| guiverc | Lubuntu uses full disk encryption, so less code is available than other non-full disk (/boot unencrypted for example) is why control is limited... but sorry I don't know of any @Davd Heinrich | 00:13 |
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| lubot | <teward001> @David Heinrich [I installed Lubuntu with full disk encryption so it asks for pw on boot. Is ther …], I would err on the side of "no" - none of the FDE solutions that come with Lubuntu or Linux in general give you the option to reveal the password you're typing. | 04:00 |
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| SirNapkin1334 | hello, how can I create a live usb with persistent storage? I used rufus and ticked the "persistent storage" and set it to as much as I could (13GB on a 16GB usb), however, the lubuntu installer has no "try lubuntu" option. have I done something wrong? | 06:49 |
| SirNapkin1334 | and before you tell me to install it proper, the laptop has no internal hard disk. so no. | 06:50 |
| SirNapkin1334 | and I don't have any external disks that I can use currently. | 06:50 |
| SirNapkin1334 | there are 5 options: "Install Lubuntu"; "Check disc for defects"; "Test memory"; "Boot from first hard disk"; "Rescue a broken system" | 06:52 |
| guiverc | SirNapkin1334, I've only used `mkusb` to create persistent thumb drives - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/ | 06:53 |
| SirNapkin1334 | thank you i will take a look at that! | 06:53 |
| guiverc | SirNapkin1334, what release of Lubuntu; later releases say "Start Lubuntu" not "Try" | 06:54 |
| guiverc | The manual section for installing Lubuntu is https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html (it'll assume 20.04 LTS) | 06:54 |
| SirNapkin1334 | the file I downloaded it called "lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso" - so 18.06-alternate | 06:54 |
| SirNapkin1334 | yes, but I wish to create a live persistent usb, not install it proper (i'm sort of unable to do that) | 06:55 |
| SirNapkin1334 | unless you can point me to an incredibly cheap external disk, live persistent usb drive is going to be my only option | 06:55 |
| guiverc | the alternate ISO is for 768MB machines or less; it has fewer options, no LIVE mode so no try/start - it's an installer only (to fit in <768MB) | 06:55 |
| guiverc | you've got an ISO that can't do what you want. | 06:56 |
| SirNapkin1334 | ahh | 06:56 |
| SirNapkin1334 | my machine only has 1024MB | 06:56 |
| SirNapkin1334 | so i suppose i will do that | 06:56 |
| SirNapkin1334 | but I looked on the page and i couldn't find a "non-alternate" 32-bit ISO? | 06:56 |
| guiverc | I testing Lubuntu up to and including 19.04 in laptops with 1GB of RAM using standard ISO | 06:56 |
| SirNapkin1334 | considering the machine is 15 years old I figured x64 wouldn't work | 06:56 |
| guiverc | enterprise grade equipment from 20years ago is amd64, only cheap consumer grade still used x86/i386-i686 | 06:57 |
| SirNapkin1334 | pentium m 770 is what it has | 06:58 |
| SirNapkin1334 | aah yeah that's 32 | 06:58 |
| guiverc | pentium M is usually x86 only; early pentium M is i586, later is i686 | 06:58 |
| SirNapkin1334 | may i ask, what do those last two numbers mean? I know i383 == x86, but what do those last two mean? honestly i've never heard of them | 06:59 |
| guiverc | x86_64 is amd64 (64bit; both intel & amd use it; amd created it, intel's was non-x86 compatible thus is dead in the market) | 06:59 |
| guiverc | i386 did mean intel 80386, then i486 is intel 80486, etc.. intel created x86 codes so i=intel. i383=?? typo? | 07:00 |
| SirNapkin1334 | ah yes, typo, sorry, means 386 | 07:00 |
| guiverc | amd created the x86_64 thus it's officially called amd64; many consumers think it won't run on intel amd64 thus x64 | 07:01 |
| guiverc | your issue is ISO you grabbed is an installer only; you can't TRY or use a uninstalled alternate-ISO except to install | 07:02 |
| guiverc | I'd alse ensure you go to the correct site; ie. don't use search engines. lubuntu.me is the official site | 07:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | yeah, i was using the correct site. i just didn't realize there was much of a difference, and since i couldn't find the 32 bit desktop download i assume there wasn't one | 07:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | it's because i looked at the release page that is linked to in some paragraph on the first page | 07:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | which is different from the actual release page | 07:04 |
| guiverc | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.4/release/ to download latest Lubuntu 18.04.4 (x86 compatible) | 07:05 |
| guiverc | (actually it has 18.04.1, .2, .3, .4 or all... i386 & amd64..) | 07:05 |
| SirNapkin1334 | yeah i think i grabbed the right one | 07:07 |
| SirNapkin1334 | "lubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-i386.iso" | 07:07 |
| guiverc | :) | 07:09 |
| guiverc | I used to write ISO to one thumb-drive, then install it to another (achieved persistent but I believe was faster)... but I've not done that in years (took some fiddling to make it work on any system, persistent is usually easier) | 07:10 |
| SirNapkin1334 | what a solution | 07:11 |
| SirNapkin1334 | guiverc: so, i did it all and did the "try lubuntu without installing" but it boots up into CLI mode? how do i make it run the GUI | 07:50 |
| guiverc | I would check your ISO was downloaded perfectly (https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0) and suggest you use the "Check disc for defects" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck) to verify the write to your media.. I'd expect that to work, (just tested on an old ibm t43 thinkpad, 1gb ram) | 07:57 |
| SirNapkin1334 | wait does check disc for defects check the installer usb? | 08:01 |
| SirNapkin1334 | and i verified via sha1, the desktop iso matched that of the site | 08:01 |
