[00:00] <Curly> Try taking out the speakers and plug in a set of headphones in and out a few times because it could be the external output switch may be frozen or shorted.
[00:01] <Curly> Listen to music while you are doing that.
[00:03] <Curly> The external speaker jack may be broken off from the circuit board. I have seen that as well as the power socket usually has the same problems.
[00:04] <Curly> Try wiggling the external speaker socket without the headphones listening to music to see if the socket may have broken away from the circuit board.
[00:05] <Curly> Make sure the sound is up.
[00:05] <Curly> If you hear an intermittency of sound with the internal speakers, then that is your problem.
[00:07] <Curly> The computer may need to be opened to see if that speaker socket is unsoldered from the circuit board.
[00:07] <cimbakahn> Have you heard of a program named Mumble?
[00:08] <Curly> Unless you have done this before, take it to an expert. Believe me.
[00:08] <Curly> I may have seen it. I can look it up.
[00:09] <cimbakahn> It is a program that lets you speak to others VOCALLY.
[00:09] <Curly> https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Installing_Mumble
[00:09] <Curly> Have you used it?
[00:09] <cimbakahn> I get it from my OS'es repo.
[00:10] <cimbakahn> Lately when i've been using it sometimes the Mumble icon wouldn't show up in pavucontrol.
[00:10] <Curly> Ok, So you think that that is the culprit?
[00:11] <cimbakahn> So, when i start the program i press push to talk and say something right away, and then the icon always shows up in pavucontrol.
[00:11] <Curly> You installed Mumble?
[00:11] <cimbakahn> I have it installed right now.
[00:12] <cimbakahn> I have my own channel.
[00:12] <Curly> Explain please?
[00:12] <cimbakahn> We are called Open Linux Community
[00:13] <cimbakahn> I am the main admin for my Mumble channel.
[00:13] <Curly> OK. I read as you were typing that Mumble is a Server.
[00:13] <Curly> It is on many platforms.
[00:14] <cimbakahn> Mumble is a program that allows you to speak to others VOCALLY, and there is also a chat box.
[00:14] <Curly> Nice.
[00:14] <cimbakahn> And you can do many other things with it too.
[00:14] <Curly> I learned something new today. Thanks. :)
[00:15] <cimbakahn> If i didn't have this sound problem we could try it together right now.
[00:16] <cimbakahn> We could still chat using text on it though.
[00:16] <Curly> That's cool. I installed on another server  Kiwiirc  Web Based Server & Client.
[00:16] <Unit193> Mumble has pretty great audio quality too.
[00:16] <abtm_> I recently replaced my windows load on my laptop with xubuntu 20.04
[00:16] <cimbakahn> That sounds just like another irc client.
[00:17] <abtm_> everything works flawlessly EXCEPT for the qualcomm bluetooth
[00:17] <cimbakahn> You are dual booting?
[00:17] <Unit193> Kiwi IRC is webchat, it's what webchat.freenode.net uses actually.
[00:17] <Curly> It is not just a client. It is a Web html IRC interface to any IRC server.
[00:17] <abtm_> it does not seem to support the headset profile so if I want to actually talk to someone on my computer I have to use a wired headset
[00:18] <abtm_> which consumes quite a bit of ram
[00:18] <abtm_> my computer is more stable when running an actual IRC client as opposed to the webchat :)
[00:18] <cimbakahn> When i use Mumble, i just use the built in mic on my laptop.
[00:19] <Curly> I see. That sounds almost like what your issue is now that you mentioned it. See how getting other minds on the matter helps. Hardware and software issues work together at times.
[00:19] <abtm_> I am not dual booting
[00:19] <abtm_> I replaced windows
[00:19] <abtm_> still have the rescue usb I made if I need it
[00:19] <abtm_> but...... I want to try to make this work
[00:19] <cimbakahn> No.  I thiugh Curly is dual booting.
[00:19] <cimbakahn> thiugh is thought
[00:20] <abtm_> oh sorry
[00:20] <Curly> Basically Mumble is a Daemon on top of your Xubuntu Server.
[00:20] <cimbakahn> I just love Mumble for all the things it does.  And it does them very well too.
[00:21] <Curly> I was interested in IRCDSeven and a few others. I have used the generic  IRCD server years ago.
[00:21] <Unit193> Curly: Don't use -seven, it's meant specifically for freenode.  Use Charybdis instead.
[00:21] <Curly> Years ago Chanserve was developed from Church for IRC.
[00:21] <Unit193> !info charybdis
[00:21] <Unit193> !info atheme-services
[00:22] <Curly> My friends use Bahemoth IRC Daemon.
[00:23] <cimbakahn> If i ever get this sound problem working, i will never forget the solution.
[00:23] <Curly> Cimbakahn I am sure you will figure it out.
[00:24] <cimbakahn> I don't know if it is connected or not but my extension on my chrome browser hasn't been working lately.
[00:24] <Curly> These HELP channels are a good source of information.
[00:24] <cimbakahn> It is an extension that is speech to text.
[00:24] <Unit193> abtm_: Did you by chance scan through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_headset#Troubleshooting and https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting ?
[00:25] <Curly> Cimbakahn, now that you mentioned Mumble, I have a sneaky suspicion you just answered your question.
[00:25] <cimbakahn> So, i click the button on it and talk, and it writes whatever i say.
[00:25] <Curly> Voice Recognition. Nice.
[00:25] <cimbakahn> I don't have anything bluetooth.
[00:26] <Curly> Cimbakahn, how difficult would it be to uninstall Mumble and restore your system back to before to see if that is your problem?
[00:27] <cimbakahn> Maybe my speech to text extension can't hear me.
[00:27] <Curly> It may be possible that Mumble Drivers have taken over as the <  DEFAULT > drivers.
[00:27] <cimbakahn> I got the crazy idea of going back to my last kernel.
[00:28] <Curly> Upgrading to NEW is not always a good idea and yes your are correct Cimbakahn.
[00:28] <abtm_> I think so
[00:29] <abtm_> the problem is that the correct profile was not supported on the driver avail
[00:29] <Curly> I helped you to troubleshoot the hardware issue but now that you mentioned Mumble, that puts a different light on the subject.
