[00:18] <SomethingGeneric> Since presumably most of y'all here use Ubuntu, or some Linux, what clients do y'all use for IRC?
[00:18] <JOhNKmus> HexChat
[00:19] <sarnold> irssi; my config has grown over many years and now it's a bit brittle, I keep thinking I'll try weechat one of these days
[00:22] <matsaman> SomethingGeneric: and now is the perfect time to say that I used to use XChat(/HexChat) but switched to irssi
[00:22] <matsaman> for a long time I had both, because IRC is great to have if X is broken
[00:22] <matsaman> but ultimately I prefer terminal-based IRC clients now, probably mostly because of readline shortcuts
[00:22] <matsaman> which I use heavily in all text-based things
[00:22] <matsaman> https://readline.kablamo.org/emacs.html
[00:23] <matsaman> (just the first link I found, nothing in particular to do with Emacs AFAIK)
[01:16] <cluelessperson> I don't know what to do
[01:16] <cluelessperson> I keep running into issues with ubuntu
[01:16] <cluelessperson> this time the login screen was completely unresponsive
[01:17] <matsaman> cluelessperson: after a fresh boot? Resume? Or?
[01:17] <cluelessperson> Then I power cycled
[01:17] <cluelessperson> matsaman, no, just at lock screen.
[01:17] <cluelessperson> then I power cycled, rebooted, and again it's unresponsive, at the desktop
[01:18] <matsaman> hrmmm
[01:18] <matsaman> sounds kinda like dbus isn't running
[01:19] <cluelessperson> matsaman, what makes you think so?
[01:20] <sarnold> cluelessperson: can you hit control+alt+f1 or control+alt+f2 etc to swap virtual consoles?
[01:20] <cluelessperson> sarnold, Yes, so I feel dumb for power cycling, but I was frustrated and I'm not running anything particularly sensitive.
[01:21] <sarnold> cluelessperson: login at one of those, and look through journalctl output -- you might be able to spot something funny
[01:21] <sarnold> you could also try journalctl -f  and then try logging in via the gui to see if new messages are printed
[01:21] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I occassionally review my syslog and nothing appears out of the ordinary
[01:22] <cluelessperson> sarnold, there's too much noise honestly
[01:24] <k90ghost> which version are u using cluelessperson?
[01:25] <cluelessperson> Ubuntu 19.10
[01:25] <cluelessperson> Linux ztab 5.3.0-59-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 3 15:52:15 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:28] <k90ghost> do you have any particular GPU card?
[01:29] <cluelessperson> k90ghost, Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8265U CPU @ 1.60GHz and whatever integrated graphics
[01:30] <k90ghost> the crappy intel one, ok
[01:34] <k90ghost> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/01/login-loop-auto-login-enabled-in-ubuntu-19-10-with-nvidia-driver/
[01:34] <k90ghost> please check if issue is related...
[01:36] <k90ghost> or here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1183299/cant-log-in-to-ubuntu-19-10-freezes-upon-ctrlaltf3
[01:45] <aum> thanks guys, I went with 20.03-desktop for my server and opted for minimal apps.
[01:46] <aum> Loving the ZFS on boot. Great to be able to share the SSD pool with the LXC instances I'll be creating later
[01:56] <mason> aum: You can also do stuff like use zvols to back libvirt VMs.
[01:56] <mason> Alright, bedtimeish.
[01:58] <aum> I've become pretty fond of LXD/LXC, and have some dev and production websites running with it. But Docker has a much bigger fan base. Would there be any serious downsides to staging docker containers inside LXC instances?
[01:59] <leftyfb> aum: docker works from within lxd. You might be better served in #lxcontainers though.
[01:59] <aum> ok
[02:21] <bitByter> I just instaled 20.04 and love it. It got stuck in the last "Installation Successful" splash screen and locked. Had to pull the battery to shut down. Since then speed is very fast. I am loving 20.04.
[02:22] <bitByter> had 18.04 and it was just an operating system . . looked crappy. slow. I did a bog stock factory install with 18.04.
[02:24] <bitByter> with 20.04 set my own partitions and gave swap x3 virtual mem. This thing is a jet using the same haedware.
[02:26] <bitByter> thank you mr ubuntu
[03:16] <analogical> is sshfs supported on WSL2 ?
[03:17] <tonyt> might want to ask that in the windows channel instead
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin
[03:17] <matsaman> analogical: https://code.google.com/archive/p/win-sshfs/
[03:18] <analogical> I'm using ubuntu 20.04 on WSL2
[03:18] <analogical> matsaman, wtf you're here too?
[03:18] <matsaman> literally everywhere
[03:21] <analogical> when I use sshfs in ubuntu 20.04 on WSL2 I get an error message "fuse: device not found"
[03:22] <matsaman> pretty sure no version of WSL supports FUSE
[03:23] <matsaman> analogical: if you use the app I linked, though, or one like it, you can get it working
[03:23] <matsaman> will be a slightly different workflow
[03:29] <analogical> Now that WSL 2 includes its own Linux kernel it has full system call compatibility. This introduces a whole new set of apps that you can run inside of WSL. Some exciting examples are the Linux version of Docker, as well as FUSE!
[03:29] <analogical> that's from microsoft ^
[03:50] <matsaman> analogical: pretty suspicious nobody in the comments says "weee sshfs!"
[03:51] <matsaman> analogical: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel/issues/58
[03:52] <analogical> matsaman, yeah those clowns don't know wtf they're doing
[03:52] <matsaman> sure they do
[03:52] <matsaman> they're just liars
[03:52] <analogical> microsoft?
[03:52] <matsaman> eyup
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> use the channel provided in the factoid please
[03:53] <analogical> why would they lie about something that's so easily disproven?
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> this channel is for ubuntu support matsaman analogical
[03:53] <analogical> lotuspsychje, my question was about ubuntu on wsl2
[05:29] <xbfrog> i'm running ubuntu 20.04 its fully updated so is my other laptop running ubuntu 20.04. Now i have an intresting development. Both laptops use to display all applications on more than one screen. but just recently that has stopped. Now i get only one screen  under the "all" setting and only apps A thru K
[05:31] <xbfrog> the other apps are still installed. if i do a search at the top it will show it then but thats it
[05:32] <xbfrog> whats odd is both laptops show the same
[05:50] <OnceMe> does ubuntu support uefi?
[05:50] <guiverc> OnceMe, yes
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !uefi
[05:51] <OnceMe> so even if my ssd/hdd is tampered with malware bootloader, it wont actually load, as long as I have UEFI enabled in bios?
[05:52] <matsaman> OnceMe: there are some arguments that have been made that UEFI solves certain security issues, sure
[05:52] <matsaman> pretty sure they're basically all irrelevant, but they've been made
[05:53] <xbfrog> i found ito be a pain in the gazoo when trying to install wifi drivers from realtec
[05:53] <guiverc> OnceMe, nothing is perfect..   (if they have physical access to your box, your security sucks)
[05:53] <OnceMe> matsaman: why irrelevant
[05:53] <matsaman> xbfrog: UEFI?
[05:53] <xbfrog> yes
[05:54] <OnceMe> guiverc: well you had to buy ssd from somewhere right?
[05:54] <matsaman> OnceMe: because UEFI is honestly more of a power grab than a solution to any of the problems people say it's for
[05:54]  * guiverc apologies for my poor choice in language
[05:54] <matsaman> it's more political than scientific
[05:54] <matsaman> doesn't matter, we're stuck with it, largely, for this time
[05:54] <OnceMe> what if store adds their own firmware and bootloader? :D
[05:54] <OnceMe> thats why UEFI is cool
[05:54] <xbfrog> actually it was secure boot in uefi causing the issue
[05:54] <matsaman> the store? Can add anything they want
[05:54] <OnceMe> unless they somehow managed to get signed bootloader from microsof
[05:55] <matsaman> they can add a module on the mobo that installs whatever it wants after a delay
[05:55] <matsaman> physical access is everything, and UEFI doesn't change that
[05:55] <OnceMe> yeah I would see that
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> keep it ontopic please
[05:55] <OnceMe> without bootloader I dont see how they can do this
[05:55] <OnceMe> LVM/LUKS + UEFI gives you some peace from thid party malicious vendors
[05:56] <xbfrog> uefi does allow for larger hard drives to be used it basicly eliminates the bios restriction
[05:56] <matsaman> encryption doesn't really protect you from what a retailer might do to hardware before you get it
[05:56] <matsaman> xbfrog: no, that's GPT
[05:56] <matsaman> and also you can do that without GPT
[05:57] <matsaman> but sure, a lot of people only use UEFI, GPT, and large hard drives all together
[05:57] <xbfrog> ah
[05:57] <OnceMe> matsaman: well thats in theory, but you would eventually notice shit on your ssd, plus its hard to read data if uefi + encrypted disk is in use
[05:57] <OnceMe> I dont see hwo they can add malware/inject code to track you?
