[00:13] <guiverc> Lubuntu uses full disk encryption, so less code is available than other non-full disk (/boot unencrypted for example) is why control is limited... but sorry I don't know of any @Davd Heinrich
 @David Heinrich [I installed Lubuntu with full disk encryption so it asks for pw on boot. Is ther …], I would err on the side of "no" - none of the FDE solutions that come with Lubuntu or Linux in general give you the option to reveal the password you're typing.
[06:49] <SirNapkin1334> hello, how can I create a live usb with persistent storage? I used rufus and ticked the "persistent storage" and set it to as much as I could (13GB on a 16GB usb), however, the lubuntu installer has no "try lubuntu" option. have I done something wrong?
[06:50] <SirNapkin1334> and before you tell me to install it proper, the laptop has no internal hard disk. so no.
[06:50] <SirNapkin1334> and I don't have any external disks that I can use currently.
[06:52] <SirNapkin1334> there are 5 options: "Install Lubuntu"; "Check disc for defects"; "Test memory"; "Boot from first hard disk"; "Rescue a broken system"
[06:53] <guiverc> SirNapkin1334, I've only used `mkusb` to create persistent thumb drives - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/
[06:53] <SirNapkin1334> thank you i will take a look at that!
[06:54] <guiverc> SirNapkin1334, what release of Lubuntu; later releases say "Start Lubuntu" not "Try"
[06:54] <guiverc> The manual section for installing Lubuntu is https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html  (it'll assume 20.04 LTS)
[06:54] <SirNapkin1334> the file I downloaded it called "lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso" - so 18.06-alternate
[06:55] <SirNapkin1334> yes, but I wish to create a live persistent usb, not install it proper (i'm sort of unable to do that)
[06:55] <SirNapkin1334> unless you can point me to an incredibly cheap external disk, live persistent usb drive is going to be my only option
[06:55] <guiverc> the alternate ISO is for 768MB machines or less; it has fewer options, no LIVE mode so no try/start - it's an installer only (to fit in <768MB)
[06:56] <guiverc> you've got an ISO that can't do what you want.
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> ahh
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> my machine only has 1024MB
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> so i suppose i will do that
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> but I looked on the page and i couldn't find a "non-alternate" 32-bit ISO?
[06:56] <guiverc> I testing Lubuntu up to and including 19.04 in laptops with 1GB of RAM using standard ISO
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> considering the machine is 15 years old I figured x64 wouldn't work
[06:57] <guiverc> enterprise grade equipment from 20years ago is amd64, only cheap consumer grade still used x86/i386-i686
[06:58] <SirNapkin1334> pentium m 770 is what it has
[06:58] <SirNapkin1334> aah yeah that's 32
[06:58] <guiverc> pentium M is usually x86 only; early pentium M is i586, later is i686
[06:59] <SirNapkin1334> may i ask, what do those last two numbers mean? I know i383 == x86, but what do those last two mean? honestly i've never heard of them
[06:59] <guiverc> x86_64 is amd64 (64bit; both intel & amd use it; amd created it, intel's was non-x86 compatible thus is dead in the market)
[07:00] <guiverc> i386 did mean intel 80386, then i486 is intel 80486, etc.. intel created x86 codes so i=intel. i383=?? typo?
[07:00] <SirNapkin1334> ah yes, typo, sorry, means 386
[07:01] <guiverc> amd created the x86_64 thus it's officially called amd64; many consumers think it won't run on intel amd64 thus x64
[07:02] <guiverc> your issue is ISO you grabbed is an installer only; you can't TRY or use a uninstalled alternate-ISO except to install
[07:03] <guiverc> I'd alse ensure you go to the correct site; ie. don't use search engines. lubuntu.me is the official site
[07:03] <SirNapkin1334> yeah, i was using the correct site. i just didn't realize there was much of a difference, and since i couldn't find the 32 bit desktop download i assume there wasn't one
[07:03] <SirNapkin1334> it's because i looked at the release page that is linked to in some paragraph on the first page
[07:04] <SirNapkin1334> which is different from the actual release page
[07:05] <guiverc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.4/release/ to download latest Lubuntu 18.04.4  (x86 compatible)
[07:05] <guiverc> (actually it has 18.04.1, .2, .3, .4 or all... i386 & amd64..)
[07:07] <SirNapkin1334> yeah i think i grabbed the right one
[07:07] <SirNapkin1334> "lubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-i386.iso"
[07:09] <guiverc> :)
[07:10] <guiverc> I used to write ISO to one thumb-drive, then install it to another (achieved persistent but I believe was faster)... but I've not done that in years  (took some fiddling to make it work on any system, persistent is usually easier)
[07:11] <SirNapkin1334> what a solution
[07:50] <SirNapkin1334> guiverc: so, i did it all and did the "try lubuntu without installing" but it boots up into CLI mode?  how do i make it run the GUI
[07:57] <guiverc> I would check your ISO was downloaded perfectly (https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0) and suggest you use the "Check disc for defects" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck) to verify the write to your media.. I'd expect that to work, (just tested on an old ibm t43 thinkpad, 1gb ram)
[08:01] <SirNapkin1334> wait does check disc for defects check the installer usb?