[00:30] <Curly> This is why when people come here to ask questions, you really never know what the real situation is because the questions asked here doesn't fit the problem.
[00:33] <Curly> Many times programmers presume that their drivers are better and when installed, the drivers take over the default drivers.
[00:34] <Curly> Consequently, this problem could be repeated over and over and no-one can figure it out because the driver developers didn't disclose that their drivers are now the default drivers.
[00:35] <Curly> Hence, the default drivers are gone and the programs that depend upon the default drivers now will not function properly.
[00:36] <cimbakahn> See here:  https://imgur.com/a/eU4YCvp
[00:36] <Curly> Abtm_  good to see you again. Also nice to meet you all. This is my second day here.
[00:37] <cimbakahn> The first screenshot is what alsa looked like the last time i was there.
[00:37] <cimbakahn> The second screenshot is that icon i was telling you about.  The Mumble one.
[00:38] <cimbakahn> Sometimes that icon doesn't show up, so as soon as i activate Mumble i say something over and over, then it shows up.
[00:38] <Curly> Is this your server Cimbakahn?
[00:39] <Curly> I noticed the mouseovers worked. I thought it was a graphic.
[00:39] <abtm_> and you as well
[00:39] <abtm_> Curly
[00:40] <abtm_> of course no progress on my squid cache issue
[00:40] <Curly> It looks very handsome.
[00:40] <abtm_> the #squid channel has had no one typing anything in over 24 hrs EXCEPT for me
[00:40] <cimbakahn> Technically this is my server:  https://imgur.com/a/UOjBZJ2
[00:41] <Curly> Very nice. I am very interested in it. How much bandwidth does it take?
[00:42] <cimbakahn> It is low latency.  Hardly anything.
[00:42] <Curly> That's good.
[00:43] <cimbakahn> I have used Mumble for over 11 years.
[00:43] <cimbakahn> I love lite applications.
[00:43] <Curly> I like the word: latency. In Electronics, latency has to do with the time it takes for a signal to enter a circuit and leave.
[00:43] <cimbakahn> But sometimes i have to pick one that is heavy like calibur.
[00:43] <Curly> I can see why. 11 years.
[00:44] <Curly> Stick with what works. Efficiency is key.
[00:45] <cimbakahn> I like discord, but it is too heavy.
[00:45] <cimbakahn> I have a channel on discord as well, but i stick with Mumble.
[00:45] <Curly> Does Mumble have email i.e. local server email or messages?
[00:46] <Curly> Use a separate server for each application and just simply link it all together.
[00:46] <cimbakahn> You can send links and pictures using Mumble.
[00:46] <cimbakahn> You can also set up a picture and a comment for yourself.
[00:47] <cimbakahn> For my email i use zoho.com
[00:48] <cimbakahn> You can text chat and speak VOCALLY with Mumble.
[00:49] <Curly> I suppose you can change the interface to your liking.
[00:50] <cimbakahn> Yes.  I can change the skins on it.  And there is a site out there that lets you create your own skin.
[00:51] <Curly> If you text chat, the client would need to connect to Windows boxes I suppose.
[00:51] <cimbakahn> I don't understand Windows boxes?
[00:52] <Curly> Well, text messaging as you mentioned.
[00:52] <cimbakahn> I do not have Windows on here.  I do not believe in dual booting.  Just 1 Linux OS for me.
[00:52] <Unit193> Murmur is the server aspect of mumble, mumble client runs on Windows, so those users would be able to connect to the server as well.
[00:52] <Curly> So the text messages would be on your server?
[00:53] <cimbakahn> Mumble is cross platform.  You can use it on Linux, Windows, Android, and MAC.
[00:54] <Curly> Murmur I see. The problem I see is that between Windows platform and Linux based platforms, people would have to know about it which poses a problem.
[00:54] <Unit193> Curly: It's mainly a voice platform, no text is stored.
[00:55] <cimbakahn> It is private.  Mumble is nothing like Skype.
[00:55] <Curly> I was commenting on text messaging,
[00:55] <cimbakahn> I hate Skype.
[00:55] <Curly> Scrap!!  :)
[00:55] <cimbakahn> They record everything you say, and everything you type.
[00:56] <Curly> That's no good. Scype is in my estimation, a database gathering none of your business mining.
[00:57] <Curly> Almost like using Google. I abandoned Google. They track you.  Duckduckgo.com doesn't track and is much faster.
[00:57] <cimbakahn> No.  Text is not stored, because when i disconnect from Mumble i loose all the previous conversation.
[00:58] <Curly> That is a good thing. Caching all of that would be rediculous.
[00:58] <cimbakahn> That is unless i copy and paste it into leafpad, and save it.
[00:59] <Curly> If it is something worth copying for your recollection.
[00:59] <cimbakahn> Which i have to do from time to time to save the links that Siva sends me.
[00:59] <cimbakahn> I only save it long enough to check out the web sites he sent me then i delete it.
[01:00] <Curly> I must say, that, I am glad I happened upon this irc channel. My first time.
[01:00] <cimbakahn> Really!
[01:01] <Curly> Yes. Never have been here before.
[01:01] <Curly> I am right now on other private IRC servers.
[01:01] <cimbakahn> Oh!
[01:02] <Curly> A good friend of 25 years on IRC  Phadthai
[01:02] <Curly> My first time on Linux was Red Hat 6     hehe
[01:02] <cimbakahn> Nice!
[01:03] <cimbakahn> I feel sorry for you!
[01:03] <Curly> I started out on IRC with Netscape Navigator.
[01:03] <Curly> That was a long time ago.
[01:03] <Curly> AOHell
[01:04] <Curly> Then I used Windows 95  Pirch98  IRC client/server.
[01:05] <Curly> That was and still is a fantastic IRC client. Works on all Windows platforms.
[01:05] <Curly> Linux has come a long way.
[01:05] <cimbakahn> I remember Windows 3.1
[01:06] <Curly> That was around 1993.
[01:06] <cimbakahn> I like Windows 95, because i could play some of my old games on it.