[05:57] <matsaman> OnceMe: why would you notice it?
[05:57] <matsaman> if you used something like AIDE you might
[05:58] <matsaman> but there's no reason you'd notice something you weren't even looking out for
[05:58] <matsaman> UEFI doesn't really help you use something like AIDE
[05:58] <matsaman> OnceMe: it's mostly theoretical anyway, vendors aren't super motivated to screw with their paying customers
[05:58] <OnceMe> yeah what if you order from a small store?
[05:59] <OnceMe> probably they are also not motivated either
[05:59] <OnceMe> but still in any case you have a risk factor
[05:59] <matsaman> have you even ever heard of a store having done that?
[06:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have a whole channel for non-support chatter at #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to join. Other than that, please keep it support only in here. :)
[06:01] <OnceMe> matsaman: not really, no
[06:01] <OnceMe> ok
[06:01] <OnceMe> but matsaman is not there :D
[06:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Uh, you can both join.
[06:02] <matsaman> not so far aware of a reason to pay much attention to Eickmeyer[m] or lotuspsychje
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> ..
[06:02] <matsaman> feel free to provide one
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | matsaman here's a few reasons
[06:03] <matsaman> lotuspsychje: seems like a lot of work to read, can you mention the relevant one?
[06:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> matsaman: How about the freenode rule of keeping on the topic of the channel? /topic if you're not clear on that.
[06:04] <matsaman> "OnceMe> does ubuntu support uefi?"
[06:04] <matsaman> I think we're doing okay
[06:04] <matsaman> you two on the other hand are just blathering about nothing to do with even Linux
[06:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> When it derails from that, it's no longer on that topic, so keep it to that please.
[06:05] <matsaman> I will continue to stick to the topic, sure
[06:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Thanks. :)
[06:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> matsaman: Also, please be more respectful, I was only extending an invitation.
[06:07] <matsaman> I haven't been disrespectful as far as I know
[06:07] <matsaman> and I don't remember you inviting me anywhere
[06:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> It was a general invitation to anyone. :)
[06:08] <matsaman> you stated there was a channel if we wanted to join
[06:08] <matsaman> uhuh
[06:16] <OnceMe> matsaman: so which module you were talking about which will not help me with UEFI enabled?
[06:17] <OnceMe> how would they be able to read my data from ubuntu? when I have encrypted ssd + using https/ssl/ssh
[06:18] <matsaman> read your data on your ssd?
[06:19] <matsaman> if the system is networked, nothing has changed on that front: if you download or run the wrong thing, or let the wrong thing become out of date or vulnerable, you have the same problem
[06:19] <OnceMe> yes
[06:19] <matsaman> with physical access there is also nothing changed: anybody with half a clue and physical access can obtain complete access to your system
[06:19] <OnceMe> but Im speaking aboout vendor attack, so I'm receiving a ssd in a shipment
[06:19] <matsaman> luckily most of us do not have such motivated and informed villains stalking our physical installations
[06:19] <OnceMe> after that no physical access will be present for this ssd
[06:20] <matsaman> vendor attack
[06:20] <OnceMe> and I will install system on UEFI + LUKS
[06:20] <matsaman> even if you get an ssd and overwrite it with zeroes before using it
[06:20] <matsaman> do you really even know what's inside the device?
[06:20] <matsaman> are you going to open it up and see what's there?
[06:20] <matsaman> it could be literally anything
[06:21] <matsaman> say you order a 128GB SSD
[06:21] <OnceMe> that is true, but for example what?
[06:21] <matsaman> you could get a chassis, a _tiny_ 128GB microsd card, a weight to make it feel right, and a ton of evil hardware
[06:21] <matsaman> I don't know, it's pointless conjecture
[06:21] <matsaman> point is UEFI doesn't protect you from it
[06:22] <OnceMe> but it does until some point
[06:22] <OnceMe> I can ensure I have secure bootloader and my own trusted kernels, whatever inside of ssd cannot read data and send to person X
[06:22] <matsaman> I don't think so, but neither of us are likely to get to test our theories in the real world
[06:22] <OnceMe> they can put some eavesdropping hardware etc
[06:22] <matsaman> yup
[06:23] <OnceMe> but thats also possible in any other hardware stores + they would need internet to relay info
[06:23] <OnceMe> its much harder and not that efficient
[06:24] <matsaman> it wasn't particularly easy or efficient with BIOS, either
[06:24] <matsaman> it's still doable with either
[06:25] <OnceMe> in theory yes
[06:25] <matsaman> yup
[06:25] <OnceMe> but if this guy has all this techniques, he wouldnt be selling hardware gadgets and would probably work for some IT security firm
[06:28] <OnceMe> UEFI makes me feel much safer from disk tampering
[06:28] <OnceMe> what if I want to create ubuntu fork? I would probably not have a signed cert for UEFI?
[06:33] <matsaman> you can use UEFI with any GNU/Linux, if that's what you're asking
[06:35] <matsaman> OnceMe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot_criticism
[06:35] <OnceMe> how does this protect me from custom bootloader malware?
[06:37] <matsaman> it doesn't, it helps you understand that UEFI doesn't much help you with that
[06:41] <no-n> I
[06:41] <no-n> hi, I knocked my cord outta my laptop and it flew across the room :). how do I check the drive or is that done on startup?
[06:42] <JimBuntu> no-n:  no need, that's done by default
[06:42] <no-n> ok thought so, just checking
[06:42] <JimBuntu> +1
[06:42] <no-n> thanks
[06:43] <JimBuntu> You are welcome.
[06:43] <JimBuntu> now, if your system was living off external power... and it was a laptop.. please talk to #hardware about a battery replacement no-n :)
[06:44] <no-n> yes!
[06:44] <no-n> my battery is dead :)
[06:44] <JimBuntu> farte well friend, fare well.
[06:44] <OnceMe> matsaman: well it helps with some custom bootloader
[06:44] <OnceMe> your bootload needs to be signed by MS
[06:44] <OnceMe> while most of linux/unix os are signed, you cannot just roll your own version and expect it to work on UEFI
[06:44] <OnceMe> on bios it will work, but not on UEFI
[06:54] <vlt> Hello. From `rsync --chmod=666 file_a file_b` I expected to get a file_b with persmissions 666 but got 644. Any idea why?
[08:10] <OnceMe> also I have two ssd's, I can basically use full LVM on one ssd where only ubuntu will be, and bitcrypt on a windows?
[08:10] <OnceMe> bitlocker*
[08:22] <evlute1> hi
[08:23] <evlute1> i need a mirror so i created one with aptly. Now i'm missing this folder /dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/ - how do i tell aptly to get this stuff too?
[09:10] <Darzn> Hello,I install 20.04  as dual OS (beside Win10), but can’t start normal work because drivers of integrated graphics (Intel UHD 630 in i5-9400). Ubuntu freeze on starting process.
[09:10] <Darzn> I use ‘nomodeset’ workaround to boot and see GUI, but off course nomodeset is not for permanent usage.
[09:10] <Darzn> I already open topic on askubuntu, but for now without any  success. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1246794/20-04-desktop-intel-uhd-630-video-problems
[09:29] <raddy> Hello
[09:30] <raddy> Among /etc/my.cnf and /etc/MySQL/MySQL.conf.d/MySQL.cnf which would take precedence ?
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> Darzn: intel UHD graphics should not really need nomodeset unless its combined with an nvidia hybrid card?
[09:36] <MrElendig> Darzn: which card do you actually hook up to the monitor?
[09:36] <MrElendig> Darzn: or do you only have the intel igp?
