[08:45] <jphilips> any particular reasons Unit193
[08:45] <jphilips> we could like to the magnetic link or a .torrent file hosted on xubuntu.org
[08:49] <Unit193> Because at the end of the day, it's not really official, it's still a "community build" so a mention in the notes seems fine, but a link on the download page seems a bit too official, at least to me.
[09:00] <jphilips> what would it take to make it official?
[10:17] <bluesabre> I am so sorry for the amount of bug mail many of you just received :)
[16:26] <jphilips> bluesabre: might have been good to have a link from each launchpad bug to the github issue
[16:27] <bluesabre> jphilips: it's there, on the right
[16:27] <bluesabre> and at the top
[16:27] <jphilips> see it on the right but not at the top
[16:28] <bluesabre> Which bug?
[16:28] <jphilips> https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1877645
[16:28] <jphilips> https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1882619
[16:28] <bluesabre> It's linked in the Assigned to column
[16:28] <jphilips> oh okay. thought it would be text somewhere more visible :D
[16:29] <bluesabre> Yeah, nice feature in LP, not quite as nice presentation
[16:29] <bluesabre> :)
[16:29] <jphilips> adding a comment with the link like how xfce did with bugzilla is the easiest thing to spot :D
[16:29] <bluesabre> Requires a lot more work
[16:30] <bluesabre> (Wasn't an automated process, connecting all of those on the LP side)
[16:30] <jphilips> definitely wouldnt want you to do it if it required alot of work.
[16:31] <jphilips> so has bug reporting on menulibre on launchpad been closed?
[16:31] <bluesabre> It can still be reported against the ubuntu package
[16:31] <bluesabre> But the main issue tracker is on GitHub now
[16:31] <bluesabre> Since it's not a xubuntu-specific project/package
[16:34] <jphilips> is lightdm not already translated?
[16:34] <bluesabre> Not fully
[16:34] <bluesabre> Translations in LP have been really slow the last few years
[16:35] <jphilips> so the translation on xubuntu's transifex is not limited to just xubuntu then
[16:36] <bluesabre> Xubuntu is effectively the maintainer for lightdm-gtk-greeter, and it's a core app
[16:36] <jphilips> working on our list of default apps by comparing it with windows and other linux distros - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiVcXNSfiDkwIIonz5WyBFAcTkg-hw7iIVzDH6_gsME/edit#gid=0
[16:51] <jphilips> which flavors/distros are using lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[16:52] <bluesabre> Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu Mate, Fedora Xfce (I think), Debian Xfce
[16:52] <bluesabre> It's pretty widely used
[17:00] <jphilips> okay let me put out a call for contributors and CC those distros in it :D
[18:12] <Unit193> ...I'd really prefer actual reasoning rather than "But they're doing it", what do *we* need and what do *our* users want, not what does Manjaro's users want (because Manjaro is better at being Manjaro than we are, obviously.)
[18:32] <jphilips> you can find some of my reasoning for the ones proposed in the ML here - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html
[18:34] <jphilips> community feedback on social media has also been pulled for some things like for whether a gui package manager is useful - https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1245327919825801217
[18:37] <Unit193> That's what gnome-software claims to be.
[18:40] <Unit193> Last time someone brought up Synaptic, snap support and how well it was maintained were both brought up.  I'd still say it works better than the center, but that's just me. :P
[18:45] <jphilips> synaptic works alot better than center, maybe not for easy discoverability of apps, but definitely for management.
[18:46] <jphilips> from the distros listed, only xubuntu uses gnome software, all the rest use something else
[18:46] <jphilips> :D
[18:47] <Unit193> That's not interesting, what would be interesting is which Ubuntu flavors use it, or another center.
[18:47] <jphilips> ubuntu uses snap store, ubuntu mate uses boutique, kubuntu uses discover
[18:48] <jphilips> not sure what lubuntu and the newer flavors use
[18:48] <Unit193> Moun, for KDE IIRC.
[18:49] <jphilips> moun is the package manager not the software center
[18:49] <Unit193> Seems nothing seeds synaptic.
[18:51] <Unit193> Pros: It actually works, it doesn't randomly turn into a snap.  Cons: It isn't the most user friendly, if it breaks nobody but us has to care, no snap support.
[18:54] <jphilips> would assume if you installed chromium it would still install the snap
[18:55] <jphilips> those who want user friendly go for software center, those who want more control go with synaptic
[18:56] <jphilips> bluesabre: ubuntu mate doesn't seem to be using lightdm gtk greeter
[18:57] <bluesabre> Based that on `apt-cache rdepends`, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2nrDY6f7YH/
[18:58] <bluesabre> Yes, chromium would still install the snap, because there is no deb-packaged chromium in ubuntu
[19:00] <jphilips> bluesabre: ubuntu has mahjong installed by default ;)
[20:05] <jphilips> seems mate and budgie use the slick-greeter
[20:05] <jphilips> budgie uses gnome software
[23:04] <jphilips> have others seen this before, that thunar and a few other xfce apps have no icons in software - https://imgur.com/weyehGM.png
[23:06] <jphilips> guess it must be the same no icon bug reported before the release. seems it still hasn't been fixed
[23:25] <jphilips> anyone know what the green 1 in the installed tab means