[01:06] <Curly> My first computer was a:  VIC-20   :)
[01:07] <cimbakahn> You are correct about Linux comming a long way.
[01:07] <cimbakahn> I think the best Windows OS was 7
[01:08] <Curly> Linux and Ubuntu or Xubunt are all UNICES.
[01:08] <cimbakahn> With exception of the bad updates i got frequently with it.
[01:08] <Curly> Windows 7 is actually Windows 10
[01:08] <Unit193> ...It's really not.
[01:08] <Curly> Windows has stopped all Windows OS. Windows 10 is free if you have Windows 7.
[01:09] <Curly> Windows is now concentrating on Apps now and not the operating system.
[01:09] <cimbakahn> I don't know how you can say that, because it doesn't come with that horrific metro screen on it.
[01:10] <Curly> I understand but the reading at Windows Microsoft says that the OS is not being updated. If that is a lie, then?
[01:11] <cimbakahn> Windows 7 is at its end of life.  There is no more updates for it.
[01:11] <Curly> I have a friend on the other server I am on who is a Microsoft programmer. We speak all of the time. He is part of the Edge Team.
[01:11] <cimbakahn> So, if you want to continue on your computer you have to get another OS.
[01:11] <Curly> Also Xp Pro is not being supported anymore. There have been a few secret updates though.
[01:12] <Curly> Service pack 3 was the end of XP.
[01:12] <cimbakahn> Correct about the Xp Pro!
[01:13] <Curly> I think XP pro is a great OS for the older machines 32 bit.
[01:13] <Curly> All of Windows updates is for 64 bit machines mostly.
[01:14] <Curly> It's about time too.
[01:14] <cimbakahn> My very favorite OS is Black Lab Linux Lxde.
[01:14] <Curly> I am waiting for 128 bit to flood the market. :)
[01:14] <cimbakahn> Unfortunately they don't make it any more.
[01:14] <Curly> I use LXDE on VBox. It works great and is a lightweight kernel.
[01:15] <Curly> IRC client is  Ice Weasel.
[01:15] <cimbakahn> What do you think about me going back to my last kernel?
[01:16] <Curly> Well, again, if you create an image file of your now kernel, then try it. No harm. As you said, you will never forget how you solved this problem. :)
[01:16] <Curly> Also you may be able to resurrect your other laptop.
[01:18] <Curly> The only problem with 128 bit machines if and when they flood the market, programmers will have to update all of their software. That is monumental.
[01:18] <cimbakahn> Cool!  I will try it, but later.  I have things to do on this machine now.
[01:18] <Curly> 64 bit will be here for a while.
[01:19] <Curly> At least you have an idea now whereas earlier you were wondering what.
[01:20] <cimbakahn> Well.  In between 32, and 64 bit i think there is more software for 32 bit.
[01:20] <Curly> True.
[01:20] <cimbakahn> Eventually that will change too.
[01:20] <Curly> It will take a while for the 32 bit stuff to catch up, let alone 128 bit.
[01:21] <Curly> If you know machine language, then, that is fast.
[01:22] <Curly> Do you remember  GWBASIC  on the old Windows  DOS  OS.
[01:22] <Curly> ASCII graphics. hehe
[01:23] <cimbakahn> I just know a little bit of DOS, and html, and lua
[01:24] <Curly> DOS is interesting.
[01:24] <cimbakahn> Siva really likes DOS.
[01:24] <Curly> It reminds me of Linux in many ways because of the root and trees and sub-directories.
[01:24] <cimbakahn> He likes playing DOS games.
[01:25] <Curly> I had an old WANG computer. It has a dual operating system. WANG & Windows DOS.
[01:26] <Curly> I remember having an old:  Corona  Desktop. That was fun. It looked like a suitcase. It had a built in amber screen.
[01:27] <Curly> It was a DOS machine as well.
[01:28] <Curly> DOS is a great way to understand Linux because of the root tree and directories.
[01:28] <Curly> In GUI language, a directory is a Folder.
[01:29] <cimbakahn> Sorry!
[01:29] <cimbakahn> I am still here.
[01:29] <Curly> Your sorry you are here?   :)
[01:30] <cimbakahn> My cat Sky wants me to put something in the bowls.  BRB!
[01:31] <Curly> It is nice to find out about Mumble.
[01:32] <Curly> How many users can Mumble handle before server load.
[01:32] <Curly> I guess the audio bandwidth is narrow.
[01:33] <Curly> The audo spectrum is from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz.
[01:34] <Curly> Which is a broadband of frequencies.
[01:34] <Curly> Telephone has a narrow-band of frequencies.
[01:34] <cimbakahn> I'm back!
[01:35] <Curly> I would think that that FM  Frequency Modulation would be used but now there is: Spread-Spectrum Technology.
[01:36] <Curly> Cimbakahn, as you mentioned Mumble has a low latency.
[01:36] <cimbakahn> We could still try Mumble together if you want.  There is still a text box in it.
[01:37] <Curly> Which in my Language as a Communications' Expert, using narrow frequencies.
[01:37] <cimbakahn> My server has 50 seats.
[01:37] <Curly> Not this moment. However, I will soon.
[01:37] <cimbakahn> I know of someone that had 9,999
[01:37] <Curly> I will take the toilet seat.
[01:37] <cimbakahn> That is watoo many seats.
[01:38] <Curly> Lol
[01:38] <cimbakahn> I'm not sure if i'll ever use my 50.
[01:38] <cimbakahn> HA!HA!
[01:38] <Curly> It may be that that server is divided into different servers or lots of CPU power.
[01:39] <cimbakahn> What distro are you using now?
[01:39] <Curly> 50 conversations at one time is interesting. What is the quota of seats?
[01:40] <Curly> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[01:40] <Curly> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[01:40] <Curly> Release:	18.04
[01:40] <Curly> Codename:	bionic
[01:41] <Curly> I chose LTS because of its' support.  Long Term Service.
[01:42] <cimbakahn> Well.  Here is the info you need to connect to my server when you're ready:
[01:42] <cimbakahn> Click on server/connect/add new & put in this info:
[01:42] <cimbakahn> LABEL: OLC / ADDRESS: mumble-us.cleanvoice.ru / PORT: 42874 / USER NAME (Just use the name you use here) Then click OK.  Then YES to accept the certificate.  When you get used to Mumble you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.  It does so much!
