Curly> Once the installation is made, you need to follow the instructions.
[03:38] <Curly> Downloading doesn't mean that it is install the way you want. One must find out how to apply the installation.
[03:40] <Curly> Make sure you install the correct repositories. Git Hub is a good location for many things.
[03:41] <Curly> Before you install anything, make sure you:    sudo apt-get update
[03:41] <Curly> Also:   sudo   apt-get upgrade  first.  Then update.
[03:42] <Curly> If you need to know your version:   lsb_release -a      <------------<
[03:44] <Curly> If you have an older version of Ubuntu and upgrade, it may ask you to reboot and then ask you if you want to keep your original settings? Yes! Otherwise your settings will be erased.
[03:45] <Curly> For a laugh, type this in the Terminal:   sudo apt-get moo
[04:29] <DarkTrick> Curly, thank you for you help. it should not be a font problem per-se
[04:29] <DarkTrick> i just figured, that japanese output comming from a python script shows fine.
[04:29] <Curly> Is it a matter of font size?
[04:30] <DarkTrick> maybe it's a mount-option problem as in vsftp
[04:30] <DarkTrick> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/103909/ftp-server-utf-8-characters-are-not-shown-neither-remote-nor-direct
[04:30] <Curly> Are you using a modern LCD screen or a CRT? That does make a difference.
[04:31] <DarkTrick> The problem is happing inside my VM. No problem on host. It should not be screen related.
[04:31] <DarkTrick> I'm inside the gui
[04:31] <Curly> I see. Now that you are explaining things, it opens up a different scenerio.
[04:32] <Curly> Whenever I hear a question, I later get the details which almost answers the question.
[04:36] <Curly> You may need to set the default fonts in the VM.
[04:37] <Curly> The CRT I am using the lates Ubuntu's search for your monitor. My CRT, the fonts were so small it took me a week to find the Terminal commands to increase the fonts. That was something.
[04:40] <Curly> I am sure there is an answer.
[04:40] <Curly> What application are you using that the fonts are not what you want?
[04:59] <Curly> In Xubuntu, on my Web Browser, if the font is too small, I just left Ctrl   &   right +   and the screen text gets larger. It is text registration or pixelation.
[05:01] <Curly> It may not be the font, but a magnification issue.
[05:05] <DarkTrick> Curly, it's just xfce4-terminal. But perhaps it's an ibus/input issue rather than a font one. I'll give it up for not. Somehow xubuntu must have configured itself erroneous during setup. So reinstalling a full system is probably the more reliable option.
[05:06] <DarkTrick> Thank you for your help, though!
[05:07] <Curly> You may have the same problem. Check  https://duckduckgo.com     and  type exactly what you posted. I can do a quick search and demonstrate.
[05:08] <Curly> In one sentence give me the exact problem.
[05:11] <Curly> By the way, I am in my Terminal and look up at the drop down boxes.
[05:12] <Curly> File   Edit   View   Terminal  Tabs    Help
[05:12] <Curly> Don't do anything drastic until you are sure.
[05:16] <Curly> https://xfce.org/
[05:19] <Curly> Reinstall the application first instead of the full system.
[13:18] <geblina> Hi, I'm looking for a program to record internet radio, or sound that comes from a laptop
[14:10] <azagaya> Hi! i think i managed to remove the password on login, but now i would need to remove it also on suspend and lock screen.. is it possible?
[14:12] <azagaya> i already unchecked the "lock screen when suspend" on energy admnistration with no luck
[17:04] <Curly> Geblina Greetings! What you may want to do for the Internet Radio is use a Streaming Audio Recorder. There are many ways to record from the internet without software such as using your sound card or headphone output and port it to a DVD or other types of recorders. Many people don't know or think of outputing the video of a computer to an external recorder. However, you may want to check this web site out:
[17:04] <Curly>  https://itsfoss.com/record-streaming-audio/
[17:41] <diogenes_> RoadRunner, ?
[18:17] <alex_c> Good day is it possible to setup xubuntu through the installer. I tried to run the installer it only allowed me setup encrypted physical volumes. Am I missing something?
[19:02] <Curly> Alex_c  <-------<  At what stage of the installation did you get for this situation?
[19:04] <Curly> When installing Xubuntu, it asks: "Do you want to encrypt the volume in the event of theft, etc."
[19:05] <Curly> Every installation is different for each kernel or distribution.
[19:07] <Curly> If your Xubuntu installation is a home version, not encrypting would be the alternative. Unlike being in a huge Company or Corporation where anyone has access to the box.
[19:08] <Curly> Make sure you have enough disk space and older Xubuntu versions are not present. Wipe the disk clean before installing. Usually Xubuntu will format and tell you it will wipe out what is on the Hard Drive.
[19:11] <Curly> Encrypting could pose problems unless you are experienced. If you are new to Xubuntu, perhaps use the entire Disk to be sure.
