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[03:20] <Curly> Any one here?
[03:26] <Bashing-om> Curly: Maybe ask the experts: #ubuntustudio  channel.
[03:27] <Curly> Bashing-om   Greetings!
[03:27] <Bashing-om> Curly: :D Still here even after all these years.
[03:27] <Curly> I didn't know there was a musicians on IRC.
[03:28] <Curly> Nice to meet you.
[03:28] <Curly> Are you a musician?
[03:29] <Bashing-om> Curly: Closest I come is the volume on the stereo :P
[03:29] <Curly> All these years, it sounds like you are the sherrif of the channel. Hey that is cool.
[03:29] <Curly> Stereo, there are two of you. That must be an interesting thing. :)
[03:30] <Curly> I am just funning.   How are you my friend?
[03:30] <Curly> I was just passing by the IRC neighborhood these days.
[03:31] <Curly> There are so many IRC channels and Xubuntu is just a tiny little space in the woodwork of telecommunications.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> Curly: Well - I generally try to be friendly - less friction that way :D
[03:32] <Curly> Bashing, that is a good attitude. Keep up the good spirit.
[03:33] <Curly> Bashing-om you remind me of Festus Hagun on Gun-Smoke. He was cool.
[03:33] <Curly> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> Curly: Uh Huh - he was a favorite charcater of mine also.
[03:34] <Curly> :)
[03:35] <Curly> I like Festus Hagan, if you listen to his reasoning it is confounding. He was quite of a guy.
[03:35] <Curly> Miss Kitty was cool.
[03:35] <Bashing-om> Curly: "Now Matt, you know that ain't going to work" :P
[03:35] <Curly> :)
[03:36] <Curly> Matt Dillon was a cool guy.
[03:36] <Curly> He had all of the answers.
[03:36] <Bashing-om> Curly: Golden days of TV - long before xubuntu and so many commercials.
[03:36] <Curly> Bashing are you a regular on this Channle?
[03:37] <Curly> Yeah!  True.
[03:37] <Unit193> Hmm, this seems to have drifted a bit from Xubuntu support, perhaps a social channel would be better to continue this discussion?
[03:37] <Curly> I have seen almost all of Gunsmoke episodes.
[03:38] <Bashing-om> Curly: Yeah - amongts a bunch of others here on freenode.
[03:38] <Curly> I have been on Freenode many times.
[03:39] <Curly> I have met many good people.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> Curly: I have noted that you are apt in support here :)
[03:40] <Curly> Well, I don't own this channel. I found this channel by accident. I am a scientist and a techinical writer. I just do what I do. I try to help people who need help.
[03:41] <Curly> If I am not welcomed here, I can leave.
[03:41] <Bashing-om> Curly: How long have you used 'buntu as operating system of choice ? Got some free time to donate ?
[03:41] <Curly> Ubuntu I have been using Linux which Ubunit is  a UNICES distro. For almost 25 years.
[03:42] <Curly> Ubuntu is of the UNIX family.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> Curly: Well me - old as dirt - been open source since the early 70's.
[03:44] <Curly> I remember a friend from the IRC he called himself: "Papajohn", he used the expression on his part messages that he was: "Older than dirt." Funny you should say that.
[03:44] <Curly> Papajohn, was a nice person.
[03:44] <Curly> I miss him.
[03:45] <Curly> His friend was:   Tid-bit
[03:45] <Curly> Tid-bit was in a hospital bed for years and he made friend on the IRC with me and others.
[03:45] <Bashing-om> Curly: Can't say I have ran across them :(
[03:45] <Curly> I don't know what happened to him.
[03:46] <Curly> That was about 20 years ago.
[03:46] <Curly> I have met so many people on the IRC.
[03:47] <Curly> Bashing nice to meet you.
[03:47] <Curly> I am sure you have seen me talk with others here.
[03:48] <Bashing-om> Curly: My pleasure also. You in the venue to contribute to the ubuntu effort ?