[01:45] <cimbakahn> What do you mean quota of seats?
[01:45] <Curly> What is the maximum of seats? You mentioned 50.
[01:46] <cimbakahn> I don't know what the maximum is.  I just know i have 50, and i've seen another server with 9.999
[01:47] <cimbakahn> Even at my 50, you know 50 people can't talk at once.
[01:47] <cimbakahn> They'd be jumping on top one another.
[01:48] <cimbakahn> I just get my Mumble from my OS'es repo.  I don't bother with PPA's anymore to use it.
[01:50] <Curly> I think I misunderstood you. Is your Mumble server just one channel with 50 members or 50 different channels? Do you follow me/
[01:50] <Curly> ?
[01:51] <Curly> In other words 50 people can talk all at once on one channel?
[01:52] <abtm_> btw Curly just an fyi 20.04 is also an LTS release
[01:53] <abtm_> ubuntu is on a 2 yr LTS cadence
[01:53] <Curly> Nice.
[01:53] <cimbakahn> I thought LTS stands for Long Term Support?
[01:53] <Curly> Yes it does. I did mention support.
[01:53] <abtm_> 3 years for desktop version and 5 years for server (core)
[01:54] <Curly> I believe I did install 2.04. I had a problem with Apache2 and the firewall.
[01:54] <cimbakahn> My Mumble server is 1 channel that can accept 50 people.
[01:54] <Curly> 20.04 has some new .conf files for Apache2 which is crazy and the commands were unusual.
[01:55] <Curly> There are about 5 .conf files with 20.04 wich is perplexing. The command prompt language is not like the version I am using right now.
[01:56] <cimbakahn> I wish i had 20.04 with a Lxde!
[01:56] <abtm_> what commands are different?
[01:56] <Curly> I suppose you could make it happen.
[01:56] <abtm_> also why do you prefer apache
[01:56] <Curly> That would take a lot of programming.
[01:56] <abtm_> there are other alternatives such as lighttpd and ngix
[01:57] <Curly> I could use NGINX too.
[01:57] <abtm_> I thought that is lubuntu a different flavor
[01:57] <Curly> NGINX is a by-product of Apache2.
[01:57] <cimbakahn> Or i could do what i did to Bodhi before.
[01:58] <Curly> It is pronounced:  Engine X
[01:59] <cimbakahn> I installed Lxde on it, then logged out, then logged in using the new Lxde, and cannibalized Bodhi.
[01:59] <cimbakahn> HA!HA!HA!HA!
[02:00] <cimbakahn> Boy!  That sucker was lightning fast!
[02:00] <abtm_> I switched from lubuntu to xubuntu because I prefer the newer version of xfce better
[02:00] <Curly> Try that with:  picoBSD   hehe
[02:01] <Curly> picoBSD is a bootable BSD kernel  on a floppy disk.    hehe
[02:01] <cimbakahn> Unfortunately Lubuntu doesn't come with Lxde anymore.
[02:01] <abtm_> hrm
[02:01] <Curly> You can install the LXDE GUI and work with it.
[02:02] <cimbakahn> I know what they should of done instead of forcing cute down everyones throat.
[02:02] <Curly> I think they call them:  microkernels.
[02:02] <cimbakahn> They should give you a choice at install.  To install Lxde or Cute.
[02:03] <Curly> Suggest it to the programmers. They just may.
[02:03] <Curly> They probably already have one.
[02:04] <cimbakahn> I don't know if they will even listen to me.  They just seem to want to force things on people.  Getting as bad as Microsoft.
[02:05] <Curly> Here is how to install LXDE on Ubuntu:    https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/how-install-gui-ubuntu-server-guide/
[02:05] <cimbakahn> As to BSD.  The best one i've ever seen was GhostBSD Mate.
[02:06] <Curly> BSD is by far the closet to UNIX than any kernel out there outside of Debian.
[02:06] <cimbakahn> If ubuntu derivitives piss me off enough, i'll just go to Manjaro Lxde.
[02:07] <Curly> Check out the link I just posted.
[02:08] <Curly> LXDE is there.
[02:08] <cimbakahn> The only reason i didn't stick with GhostBSD was because i felt like i was stranded on an island with no way to get supplies.
[02:08] <cimbakahn> Not enough packages for me.
[02:09] <cimbakahn> I have it up in my browser right now.
[02:10] <Curly> Debian does not use apt-get when I used it. Apt-get is by far the answer to any Linux user. I used to like the RPM  Package Manager, but apt-get is a lot more desirable.
[02:10] <cimbakahn> Looks interesting.
[02:10] <Curly> All of the repositories with apt-get is excellent and for the most part trustworthy.
[02:11] <cimbakahn> alot of people now are just using apt.  I still use apt-get.
[02:12] <Curly> Apt is pretty much the same.  Like   wget is still used with most versions.
[02:12] <cimbakahn> I typed this into google ----> can Mumble Drivers take over as the DEFAULT drivers
[02:13] <Curly> Don't use Google.   Use:   https://duckduckgo.com
[02:13] <Curly> Make that your default search engine.
[02:14] <Curly> Make duckduckgo your default search ingine in Mozilla.
[02:14] <cimbakahn> https://duckduckgo.com doesn't have enough info for me.
[02:15] <Curly> Of course it does.
[02:15] <cimbakahn> I will not use Firefox.
[02:15] <Curly> You just need to know how to search with it.
[02:16] <Curly> Use Firefox and set the default  < Search Engine > to https://duckduckgo.com
[02:16] <Curly> It is that simple.
[02:16] <Curly> It is faster, and you will never be tracked.
[02:16] <cimbakahn> George Soros basically owns Firefox now.  The Firefox we used to know has been altered too much.
[02:17] <Curly> Like  Netscape Navigator was the first browser I used.
[02:18] <Curly> Netscape Navigator is now Firefox.
[02:18] <cimbakahn> Still, the principals that Firefox was founded on no longer exist.