[09:37] <MrElendig> and does the system actually hang, or is it just the screen that goes black?
[09:49] <Darzn> MrElendig I have only integrated GPU, without nomodeset booting process stops (but keep rolling that circle)  something like this https://www.how2shout.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/New-Ubuntu-20.04-Boot-splash-screen.png
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> Darzn: try F1 textboot switch and see where things go wrong
[09:50] <MrElendig> disable plymouth and quiet to get actual useful errors
[09:51] <Darzn> lotuspsychje try and give result.
[09:52] <Darzn> MrElendig for now I restart and try what lotuspsychje sugest. then search for plymouth. thank all for now
[09:55] <akem> Hey, when i cannot execute shellscript by double clicking them in Thunar, i try "open with" then custom command "xterm -e" or "rxvt -e", but it doesn't do anything :X However if i put an editor it open them for editing correctly, any idea? (looking for solution online but found nothing yet)
[09:58] <akem> Ok, i solved the issue somehow, not sure how. :P
[10:09] <Darzn> @lotuspsychje When I press F1 on startup, I got short blink (approx 10ms) with text in like console lines, and after sec or two sec I get logon. Now I login and all working (and show on both displays).
[10:10] <Darzn> What F1 does? What need to configure to get the same result without F1 on startup?
[10:11] <raddy> Can anybody help me in MySQL replication ?
[10:11] <raddy> All work completed, but getting error from slave
[10:33] <a__pi> i have an AMD ryzen that I installed 20.04 and it's hanging at shutdown
[10:33] <a__pi> it's latest kernel
[10:33] <a__pi> fully updated
[10:33] <a__pi> any ideas?
[10:38] <OnceMe> if I want a dual boot but on a different hdd's, should I install windows in uefi mode first to hdd1 and then to attach hdd2 and install ubuntu with LVM on hdd2?
[10:38] <OnceMe> or I should attach both hdds and then continue with windows on hdd1 and ubuntu on hdd2 in uefi mode with grub loader?
[10:51] <OnceMe> if I want a dual boot but on a different hdd's, should I install windows in uefi mode first to hdd1 and then to attach hdd2 and install ubuntu with LVM on hdd2? or I should attach both hdds and then continue with windows on hdd1 and ubuntu on hdd2 in uefi mode with grub loader?
[10:51] <MrElendig> order doesn't matter
[10:51] <MrElendig> (one of the advantages of uefi)
[10:51] <MrElendig> your life will generally be easier if you use the same esp for both gnu/linux and windows though
[10:52] <MrElendig> some boards doesn't like having more than one esp
[10:54] <OnceMe> esp?
[10:54] <EriC^> OnceMe: you dont need to do them one drive at a time, just make sure ubuntu puts its bootloader on the designated ubuntu drive, so you end up with 2 standalone installs
[10:57] <OnceMe> EriC^: will ubuntu see windows installation?
[10:58] <OnceMe> brb
[11:21] <doebi_> Checking connectivity with the snap store…
[11:21] <doebi_> Unable to reach the snap store
[11:22] <doebi_> since snap is the way to go, i am unable to use my chromium
[11:22] <doebi_> this essentially locked me out of my password manager and hence all my work-related accounts.
[11:22] <doebi_> Thanks for killing it.
[11:36] <viktor_> hi. I can ssh into my server with my private key. But when i try to copy files with scp i need to specify the key file explicitly every time as it looks in the wrong place. How can i make scp find the key? Can i make some configuration file or something?
[11:36] <matsaman> viktor_: what makes you think it looks in the wrong place?
[11:39] <doebi_> viktor_: scp -i
[11:39] <viktor_> matsaman: if i run scp with verbose it says to look for the keys in /root/.ssh/"keys". while my keys are in ~/.ssh/"andsoon". for .ssh this is specified in the config file. but not sure how to point scp to the right path.
[11:40] <doebi_> same with rsync -e "ssh -i …"
[11:41] <matsaman> why not just do it as your ordinary user
[11:41] <EriC^^> viktor_: are you runnin scp with sudo? or after sudo -i / su?
[11:41] <viktor_> doebi_ yes, that works, but i just wonder if i could skip that
[11:42] <doebi_> viktor_: do you use a ssh-config at "~/.ssh/config"?
[11:42] <viktor_> EriC^^: ahhh, of course. it's just looking in root because i was using sudo
[11:45] <viktor_> doebi_: i do, but i didn't realize sudo made it look in root instead of home
[11:45] <viktor_> EriC^^: doebi_ matsaman : thanks
[11:50] <MrElendig> viktor_: .ssh/config
[11:50] <MrElendig> viktor_: for how to always use a specific key for certain hosts
[11:51] <MrElendig> urgh freenode is laggy again :(
[12:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:27] <lyr> Hi there. i'm running Ubuntu Budgie over Dell XPS 2019. Since yesterday morning, it's freezing on every boot tentatives (I guess I'm over 100+ now) between after grub & a couple of minutes after desktop login. Nothing changed recently. It's up to date (apt & drivers wise). Ran hardware diagnostics twice w/o issue detected. Yesterday evening it
[12:27] <lyr> seemed stable after stopping / disabling docker, but went amok again on morning' boot. Tried tailing the systemd journal on the occasions where I managed for a couple of minutes, but no errors. Any idea to dig more in the issue ?
[12:31] <tdannecy_> How do you change the location of an app when it comes up with `which ffmpeg` ? Mine goes to `/usr/bin/ffmpeg` and I want to change it to `/opt/ffmpeg`. How can I do that?
[12:32] <EriC^^> tdannecy_: put /opt before /usr/bin in your PATH variable
[12:33] <tatertots> lyr: does the same thing happen when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB?
[12:33] <lyr> tatertots seems so
[12:33] <tdannecy_> EriC^^: Will that change the location of all binaries?
[12:33] <EriC^^> tdannecy_: if there's anything else in /opt it will run before the one in other dirs, yeah
[12:34] <tatertots> lyr: try booting a different version LiveCD/LiveUSB and determine if the same happens
[12:34] <tdannecy_> EriC^^: Okay thanks. It was difficult searching Google for "which change location bash" and I felt crazy. Appreciate the help.
[12:34] <EriC^^> tdannecy_: no problem
[12:36] <lyr> tatertots I'm testing Xubuntu 20.04 atm. It froze twice in a row
[12:50] <ducasse> lyr: try 'journalctl -b -1' to see the last messages from the previous boot
[13:08] <dirtwash> hi, adding mitigations=off to grub default line should disable all mitigations in 20.04 correct?
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> !info spectre-meltdown-checker | dirtwash a handy tool to help
[13:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey
[13:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> how do i get into the boot loader or rescue option for ubuntu
[13:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> 18?
[13:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got no second os so i dont see a menu..
[13:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> 18.04
[13:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need to reset my user password,
[13:23] <th0r> Eryn_1983_FL, there should be a delay at boot...8 seconds if I recall. Hit any key during that delay, then type 'single' to get into single user mode. Should be able to log in as root and change the password
[13:23] <cousteau> Ohai!
[13:24] <bluesceada> anyone else has some ugly font rendering issues in firefox since updating 18.04 to 20.04 ? This is especially obvious on twitter.com, when you mouse-over over tweets the font gets ugly for a fraction of a second and then becomes normal again
[13:24] <bluesceada> overall if you don't allow websites to use their own fonts, everything will look good - but then the built-in pdf viewer will often not show pdfs
[13:25] <dirtwash> lotuspsychje: I know how to check, my point is it seems not to diable than as before in 18.04
[13:26] <cousteau> What exactly happens when I configure a network proxy?  It appears that this simply sets a bunch of environment variables (http_proxy and friends), so every program I open from then on knows it has to use a proxy.  But it seems that this change is permanent and also affects tty sessions (so not just Gnome subprocesses), is this correct?
[13:26] <cousteau> So Ubuntu (or Gnome or whoever) is telling bash to load these variables at startup
[13:27] <dirtwash> lotuspsychje: btw dmesg also tells you if its active
[13:27] <cousteau> I would like to know where these are stored for bash to know it has to load them
[13:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> nope
[13:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> i pressed Z a bunch of times nothing
[13:28] <dirtwash> yea can someone with 20.04 confirm their mitigations=off setting? I triple checked, its not working, weirdly
[13:38] <dirtwash> ok so it turns out that update-grub is not updating grub.cfg ...any ideas why?
