[02:54] <Curly> Hey folks! Do you know what Xubuntu is doing for the people who are using it. This is a help channel and hardly anyone is asking for help or advice. That is great. Xubuntu is working and all those who are using it have little or no coplaints. What a great testimony to a fantastic OS.
[02:56] <Curly> coplaints =  complaints
[03:06] <Andrio> Asking for advice doesn't necessarily equate to a complaint.
[03:07] <Curly> Andrio that is an excellent point.
[03:07] <Curly> Where are you from Andrio?
[03:08] <Andrio> Australia here.
[03:08] <Curly> Australia, that is nice, that is whee the kangaroos are.  :)
[03:09] <Curly> I am from the USA   Massachusetts.
[03:09] <Andrio> mm
[03:11] <Curly> Andrio what version of ubuntu do you use?
[03:13] <Curly> I am using LTS  18.04
[03:14] <Curly> The newest version has lots of bugs and problems.
[03:14] <Curly> 18.04 is stable.
[03:15] <Andrio> A few different versions at this point.
[03:15] <Andrio> I plan to upgrade to 20.04.1 when it's out.
[03:16] <Curly> Keep using what works right now. Don't upgrade unless it is necessary.
[03:17] <Curly> I wish the developers would park here on this channel and describe the changes, but ,that will never happpen.
[03:21] <Curly> Andrio,I have one friend on the IRC years ago named: 'Tid-bit" a long time ago. Have you ever seen him? Tid-Bit was a cripple man in a hospital and we used to talk all of the time in IRC.
[03:21] <Andrio> No..
[03:21] <Curly> I miss him. He was cool.
[03:22] <Curly> Andrio, have you seen the kangaroos there?  Tha must be something.
[03:23] <Curly> Kangaroos lift their feet or paws and kick you.  Ouch!!!
[03:28] <Curly> I have a Rotweiller dog. It is so huge it looks like a horse.
[03:28] <Curly> He is big baby.
[03:31] <Curly> Dogs can smell aggression.
[04:55] <metbsd> how do i check my ubuntu version?
[05:21] <well_laid_lawn> metbsd: see if the file ./etc/lsb_release exists
[05:22] <well_laid_lawn> metbsd: see if the file /etc/lsb_release exists
[05:24] <Curly> The mouse.
[05:25] <Curly> The mouse is quiet.
[05:25] <Curly> The mouse is always at your right hand.
[05:26] <Curly> The mouse is always at your right hand looking for something to click on.
[05:33] <Curly> If I remember   lsb_version -a
[09:27] <mrstrange> hello i just installed 20.04 and im changing my appearance atm all is fine except for 4 clown sized icons, the application nbutton the notification icon the battery icon and volume
[09:27] <mrstrange> bluetooth and wifi are normal sizze
[09:27] <mrstrange> any suggestions?
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> you may want to elaborate on how you've changed the appearnace
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> and are you on a high-dpi display?
[09:29] <mrstrange> 1080p laptop screen 14 inch
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> so high-dpi-ish
[09:29] <mrstrange> i installed adapto theme through apt
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> is your issue reproducable with the default theme as well?
[09:30] <mrstrange> yeah greybird same sizze now
[09:30] <mrstrange> size*
[09:30] <pmjdebruijn> ok, stick around, maybe someone else knows
[09:32] <mrstrange> k
[09:34] <pmjdebruijn> maybe post a screenshot somewhere to illustrate the issue
[09:37] <mrstrange> https://imgur.com/a/CnvEbAb
[09:41] <pmjdebruijn> mrstrange: did you try changing the dpi settings of your screen?
[09:41] <pmjdebruijn> does it still default to 96?
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> did you specifically make the panel that big? or is that default on your system?
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> beucase I think the icons are suppose dto scale with panel size
[09:42] <pmjdebruijn> so it's bluetooth, etc which are wrong, not the other ones
[09:43] <mrstrange> i didnt touch anything in the panel
[09:43] <mrstrange> where can i change the icon size in panel?