[02:19] <Curly> Netscape had a big lawsuit years ago with Microsoft Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is part of the operating system. Netscape Navigator was a standalone browser.
[02:20] <cimbakahn> I remember that.  I couldn't get rid of that damn IE, so i could save the space for something else.
[02:21] <Curly> By the way, everytime you use Internet Explorer now known as Edge keeps track of Firefox. To prove this, use CCleaner which is a free software to clean up Windows and you will always see Explorer as a resident leech of Microsoft.
[02:21] <cimbakahn> Then those damn cyber programs that took up around 10 GB of space!
[02:22] <Curly> Also with I.E. it keeps cookies and other hidden files in which I found all of them and had a program to delete them all.
[02:22] <cimbakahn> I use to use ccleaner when i was on Windows.
[02:23] <Curly> Here is what I.E. did in the background. It put cookies and tracked you everywhere you went and if you deleted the cache files, Microsoft refused to let them go so they gave the file a name and < inverted the text > to white so the file looked white but the fonts were white so you would think that the file was empty. If you inverted the fonts you would see all of the places you visited. That was the file
[02:24] <Curly> you deleted.
[02:24] <Curly> I bet you never thought of that. :)
[02:25] <Curly> What is nice is to use:  HEX Editors. Also reverse engineering was fun.
[02:26] <cimbakahn> Super cool!
[02:26] <Curly> You must think I am a hacker or something.
[02:28] <Curly> By the way, for a living I am a Forensic Data Recovery Expert.
[02:29] <Curly> I have other degrees. What do you do for a living?
[02:29] <cimbakahn> No.  Just someone that likes to get things done, and enjoy their computer.
[02:29] <Curly> Computer is a lot of fun and I like the challenge.
[02:29] <cimbakahn> Nothing anymore.
[02:29] <Curly> I will not quit untill I find the answer.
[02:29] <Curly> What did you do for a living?
[02:29] <cimbakahn> My latest and greatest career was as an Archaeologist.
[02:30] <Curly> I love Archaeology. You spelled the word correctly.
[02:30] <cimbakahn> I have done so much more in life though.
[02:31] <Curly> I watch the History and Discovery and the Archaeologist.
[02:33] <Curly> Never think less of yourself though.
[02:34] <Curly> Not all can have the privilege of going to school for 45 years.
[02:34] <cimbakahn> Siva just came on in Mumble.
[02:35] <cimbakahn> I said; Can't do anything about it.  I don't have sound.
[02:35] <cimbakahn> I am a student of life, and love learning.
[02:35] <Curly> By the way you would like to meet my friend from Canada Phadthai and Lucca. Very intelligent people.
[02:35] <thaweater> hello guys im getting error
[02:35] <thaweater> startx isn't working
[02:35] <thaweater> ill post log just a sec
[02:36] <cimbakahn> Hello!\
[02:37] <Curly> Thaweater anytime you get an error, stop before you do anything and ask yourself, did I change anything before this error?
[02:37] <Curly> Did I modify something?
[02:38] <thaweater> Curly, i install new system. then when  it comes to reboot it shows cli interface
[02:39] <thaweater> the installation goes fine. i type startx then get this error:
[02:39] <thaweater> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9FSvdkNZJb/
[02:42] <Curly> https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/how-install-gui-ubuntu-server-guide/
[02:43] <Curly> [  2069.265] (EE) systemd-logind: TakeControl failed: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.38" (uid=1000 pid=2813 comm="/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 -auth /tmp/ser") interface="org.freedesktop.login1.Session" member="TakeControl" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.login1" (uid=0 pid=627 comm="/lib/systemd/systemd-logind ")
[02:44] <Curly> [  2069.272] (II) Unloading intel
[02:44] <Curly> [  2069.272] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:44] <Curly> [  2069.272] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[02:45] <Curly>  2069.274] (II) UnloadModule: "intel"
[02:45] <Curly> [  2069.274] (II) Unloading intel
[02:45] <Curly> [  2069.275] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:45] <Curly> [  2069.275] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[02:45] <thaweater> i blame systemd
[02:46] <thaweater> wiping my machine and going a non-systemd distro now
[02:46] <thaweater> bye bye i will never use systemd again
[02:46] <Curly> [  2069.277] (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
[02:46] <Curly> [  2069.277] (EE)
[02:46] <Curly> [  2069.277] (EE)
[02:46] <Curly> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
[02:46] <Curly> [  2069.277] (EE)
[02:47] <Curly> 	 at http://wiki.x.org
[02:48] <Curly> Am I back.
[02:48] <Curly> I flooded. But Brian it failed Cannot open.
[02:49] <Curly> I hope this helped.
[02:53] <Curly> What distro is it?
[02:54] <Curly> At least I found out his name is Brian according to the paste.
[02:55] <Curly> The system failed.
[02:55] <Curly> No such file or directory which means trouble.
[02:57] <Curly> When it says: Please consult the X.Org Foundation support is a bad sign.
[02:57] <Curly> Probably a waste of time. Install another distro.
[02:59] <Curly> Cimbakahn still there?
[03:01] <cimbakahn> Yes.  I'm still here.
[03:01] <Curly> Did you read the paste?
[03:01] <cimbakahn> Just got back from the kitchen.
[03:01] <cimbakahn> Grabbed a snack.
[03:02] <cimbakahn> You mean his pastebin?
[03:02] <Curly> What did you think of Thaweater paste? Yes.
[03:03] <Curly> You must be eating your snack. :)
[03:03] <cimbakahn> I am.
[03:03] <Curly> Cookies?   Sandwich.
[03:03] <cimbakahn> Snickers
[03:03] <Curly> Oh!
[03:04] <Curly> All of this time I have been sippiing:  Admiral Nelson's Spiced Rum.
[03:05] <cimbakahn> I just scanned through it a little bit.
[03:05] <Curly> What is your opinion?
[03:05] <Curly> I pasted some of the important error message.
[03:05] <Curly> I did see that his name is Brian.
[03:05] <cimbakahn> I know when it reads "No such file or directory" you're in trouble.
[03:06] <Curly> Error messages are important.  In Linux Anaconda is a dump file and the end of the road when I used Red Hat.