[03:48] <Curly> Whatever that means, but I thank you. :)
[03:50] <Bashing-om> Curly: Above you said you are a "techinical writer" - Ubuntu News Letter could sure use your expertise.
[03:50] <Curly> From what I have seen here, there are a lot of people who want to learn Ubuntu.   Ubuntu is a UNIX-like kernel. UNIX is an expensive and eclective OS. UBUNTU is a free distribution which is again free and I applaud those who use it.
[03:51] <Curly> Bashing, if you remember that, yes, I am a Technical Writer. I have 5 Masters Degrees. I don't like to brag about it.
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Curly: I came to ubuntu from a SlackWare server - when I took the server down and went desktop - ubuntu documentation won me over.
[03:52] <Curly> Slackware is from what I remember?     They just don't keep up on the latest news on Linux.
[03:53] <Bashing-om> Curly: After fighting with SlackWare - ubuntu was a breath of fresh air :)
[03:54] <Curly> Bashing the documentation is not what you should look for. Talk with those who have insight and those who have experience using UBUNTU and Xubuntu and learn that way by experience.
[03:55] <Curly> I can tell you stories about how so many people have struggled with Linux and Ubuntu now it is called Xubuntu. It doesn't change.
[03:56] <Curly> Bashing are you a regular on this Channel?
[03:56] <Curly> Nice to meet you Bashing.
[03:58] <Curly> My first experience was Red Hat 6   <--------<  People laugh at me but I learned a lot from that installation.
[03:59] <Curly> I fixed a person's computer and he gave me a Red Hat 6 disk and I learned Lunux from that. I was just a beginner then.
[04:01] <Curly> Where are you from Bashing?   I am from Massachussetts   USA.
[04:01] <Bashing-om> Curly: Arkansas Ridge runner here :P
[04:02] <Curly> Arkansas, nice.
[04:03] <Curly> I always wondered why the   s      was at the end of Arkansas    which is silent.
[04:04] <Curly> Othewise it would be   Arkansasssss
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Curly: Has to do with Are Kansas ? back when the states were formed .. maybe an indigenous name ?
[04:05] <Curly> I suppose you could add a few more sss'
[04:05] <Curly> Bashing what version or distro are you using/
[04:05] <Curly> ?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> Curly: My daily is a roll_my_own from the 18.04 repo.
[04:06] <Curly> I am using 18.04 LTS but I tried the latest version and it has problems. So This version is a stable version and works well.
[04:08] <Curly> I can tell you from a Technical viewpoint, anytime you use something new there will invariably be issues and then people revert back to the verion that really works so use the version that works safely.
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Curly: Just a tool - use what works best for your use case :P
[04:10] <Curly> I agree.
[04:11] <Curly> Bashing what do you do for a living? Do you use Xubuntu as a hobbie?
[04:12] <Curly> I eat, drink, sleep, operate, program computers. I live for it because it put bread & butter on my table and put money in my pocket. But, that is not the reason why I use computers. I have been using computers since I was a kid.
[04:13] <Bashing-om> Curly: Retired now - and yeah xubuntu keeps me occupied - Communications networks controller.
[04:13] <Curly> Controller of what?
[04:14] <Bashing-om> Curly: Traffic management - fault isolation and restoral :D
[04:14] <Curly> Bashing I have 5 Masters Degrees in communications. My Resume would fill up the screen.
[04:15] <Curly> Traffic management, never heard of it. Please explain?
[04:16] <Curly> Communications traffic?
[04:16] <Bashing-om> Curly: Watching the load on the circuits and bringing up or down routes as required.
[04:17] <Curly> So you are a Systems Manager watching the traffic. It reminds me of    Wireshark  <------<   I know about that stuff too. :)
[04:17] <Curly> Have you used:   Wireshark?
[04:19] <Bashing-om> Curly: Management is all about the money - I have used wireshark a bit or so, yeah - but I find the exact tool to tell me what I need to know.