| guiverc | :) yep "check disc for defects" checks the install media (not drives you are installing to, the disc refers to a CD/DVD even though most of us thumb-drives now) | 08:02 |
| SirNapkin1334 | ah that explains why it says disc and not disk | 08:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | yeah, it's weird, when I "try" it, it shows the lubuntu gui bootup thing for a split second and then it cuts to shell | 08:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | ash or smth | 08:03 |
| SirNapkin1334 | i tried startx but coudln't find anything graphics related | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | also, ctrl+c doesn't work and exit doesn | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | doesn't work either | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | exit fails the first time and crashes the computer the second time (kernal panic) | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | no errors found wtf | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | should I try to send a video file? | 08:04 |
| SirNapkin1334 | of me doing it | 08:05 |
| guiverc | sorry I don't know (no alternatives come to mind) .. if no-one else offers help here, you can also ask in #ubuntu (can be used by flavors), but currently I'm blank (trouble with graphics doesn't fit what you're describing..) | 08:06 |
| SirNapkin1334 | it has no graphics card as far as i know | 08:07 |
| SirNapkin1334 | only onboard / integrated or smth | 08:07 |
| guiverc | integrated graphics or graphics card roughly the same. (graphics cards are just usually better than integrated) | 08:08 |
| SirNapkin1334 | yeah alright thanks | 08:10 |
| el-x-cutie | Hi there, I am using Lubuntu20.4. I just managed to activate the virtual keyboard. | 12:36 |
| el-x-cutie | It showed a nice icon beneath the clock, to toggle it... | 12:36 |
| el-x-cutie | I deactived it and now I am not able to find it again! | 12:37 |
| el-x-cutie | Can anyone assisCan anyone assist?t? | 12:37 |
| diogenes_ | el-x-cutie, it could be onboard (name of the keyboard). | 12:40 |
| el-x-cutie | thx, but i dont have onboard installed | 12:46 |
| el-x-cutie | I think it had to do with the 'Fcitx' configuration | 12:46 |
| el-x-cutie | but cannot find it anymore | 12:47 |
| diogenes_ | el-x-cutie, maybe florence or vkbd. | 12:50 |
| el-x-cutie | i think they all have to be installed manually. But the one I had there was already pre-installed (very lightweight^^ ) | 12:52 |
| el-x-cutie | it can be configured in "Fctix Configuration" which can be accessed by "Settings" in "Start Menu" | 12:53 |
| el-x-cutie | but where to activate this pre-installed virtual keyboard ... I cannot find it anymore | 12:53 |
| diogenes_ | is it 20.04? | 12:54 |
| diogenes_ | el-x-cutie, ok it's in menu > system tools > Fcitx or simply in terminal run: fcitx | 13:14 |
| el-x-cutie | diogenes thank you!!! | 13:23 |
| el-x-cutie | it works as it should! | 13:23 |
| diogenes_ | el-x-cutie, you're welcome. | 13:25 |
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| JavierSpain | hello | 14:56 |
| Deano59 | how can I create shortcuts via lxqt? like windows button + b opens a browser etc? | 15:30 |
| Deano59 | nvm.... lol | 15:31 |
| old_leather | Hi all | 17:47 |
| old_leather | I have a question about support for older LTS releases. These channels seem quiet, so I'm just going to toss it out there, and hang around to see if anyone replies. | 17:48 |
| old_leather | So, LTS releases of vanilla Ubuntu get five years of support, and flavors get three | 17:50 |
| old_leather | But they all use the same repos | 17:51 |
| old_leather | So say I want to run Lubuntu Bionic | 17:52 |
| lubot | <teward001> the same repository *servers* but different distros/sections of the repositories | 17:52 |
| old_leather | Does that mean that there's an advantage, support-wise, to installing vanilla Ubuntu Bionic and then installing lubuntu-desktop? | 17:52 |
| lubot | <teward001> not really | 17:52 |
| old_leather | Or would I get the same duration of support installing directly from the Lubuntu 18.04.4 image? | 17:52 |
| lubot | <teward001> the lubuntu repos pull from the same repos as the Desktop vanilla repos | 17:52 |
| lubot | <teward001> you'd get the '5 years of support' but only from the Bionic release - you would not get continued *Lubuntu* updates past the Lubuntu support period | 17:53 |
| lubot | <teward001> (which isn't necessarily the same as the LTS 5 year coverage) | 17:53 |
| lubot | <teward001> you'd have the same problem if you install vanilla Ubuntu and then install lubuntu-desktop - the lubuntu packages aren't guaranteed 5 years of support | 17:53 |
| old_leather | so I'd be covered until 2023 for the packages that Lubuntu shares with vanilla Ubuntu, but I'd stop seeing updates for Lubuntu-specific stuff in 2021 | 17:54 |
| lubot | <teward001> correct | 17:54 |
| old_leather | Okay, thanks! | 17:55 |
| lubot | <teward001> unless someone makes a push to fix an issue in the Lubuntu pckages but beyond the standard coverage for Lubuntu support in the LTS release, there's no guarantee of ongoing updates | 17:58 |
| old_leather | I'm mainly just trying to keep a 32-bit laptop useful for a while, mostly as a project machine | 18:03 |
| lubot | <teward001> ah, well you have until 2023 to replace it | 18:09 |
| lubot | <teward001> because after 2023 you are out of upgrade options - no 32bit support anymore | 18:09 |
| old_leather | I'm already looking for options outside the Ubuntu ecosystem | 18:14 |
| old_leather | But I've enjoyed using Lubuntu in the past, and would like to keep using it for as long as possible | 18:15 |
| old_leather | Well, off to do that install | 18:20 |
| old_leather | Clean things up a bit ;) | 18:20 |
| old_leather | Thanks again | 18:20 |
| robert_ | hello | 22:13 |
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