[03:07] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[03:07] <Curly> What is your next project after Mumble?
[03:09] <Curly> My next project is  Squirrel GUI Email Server or something like that. I haven't met anyone who has installed their own Email server.
[03:09] <cimbakahn> Mumble isn't really a project for me.  I just want to get this sound issue fixed and get a bunch of stuff done on the internet tonight.
[03:10] <cimbakahn> Well, you can get thunderbird and others in the repo.
[03:11] <Curly> I have thunderbird but I am talking about a GUI Mail Server not client. I have a Domain Name and want to port forward emails to my URL.
[03:12] <cimbakahn> Siva put me in AFK because i wasn't speaking in Mumble.
[03:13] <cimbakahn> I am trying to get him to look in the chat box to see my message.
[03:13] <Curly> A web browser can see my server so I want any place like Gmail to forward email to my URL@
[03:15] <cimbakahn> I see.  Like the Minetest irc does.
[03:15] <Curly> Problems setting up a Mail Server is that your Internet Provider may not cotton to mail being ported to your server.
[03:16] <Curly> And then, the port sending the email may not coincide with Gmail for example. Most IP's have their own Port for SMTP.
[03:32] <cimbakahn> Isn't this the same thing as pavucontrol?  https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/906/sound-output-device-chooser/
[03:35] <Curly> Not sure but after looking at the site, that could be an option you are looking for. I have seen in Windows the choice of what drivers you want to use and you can change back. If that is what it looks like you may have come with  a good idea.
[03:40] <Curly> But in your case your audio works fine, therefore, you may need a switch that changes from external speaker to internal. <--------<   I think that is it.
[03:44] <Curly> Cimbakahn, I think I found your answer:    https://askubuntu.com/questions/402275/automatically-switch-equalizer-preset-based-on-audio-output-internal-speaker-or#432253
[03:44] <Curly> Also:
[03:44] <Curly> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html
[03:46] <cimbakahn> Ok.  I saved those 2 links.  Will be checking them out.
[03:47] <Curly> I believe this may answer your querry. Keep in mind HDMI is mentioned in the article.
[03:48] <Curly> I use HTMI for my laptop and my internal speakers are silent. I mentioned this in passing a few hours ago.
[03:49] <cimbakahn> Now, this is very interesting ----> https://zorinos.com/computers/
[03:49] <Curly> If you switch to HDMI you will need an external TV to use your laptop in which I use all of the time. When I use the HDMI cable, it shuts off the internal speakers. If you reverse the process to Internal speakers, then when you connect the HDMI cable internal shuts off.
[03:50] <Curly> This is where that switch comes in to reverse the process.
[03:52] <Curly> 240 GB of SSD  not very much.
[04:00] <cimbakahn> Here is something else that's very cool ----> https://www.voicemod.net/
[04:03] <Curly> Free but read the:  FAQ    How to activate it and is it really free and what do you have to do to use it.
[04:04] <Curly> Anything for free there is a price.
[04:04] <Curly> SPAM , ADDS   who knows what?
[04:05] <Curly> A secret to downloading things for free:  Make sure it is:  Standalone    which means you don't have to install it. It just runs without installing.
[04:08] <cimbakahn> I understand.
[04:12] <Curly> That is a Windows Application.
[04:17] <Curly> Do you know what the word Mumble means?
[04:17] <Curly> It means to talk in a low tone under your breath like grumbling.
[04:20] <cimbakahn> Yes.  I know that.
[04:20] <Curly> Where are you from? I am from the United States. Massachusetts.
[04:25] <cimbakahn> Northern U.S.A..  5 miles from the Canadian boarder.
[04:25] <cimbakahn> I just got this ----> https://imgur.com/a/jbqbAnq
[04:25] <Curly> My friend from Canada is from Montreal. He is on the other IRC network.
[04:27] <Curly> I noticed Imgur is hiring. What is that about?
[04:28] <Curly> I always like a little extra work if it pays OK.
[04:29] <Curly> I don't work by the hour.
[04:50] <cimbakahn> I don't know what Imgur is hiring for.
[04:50] <Curly> It is on the link you posted.
[04:50] <Curly> Did you say it is your server?
[04:51] <cimbakahn> The link i posted was a screenshot.
[04:52] <cimbakahn> Should i install this ----> libcanberra-pulse
[04:53] <diogenes_> cimbakahn, what are you trying to do?
[04:53] <cimbakahn> I only have 2 servers.  A Mumble server & a Minetest server.
[04:53] <cimbakahn> Fix my sound problem.
[04:54] <cimbakahn> I've been at it since i woke up yesterday.
[04:56] <cimbakahn> Ok.  If you were curious about the career at Imgur, i found this link ----> https://imgurinc.com/careers
[05:00] <Curly> Oh I saw the link.
[05:00] <Curly> I thought you were the owner.
[05:00] <Curly> Tell me what you think of this Academy.  https://www.networktechnologyacademy.org/
[05:01] <Curly> I had an Internship there.
[05:01] <Curly> I used to teach there.
[05:02] <Curly> I am also good friends with the owner. He has more Academys
[05:04] <Curly> My wife taught Adobe Photoshop there.
[05:06] <Curly> I taught Electronics, Computers, IT  A+ Certification there. CISCO Networking & Typing Lessons as well and more.
[05:07] <Curly> I basically lived there for about 4 years.
[05:08] <Curly> That Academy is like a Bees Hive. Lots of education there. Lots of Instructors.
[05:09] <Curly> The owner wants me to teach Linux classes.
[05:09] <Curly> I taught Windows classes there also.
[05:10] <Curly> I also worked in the Somerville MA location.
[05:11] <cimbakahn> It is a very nice looking site.  Does it cost anything?
[05:11] <Curly> Yes. Of course. :)
[05:11] <Curly> I was in charge of Boot Camps.
[05:11] <cimbakahn> There are all sorts of sites online where you can learn all sorts of things for free.
[05:12] <Curly> Whatever Certification, the owner and I would hold a boot camp and you could get your MSCE or any certification within one week if you work hard at it.