[04:20] <Curly> Wireshark is a   Port Sniffer or Port Monitor. It looks at the data packets and analyzes the traffic.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> Curly: Nice yakking with you but my getting off time - see ya later :D
[04:22] <Curly> It is a prolific waste of time and money but it works well and if you like being a sneek that is the software. But, the caveat is you need to be at the port accesss to use it. Otherwise it is useless.
[04:23] <Curly> Port Access is the Access point to use the sniffer.
[04:24] <Curly> Yakking with you too.  See you anon.
[04:38] <Curly> Sudo apt-get moo     I    likke    the little   cow.
[04:39] <Curly>                  (__)
[04:39] <Curly>                  (oo)
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[04:40] <Curly> 7 lines of text
[04:41] <Curly> ASCII is not allowed on this channel. Sorry to see that.
[04:42] <Unit193> This is a support channel, of course it's not the right channel for asciiart...
[04:42] <Curly> Unit193  thanks for that edification.
[04:43] <Curly> I will curb my intelligence on this channel.
[04:45] <Unit193> ...That's....not really the point, just a technical support channel isn't really the place for asciiart...  Alis (/msg alis help list) might know of channels, I've been in a couple in the past.
[04:46] <Curly> Unit193  thanks for the advice.
[04:46] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[04:47] <Curly> Where are you from Unit193?
[04:47] <Curly> I showed where I am from Massachussetts USA
[04:48] <Curly> You seem to be a technical advisor on this channel.
[04:49] <Unit193> Just trying to keep it on topic, so if people don't have much time on their hands they can quickly glance in to see if anyone needs help, is all.  If you'd like a channel more geard towards chat, there's also #xubuntu-offtopic. :)
[04:50] <Curly> Unit193, I seem to be always off-toppic. It is net deliberate, but, some things are blatent and outspoken and so evident to make a comment. There is nothing wroing with that. I hope not.
[04:53] <Curly> Unit193 being a human being is not a sin. Being a jerk is. I work at being an obliging good decent human being, but there are and will always be people who abhore those who adhere to a righteious way of life.
[04:53] <housecat> it's not hard to stay on topic
[04:53] <housecat> it's a support channel
[04:53] <housecat> stick to support
[04:54] <housecat> ez
[04:54] <Curly> I am support.  I have so many credentials. It would be a crime to take support fom others.
[04:55] <Curly> Nevertheless, I will back off and sit in the side and let everyone fence for themselves.
[04:56] <Curly> Thank you for your attention.
[08:21] <v1adimir> "Thank you for your cooperation" Bzz-zzt *Puts gun away into leg compartment*
[09:35] <mr> Does anyone have an idea why my Xubuntu installation automatically updated its kernel from the ..-generic to 5.3.0-1026-gke? My college has the same installation and is currently on 5.3.0-59-generic. It seems to cause alot of problems on my system (vpn, video driver and audio stopped working)
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> mr: are you still on 19.10?
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> dpkg -l linux-gke
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> what does taht say
[09:40] <mr> I'm on 18.04. I need to use the Xilinx Environment which does not work on newer versions
[09:41] <mr> Also: dpkg-query: no packages found matching linux-gke
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> what does 'dpkg -l | grep gke' say?
