guiverchas anyone been able to write groovy ISO to thumb-drive & boot on hardware; I grabbed ubu-stud, xub, ubu, kubu, sunday night (AU est) & all failed, again grabbed with lubu & failed too.. groovy; 4 thumb-drives & written from two boxes..  (repeat of #ubuntu+1 question; "unable to find medium container a live file system \n Attempt interactive netboot from a URL?"03:12
dufluA month ago, yes :) I haven't tried it since then03:14
guivercthanks duflu, I zsync'd lubuntu sunday morning (melb time) & no issues... today fail ... but I seem to wear-out thumb-drives thus why I've not raised lp bug report..03:16
guivercthe issue maybe only on old BIOS boxes; just booted on EUFI thingy & getting different reaction..03:22
guiverci can boot 20.04 (groovy daily) on uefi box, not older BIOS (multiple boxes tried)03:25
guiverci'll raise a bug report...  :) thanks duflu 03:25
guivercit's not all BIOS boxes; impacts only older (maybe)04:13
dufluguiverc, I've just grabbed the latest image and will do some evening testing soon. You can also make modern machines into legacy "BIOS" machines in the BIOS settings04:51
guivercduflu, I've now tested numerous boxes, mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/1883040 ; most BIOS actually pass it turns out..04:52
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1883040 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "groovy daily won't boot anymore on some older BIOS boxes" [Undecided,New]04:52
dufluStupid me. I've been advocating for years that people should download each daily image to help ISO triage, and I didn't04:56
guivercwe gotta work within the number of hours in our day04:57
dufluI mean "ISO bisection"04:58
guivercxnox, no focal ISO at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/214469/downloads - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/187652505:18
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1876525 in Ubuntu QA Website "Link to download information - results in 404 not found" [Undecided,New]05:18
dufluguiverc, try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/focal/daily-live/05:34
guivercthanks duflu 05:35
guivercI'll grab it tonight.. (avoid bandwidth quota issues.. zsync says heaps of change..)05:52
jibelguiverc, I fixed the links for lubuntu and ubuntu. I've to go through each series manually. It'll take a moment to fix them all06:05
didrocksgood morning06:07
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:09
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 06:09
dufluHi jibel, didrocks, oSoMoN 06:11
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:14
guivercthank you jibel 06:17
didrockshey oSoMoN, duflu 06:17
seb128goood morning desktopers06:33
jibelhello world06:33
dufluHi seb128 06:34
didrockssalut jibel 06:35
oSoMoNsalut seb128, jibel 06:43
dufluBack in a bit06:47
marcustomlinsongood morning duflu jibel didrocks oSoMoN seb12806:53
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson 06:55
jibeldidrocks, salut07:08
jibeldidrocks, does https://paste.debian.net/1151539/ look good to you?07:08
didrocksjibel: yeah, I didn’t spot any typos compared to yesterday07:15
didrockshey marcustomlinson 07:15
PaulePanterIf Canonical people working on Dell (Sputnik project) and with contact to Dell are in here, it’d be great if you looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/1871491.07:20
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1871491 in Dell Sputnik "Dell Precision 7740: Resume failures related to AC/battery" [Undecided,New]07:20
seb128hey duflu didrocks jibel marcustomlinson oSoMoN, how is it going today?07:37
jibeltoday is wet07:38
jibellike it's raining all the sky forgot to rain over the last 3 months07:38
seb128PaulePanter, hey, the most recent comment on that bug state it was a bios issue and fixed with the update published by Dell, what do you expect us to look at exactly?07:38
seb128jibel, enjoy being sitting at the computer in a dry place :)07:39
marcustomlinsonhey seb128, yeah doing alright, you?07:39
seb128marcustomlinson, I'm fine thanks!07:39
didrocks(enjoy… doing perl and debian patches :p)07:39
seb128good old perl!07:40
didrocksold -> yeah07:41
didrocksgood -> we can debate :p07:41
didrocksperl -> definitively perl07:41
jibelI switched to emacs to write debian patches in perl07:41
jibelsomethings wrong with me today obviously07:42
didrockstoo many wrong things in one sentence07:42
didrocksit could be worse with s/write/read07:42
oSoMoNseb128, I'm good, thanks! it's been raining heavily for the past two days here, and the sky is still very grey, looking forward to the sun coming back07:44
seb128hopefully for the w.e ;)07:45
PaulePanterseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/186634307:54
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1866343 in Dell Sputnik "Dell Latitude 5480/5488: Resume failures related to AC/battery state" [Undecided,Confirmed]07:54
PaulePanterseb128: The last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/1661741 asks to re-open the report.07:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1661741 in Dell Sputnik "[Dell Inc. Latitude E5470] suspend/resume failure" [High,Fix released]07:56
PaulePanterseb128: I asked the user to clarify in https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/1661741.07:59
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1661741 in Dell Sputnik "[Dell Inc. Latitude E5470] suspend/resume failure" [High,Fix released]07:59
