| MarkMaglana | jam: thanks for commenting on the Existing Tools section! Very good comments. Helps with thinking about and evaluating possible solutions. | 05:18 |
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| jam | MarkMaglana, happy to. I think we're also very invested in recommendations for how to get the dependencies into the charm and into the deployment | 05:19 |
| jam | MarkMaglana, I should mention that the current plans are looking to have a build step for charms that can be run on a Launchpad build farm (like snaps and debs) so that charms end up series/architecture specific for deployment. | 05:20 |
| jam | We've tried to avoid that in Juju for a long time, but it is just a practical matter that charms depend on python extensions | 05:20 |
| jam | (even PyYAML uses libyaml) | 05:20 |
| jam | note that the charm store and Juju don't currently support looking up charms by series+architecture so a lot of that ends up in 'room for growth' | 05:21 |
| MarkMaglana | jam is this build step plan documented anywhere? I'm curious and would like to reference that in my document. | 05:33 |
| davigar15 | Hey jam! | 07:33 |
| davigar15 | Ian Booth told me that the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1882127 is fixed in 2.7/edge | 07:34 |
| jam | davigar15, well, it now properly reports an error rather than a nil panic, we still need to understand what the underlying error is | 07:35 |
| davigar15 | jam: okay! great! I will investigate if I have time. Let me know if you find out anything | 07:36 |
| davigar15 | have a nice day :-) | 07:36 |
| jam | davigar15, you too | 07:38 |
| Chipaca | good morning people! | 08:13 |
| Chipaca | jam: should I tell people to give #323 a try if they're interested in it? | 08:52 |
| mup | PR #323: 317 state get <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/323> | 08:52 |
| jam | It isn't wired up yet, so I still need to do a bit | 08:52 |
| jam | morning Chipaca | 08:52 |
| Chipaca | jam: ok, i'll just mention it's a WIP and on target for 0.7 then :) | 08:52 |
| vgrevtsev | hi jam - any chance you can take a one more look into the https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/328? Still have no idea what could be wrong :/ | 08:58 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, is src/charm.py executable and have the right #! line? | 09:05 |
| jam | maybe python isn't found at the path you expect inside the application container? | 09:06 |
| jam | replied to the bug | 09:07 |
| vgrevtsev | jam: yes it's exec-able, the charm itself is running fine | 09:11 |
| Chipaca | vgrevtsev: do you get debug logs? | 09:15 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, that is running in the operator pod, while the actions run in the application pod | 09:22 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, different python | 09:22 |
| Chipaca | jam: but the charm ran in the application pod as well, otherwise what created the symlink | 09:22 |
| vgrevtsev | jam: yeah but it didn't raise the bad interpreter or smth similar | 09:23 |
| jam | Chipaca, juju when it copies the charm directory from the operator pod to the application pod during init | 09:23 |
| Chipaca | ahhh | 09:23 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, $ ./foo | 09:24 |
| jam | bash: ./foo: /bin/ash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 09:24 |
| jam | that does say "No such file or directory" | 09:24 |
| vgrevtsev | but it also says "bad intepreter" | 09:24 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, yeah, and there is some sort of python that is trying to exec the script | 09:24 |
| vgrevtsev | well wait | 09:25 |
| vgrevtsev | i think i found smth | 09:26 |
| vgrevtsev | `/bin/sh: /usr/bin/env: not found` | 09:26 |
| vgrevtsev | (in the app container) | 09:26 |
| vgrevtsev | while my `charm.py` has `#!/usr/bin/env python3` | 09:26 |
| Chipaca | hehe | 09:34 |
| Chipaca | /usr/bin/env bites again | 09:34 |
| Chipaca | (this wrt: people doing '/usr/bin/env bash' to make things more portable --- despite env being in /usr/bin less frequently than bash is) | 09:34 |
| Chipaca | s/(?<=than bash is)/ in \/bin/ | 09:35 |
| vgrevtsev | yeah, and here is another problem: my app container doesn't have python installed :\ | 09:36 |
| vgrevtsev | so that basically means that I can't run actions against it | 09:36 |
| Chipaca | yeah | 09:36 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, you can write non-python actions, it depends what you want them to do | 09:37 |
| vgrevtsev | true | 09:43 |
| vgrevtsev | just wondering why the actions are executed at the app pod but charm itself runs on the operator pod? | 09:43 |
| Chipaca | vgrevtsev: I think there's an ongoing conversation about that | 09:44 |
| Chipaca | or a few actually? | 09:44 |
| Chipaca | seems a lot more work needs to be done still | 09:44 |
| Chipaca | mostly juju-side aiui | 09:44 |
| jam | vgrevtsev, a lot of it depends on what you want out of an action. many types of actions require running with the appliaction (eg, backup the database) | 09:45 |
| Chipaca | BTW, PROMPT_COMMAND='printf "⏎%$((COLUMNS-1))s\\r"' FTW | 10:32 |
| Chipaca | jam: in zookeeper_cluster, am i reading it right that it uses both framework.model.get_relation(...) and framework.relations[...] for the same relation, despite the usage of the first meaning that any checks on the length of the second are spurious? | 10:55 |
| Chipaca | because get_relation raises an exception if it's not unique | 10:56 |
| jam | Chipaca, meeting? | 11:01 |
| Chipaca | jam: another one? | 11:59 |
| Chipaca | oh wait | 11:59 |
| jam | Chipaca, https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/327 needs your review | 12:00 |
| mup | PR #327: many: move Model.name to be read from _ModelBackend <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/327> | 12:00 |
| * Chipaca gets out the red pen | 12:00 | |
| jam | Chipaca, 'oh wait' ? | 12:01 |
| jam | Chipaca, if you can find a way to get your red pen marks online, I'm all for it | 12:01 |
| Chipaca | jam: saw your 'meeting?' message _after_ the meeting :) | 12:01 |
| Chipaca | stub: filed #329 | 12:03 |
| mup | Issue #329: dependencies <enhancement> <🧠 big brain> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/329> | 12:03 |
| mup | Issue operator#329 opened: dependencies <enhancement> <🧠 big brain> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/329> | 12:03 |
| Chipaca | jam: i'd actually gotten half way through reviewing that on Friday | 12:04 |
| Chipaca | I lie | 12:04 |
| Chipaca | Thursday | 12:04 |
| jam | Chipaca, I can imagine it was "I reviewed it but didn't hit send" | 12:04 |
| Chipaca | i hadn't gotten to the bottom :) | 12:05 |
| mup | Issue operator#223 closed: Operator fails on Juju 2.7.0 and below <bug> <Created by chris-sanders> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/223> | 12:08 |
| mup | PR operator#324 closed: model: don't use --app for relation-get/-set before 2.7.0 <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/324> | 12:08 |
| mup | PR operator#326 closed: make abc TestMain private to help pytest <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/326> | 12:08 |
| * Chipaca stepping out for 30' | 12:26 | |
| mup | Issue operator#328 closed: k8s charm throws a "not found" error when invoking the action <Created by exceptorr> <Closed by exceptorr> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/328> | 12:33 |
| Chipaca | jam: i'll be along as soon as i've figured out why i have a conflicting meeting | 13:00 |
| jam | ok | 13:00 |
| jam | Chipaca, so far nobody else is here | 13:02 |
| * Chipaca gives up | 16:37 | |
| Chipaca | slightly early EOD from me | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | ttfn! might pop in later, but i'll go run now | 16:38 |
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