[13:38] <quadrathoch2> dirtwash where did you edit the config?
[13:39] <dirtwash> the normal /etc/default/grub , as I know from 18.04, and run update-grub
[13:39] <dirtwash> but its not updating anything
[13:39] <dirtwash> its a fresh 20.04 install, just evaluating 20.04 for our nodes
[13:39] <quadrathoch2> oO weird, for me it works dirtwash
[13:40]  * dirtwash facepalms
[13:40] <dirtwash> nvm
[13:40] <quadrathoch2> hm dirtwash?
[13:41] <dirtwash> figured it out, i didnt pay attention there was aanother cfg in grub.d overwriting the line
[13:41] <dirtwash> from the DC
[13:41] <quadrathoch2> pff ^^
[13:42] <dirtwash> silly indeed
[13:42] <dirtwash> thanks
[13:52] <Velarde> Hi all, I've tried several online solutions over the past few weeks to fix my screen tearing on full screen mode but none worked. There is *almost* no screen tearing outside full screen but the moment I go to full screen it becomes very obvious. GPU is nvidia RTX 2060, can someone point me in the right direction?
[13:56] <Velarde> I know is a very common issue, and I've fixed it before in ubuntu 18 with intel gpu, but no luck now
[13:57] <zfnmxt> What does Ubuntu do for swap by default? Is there a default size? Is it if a file/partition?
[13:57] <quadrathoch2> Velarde I assume it's somewhere in the nvidia config (i remember being an option for that) but not sure how well that works
[13:57] <zfnmxt> (Asking because I want to help someone use systemd-swap with their Ubuntu install.)
[13:57] <quadrathoch2> zfnmxt normally it's the size of the ram
[13:58] <zfnmxt> quadrathoch2: To enable hibernation I guess?
[13:58] <quadrathoch2> zfnmxt yes
[13:58] <zfnmxt> Can I safely just delete the file/partition?
[13:58] <quadrathoch2> zfnmxt yeah, linux doesn't need even a swap if you really want to
[13:58] <zfnmxt> quadrathoch2: That I know I just don't know how Ubuntu handles it :)
[13:59] <quadrathoch2> zfnmxt well ubuntu is linux ;)
[13:59] <zfnmxt> I want to use systemd-swap so it dynamically allocates as needed :)
[13:59] <Velarde> quadrathoch2: I have Forced Full Composition Pipeline checked
[13:59] <quadrathoch2> Velarde :/ sorry don't know too much about nvidia anymore, as I moved to amd
[13:59] <quadrathoch2> Velarde but it has to be the gpu driver :/
[14:11] <Velarde> I tried the nouveau driver but it just made the issue more noticeable
[14:11] <Velarde> I will try the other drivers, thanks for the advice quadrathoch2
[14:11] <quadrathoch2> Velarde np, didn't really do anything :P
[14:13] <three> whats the issue youre encountering velarde
[14:14] <Velarde> screen tearind, minimal most of the time but very noticeable on full screen
[14:15] <Velarde> I've tried several nvidia configurations and online fixes but none worked
[14:17] <three> is this when playing games or all the time
[14:21] <Velarde> Its weird because it doesn't happen with games
[14:22] <three> what then. just like normal use moving windows around?
[14:23] <Velarde> no, with Netflix or Prime
[14:24] <Velarde> not with VLC
[14:24] <Velarde> maybe Firefox is the issue?
[14:25] <Velarde> (I'm just trying VLC, don't usually use it)
[14:25] <three> it does sound like a graphics card issue
[14:26] <three> what cpu do you have
[14:27] <JellyIsAwesome> i'm new to linux, do users have different permissions in ubuntu server?
[14:27] <Velarde> i7 9th gen
[14:28] <Velarde> Intel® Core™ i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60GHz × 12
[14:29] <skyliner_369> for some reason focal fossa will quit launching certain applications. no error, just... nothing launching. it'll work again after reboot but I think there's a bug? I have no clue how to make it happen, it just happens randomly, and not often, or predictably.
[14:30] <quadrathoch2> JellyIsAwesome it can, depends on how you set it up
[14:30] <viktor_> JellyIsAwesome: depends on which group they're part of and with ragard to which files they're xrw. but yes.
[14:31] <JellyIsAwesome> can you link some documentation or a guide to this?
[14:32] <EriC^> JellyIsAwesome: what is the problem you're trying to solve exactly?
[14:32] <EriC^> if we understand the main issue, we might be able to help you better
[14:33] <JellyIsAwesome> there's no problem, i'm just looking to learn
[14:34] <EriC^> !permissions | JellyIsAwesome
[14:34] <JellyIsAwesome> ubottu: thanks
[14:34] <JellyIsAwesome> .....
[14:34] <BluesKaj> skyliner_369, have you tried launching from the terminal, might show errors
[14:34] <JellyIsAwesome> ubottu: thanks
[14:35] <JellyIsAwesome> haha
[14:35] <skyliner_369> how do you launch terminal from the terminal when you can't launch terminal?
[14:35] <skyliner_369> Ctrl+Alt+T doesn't work
[14:37] <three> skyliner_369 if youre launching it from the terminal then...
[14:38] <three> dont you already have it open?
[14:38] <EriC^> skyliner_369: you could type "<your terminal> & disown" but it'd be easier to just search your DE's menu for it
[14:38] <BluesKaj> then check /var/log/syslog for errors
[14:38] <EriC^> skyliner_369: e.g gnome-terminal & disown
[14:39] <three> velarde try using the integrated graphics and see if the problem goes away it will help you narrow down what is causing the screen tearing
[14:39] <BluesKaj> skyliner_369, unless the file manager doesn't launch either
[14:40] <skyliner_369> three: the point was that I couldn't launch from the terminal because I can't open it. either way, I rebooted, so there's nominal behavior. I'll look at the logs later as... I tend to not look at clocks when I should.
[14:41] <JellyIsAwesome> how can I stop znc?
[14:42] <three> jellyisawesome what is znc?
[14:42] <JellyIsAwesome> it's an irc bouncer, i'm running it on ubuntu server
[14:43] <three> ah just kill the process
[14:43] <DArqueBishop> JellyIsAwesome: if it's a service, "systemctl stop znc". If you're connected to the bouncer via IRC, "/msg *status shutdown",
[14:44] <three> oh yeah it is a service i just looked it up
[14:44] <three> how does that work you run it locally on your network or on your machine?
[14:45] <JellyIsAwesome> Failed to stop znc.service: Unit znc.service not loaded.
[14:45] <JellyIsAwesome> it's running locally on my network
[14:45] <three> what does "systemctl status znc" say
[14:45] <Velarde> three: lspci -v | grep VGA shows only the NVIDIA card, no integrated intel option
[14:46] <JellyIsAwesome> huh, it says "Unit znc.service could not be found."
[14:46] <JellyIsAwesome> three: but i'm sure ZNC is running
[14:46] <JellyIsAwesome> ps
[14:46] <three> youre running these commands on the ubuntu server right?
[14:46] <JellyIsAwesome> yes
[14:47] <three> velarde you will need to go into the bios and tell it to use your iGPU instead of the nvidia card. or you can yank the card out
[14:47] <JellyIsAwesome> three: i could try and kill the process that's running instead of doing that
[14:48] <three> have you configured znc jelly
[14:48] <JellyIsAwesome> i've managed to kill the process
[14:48] <three> im reading after installation you must run "sudo -u znc znc --makeconf"
[14:48] <JellyIsAwesome> three: i've configured it
[14:48] <JellyIsAwesome> but the webadmin isn't showing up in my browser
[14:49] <skyliner_369> On a different note, it seems that GPU performance is way below what it should be for my PC. I have a 1060 6GB (they could mean 6 GiB... but it's hard to tell) why's it so slow?
[14:49] <three> well thats probably cause the service isnt running
[14:49] <JellyIsAwesome> could be, i'll check using ps ux
[14:49] <Velarde> I'll check that out and be back later, thanks three
[14:50] <JellyIsAwesome> apparently it's running
[14:50] <three> skyliner_369 in what way is it "slow" like do your videos buffer even when they are obviously downloaded
[14:50] <JellyIsAwesome> i'm also running pi-hole on the same machine as znc, could it be affecting anything?