[05:13] <Curly> This is not free, but this is part of my background.
[05:13] <cimbakahn> Great!
[05:13] <Curly> When you see that website, it is how I think and I have helped in the production of the site.
[05:15] <Curly> I have been called by the other businesses in the building to give Technical Advice, there was good money in it. About $1,000.00/Day or Conference.
[05:15] <Curly> I am a Technical Consultant.
[05:17] <cimbakahn> Very nice!
[05:17] <Curly> I remember one day a man asked for me. I never met him but he heard of me and asked me to come to his Radio Station for a Round Table to help them with a Linux based server and which was the best alternative. That was worth about $850.00 for one hour of IT advice.
[05:17] <cimbakahn> I am going to try something else and i'll be right back.
[05:18] <Curly> Sure.
[05:45] <Curly> Unit193 Thanks for that advice on IRCDSeven.
[05:45] <Curly> I found one with Chanserve with it.
[12:54] <Curly> Cimbakahn, if you read this, Mumble is a VOIP Daemon. If you said that first, I would have understood right away.
[13:45] <ubone> i have 1804 32bit, can i upgrade to 20.04
[13:59] <Curly> Ubone, is that for Desktop only?
[14:00] <Curly> Ubone this is where you can download 32 bit:   https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[14:06] <Curly> Also:  https://xubuntu.org/download
[14:07] <Curly> Latest LTS release: 20.04, Focal Fossa
[14:08] <Curly> 20.04 has some drastic changes.
[14:37] <Curly> Netplan is withheld when 18.04 is updated. Netplan is the New changes.
[15:15] <abtm_> Curly, I do not believe that there is a 32 bit version of *buntu 20.04
[15:34] <genii> There's not really a feasible way to convert a 32bit install into a 64bit install. You'll just need to backup whatever stuff you wanted to keep and install a fresh 64bit
[16:51] <Ken2> Hello.  I'm not tech savvy or educated.  Been using Xubuntu for several years.  Just installed 20.04 & having problems.  Used a USB which I installed Xubuntu in a different laptop days earlier with no problems.  QUESTION:  Are the USB only good for 1 installation?  BACKGROUND:  searching web, I came across something about making a "persistent" USB.
[16:51] <Ken2> So is my problem the USB ISO?  (Please answer so a simpleton can understand!)
[17:08] <abtm_> Ken2, the usb is not limited to a single installation you can re-use the usb over and over again
[17:09] <abtm_> what problems are you having?
[17:09] <abtm_> did it finish installing?
[17:09] <abtm_> keep in mind that every computer uses hardware components like a monitor, keyboard, network card, sound card, hard drive etc
[17:10] <abtm_> each of those components need instructions (drivers) built into the operating system that enable the OS to use the hardware
[17:11] <Ken2> Thanks for your answer.  Been using this computer for years with previous Xubuntu & no issues.  Yes finished & working, but a number of problems, i.e. when coming back from "suspend", desktop is distorted & frozen -- I have to manually turn off computer.
[17:11] <abtm_> while the xubuntu OS has drivers for many well known commonly used hardware, it is likely that the xubuntu usb you are using does not have drivers for brand new hardware
[17:13] <abtm_> would need to know more about the hardware and then perhaps it is a known issue that can be researched
[17:13] <abtm_> its also possible that suspend does not work properly on xubuntu
[17:13] <abtm_> 20.04
[17:14] <Ken2> Never had problems with previous Xubuntu releases on this old HP dv6000 laptop.  (BTW, how are you making paragraph breaks in your answer.)
[17:22] <Ken2> Could it be that my computer is too old for 20.04 LTS?
[17:24] <abtm_> hitting carage return between thoughts :)
[17:25] <abtm_> and if I have a long answer the IRC client breaks them up into pieces
[17:26] <Ken2> When I do that, it puts my response on the board.
[17:27] <xu-help58w> Hello. I'd like to rotate the login screen of my OS.
[17:44] <Curly> Abtm_ I just posted where to download 20.04.
[17:48] <Curly> Abtm_ True about the drivers. Not all Manufacturers co-operate with programmers due to proprietary reasons.
[17:52] <Curly> Not all Compilers are the same.
[17:57] <Curly> Xu-help58w  This may help:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/408302/rotated-monitor-login-screen-needs-rotation#409317
[17:58] <Curly> https://askubuntu.com/questions/408302/rotated-monitor-login-screen-needs-rotation
[18:01] <Curly> Wow! What a change in the world with the death of George Floyd. What a tragedy. It effects us all.
[18:03] <Curly> Yeah! Lots of changes in Xubuntu. The one thing I like about the internet and using a search engine is that almost any question can be answered.
[18:04] <Curly> A lot of the support channels use the expression:  RTFM <-----<   I laugh when I see that.
[18:06] <Curly> Although, using that expression is not a kind expression.
[18:07] <Curly> I figure; If a person can install any Linux distro and knows how to log onto the IRC; That is enough incentive to give a person a helping hand.
[18:09] <Curly> IRC by statistics is waning.
[18:14] <Curly> IRC is an:  Application Layer Protocol. It was started by: Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988.
[18:15] <Curly> It replaced  MUT  MultiUser Talk on BBS.
[18:21] <Curly> Good to see you again Abtm_   :)
[18:28] <xu-help60w> Can anybody helpe me?
[18:28] <xu-help60w> *help
[18:28] <abtm_> what is your question
[18:29] <xu-help60w> Screen rotation and input method
[18:30] <xu-help60w> I'd like to rotate the login screen and switch between different input methods.
[18:31] <abtm_> on ype of machine/monitor and what types of input methods?
[18:32] <xu-help60w> Sorry can you be more specific about the screen rotation?
[18:33] <xu-help60w> input methods: Portuguese, Turkish, Spanish. I'm using iBus do do it, the sunpinyin input method is ok but the other ones don't change the keyboard layout when I switch.
[18:34] <abtm_> how/what are you rotating?
[18:37] <xu-help60w> clockwise to the right i want to rotate the login screen where the password is required
[18:39] <brainwash> xu-help60w: try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/408302/rotated-monitor-login-screen-needs-rotation
[18:40] <brainwash> there are various solutions listed, so you may need to test them one by one
[18:41] <xu-help60w> Ok thanks
[18:41] <xu-help60w> Any solution for the input method?