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> it's doubtful your xubuntu install automatically updated the kernel
[09:42] <mr> ii  linux-gke-5.3-headers-5.3.0-1026                            5.3.0-1026.28~18.04.1                                       amd64        Header files related to Linux kernel version 5.3.0ii  linux-headers-5.3.0-1026-gke                                5.3.0-1026.28~18.04.1                                       amd64        Linux kernel headers for
[09:42] <mr> version 5.3.0 on 64 bit x86 SMPii  linux-image-5.3.0-1026-gke                                  5.3.0-1026.28~18.04.1                                       amd64        Signed kernel image GKEii  linux-image-gke-5.3                                         5.3.0.1026.13                                               amd64        Google Container
[09:42] <mr> Engine (GKE) Linux kernel imageii  linux-modules-5.3.0-1026-gke                                5.3.0-1026.28~18.04.1                                       amd64        Linux kernel extra modules for version 5.3.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> mostly likely you installed something that has a dependance
[09:43] <pmjdebruijn> apt-get purge linux-gke-5.3-headers-5.3.0-1026 linux-image-5.3.0-1026-gke linux-modules-5.3.0-1026-gke
[09:43] <pmjdebruijn> does that tell you anything else would be removed?
[09:45] <mr> Yes, Wireguard, the VPN client
[09:45] <pmjdebruijn> well, that why you're getting the gke kernel then
[09:45] <pmjdebruijn> most like apt told you it would install the gke kernel when you install wireguard
[09:45] <pmjdebruijn> likely*
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> so xubuntu didn't automatically install anything really
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> just regular dependancy handling
[09:46] <mr> But my colleague uses Wireguard too, and is on 5.3.0-59-generic
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> 18.04 doesn't even have wireguard in the official repos
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> so presumably you added a ppa for that
[09:46] <mr> Yes
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> mr: I don't recall saying it couldn't work
[09:47] <mr> The thing is we both did the exact same thing there
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> may he didn't reboot just yet?
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> new kernel installs only take ffect after reboot
[09:47] <mr> We did this over 2 months ago
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> also, do apt-cache show wireguard | grep -i gke
[09:48] <pmjdebruijn> maybe it's just a recommends, not a depends
[09:48] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait, but then purge wouldn't remove it
[09:48] <pmjdebruijn> to be honest, I'd just use openvpn
[09:48] <pmjdebruijn> as opposed to use some ppa, that installs third party kernel modules
[09:48] <mr> Afaik I don't really have a choice there
[09:48] <pmjdebruijn> generally speaking whenever stuff installs kernel modules, you should be weary
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> someone's forcing wireguard onto you?
[09:49] <mr> Well the employer
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> lol
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> wireguard is barely out of beta
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> it's only just mainlined
[09:49] <Unit193> I mean it's in mainline released kernels, soo.
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> 20.04 actually had a backport the code
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> Unit193: only just now
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> using wireguard basically means you're going to have a terrible time connecting with anything that isn't super-current
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> which is a rather stupid business decision
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> wireguard will be awesome in a year or two
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> when it's semi universally supported
[09:51] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow
[09:51] <pmjdebruijn> mr: during bootup you can select a different kernel from grub though
[09:51] <pmjdebruijn> mr: are you using the official wireguard ppa?
[09:52] <mr> Yes
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpad.net/~wireguard/+archive/ubuntu/wireguard presumably that one?
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> you may want to contact the team
[09:52] <pmjdebruijn> having a hard dependancy on the gke may be not intentional?
[09:53] <mr> Yes i use that one. Maybe.
[09:53] <pmjdebruijn> maybe?
[09:53] <pmjdebruijn> grep wireguard /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[09:53] <Unit193> (It doesn't have a hard dep on gke)
[09:53] <mr> Whether its intentional
[09:53] <mr> I added the ppa
[09:53] <mr> No maybe there
[09:53] <pmjdebruijn> mr: put 'apt-cache show wireguard ' on pastebin
[09:55] <mr> https://pastebin.com/raw/JwYXz6yz
[09:56] <pmjdebruijn> huh
[09:56] <pmjdebruijn> then why would purgeing the gke packages, also remove wireguard?
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> same for apt-cache show wireguard-dkms wireguard-tools and wireguard-modules
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> see how that's linked together
[09:57] <Unit193> wireguard depends on either the dkms module, or a kernel that has support for wireguard.  Certain HWE kernels do.