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> afaik the icon size isn't seperately configurable
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> but i'm hardly an expert
[09:44] <brainwash> it is
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> I never changed anything really from defaults
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu's defaults are it's greatests asset
[09:44] <brainwash> for "notification area" and "statusnotifier plugin"
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[09:44] <brainwash> go to panel settings > items > plugin settings
[09:44] <pmjdebruijn> someone else does know :D
[09:46] <mrstrange> acutally your solution worked
[09:46] <mrstrange> in the panel settings i couldnt get t hem smaller either but i resized the panel bar  a bit and now they are all same size
[09:46] <mrstrange> thank you
[10:05] <pmjdebruijn> even with the latest xfwm4 4.11.2 backported, I have cases on 20.04, which window manager goes totally bonkers, my scrollwheel now always scroll between windows
[10:05] <pmjdebruijn> regardless where my mouse is
[10:06] <pmjdebruijn> and many applications don't seem to be processing events anymore
[10:06] <pmjdebruijn> without them hanging
[10:14] <brainwash> pmjdebruijn: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=13233
[10:32] <pmjdebruijn> let me try turning vblank off then
[14:01] <Curly> Pmjdebruijn How much RAM do you have on that Linux box?
[14:01] <pmjdebruijn> why?
[14:01] <Curly> What is the size of your hard drive?
[14:04] <Curly> You mentioned you have  " hanging "  issues.
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> niether are relevant
[14:05] <Curly> It's possible your hardware might need to be updated.
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> I think 32G of RAM is fairly safe
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> should fit
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> nor is my disk full
[14:06] <Curly> That is a good sign. 32G  :)
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> it's clearly the window manager being confused
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> or something directly adjacent to the window manager
[14:07] <Curly> I make it a point to    sudo apt-get upgrade & update every day. That seems to fix issues.
[14:07] <pmjdebruijn> I do, and my xfwm is actually a point release ahead, since I backported a newer version locally
[14:08] <Curly> It could be a glitch in the relationship between your hardware and OS.  I have seen this happen so many times.
[14:09] <pmjdebruijn> it might end up being an issue in the amdgpu driver, but if so, I'd expect not being the only one to suffer from this
[14:09] <pmjdebruijn> I vaguely recall having this with my onboard Intel as well a while ago (but that was still when 20.04 wasn't officially released yet)
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> I've turned vblank off, and i will be interesting to see if that makes a different, next step would be to turn compositing off entirely
[14:11] <Curly> Something to keep in mind. When the CPU's get better, the technology is better but the OS's now need to be updated and upgrade to meet the new technology. Do you follow me?
[14:12] <Curly> It sounds like you have a good system there.
[14:12] <pmjdebruijn> I do
[14:13] <Curly> Don't be afraid to send the Linux folks an email to tell your story. I am sure they will appreciate your input.
[14:14] <pmjdebruijn> Curly: I appreciate you're trying to help, but I'm not new to Linux
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> I was mostly asking to see if it's a well known issue
[14:15] <Curly> When I repair computers and fix things I always treat my customers like I am a Doctor. I always ask questions and check the pulse and heart beat of things to fix it right.
[14:15] <Unit193> pmjdebruijn: It's entirely none of my business, but the Xubuntu team has a PPA that Xfce releases are backported to, if that's of interest.
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> given brainwash response, it seems to might be a fair amount of issues around the current version of xfwm
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> Unit193: I'm already on the latest xfwm, I backported it myself
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> but thanks!
[14:15] <Unit193> Yep, so I read. :)
[14:16] <pmjdebruijn> the latest xfwm release already has a fix that falls back to glx automatically for amd hardware
[14:16] <Unit193> Ah yes, that issue..
[14:17] <pmjdebruijn> apparently the structural fix would be in the gpu driver, but at least they now autoactivate the workaround transparantly
[14:17] <pmjdebruijn> thought that specific issue never hit me (at least not as far as I can recall)
[14:18] <Unit193> I've had some issues there where I hada to nab a few commits from git and rebuild the driver package, not something I like breaking...I'd prefer xfwm4 or something higher up. :3
[14:19] <pmjdebruijn> this is basically the only real issue I have with xu20.04
[14:19] <Curly> Unit193 are you using a build version?
[14:20] <pmjdebruijn> otherwise it's great
[14:21] <Unit193> Curly: And by 'build version' you mean..?
[14:21] <Curly> PM  20,04 is in it's developmental stages.
[14:21] <Unit193> No, 20.04 was released in April.
[14:21] <Curly> Unit193  did you compile your version?
[14:22] <Unit193> Of xserver-xorg-video-ati, yes.
[14:22] <Curly> Interesting.
[14:23] <Curly> Unit193  a gcc guy. Cool   ;)
[18:51] <Curly> Unit193 when you compiled your version did you also do an  MD5 Checksum to verify the hash to ensure the file integrity?
[19:04] <Noboru55> hello
[19:04] <Curly> Noboru55   <----------<    Big Greetings to you. Welcome.
[19:05] <Noboru55> thank you
[19:05] <Curly> Your welcome.