[19:13] <Curly> No partitions.
[19:14] <Curly> Xubuntu will do the rest.
[22:02] <cimbakahn> Is anyone around?
[22:03] <cimbakahn> I fell asleep last night watching Starsky & Hutch on my laptop.  When i woke up this morning there was no sound.  What do i do?
[22:06] <Curly> Cimbakahn, look at the top of your screen. You will see an icon that looks like a speaker. Click that and see if your problem is there. Otherwise laptops have a button at the top of the keyboard with an: up or down arrow. You said you fell asleep on the laptop, therefore, it must be the speaker key on your laptop if it has one.
[22:08] <cimbakahn> I didn't fall asleep ON the laptop.  I fell asleep in bed.  The laptop is on a table next to the bed.
[22:08] <Curly> Check the speaker icon on your screen.
[22:09] <cimbakahn> I already checked all that stuff in there.
[22:09] <Curly> It is difficult to say without more information.
[22:09] <cimbakahn> I also tried sudo alsa force-reload
[22:09] <cimbakahn> and amixer -q -D pulse sset Master toggle
[22:09] <Curly> Have you rebooted the laptop?
[22:10] <cimbakahn> Yes.
[22:10] <cimbakahn> I restarted it.  And after a bit i shut it down completely.
[22:12] <cimbakahn> I have no idea why something like this happened.  It seems so trivial.
[22:12] <Curly> I agree.
[22:13] <cimbakahn> The sound on this laptop was worked fine til i woke up this morning.
[22:13] <Curly> Did you   apt-get upgrade   or   update ?   That could be an issue.
[22:14] <cimbakahn> I could see if there are any updates i can get and come back.
[22:14] <Curly> https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-no-sound-issue-ubuntu/
[22:15] <Curly> That link gives an excellent explanation.
[22:15] <Curly> Upgrading or updating could change sound settings.
[22:15] <cimbakahn> Ok.  I saved it.  I'll be back if i can't get it fixed.
[22:16] <Curly> Take your time. :)   Good Luck.
[22:49] <cimbakahn> Hello!  I'm back.
[22:50] <cimbakahn> I did all the things on that page.
[22:50] <Curly> Welcome back.
[22:50] <cimbakahn> Still no sound.
[22:50] <cimbakahn> Thank you!
[22:50] <Curly> Are the speakers internal speakers or external?
[22:52] <cimbakahn> I did all of these things:  sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  sudo alsa force-reload  sudo apt remove --purge alsa-base pulseaudio  sudo apt install alsa-base pulseaudio  sudo alsa force-reload  Shut down and pushed the power button to turn on laptop.
[22:52] <Curly> Is your laptop connected to a TV monitor with a HDTV cable?
[22:52] <cimbakahn> The speakers are internal.
[22:52] <cimbakahn> Built in.
[22:52] <cimbakahn> No.
[22:52] <Curly> OK.
[22:53] <cimbakahn> I am still very much perplexed.
[22:53] <Curly> In my mind I am trying to troubleshoot it from a IT viewpoint.
[22:53] <Curly> Also.
[22:53] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[22:54] <Curly> In CISCO we call it:  Layer 1   Hardware first.
[22:55] <cimbakahn> This same thing happened to an old laptop i had many years ago, and i was never able to get the sound working on that one.  External speakers would work on it though.
[22:56] <cimbakahn> I have 2 sets of external speakers here still.
[22:56] <Curly> Very good. Now your thinking of an actual example.
[22:58] <Curly> I have heard some have removed the battery for about a minute and putting the battery back. It is a long shot, but in digital electronics, capacitors hold charges and the speakers are in the Physical Layer in troubleshooting.
[22:59] <Curly> If your external speakers work, then it is a physical electronic issue.
[22:59] <cimbakahn> I don't have a battery in this laptop.
[23:00] <cimbakahn> I will go get them, and plug them in.
[23:00] <Curly> Don't dare to change anything unless you make sure that it just may be something simple as a voltage issue.
[23:01] <Curly> Also if you shut down the computer, unplug the power supply seeing you don't have a battery and let it sit for a few minutes so the capacitors can discharge. Some capacitors take longer.
[23:02] <cimbakahn> The external speakers work great!
[23:02] <Curly> Now we are getting somewhere. See how easy it is getting?
[23:02] <cimbakahn> I want to get the internal ones working though.
[23:03] <Curly> I understand but take into consideration what I am saying to you.
[23:03] <Curly> I am an Engineer.
[23:04] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[23:04] <Curly> We now troubleshot that it is not Xubuntu. We troubleshot that the sound works.
[23:05] <cimbakahn> So, i guess the next step would be to shut down the laptop, and take the power cord out, and wait like 10 minutes, then power it back up?
[23:05] <Curly> The process of elimination leads us to either 1. The speaker wires are disconnected by virtue of the plug in socket or a wire got loose. Also if worse comes to worse, go into the Bios and look at your sound settings.