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> just a matter of following the breadcrumps
[10:03] <rhode> Can i ask the group here. I have been looking at my HW stack here at home, and that have brought me to thinking about the "arms-race" for updating that many of us do (gear-lust). However how much do we actually need ?   E.G. how much RAM are you guys using in your system, and are you hitting the limits of that ?
[10:03] <rhode> Mostly asking people using the machine for normal things - not Video/YT creators, or people running multiple simultanious VM's - just ordinary user. Would 8 GB be limiting for you in any way ?
[10:07] <mr> So is it reasonable to assume the package wireguard-dkms could be used instead of that kernel?
[10:08] <mr> Also is there an easy way to "fix" my setup (installing a ..-generic kernel and the wireguard package instead)?
[10:09] <Unit193> Provided a kernel doesn't have 'privides: wireguard-modules', yeah -dkms is the next best thing.
[10:09] <Unit193> Perhaps  apt install linux-generic wireguard-dkms?
[10:13] <pmjdebruijn> Unit193: presumably mr still has linux-generic
[10:15] <Curly> https://blog.linuxserver.io/2019/11/24/connect-an-ubuntu-client-to-opnsense-wireguard-tunnel-with-a-gui-toggle-in-gnome/
[10:16] <mr> Ok, thanks pmjdebruijn
[10:21] <Unit193> Hrm, are focal HWE kernels out for Bionic at this time?
[10:21] <pmjdebruijn> nope
[10:22] <Unit193> Bummer, would have to use dkms then.
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> there's a 3 month delay
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> remember
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> which is exactly why I find it baffling people are using wireguard in business already
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> it's bizarre
[10:22] <Unit193> Aka "They come with the first point release"
[10:23] <pmjdebruijn> it's funny how easy some people are pulled into the hype train
[10:24] <Unit193> I think calling it 'hype' is a bit overboard, but meh.
[10:26] <pmjdebruijn> hype does not imply the technology is not valid or has benefits
[10:26] <pmjdebruijn> hype means are disproportionally motivated to get benefits they usually don't need as badly as they really do
[10:27] <pmjdebruijn> the main case where openvpn really falls short is high bandwidth links
[10:27] <pmjdebruijn> so that's usually not a thing for client vpns
[10:28] <Curly> Pmjdebruijn  <----------------<   That is not a nickname. What are you?
[10:30] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[10:30] <Curly> Good morning fellow.
[10:39] <Curly> PM why is wireguard so important?
[10:41] <Curly> A good firewall makes all of the difference.
[10:42] <pmjdebruijn> huh? that's nonsensical
[10:42] <Curly> What is more a good network Adninistrator is key in stopping problems.
[10:43] <pmjdebruijn> well, sure, but those are rather general statements
[10:43] <Curly> I suppose breathing is non-sensical
[10:43] <pmjdebruijn> my point being, a firewall doesn't solve any issues a vpn help you with
[10:44] <Curly> If you use VPN, that solves lots of problems.
[10:45] <Curly> Virtual Private Networking is a nice tool of the trade.
[10:45] <pmjdebruijn> that's another very generic statement
[10:46] <Curly> VPN is good for what it is. Don't forget you have a IP address which will follow you all over the internet.
[10:49] <Curly> Your IP address is a fingerprint of who you are and where you are and what you are and?
[10:49] <pmjdebruijn> the idea that merely being behind a consumer vpn solves privacy issues, is erhm rediculous
[10:50] <Curly> It solves nothing.
[10:50] <pmjdebruijn> but our initial argument wasn't about consumer vpns at all
[10:51] <Curly> PM  I am not arguing with you. Man a good cup of coffee would be right about now.
[10:52] <Curly> Where are you from? I am from Massachusetts USA.
[10:54] <Curly> I always wondered why Massachusetts was such a big word. I should study upon it  ;)]
[10:55] <Curly> PM with a good password protected system, there is not break-in.
[10:56] <Curly> Also a good firewall protection.