[19:05] <Curly> What is on your mind?
[19:06] <Noboru55> i was wondering if that auto-update of xubuntu does the same of sudo apt update  on terminal
[19:06] <Noboru55> because, when i installed the xubuntu i updated by that update-notifier
[19:06] <Noboru55> but i got other updates on terminal
[19:06] <Noboru55> so... i do not know
[19:06] <Noboru55> sorry my poor english... hope you understand me
[19:07] <Curly> To be truthfull, I cannot say for sure but   sudo apt-get update   &   sudo apt-get upgrade seems to keep thing up to date for me. I can only speak for myself.
[19:07] <Curly> Don't worry about your English.
[19:07] <Noboru55> yes, i always use the terminal to update too, but i was thinking about the update-notifier
[19:08] <Noboru55> and i would say i dislike the chromium installed via snap, i discovered the opera browser is very good too :)
[19:08] <Curly> I never use chromium.
[19:08] <Noboru55> now i use chrome and opera
[19:09] <Curly> Wow! Opera. I use Firefox.
[19:10] <Noboru55> firefox is not working good here
[19:10] <Curly> Don't use Google.   Use  https://www.duckduckgo.com
[19:10] <Curly> Google track you everywhere you go.     Duckduckgo does not.
[19:10] <Noboru55> i see
[19:11] <Curly> Google is a toilette. It boggs down your system and puts lots of garbage on your computer.
[19:13] <Noboru55> ^^
[19:13] <Curly> If you do use Windows, use   Bleachbit   &   CCleaner    those two are free and are worth installing.  There is another free good software called:   What's Running if you want to see in Windows what is running. But that is another story. I haven't searched for a Linux version of it.
[19:14] <Curly> If you go to a Terminal Emulator you can type in:    top
[19:15] <Curly> There is another command too.
[19:15] <Noboru55> i got disconnected
[19:15] <Noboru55> i run xubuntu 20.04 :)
[19:16] <Curly> I am running   18  right now. It works fine.
[19:16] <Noboru55> 18 is great
[19:16] <Curly> I tried 20.04  and found too many problems with it.
[19:17] <Noboru55> i think now its working fine
[19:18] <Curly> 20.04  had an install problem that the fonts were so small I couldn't read the screen. That was a pain. I did fix the problem but the fix was a pain in the *******
[19:18] <Noboru55> weird, i never had problems
[19:19] <Noboru55> maybe you could check de md5
[19:19] <Noboru55> do not know :O
[19:19] <Curly> My issue was a different one because I am using a CRT screen not an LCD so it is a different issue.
[19:20] <Noboru55> i see
[19:20] <Curly> Most of the technical support is for LCD Screens not CRT.  Cathode Ray Tube
[19:21] <Noboru55> yes, crt is kind rare in these days
[19:22] <Curly> CRT screens or monitors use more voltage so economically, it costs more.
[19:23] <Noboru55> but not sure about the health of your eyes
[19:23] <Curly> It is OK on the eyes. Why do you say that?
[19:24] <Noboru55> because i read in some place the crt does someting not good to the eyes
[19:24] <Noboru55> maybe its only comercial for lcd
[19:24] <Curly> Years ago, I used to use an   AMBER screen. I don't know if you ever seen one.
[19:24] <Noboru55> ^^ who knows
[19:24] <Noboru55> i do not remember, maybe not
[19:25] <Curly> Amber looks almost yellowish green  screen.  It was developed to keep your eyes from eye strang.
[19:25] <Curly> strain.
[19:25] <Noboru55> ahh i see
[19:26] <Curly> I had a conversation with an Opthomologist  eye doctor   He told me to take a few minutes a day and look outside and stare at the green trees and flowers  to relax my eyes.
[19:27] <Noboru55> good..
[19:27] <Noboru55> if a doctor says, so i believe too
[19:28] <Curly> By the way look up the word  colorimitry
[19:29] <Curly> Colorimitry treats of the subject of the wavelength of colors and the frequency range which is between  4,000  to  7,000 Angstroms.
[19:30] <Noboru55> yes i just looked to it
[19:30] <Noboru55> :)
[19:31] <Curly> :)
[19:31] <Curly> We take so much for granted and there is so much to learn out there.
[19:32] <Noboru55> yes i agree
[19:32] <Noboru55> coffe time.. see you Curly
[19:32] <Curly> Coffee time.   You didn't ask me if I wanted a cup.
[19:33] <Curly> Enjoy your coffee.  See you anon.