[14:50] <three> jellyisawesome if its running systemctl status znc should show it as running
[14:50] <skyliner_369> framerates 1/4 of in wandows in the same games, same settings.
[14:51] <three> well thats just because nvidea has awful linux drivers and ubuntu stays on the stable packages so you have older drivers anyway. though your frames shouldnt be that low
[14:52] <three> for linux gaming i always recommend something rolling release with an amd gpu as the linux kernal includes the latest amd drivers
[14:52] <skyliner_369> should I swap from nvidia to x.org?
[14:53] <skyliner_369> or is nvidia-driver-440 still the best option?
[14:53] <three> i'll be honest nvidia drives are not something i've messed with
[14:54] <three> amd gpus work so well in linux its great but i think you just need to search for a better driver
[14:54] <cousteau> Afaik the only way to get all the power from your Nvidia is with the official drivers
[14:54] <cousteau> Even if they kinda work like... well, poorly
[14:56] <JellyIsAwesome> i've uninstalled znc using 'apt-get remove' (not sure if i did this right)
[14:56] <skyliner_369> 'tis a shame I'm stuck with nvidia. I don't really have any budget to get a good amd gpu
[14:56] <JellyIsAwesome> i discovered that znc is on snap
[14:57] <skyliner_369> also apt-get is dated. just use apt.
[14:57] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: ah, didn't know that
[14:57] <JellyIsAwesome> i don't know how to proceed after i've installed znc from snap
[14:58] <skyliner_369> both work basically the same, but apt just runs better I find.
[14:58] <skyliner_369> then again this is my system in system monitor. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rSTk8W9i/image.png
[15:00] <JellyIsAwesome> 62gb ram...
[15:00] <JellyIsAwesome> what do you even do?
[15:00] <skyliner_369> blend! :D
[15:00] <JellyIsAwesome> ah, i see
[15:00] <JellyIsAwesome> makes sense
[15:02] <EriC^> JellyIsAwesome: do you want to remove znc or just stop the service?
[15:02] <skyliner_369> and I've only got 4 of 8 RAM slots filled
[15:03] <JellyIsAwesome> EriC^: i'm trying to configure znc, so i ended up uninstalling it and i reinstalled it from snap
[15:04] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: could we see your work in blender?
[15:04] <skyliner_369> sure. comcast is being a touch slow so... might take me a minute
[15:07] <skyliner_369> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20FDpBI86l0 this is one of the projects I actually finished. lol
[15:07] <skyliner_369> well... semi finished
[15:10] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: impressive..
[15:10] <JellyIsAwesome> the song is quite catchy and the animation looks very nice
[15:11] <sazawal> Hi all. How can I find which keyring service is implemented on my Ubuntu from terminal?
[15:12] <skyliner_369> and that was on my old PC on 2.79... so I couldn't drop the framerate and reduce my render time. (because 2.79 doesn't support putting keyframes between frames)
[15:13] <skyliner_369> rendering the animation actually killed my old mobo
[15:13] <asdfgh> hello
[15:14] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: did you teach yourself blender, or did you take classes?
[15:14] <asdfgh> what tool should i use for virtualization? vmware or virtualbox?
[15:14] <asdfgh> i read those are free for personal use
[15:14] <skyliner_369> self taught... with the help of a cookie and a guru
[15:15] <asdfgh> i must use windows 10 to run a software
[15:15] <asdfgh> so i do not know what tool shoul di use to create a virtual machine
[15:16] <skyliner_369> if you're currently running Ubuntu, look into Boxes
[15:16] <three> my preferred hypervisor is virt-manager which uses kvm and qemu. Have you tried running your windows 10 applications natively with wine?
[15:16] <skyliner_369> gnome-boxes
[15:16] <kk4ewt> or the Virtual Machine
[15:16] <kk4ewt> Manager
[15:17] <kk4ewt> skyliner_369; boxes interface leaves a lot to be desired
[15:17] <three> virt-manager is called Virtual Machine Manager in the software center
[15:18] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, i am going to install unbuntu 20.04
[15:18] <asdfgh> and then win10 on a virtual machine
[15:18] <three> asdfgh what do you need windows 10 to run
[15:18] <asdfgh> three, it is an accounting software...custom software
[15:18] <asdfgh> i tried with wine without anyluck
[15:18] <asdfgh> three, custom accounting software
[15:19] <three> ah yeah a vm might b the best solution
[15:19] <asdfgh> never heard about "boxes"
[15:19] <skyliner_369> Well, if I could recommend, bisecting your HDD for dual-boot could work well to your needs.
[15:19] <asdfgh> three, it is easy to run ?
[15:19] <three> try virt-manager it is easy to run you once you get it set uo
[15:19] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, yeah but i prefer to wok with linux simultaneously
[15:19] <three> you need to make sure you get the correct dependencies
[15:20] <three> and to enable the libvirtd service as thats what it runs on
[15:20] <asdfgh> ok i am installing apt install virt-manager
[15:20] <skyliner_369> asdfgh: well, what version of windows do you have? 10 home or 10 pro?
[15:20] <asdfgh> wht are "boxes"
[15:20] <asdfgh> 10 pro skyliner_369
[15:20] <three> but yeah its more complicated than like virtual box i guess but its much more powerful and also is a bare metal hypervisor
[15:21] <skyliner_369> definitely bisect. If I remember right, you can run a real HDD through a VM
[15:21] <three> you can
[15:21] <three> but its not worth it
[15:21] <three> easier to just install your vm on a virtual drive
[15:21] <asdfgh> hmm gnome boxes never used
[15:22] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, do you mean dual boot?
[15:22] <asdfgh> but i must run linux and windows simultaneusly
[15:22] <asdfgh> i am...i prefer to work on linux but i must run that software so i would like to reboot to swith the OS
[15:22] <asdfgh> *switch
[15:23] <skyliner_369> yeah. bisect the drive. dual boot. bisect as in split into 2 partitions... well... actually more like 5 because of how Windows does its partitions
[15:23] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, yes, ok...but... i must restart the pc to run win...and then restart again to run linux
[15:23] <asdfgh> i prefer to hold two OS live
[15:23] <sarnold> I can't imagine windows would take kindly to being native booted one boot and then virtualized boot on the next boot
[15:24] <three> honestly thats how i have my desktop set up and its a pain in the ass but i only have one nvme drive. If i had 2 i would install linux on one and windows on the completely seperate drive
[15:24] <sarnold> that sounds like a quick way to ruin windows so that it doesn't boot at all
[15:24] <th0r> asdfgh, have you considered using virtualbox to run windows? I set up two workspaces in xfce and ran windows fullscreen on one, xfce4 on the other
[15:24] <skyliner_369> It's more about keeping that 10 pro key.
[15:24] <three> i agree with sarnold i wouldnt boot your windows partition in a vm
[15:24] <three> win 10 pro keys can be had for like 5 dollars
[15:24] <asdfgh> th0r, yeah i used virtualbox and it worked but i am talking about...hmmm 5 years ago
[15:25] <sarnold> quite a lot of this page looks useful for running windows 10 in qemu/kvm https://www.funtoo.org/Windows_10_Virtualization_with_KVM
[15:25] <asdfgh> three, sometimes they do not work correctly (10 pro keys)
[15:25] <skyliner_369> also if your PC is nvidia GPU powered, asdfgh then I'd recommend keeping a windows partition around for games
[15:26] <three> asdfgh yeah sometimes you get a used key but thats only happened to me once and i bitched at the seller and he gave me another
[15:26] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, i have two ssd so yoes i can install windows on a drive and linux on the other...but it is boring to reboot linux to start win and viceversa
[15:26] <three> skyliner regarding your graphics situation
[15:26] <three> have you ever considered making a gaming vm
[15:26] <asdfgh> i mean...if i need data from that accounting software...i should reboot to start win...then get the data...reboot and work on linux
[15:26] <asdfgh> (yeah i have nvidia too but...no time to play... i am using it for ML work
[15:26] <three> you can pass the nvidia gpu over to windows and use the intel gpu to diplay linux and have them run simultaneously on two monitors
[15:27] <skyliner_369> I mean, windows 10 pro actually has a microsoft-based virtual machine software. I find it to be the least painful of the VM packages on windows, go figure.