[18:42] <brainwash> I haven't looked for any yet, but last time I gave ibus a try I was able to switch via super+space
[18:42] <brainwash> it just worked basically
[18:45] <xu-help60w> I can switch but when I type there aren't any special characters.
[18:45] <brainwash> xu-help60w: maybe this https://github.com/ibus/ibus/issues/1906
[18:45] <Curly> I believe he is referring to:   diacritical characters.
[18:46] <Curly> Acute, Grave, & Circumflex.
[18:46] <Curly> It sounds like he is an interpreter.
[18:46] <brainwash> well okay
[18:47] <brainwash> so, I assume that ibus is configured to "use system keyboard layout" by default
[18:52] <bodiccea> i use ibus a lot, for English, Japanese, Chinese. And I use system keyboard default (QWERTY US). I use ibus to switch input methods, not to change the keyboard layout. And with a compose key, there is no issue with characters like "à, é, ç, etc..."
[18:55] <bodiccea> I use "right alt" as "compose", key mostly to input French. And "<hyper>F12" to switch input method English->Japanese->Chinese->English
[18:56] <bodiccea> Well, not everybydy can have an "<hyper>" key, it depends on keyboards.
[18:58] <xu-help60w> Oh that helped thanks
[20:02] <Curly> There are Monitors that swivel or rotate. Vertical Monitors are usually used in Publishing & Book Editing. I remember Apple had a vertical screen use for Adobe Publishing.
[20:03] <Curly> News Papers use them for that reason.
[20:03] <Curly> There was Aldus Page Maker.
[20:15] <Curly> Bodiccea, do you speak Japanese? I had a computer that was given to me by a friend and the BIOS was in Chinese. I suppose you would have to flash the BIOS to English.
[20:16] <Curly> I meant to ask if you speak Chinese?
[20:17] <Curly> Either way, have you seen a BIOS in Chinese?
[20:30] <Curly> I suppose you would have to compensate for the:  Aspect Ratio  (X:Y) coordinates.
[20:32] <Curly> There is a nice Video LAN   VLC Video LAN which is free that can compensate for Aspect Ratio. I think it is one of the best video players.
[20:37] <Curly> Video LAN will also Rotate the Video, which is nice.
[20:39] <Curly> Bodiccea, Chinese is read from Top to Bottom, true?
[20:40] <Curly> I know that Hebrew is read and written from  Right to Left.
[20:42] <Curly> I just got my answer:   https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-Japanese-and-Chinese-write-from-top-to-bottom-vertically?share=1
[20:44] <Curly> I can see why the need for a Vertical Screen.
[20:44] <Curly> How would you talk on the IRC in Chinese?
[20:49] <Curly> https://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/ime.html
[20:50] <Curly> That text editor works.
[20:53] <Curly> https://askubuntu.com/questions/59356/how-do-i-get-chinese-input-to-work#667295
[21:26] <Curly> I guess you can change the BIOS to English:  https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=264439.0
[21:30] <Curly> Cimbakahn I have a WIFI Motorola ear and mic. I have not set up WIFI yet for it, however, once I set it up, I will log into your Mumble Server. I like the skins of the page. Nice work. I just may install Mumble.
[21:31] <bodiccea> Curly, I speak a little Japanese, my wife is Chinese. And I am French. Nowadays, both in Japan and China, they tend to write like in Western countries: From left to right, top to bottom. I never saw in office (Japanese) or Chinese (my wife) writing the old way: top to bottom, right to left.
[21:32] <Curly> At the Academy I posted above, we used to use VOIP with standard Phones, but the quality of audio was poor and it bogged down the School.
[21:34] <Curly> Bodiccea, nice to hear of you and your wife. My friend on the other IRC server is from Canada. We talk everyday from about 20 or so years now. Thanks for telling me about the Left to Right. Interesting.
[21:35] <Curly> I have a Hebrew Editor that types from Right to Left.
[21:36] <Curly> What do you mean by: "in office?"  Do you Microsoft Office?
[21:37] <Curly> Do you mean Microsoft Office?
[21:37] <bodiccea> And, about BIOS, I bought an Asus laptop last time I went to Japan, BIOS was in English. And an Huawei phone in China, I just needed to push a button to switch to English.
[21:38] <Curly> That's cool.
[21:38] <bodiccea> in office, means when I was working in Tokyo. Should have written "at work in Japan" :)
[21:39] <Curly> I think   chow  means hello. In Vietnamese  chow un  means hello to a man. Chow uh to a woman.
[21:39] <Curly> I get it.
[21:39] <Curly> There are different ways to say hello to a boy, girl, a man woman and a grandfather grandmother.
[21:41] <Curly> Is your IRC nick from Japanese?
[21:41] <bodiccea> I bought the laptop 6-8 months ago in Kyoto, I an not sure if I used a setup to set it in English, I just don't remember. Will double check if there such setup, but surely I did not flash a BIOS.
[21:41] <Curly> Also was your computer in Tokyo Windows or Xubuntu?
[21:42] <bodiccea> mine ?
[21:42] <Curly> Yes.
[21:43] <bodiccea> at home: (X)Ubuntu, in office, Windows. And when I got a laptop from office, I was able to get admins to remove boot passwd, and I installed a dual boot :)
[21:44] <Curly> Nice work. Dual Boot. Hey! Why not? If it increases your productivity.
[21:44] <bodiccea> no, bodiccea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica
[21:46] <bodiccea> well, time to sleep here, will double check the laptop BIOS tonight and let you know tomorrow.
[21:47] <Curly> That is fantastic. I study:  Etymology  which is from the Greek:  Etymologos which means: "The study of the origin of words."
[21:48] <Curly> Thanks for that info. I hope you sleep well.
[22:04] <bodiccea> Curly, just checked the BIOS, did not find anything to switch to Japanese, so it was effectively in English when I bought it. good night too.
[22:04] <Curly> OK  I guess you curious. :)
[22:04] <Curly> Good night.