[15:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: A while back, you mentioned GNOME Terminal being unable to run processes in real-time?
[15:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't remember 
[15:37] <OvenWerks> I remember that some people have had trouble getting RT with "ubunutu"
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> Ok, well, the GNOME devs, with my Fedora Jam role, are wondering about that. 
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> They want to work with me on improving GNOME for RT audio, including pipewire and what-not.
[16:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: all I can do is point at the Ardour thread on problems... let me see if I can find it (them?)
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, awesome.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: by the way there has been some activity with jack_mixer in the past months. The changes here: https://github.com/dsheeler/jack_mixer are slowly making there way into upstream. The parts upstreamed do not yet include the python3 bits but those are under consideration by upstream over the past week.
[16:23] <OvenWerks> https://discourse.ardour.org/t/anyone-encountering-rt-jack-issues-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-20-04-lts/103477
[16:31] <OvenWerks> Oh, and of course the upstream for jack_mixer has changed too.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> but my guess is that the packaging will end up starting from scratch as jack_mixer has been dropped in debian too.
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: RE: Jack Mixer, yep.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: RE: that Ardour thread: I'm facepalming through the whole thing. This is exactly WHY Ubuntu Studio (and installer) exists, but apparently is ignored by the Ardour community???? 😡
[18:27] <OvenWerks> So it appears to be installation trouble then., OK
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Should we add cgred and cgconfig though?
[18:27] <OvenWerks> I don't know
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> I mean, one person: "Installing linux-lowlatency solved the problem." *facepalm*
[18:28] <OvenWerks> I don't understand cgroups well enough to know.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Here's the thing: Installing Ubuntu (or Xubuntu as one person did) doesn't install our defaults *unless* they use -installer after the fact. It's just frustrating to see a thread like that when the solution is right under their noses.
[18:29] <OvenWerks> I do have some work I need to do on Ardour though. Two bugs and one feature that is part done. So between that and the few controls bits I feel need to be finished by FF... I'm not ready to study on it
[18:30] <OvenWerks> (it neing cgroups)
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. ugh...
[18:32] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio is just now regaining credibility... one step at a time
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> So, how did it lose credibility? Was it when it almost died?
[18:33] <OvenWerks> yes
[18:34] <OvenWerks> and maybe two years before that too
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Ok. Well, we're on the right track. I see holstein singing our praises constantly, so there's that, and that speaks volumes.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:35] <OvenWerks> A stick in the mud :) but a nice guy otherwise
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> I just wish we could get Filipe back on the team rather than fragmenting into KXStudio.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> The one thing I do miss is that he uses a FW device and makes a good tester
[18:40] <OvenWerks> Filipe is splitting Catia off of Cadence so it would be good to have that.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> I do not think he is able to work within the debian/ubuntu world and do what he wants to do.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> he distributes binary blobs
[18:43] <Eickmeyer> He does, and he doesn't. I think the only binary blob he distributed was waf, but there's other things that I have to skip over in the plugins area.
[18:43] <OvenWerks> Ardour is a binary too
[18:44] <OvenWerks> not from src
[18:44] <OvenWerks> this means it includes the gtk2 patches ardour uses
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> People have complained about how slow his build is to launch compared to ours and/or Ardour's binary.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> wierd, it is Ardour's binary
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I don't know if he installs it on opt though
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> I don't know either.