[08:01] <SirNapkin1334> and i verified via sha1, the desktop iso matched that of the site
[08:02] <guiverc> :)  yep "check disc for defects" checks the install media (not drives you are installing to, the disc refers to a CD/DVD even though most of us thumb-drives now)
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> ah that explains why it says disc and not disk
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> yeah, it's weird, when I "try" it, it shows the lubuntu gui bootup thing for a split second and then it cuts to shell
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> ash or smth
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> i tried startx but coudln't find anything graphics related
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> also, ctrl+c doesn't work and exit doesn
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> doesn't work either
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> exit fails the first time and crashes the computer the second time (kernal panic)
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> no errors found wtf
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> should I try to send a video file?
[08:05] <SirNapkin1334> of me doing it
[08:06] <guiverc> sorry I don't know (no alternatives come to mind) .. if no-one else offers help here, you can also ask in #ubuntu (can be used by flavors), but currently I'm blank (trouble with graphics doesn't fit what you're describing..)
[08:07] <SirNapkin1334> it has no graphics card as far as i know
[08:07] <SirNapkin1334> only onboard / integrated or smth
[08:08] <guiverc> integrated graphics or graphics card roughly the same.  (graphics cards are just usually better than integrated)
[08:10] <SirNapkin1334> yeah alright thanks
[12:36] <el-x-cutie> Hi there, I am using Lubuntu20.4. I  just managed to activate the virtual keyboard.
[12:36] <el-x-cutie> It showed a nice icon beneath the clock, to toggle it...
[12:37] <el-x-cutie> I deactived it and now I am not able to find it again!
[12:37] <el-x-cutie> Can anyone assisCan anyone assist?t?
[12:40] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, it could be onboard (name of the keyboard).
[12:46] <el-x-cutie> thx, but i dont have onboard installed
[12:46] <el-x-cutie> I think it had to do with the 'Fcitx' configuration
[12:47] <el-x-cutie> but cannot find it anymore
[12:50] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, maybe florence or vkbd.
[12:52] <el-x-cutie> i think they all have to be installed manually. But the one I had there was already pre-installed (very lightweight^^ )
[12:53] <el-x-cutie> it can be configured in "Fctix Configuration" which can be accessed by "Settings" in "Start Menu"
[12:53] <el-x-cutie> but where to activate this pre-installed virtual keyboard ... I cannot find it anymore
[12:54] <diogenes_> is it 20.04?
[13:14] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, ok it's in menu > system tools > Fcitx or simply in terminal run: fcitx
[13:23] <el-x-cutie> diogenes thank you!!!
[13:23] <el-x-cutie> it works as it should!
[13:25] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, you're welcome.
[14:56] <JavierSpain> hello
[15:30] <Deano59> how can I create shortcuts via lxqt? like windows button + b opens a browser etc?
[15:31] <Deano59> nvm.... lol
[17:47] <old_leather> Hi all
[17:48] <old_leather> I have a question about support for older LTS releases.  These channels seem quiet, so I'm just going to toss it out there, and hang around to see if anyone replies.
[17:50] <old_leather> So, LTS releases of vanilla Ubuntu get five years of support, and flavors get three
[17:51] <old_leather> But they all use the same repos
[17:52] <old_leather> So say I want to run Lubuntu Bionic
 the same repository *servers* but different distros/sections of the repositories
[17:52] <old_leather> Does that mean that there's an advantage, support-wise, to installing vanilla Ubuntu Bionic and then installing lubuntu-desktop?
 not really
[17:52] <old_leather> Or would I get the same duration of support installing directly from the Lubuntu 18.04.4 image?
 the lubuntu repos pull from the same repos as the Desktop vanilla repos
 you'd get the '5 years of support' but only from the Bionic release - you would not get continued *Lubuntu* updates past the Lubuntu support period
 (which isn't necessarily the same as the LTS 5 year coverage)
 you'd have the same problem if you install vanilla Ubuntu and then install lubuntu-desktop - the lubuntu packages aren't guaranteed 5 years of support
[17:54] <old_leather> so I'd be covered until 2023 for the packages that Lubuntu shares with vanilla Ubuntu, but I'd stop seeing updates for Lubuntu-specific stuff in 2021
 correct
[17:55] <old_leather> Okay, thanks!
 unless someone makes a push to fix an issue in the Lubuntu pckages but beyond the standard coverage for Lubuntu support in the LTS release, there's no guarantee of ongoing updates
[18:03] <old_leather> I'm mainly just trying to keep a 32-bit laptop useful for a while, mostly as a project machine
 ah, well you have until 2023 to replace it
 because after 2023 you are out of upgrade options - no 32bit support anymore
[18:14] <old_leather> I'm already looking for options outside the Ubuntu ecosystem
[18:15] <old_leather> But I've enjoyed using Lubuntu in the past, and would like to keep using it for as long as possible
[18:20] <old_leather> Well, off to do that install
[18:20] <old_leather> Clean things up a bit ;)
[18:20] <old_leather> Thanks again
[22:13] <robert_> hello