[15:27] <asdfgh> three, do you mean that i cna have linux on a drive and win on the other and using them simultaneously?
[15:27] <asdfgh> on two monitors?
[15:28] <three> yeah i use hyper-v a lot too and its good but virt-manager is just like a better hyper-v in my opinion
[15:28] <asdfgh> three, wait...do you mean that i should create a virtual machine... no dual-boot
[15:28] <JellyIsAwesome> three: i'm having difficulty setting up the webadmin for znc
[15:28] <asdfgh> or create a virtual machine on the second drive
[15:28] <asdfgh> what do you mean exactly?
[15:29] <sazawal> How can I provide the keyring password to a python script running in background at the time of launch? I have
[15:29] <three> sorry asdfgh i was talking to skyliner about something we were talking about earlirt
[15:29] <sazawal> I have ubuntu-keyring installed on my system.
[15:29] <JellyIsAwesome> i've configured znc using znc --makeconf, but i don't know what to do
[15:29] <three> for you i recommend a vm
[15:29] <three> if all your going to do is run accounting software just run it in a windows 10 vm
[15:29] <asdfgh> three, ok, out of curiosity what vm system is used in gnome-boxes?
[15:29] <three> dont worry about your hard drives you can just create a virtual hard drive in linux for the windows vm
[15:29] <asdfgh> i am reading that they can run windows10pro
[15:30] <skyliner_369> a VM is probably the best. I'm just saying don't delete your windows installation. that can lead to sadman times
[15:30] <three> i've never used gnome boxes but seriously if you want windows 10 to run well in a vm you should use a bare metal hypervisor like virt-manager
[15:30] <asdfgh> skyliner_369, ok i will not delete it
[15:30] <asdfgh> ok
[15:30] <asdfgh> three, do you have a doc i can follow to run virt-manager correctly?
[15:30] <asdfgh> did you send me it already?
[15:31] <three> hold on i was just looking for some
[15:31] <asdfgh> thanks
[15:31] <three> its actually not too hard to use once its installed plus you can always ask questions in here
[15:31] <three> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager
[15:32] <Intelo> I connected to vnc, all fine, firefox from console opens. I installed chromium-browser but when run, it says 'Client is not authorized to connect to server. Unable to open x display
[15:32] <asdfgh> perfect three ! thanks
[15:32] <asdfgh> i will go with it
[15:32] <three> jellyisawesome check out this page in the arch wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZNC
[15:32] <JellyIsAwesome> three: will do
[15:33] <asdfgh> three, just to understand do i need custom tool like guestadditional software (virtualbox)
[15:33] <asdfgh> to run win correctly?
[15:33] <three> no you wont
[15:33] <three> you may need do mess with some settings if you want full resolution though
[15:35] <JellyIsAwesome> three: i have a feeling i've installed it wrong, can you provide a link that shows how to install packages?
[15:35] <skyliner_369> So I use system monitor, and it's p nice, but it's still lacking compared to even task manager... how do I look into other resources like video memory and GPU usage?
[15:36] <asdfgh> three, thanks
[15:36] <asdfgh> yes i will need full resolution
[15:36] <asdfgh> thanks
[15:36] <asdfgh> go to install 20.04 + win
[15:36] <asdfgh> thanks
[15:36] <three> jellyisawesome I assume you just run "sudo apt-get install znc"
[15:37] <skyliner_369> or sudo apt install znc
[15:37] <JellyIsAwesome> that's what i did
[15:37] <JellyIsAwesome> but when i try to start the service, this happens
[15:37] <JellyIsAwesome> "Failed to start znc.service: Unit znc.service not found."
[15:38] <JellyIsAwesome> when i try running the znc command, i get this
[15:38] <JellyIsAwesome> "[ .. ] Checking for list of available modules...
[15:38] <JellyIsAwesome> [ .. ] Opening config [/home/znc/.znc/configs/znc.conf]...
[15:38] <JellyIsAwesome> [ !! ] ZNC is already running on this config.
[15:38] <JellyIsAwesome> [ ** ] Unrecoverable config error.
[15:38] <three> ohhhh
[15:38] <three> you may have bricked the config
[15:39] <JellyIsAwesome> how can i fix that?
[15:39] <skyliner_369> careful JellyIsAwesome don't paste the terminal into the channel... look into termbin.
[15:39] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: is that bad for privacy if i paste the terminal in the channel?
[15:39] <three> here how about you just reinstall it. first delete the znc config just to make sure you get a new one "sudo rm /var/lib/znc/.znc/configs/znc.config"
[15:40] <JellyIsAwesome> skyliner_369: i assume it is, since the channel gets logged
[15:40] <three> then just "sudo apt-get purge znc" and "sudo apt-get install znc
[15:40] <skyliner_369> no. you'll be auto-kicked, JellyIsAwesome  because it can be seen as spam by bots
[15:40] <skyliner_369> no need to use apt-get. just apt. sudo apt purge znc
[15:41] <three> im not really a debian user. whats really the difference
[15:41] <skyliner_369> progress bar and speed
[15:41] <JellyIsAwesome> three: i've reinstalled it, should i edit the config file now?
[15:42] <three> id run "sudo -u znc znc --makeconf" now
[15:42] <three> that should take you through like an installation wizard
[15:44] <skyliner_369> so... is there anything like 'system monitor' but with GPU info as well?
[15:46] <three> ah jellyisawesome i may have found an issue
[15:46] <JellyIsAwesome> three: what is it?
[15:47] <three> hold on im not sure the znc wiki may or may not be out of date
[15:48] <three> did you get anywhere with reinstalling it
[15:50] <three> jellyisawesome maybe this will help https://prashant.me/linux/2020/04/23/running-irc-bouncer-znc-in-a-low-end-vps-behind-nat.html
[15:51] <sumagna> umm
[15:52] <JellyIsAwesome> three: thanks, i'll check it out
[15:52] <sumagna> can anyone see my travis CI log and tell me from which apt package i can get the shared object files?
[15:52] <sumagna> https://travis-ci.com/github/sumagnadas/graph-plotter/jobs/349913752#L335
[15:53] <sumagna> lines which are similar to this one ^
[15:57] <bluesceada> ah somebody already reported the bug and it is upstream/firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1645681
[16:19] <zfnmxt> Is it possible to upgrade a 18.04 LTS install to a newer version of Ubuntu from a USB stick? I'm trying with 20.04 LTS, but there's no upgrade option in the install dialogue.
[16:20] <JimBuntu> sumagna: libxcb-icccm4 for one
[16:20] <zfnmxt> Ah, apparently you need internet access.
[16:21] <sumagna> JimBuntu: too late
[16:21] <sumagna> i had to include everyone of the "not found" libraries
[16:21] <JimBuntu> sumagna: ok, I guess you found libxcb-keysyms1 too
[16:21] <sumagna> couldnt find a common one which would include all of em
[16:22] <zfnmxt> No, even with internet access there's no upgrade option. =/
[16:23] <sumagna> zfnmxt: dont think there's one
[16:23] <sumagna> i dont think you can get an upgrade option when upgrading from the usb stick
[16:24] <sumagna> i may be wrong if there's one
[16:29] <zfnmxt> Well, I just tried just updating via the GUI software updater, it installed some NVidia drivers and now the thing won't boot into (...Unity, I think it is?).
[16:30] <h00k> Running 20.04, just installed today, I've got one of these  (Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM43602 802.11ac Wireless LAN SoC (rev 01))on a '15 macbook pro, and the 'brcmfmac' driver will *not* connect to a wpa2 SSID, but connects great to an open AP. It's a supported device, and maybe has been for a long time.
[16:31] <sumagna> zfnmxt: from 18.04?
[16:31] <zfnmxt> sumagna: Yes.
[16:32] <zfnmxt> Well, it's all on 18.04 LTS.
[16:32] <zfnmxt> Since no upgrade was successful :)
[16:32] <zfnmxt> I think the user did some weird Nvidia driver stuff and their own and it conflicted with what was in the repos; but I really don't know.
[16:32] <zfnmxt> Just trying to fix it.
[16:32] <zfnmxt> s/and their own/on their own
[16:32] <sumagna> "the user"?