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[17:26] <Noboru55> hello
[17:27] <xu-irc74w> hello
[17:27] <Noboru55> i am running google chrome, and i run firefox to open e-mails..
[17:27] <Noboru55> but firefox is so.... slow.. and.. its impossible to runs it
[17:28] <Noboru55> i tried let open thunderbird but it uses more cpu and ram than a browser
[17:28] <xu-irc74w> pls fix super + space to change language, it makes me want to go to the attic, take a rope and commit to making various knots
[17:29] <Noboru55> so i was thinking about... only sometimes open thunderbird or...  discover a new light browser
[17:30] <Noboru55> why 2 browsers, in one i browse bettween sites, the other i use only for emails
[17:30] <xu-irc74w> did you try vivaldi?
[17:31] <Noboru55> maybe i could.... use emails in google chrome and browse using chromium
[17:31] <Noboru55> i did not
[17:31] <xu-irc74w> should
[17:31] <Noboru55> ok.. i think i will do it
[17:32] <Noboru55> now about the super key.... its something i would like to know
[17:32] <Noboru55> for example, i set the super to open the xfce-menu
[17:32] <Noboru55> but if i type super+otherkey
[17:32] <Noboru55> i cant get the shortcut, because the xfce-menu opens
[17:33] <Noboru55> did you understand?
[17:35] <xu-irc74w> in keybord layout one can set up the shortcut to switch languages
[17:35] <xu-irc74w> I need it alot
[17:36] <xu-irc74w> so there is an option to set super + space like in windows, but it does not work properly, it does not rotate
[17:36] <xu-irc74w> you switch 3 times or how many languages you had set up and it stops
[17:38] <Noboru55> i dont't see the shortcut u said
[17:39] <Noboru55> super+space
[17:40] <Noboru55> ah, u want to configure that
[17:43] <Noboru55> xu-irc74w in keyboard options TAB "disposition" the last one...  (here is not in english)
[17:44] <Noboru55> if u uncheck use the default system... the options below it appears shortcut
[17:44] <Noboru55> to change between layouts.. u can modify
[18:15] <Noboru55> hello
[18:16] <Noboru55> where is the guy with problem on layout keyboards?
[18:24] <Noboru55> hello
[18:27] <Noboru55> hi
[18:29] <kgb> o/
[18:29] <kgb> dunno, not a clue! :P:D
[18:30] <Noboru55> my problem is about the shortcut Super
[18:30] <Noboru55> here super opens the xfce menu
[18:30] <Noboru55> but.... if i try to use Super+anyKey to other shortcut
[18:30] <Noboru55> the menu opens too
[18:30] <Noboru55> :(
[20:34] <linux_n> Does xubuntu 20.04 come with snap by default?
[20:34] <Curly> Noboru55  are you still having problems with your keyboard issues?
[20:37] <Curly> Keyboard issues has to do with    <   Intstallation issues   > When you install Ubuntu, it asks what your keyboard-type is.
[20:38] <Curly> This could be a fluke in the installation process.
[20:44] <brainwash> linux_n: you can show installed snap packages with "snap list"
[20:45] <brainwash> and yes, the snap package manager is installed by default
[20:46] <linux_n> Thanks brainwash
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[21:38] <Curly> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager)
[21:38] <Curly> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/snap-package-manager-on-ubuntu/
[21:41] <Curly> People keep forgetting that Xubuntu is Ubuntu.
[22:17] <Noboru55> hello
[22:17] <Noboru55> how can i install chromium browser without snap?
[22:18] <Noboru55> :)
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[22:59] <Curly> 113,000 people have died from Corona Virus.
[23:01] <Curly> My kid brother died from Corona-19 virus.
[23:12] <n-iCe> sad to read
[23:12] <n-iCe> im sorry
[23:59] <Curly> Thanks n-iCe.  I eat healthy foods and keep up with good exercise and  that virus is on a rampage. Keep social distancing and wear those masks and pray that you live another day.