[15:24] OvenWerks: A while back, you mentioned GNOME Terminal being unable to run processes in real-time? [15:36] Eickmeyer: I don't remember [15:37] I remember that some people have had trouble getting RT with "ubunutu" [15:38] Ok, well, the GNOME devs, with my Fedora Jam role, are wondering about that. [15:39] They want to work with me on improving GNOME for RT audio, including pipewire and what-not. [16:16] Eickmeyer: all I can do is point at the Ardour thread on problems... let me see if I can find it (them?) [16:17] OvenWerks: Ok, awesome. [16:19] Eickmeyer: by the way there has been some activity with jack_mixer in the past months. The changes here: https://github.com/dsheeler/jack_mixer are slowly making there way into upstream. The parts upstreamed do not yet include the python3 bits but those are under consideration by upstream over the past week. [16:23] https://discourse.ardour.org/t/anyone-encountering-rt-jack-issues-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-20-04-lts/103477 [16:31] Oh, and of course the upstream for jack_mixer has changed too. [18:18] but my guess is that the packaging will end up starting from scratch as jack_mixer has been dropped in debian too. [18:24] OvenWerks: RE: Jack Mixer, yep. [18:26] OvenWerks: RE: that Ardour thread: I'm facepalming through the whole thing. This is exactly WHY Ubuntu Studio (and installer) exists, but apparently is ignored by the Ardour community???? 😡 [18:27] So it appears to be installation trouble then., OK [18:27] Should we add cgred and cgconfig though? [18:27] I don't know [18:27] I mean, one person: "Installing linux-lowlatency solved the problem." *facepalm* [18:28] I don't understand cgroups well enough to know. [18:29] Here's the thing: Installing Ubuntu (or Xubuntu as one person did) doesn't install our defaults *unless* they use -installer after the fact. It's just frustrating to see a thread like that when the solution is right under their noses. [18:29] I do have some work I need to do on Ardour though. Two bugs and one feature that is part done. So between that and the few controls bits I feel need to be finished by FF... I'm not ready to study on it [18:30] (it neing cgroups) [18:30] Yeah. ugh... [18:32] ubuntustudio is just now regaining credibility... one step at a time [18:33] So, how did it lose credibility? Was it when it almost died? [18:33] yes [18:34] and maybe two years before that too [18:34] Ok. Well, we're on the right track. I see holstein singing our praises constantly, so there's that, and that speaks volumes. [18:34] :) [18:35] A stick in the mud :) but a nice guy otherwise [18:36] I just wish we could get Filipe back on the team rather than fragmenting into KXStudio. [18:39] The one thing I do miss is that he uses a FW device and makes a good tester [18:40] Filipe is splitting Catia off of Cadence so it would be good to have that. [18:41] I do not think he is able to work within the debian/ubuntu world and do what he wants to do. [18:42] he distributes binary blobs [18:43] He does, and he doesn't. I think the only binary blob he distributed was waf, but there's other things that I have to skip over in the plugins area. [18:43] Ardour is a binary too [18:44] not from src [18:44] this means it includes the gtk2 patches ardour uses [18:47] People have complained about how slow his build is to launch compared to ours and/or Ardour's binary. [18:50] wierd, it is Ardour's binary [18:50] I don't know if he installs it on opt though [18:51] I don't know either.