[16:33] <zfnmxt> sumagna: It's a colleague's laptop
[16:33] <zfnmxt> Any advice on how to save it from a tty at the graphical log-in manager?
[16:34] <sumagna> you can open a tty?
[16:34] <zfnmxt> Well I can alt + ctrl + f2 (I think f2?) to get a tty.
[16:34] <sumagna> no not that
[16:34] <sumagna> you cannot open the GUI login manager?
[16:35] <sumagna> but can open the tty one
[16:35] <zfnmxt> If we try to log-in, it just freezes.
[16:35] <sumagna> hmmm...
[16:35] <Intelo> I connected to vnc, all fine, firefox from console opens. I installed chromium-browser but when run, it says 'Client is not authorized to connect to server. Unable to open x display
[16:35] <zfnmxt> Is there a way to rollback a software update or sometihng?
[16:35] <sumagna> i dont know much about Nvidia drivers, its issues and how to solve those issues
[16:38] <three> zfnmxt you gotta purge those nvidea drivers from the system
[16:39] <three> i've had that happen before after isntalling drivers normally you've just installed the wrong one
[16:39] <sumagna> yea that can help
[16:41] <rajivmars> hi all! whenever i make new folders to my ubuntu 20.04 desktop, the folders view are in row instead of column. why not the folders settled themselves in a column?
[16:42] <rajivmars> is there some settings for this?
[16:42] <zfnmxt> three: Purge the drivers from the Ubuntu software update?
[17:05] <MrElendig> icons on the desktop are pure evil
[17:06] <MrElendig> but see if the gnome extension have a configuration for that
[17:08] <tmroland> which is faster in raw performance at same operations?
[17:08] <tmroland> ubuntu or debian sid
[17:08] <tmroland> and here i mean filesystem, memory management, web browsing
[17:08] <MrElendig> tmroland: you would have to benchmark your specific workload to find out
[17:08] <tmroland> desktop casual operations that are at the base of eveyday use
[17:09] <tmroland> but in general, as a opinion
[17:09] <oerheks> no polling please
[17:09] <tmroland> no polling, jsut 1 opinion or 2
[17:09] <oerheks> what answer would you like to hear?
[17:09] <tmroland> i mean its clear from phoronix that clear linux is fastger than ubuntu
[17:09] <kk4ewt> tmroland; test on your hardware and see for yourself
[17:09] <tmroland> now i wonder if debian sid is
[17:10] <oerheks> ask in #debian?
[17:13] <mekhami> I'm on 18.04 and I can't watch any videos (youtube, twitch, even streamable clips which i think are mp4 but i could be wrong) on any browser.
[17:14] <mekhami> I've tried reinstalling the browsers, I've added like libavcodec57, i'm assuming it's some drm library that's not installed but I don't know what
[17:15] <oerheks> not able to play videos, sounds more like an old videocard to me. what card do you use?
[17:15] <mekhami> rtx 2060 lol not a video card issue
[17:16] <oerheks> driver issue then? nvidia says 415 and up https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/141847/en-us
[17:17] <tatertots> mekhami: can you watch videos when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB?
[17:17] <mekhami> i'm on nvidia 440
[17:17] <mekhami> tatertots: idk, don't have one sitting around
[17:18] <mekhami> yeah i'm on th elatest nvidia driver. it's not a video card thing.
[17:18] <mekhami> it's 100% drm/codec related.
[17:19] <tatertots> mekhami: find out if it works when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB....drm or codec would actually be %50 for codec and %50 drm
[17:19] <mekhami> what does using liveusb rule out?
[17:20] <mekhami> because i can pretty easily rule out hardware issues because it works on my other boot partition
[17:20] <mekhami> and i can also play games and do other non-browser-video things on my ubuntu installation
[17:20] <tatertots> that's not saying much...you can't say it works when i boot Windows 10 or some other linux distro
[17:21] <tatertots> you vaguely say "boot partition"
[17:21] <mekhami> alright if you're gonna be intentionally dense just don't bother responding, thank you
[17:21] <mekhami> you don't know what you're talking about that's fine just stop pretending like you're helping
[17:21] <tatertots> so just find out if it works on LiveCD/LiveUSB ...being vague you're unlikely to make any other progress anyhow
[17:21] <tatertots> so just do it
[17:22] <tatertots> if you're so "%100" you can figure out how to fix it on your own then eh lol
[17:48] <fadel> yo hi
[17:48] <fadel> im new here
[17:49] <fadel> new to linux in general
[17:49] <sarnold> welcome fadel :)
[17:49] <fadel> this place is so strange for me
[17:49] <fadel> it thx
[17:49] <fadel> so what do we chat here
[17:50] <JellyIsAwesome> fadel same here, i'm new to linux
[17:50] <sarnold> this channel is for ubuntu support -- folks have a problem, they ask a qestion, whoever is around tries to help out
[17:50] <fadel> oh i have elemntary
[17:50] <fadel> does this count
[17:51] <JellyIsAwesome> sarnold: what's the best way of learning commands in ubuntu server?
[17:51] <sarnold> fadel: not really -- we don't know what the elmental folks have changed, what they packaged, what they haven't, etc. if you need help with elemental you'd be best served to get help from them
[17:52] <sarnold> JellyIsAwesome: I spent a few months when I was new to linux reading every manpage on the system; cd /usr/share/man/man8 ; ls ; pick one to read, read it with man 8 whatever
[17:53] <JellyIsAwesome> sarnold: how do i read the contents? using nano?
[17:54] <sarnold> JellyIsAwesome: with a manual viewer like 'man' or 'xman'
[17:55] <JellyIsAwesome> sarnold: thanks for the tip
[17:56] <JellyIsAwesome> do you have any specific manuals to start off with?
[17:57] <sarnold> JellyIsAwesome: man 7 hier   is a decent enough starting point
[17:57] <MrElendig> JellyIsAwesome: there is also https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-linux
[17:58] <JellyIsAwesome> sarnold: i'll check that out
[17:58] <sarnold> JellyIsAwesome: manpages are split into different sections -- 1 for most user commands, 8 for most system administration commands, 5 for configuration files -- each section has an intro page, so man 1 intro, man 2 intro, etc
[17:58] <JellyIsAwesome> i see
[17:59] <three> sarnold that defiantly is on way to learn linux commands lol. I'll have to start reading man pages in my pass time kinda sounds fun
[17:59] <JellyIsAwesome> would you recommend learning commands with flashcard apps like anki?
[18:00] <JellyIsAwesome> MrElendig: i'll also check that out
[18:00] <three> no you dont need to memorize commands you need to use them reading man pages is great and all but if you dont even understand when to use a command the man page wont help
[18:01] <JellyIsAwesome> three: what's the best way to get hands on experience of commands?
[18:01] <sarnold> three: it had benefits and downsides... there's JUST SO MUCH there that it's hard to know what'll be useful in the future, but because I read it all, I often had a good idea of where things were located when I eventually did need to know other things
[18:01] <dutt> Hi! I'm curious what's happened to volume control in 20.04. Firefox volume now seems separate from system volume, which is anoying since the keys on my keyboard only controls system volume. This has happened on both machines I upgraded to 20.04, one laptop and one desktop. If anyone has any ideas I'd greatly appreciate it. Running standard ubuntu 20.04, minimal fresh install on my desktop, upgraded from 19.10 on my laptop.
[18:02] <three> you've gotta just do things you think are interesting and try to implement them and troubleshoot problems you encounter and you will gain an understanding of how things function in linux just like how people gain a generally understand of certain windows things by like modding games
[18:02] <three> no dont get me wrong man pages are a godsend
[18:02] <MrElendig> dutt: make sure the correct output is set to the default in your favorite pulsemixer
[18:03] <MrElendig> dutt: and that firefox is set to use that output
[18:03] <OnceMe> hello, I have an issue while installing ubuntu 20.04 it didnt ask me to encrypt disk so I installed it without encryption :(
[18:03] <OnceMe> Im looking to repesat process
[18:03] <Velarde> fixed the issue with the screen tearing
[18:03] <dutt> MrElendig, ah, thanks! there's a package pulsermixer in apt, I assume I should install that?
