[15:33] <jrwren> FYI, the apache in 20.04 does TLS virtual hosts differently than all previous ubuntu. You have to turn SSLEngine On in each virtual host on port 443.
[15:34] <cmaloney> of
[15:34] <cmaloney> oof
[15:35] <cmaloney> refresh my memory: is that for each entry in the config then?
[15:35] <cmaloney> That's not horrible, but quite the surprise
[15:38] <jrwren> yes each vhost entry, often separate .conf files
[15:38] <jrwren> and yes, it isn't horrible, it is really as it should be.
[15:38] <jrwren> but it is a surprise change.
[15:39] <jrwren> esp for a minor patch upgrade.
[15:39] <jrwren> apache httpd 2.4.something to something bigger.
[15:40] <jrwren> hrmf... packages.ubuntu actually shows 2.4.41 for both... so I don't nkow what changed.
[15:40] <jrwren> very strange either way.
[15:42] <cmaloney> I hate it when something like that gets snuck into a point release
[15:43] <cmaloney> x.x.+1 == guess what your afternoon now includes.
[15:48] <jrwren> well, now that I see they are both 41... I'm thinking maybe I fucked my config months ago and I didnt' realizei t.
[15:48] <jrwren> so... mabye it isn't different between ubuntu revs.
[15:51] <cmaloney> might be the mod_ssl or whatever module that updated?
[15:51]  * cmaloney is not a huge fan of how apache mod stuff works
[15:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, durp, good call.
[15:52] <jrwren> but... that is built into apache since like 1.3 or something.
[15:52] <jrwren> so that is 2.4.41 as well.
[15:52] <jrwren> haha... we are too old, we remember when it was separate.
[15:52] <cmaloney> I never remember what's built-in or separate
[15:52] <cmaloney> all I know is I never remember to include whatever I'm missing
[15:53] <cmaloney> Anytime something wonky happens with Apache it's about 20 minutes before I remember that there's modules
[15:53] <cmaloney> and that a2enmod exists
[15:53] <cmaloney> nginx has spoiled that knowledge
[15:54] <cmaloney> (And yes, I'll own that it's my problem, not Apache's issue)
[15:54] <jrwren> the only reason I haven't converted to nginx is... its like 10 vhosts and I'm too lazy to convert each. lul.
[15:54] <jrwren> no, i think it IS apache's issue.
[15:54] <jrwren> why is apache so complex compared to nginx?
[15:55] <cmaloney> No idea
[15:56] <cmaloney> I had to deploy using Apache for a project and it was like remembering that carbureators and mixing gas with oil was still a thing
[16:38] <rick_h> not moved to nginx yet still?
[16:38] <rick_h> finally have that in the archive thank goodness
[16:49] <jrwren> yeah, like I said... just too lazy to take the hour to migrate to nginx
[16:58] <rick_h> oh heh should read all the way down before replying :)