PaulePanterseb128: Maybe my issue is different after all.08:00
marcustomlinsonhey Laney08:01
Laneyjibel: I get the perl part, but the emacs part is where you need to be saved08:02
* Laney sends help08:02
Laneyhey marcustomlinson duflu 08:02
oSoMoNhey Laney 08:28
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:28
seb128PaulePanter, right, it's a bit unclear if there is still an issue and what it is, I think it would help to have a clean report after testing on focal with updated bios if that's stil an issue there08:29
seb128Laney, you are gnome-session co-maintainer now right? could you try to review https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/merge_requests/46 ? it's a change the oem team cares about08:31
didrockshey Laney 08:34
Laneyhi oSoMoN seb128 didrocks 08:35
jibelTrevinho, is there a way to switch between all the windows of all the workspaces with alt tab? I've org.gnome.shell.app-switcher current-workspace-only set to false but it works only for super tab 08:48
jibelI'm on g-s 3.36.3-1ubuntu208:49
didrocksI was wrong, it’s another schema, same key name but another schema08:50
jibelnvm the key is window-switcher08:50
didrocksI think we should have both having the same value by default, no?08:50
didrockseither both to true (window switch and application switcher) or both to false08:50
didrocks(Note that having different defaults is upstream, we don’t override any of them)08:51
popeydidrocks finally got some time to try and fix my laptop, booted into 20.04 live, and tried the first command which is "sudo zpool import rpool -R /mnt" which fails saying it's used by another system and I need to use -f, is that okay?12:27
didrockspopey: yes, the issue is that it’s not been properly umounted (due to the error on boot)12:40
didrocksso -f is fine12:40
didrocks(it’s to avoid 2 different systems mounting the same disk while running)12:41
popeythese mount commands aren't right. I end up with /boot/boot and /boot/efi and /boot/grub in the chroot, which doesn't look right12:42
didrockspopey: hum, as I wrote them from memory. I probably did miss something :)  sorry is was zpool import bpool -R /mnt (not /mnt/boot)12:45
didrocksthis is why we need to take some time to put that in ZSys wiki until the grub issue is fixed (if ever fixed)12:45
popeyI think my best course is to backup and nuke this12:46
didrockspopey: at least, if you wait for a couple of weeks, you can setup encryption with groovy :)12:46
popeyHah! I'm not falling for this again! :D12:47
popeyI remember upgrading away from an LTS sat next to you at a sprint some years ago.12:47
popeynever again :D12:47
didrocksbut we got it working at the end! Remember this :)12:47
didrocksand you really wanted to try the new Yaru :p12:48
didrocksI’ll try to get to a screw up system (full disk) next week and write that recovery wiki page12:48
* popey finds a 2TB disk to backup onto12:52
jibelLaney, we're trying to decrypt a user volume on login using systemd. With gdm, ssh or login from a tty the user session is activated properly including the mount home dir. But it doesn't with sudo or su. With these tools the session is not visible in loginctl. Do you know why there is a difference between gdm/ssh and sudo/su/login/..., and if it's on purpose?14:30
didrocksNote that we checked that all pam configuration are calling pam_systemd.so14:30
didrocks(even those not opening this logind session)14:31
jibelLaney, for example with ssh I see in the journal "Started Session 53 of user u."14:34
jibelbut nothing with su14:34
ddstreetjibel you're using 'su -' to create a login session?14:36
ddstreetor 'su -l'14:36
jibelsu -14:37
jibelbut there is not difference with -l, logind is not called at all14:37
hellsworthgood morning desktopers14:47
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:47
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 14:48
hellsworthhi guys14:48
didrockshey hellsworth 14:49
hellswortho/ didrocks 14:50
Laneyjibel: didrocks: not sure, I know logind isn't started via su/sudo but not exactly how14:53
Laneydid you look at the different things in /etc/pam.d/?14:54
jibelyes, we added a pam_exec after each line of each pam config file to trace the calls. And we just know that pam_systemd doesn't ask logind to create a session with su or sudo but cannot figure out why.14:55
jibelah actually "pam_systemd(su-l:session): Not creating session: Already running in a session or user slice"14:57
Laneymakes sense15:00
Laneyuse machinectl shell or something15:01
didrocksok, we can workaround all that by an elegant solution based on .automount units with IdleTimeout15:45
Laneydid you look into what homed is doing with decrypting on login? feels like a similar problem15:49
jibelnot yet15:50
didrocksLaney: the issue is that no systemd integration for helping ZFS is wanted upstream15:51
didrocksLennart was clear on a bug report about that15:51
didrocksso, we’ll see15:51
Laneyright, I think it's a homed pam module rather15:51
Laneyok, see you monday!17:13
oSoMoNhave a good week-end Laney 17:16
oSoMoNhellsworth, fontforge/s390x is now built in groovy-proposed, so I retried https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.4.4-0ubuntu1/+build/1940181018:13
hellsworthoSoMoN: thank you so so much!18:21
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