[23:07] <Curly> 2. Going to a higher level, you would then check the digital switching by way of Xubuntu i.e. the drivers because whenever you apt-get update or upgrade, the audio drivers may have been modified.
[23:07] <cimbakahn> I don't see why all this stuff would be necessary.  It's like the laptop, or OS shut off the volume by itself.
[23:07] <Curly> All of this is part of troubleshooting.
[23:08] <cimbakahn> So, i guess the next step would be to shut down the laptop, and take the power cord out, and wait like 10 minutes, then power it back up
[23:08] <Curly> Never dismiss anything. Sometimes the problem is so simple it is staring you right in the face.
[23:08] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[23:08] <Curly> Did you open up the laptop?
[23:09] <cimbakahn> I guess i'll be back after 10-11 minutes.
[23:09] <Curly> OK I hope you can figure this out.
[23:13] <Curly> Cimbakahn are you still there? If so:   https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000725.htm
[23:30] <cimbakahn> Hello!  I'm back.
[23:30] <cimbakahn> No luck.
[23:30] <Curly> Hello.
[23:30] <cimbakahn> What to do next?
[23:30] <Curly> https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000725.htm
[23:32] <Curly> That URL should give you a basic idea of what I was talking about.
[23:33] <cimbakahn> Looks like that info is for Windows.
[23:33] <Curly> I understand.
[23:33] <Curly> It is a basic principle though.
[23:34] <Curly> Software has switches that talk to the BIOS such as Drivers, etc.
[23:35] <cimbakahn> Whatever happened, the laptop or the OS just turned off the volume by itself.
[23:35] <Curly> Xubuntu does the same thing but of course much differently than Windows.
[23:36] <Curly> Never rule out anything.
[23:36] <Curly> By the way does both your laptops with sound issues use Xubuntu?
[23:37] <cimbakahn> I wonder if i log out and then log in using the pure Xfce session if the speakers would work then?
[23:37] <cimbakahn> Yes.
[23:37] <Curly> Try it. What can you lose?
[23:37] <Curly> I am trying to get you to think like a Technician.
[23:38] <cimbakahn> That old laptop i was telling you about i just put in a box, and i haven't been using it for over a year.
[23:38] <Curly> What OS on the one in the box?
[23:39] <cimbakahn> Xubuntu
[23:39] <Curly> Whether it is Ubuntu or Windows, hardware issues always come up.
[23:39] <cimbakahn> BRB
[23:39] <Curly> OK
[23:43] <cimbakahn> I am in the pure Xfce session now.  No luck.
[23:43] <Curly> I see.
[23:43] <cimbakahn> Ugggghhhh!
[23:45] <Curly> I have a thought, but this for sure would tell you about the speakers. If you removed the hard drive and put another working Xubuntu hard drive in to see if for sure that the posibility of Xubuntu drivers could be bad, that is another trick I do before taking drastic measures like replacing the speakers, etc.
[23:47] <cimbakahn> I tend to think it is a software issue.
[23:47] <Curly> You could take a new hard drive and create a < MIRROR IMAGE >  of your now system and reinstall without removing the hard drive. Keep the mirror image reinstall. If the same thing happens, i.e. no sound then it is definitely a hard ware problem.
[23:48] <Curly> Use an external USB  Backup  Drive and  < MIRROR > the now Xubuntu image. Do you follow what I am suggesting?
[23:48] <cimbakahn> My screen was black this morning when i woke up.  I moved the mouse and the normal screen appeared.
[23:49] <Curly> Screen Saver.
[23:49] <Curly> Did you watch the movie with Xubuntu?
[23:49] <cimbakahn> I believe i uninstalled the screensaver several months ago.
[23:49] <cimbakahn> Yes.
[23:50] <Curly> When you apt-get update or upgrade, that may have again as above be the the reason.
[23:50] <Curly> Never rule anything out.
[23:51] <cimbakahn> Yes.  I did.
[23:52] <Curly> You have a lot of amunition to work with now.
[23:53] <Curly> Again, it could be the simplest thing, but, only you can find it out. I can only make suggestions. When I teach computer classes, I do this with all of my students.
[23:55] <Curly> Make sure though you keep in mind the  distribution you are using and use that as a reference.
[23:55] <Curly> I am sure there is a workaround.
[23:56] <Curly> Again, creating an IMAGE of the disk and reinstall from scratch to prove that it is either the hardware or software.
[23:57] <Curly> Do you know how to create an IMAGE of the Disk?
[23:58] <cimbakahn> Yes.  I know how.
[23:58] <Curly> OK.
[23:58] <Curly> If the external speakers work, then, I would stick with that unless you really need internal speakers.
[23:59] <cimbakahn> I hear you.
[23:59] <Curly> Oh! One more thing.
[23:59] <cimbakahn> I still want to get the internal ones working.
[23:59] <cimbakahn> Yes!