[18:03] <three> velarde what was it
[18:04] <MrElendig> you can use the mixer in gnome or pavucontrol
[18:04] <MrElendig> the later is the most powerful
[18:04] <Velarde> somehow the nvidia-settings call was overwritting the nvidia-settings-rc file after every boot
[18:04] <three> most people prefer pavucontrol
[18:04] <dutt> I installed pavucontrol but couldn't find some way to fix it in there.
[18:04] <OnceMe> can someone help me?
[18:05] <Velarde> so even though I fixed it before, tested it and worked, it would be lost
[18:05] <OnceMe> I installed windows on /dev/sda while /dev/sdb is empty, free space 1TB, I cerated custom root / ext4 with 950G and bootloader is on /dev/sdb too, why it didnt ask me to encrypt my disk? :(
[18:05] <Velarde> I removed the startup ubuntu command to load the nvidia conf and now its persistent
[18:06] <three> onceme maybe this would help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[18:07] <three> i'd try to help but i honestly dont know
[18:07] <Velarde> OnceMe: was the option not available on the installer?
[18:07] <OnceMe> Velarde yes
[18:07] <OnceMe> btw should bootloader be on /dev/sda (where my win is) or on /dev/sdb where my ubuntu will be?
[18:08] <three> the bootloader should have its own partition
[18:08] <three> it should be flagged as the boot partition aswell
[18:09] <three> also normally you format it to fat32
[18:09] <OnceMe> by default it gives me /dev/sda in installer, but thats wheer I have windows
[18:09] <OnceMe> and Who are you? your name etc etc didnt ask to encrypt a whole drive :(
[18:09] <Velarde> I use /boot/efi from the same partition Windows uses to boot
[18:10] <dutt> MrElendig, I'm not sure how to set a default output in pavucontrol. I have a Built in Analog Stereo set as Fallback, is that what you mean?
[18:10] <three> valade i assuemed he mean his windows main partition not the efi partition
[18:10] <three> dutt i just click the check mark and it switches the current output
[18:10] <Velarde> I mean, Windows and Linux can use the same partition to boot
[18:11] <MrElendig> output devices tab, click green checkmark icon
[18:11] <three> velarde no i know i just thought he meant his windows file system partition
[18:11] <dutt> yep, done. so now to figure out how to make firefox use that device instead of whatever device it's currently using... in 19.10 all of this was working perfectly though, did something change to 20.04?
[18:12] <three> go to the applications tab
[18:12] <three> you can set the device for each application in there
[18:13] <three> this is how pulse audio has always worked. I cant remeber but ubuntu may have used something else in 19.10
[18:13] <dutt> aha
[18:13] <OnceMe> how can I encrypt my drive
[18:13] <dutt> hm, I do recall using alsamixer previously?
[18:13] <OnceMe> it doesnt appear, is it because Im doing partitions manually?
[18:13] <three> it is weird though that firefox doesnt by default come out of your main audio device
[18:14] <dutt> I've got a Playback tab with a "Firefox: AudioStream" thingy on it, but no way to set a device.
[18:14] <three> hold on im on a windows machine let me check
[18:14] <dutt> thank you :) yes, it does seem a bit weird
[18:15] <OnceMe> ok entering usb again and clicking reinstall again ubuntu offeerd me a full disk encryption
[18:15] <OnceMe> thats weird UI tbh
[18:16] <dutt> three, https://imgur.com/a/4URrmM2 that's what I see
[18:16] <three> now that i think of it that looks right. I swear there use to be drop down menus that would let you select the output device
[18:17] <three> wait
[18:17] <three> how many output devices do you have
[18:17] <dutt> 1
[18:17] <three> that is likely the reason why theres no option to switch them
[18:17] <dutt> ..seems reasonable.
[18:18] <three> does it show the bar reacting to firefox's audio?
[18:18] <dutt> yeah if I slide the volume for firefox it does affect the volume coming from e.g. youtube, but I can't adjust that volume from my keyboard. Also the volume seems to reset whenever I click something in firefox.
[18:19] <Intelo> I connected to vnc, all fine, firefox from console opens. I installed chromium-browser but when run, it says 'Client is not authorized to connect to server. Unable to open x display
[18:19] <three> oh so like if you turn down your system volume it wont effect firefox's
[18:20] <dutt> exactly. it does seem to affect it i go all the way to mute. but it's all or nothing. rather annoying.
[18:20] <dutt> *affect it if I go
[18:20] <sarnold> Intelo: if you don't get any traction here, try asking in #snappy
[18:21] <Intelo> sarnold: what does snappy got to do with this?
[18:21] <Velarde> dutt: https://askubuntu.com/questions/967061/firefox-keeps-resetting-pulse-volume-to-0 seems like a similar problem
[18:21] <dutt> I guess...the output device turns off completely if I go to 0% volume. But if it's on firefox has its own volume setting compared to anything else?
[18:22] <three> try whats in the post valarde sent
[18:22] <three> its worth a try
[18:22] <dutt> Velarde, I can try that on my laptop, but my desktop was a fresh formatted machine.
[18:22] <Velarde> just backup the directory before
[18:22] <dutt> alright
[18:22] <sarnold> Intelo: chromium-browser is packaged as a snap these days and somehow I really wouldn't be surprised if this may require an extension of the policy
[18:22] <three> wait this issue occurs on your laptop aswell?
[18:23] <nsh> how can i recover something from crashed firefox memory?
[18:23] <nsh> seemingly kmem can't just be copied to disk anymore
[18:23] <nsh> or /dev/mem
[18:23] <dutt> three, yes it's started on both desktop and laptop when I started using 20.04
[18:23] <dutt> three, my laptop is an upgrade from a bunch of versions really, my desktop is a fresh install of 20.04 minimal.
[18:23] <nsh> that is, access to /dev/mem is limited to 1MiB
[18:24] <nsh> i know full well the long comment i was writing is still in physical memory somewhere
[18:24] <nsh> and i expect ubuntu to give me some way to access it short of pretending to be in the FBI
[18:24] <OnceMe> can I encrypt hdd fully without LVM?
[18:24] <Intelo> sarnold: I installed it with apt
[18:24] <MrElendig> OnceMe: yes
[18:25] <MrElendig> OnceMe: but lvm makes it more convenient
[18:25] <OnceMe> MrElendig how do I check if my ubuntu / is encrypted?
[18:25] <three> onceme i found a post of linux mint with a similar issue they said "rm ~/.config/pulse/*" solved the issue though id back up those ifles first
[18:25] <OnceMe> it asks me on start for password /dev/sdb3
[18:25] <OnceMe> but what about /dev/sdb2 and 1?
[18:26] <dutt> three, same problem after closing firefox, moving my ~/.mozilla to ~/mozilla.bak and then starting firefox
[18:26] <dutt> I thinkI tried that earlier after seeing it somewhere, I can try again.
[18:26] <three> dutt i meant to quote you not onceme
[18:26] <MrElendig> OnceMe: lsblk -f is one way
[18:26] <dutt> three, yeah I figured :)
[18:27] <xbfrog> hi, i'm running ubuntu 20.04. my issue is i have 2 laptops same os both have now changed to the show all apps showing only the first screen when before it showed mutiple screens with a button indicator on the right. its now gone on both. i can type the app in the search and it will show it, but there is only  icons from a to k
[18:27] <dutt> three, should I do a restart after removing everything in pulse?
[18:27] <OnceMe> MrElendig cool thanks, it says sdb3 crypto sdb3_crypt LVM2_m vgubuntu ext4 and swap
[18:27] <three> yeah or restart the service. a restart may just be easier
[18:27] <OnceMe> means its encrypted right?
[18:28] <dutt> alright, bbiab
[18:28] <OnceMe> sdb1 is not encrypted and its vfat and sdb2 is ext4 not encrypted too, it's /boot
[18:28] <MrElendig> depends on the tree structure it shows
[18:28] <OnceMe> these are not erquired to be ecrnyped right?
[18:29] <sarnold> nsh: I can't tell if this grabs *only* kernel memory (my guess) or if it lets you dump *all* memory: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kdump/kdump.html
[18:29] <OnceMe> why do  Ihav vfat?
[18:29] <nsh> sounds like it would kill my current linux session though
[18:30] <sarnold> nsh: yeah
[18:30] <nsh> i think volatility framework should just let me dump physmem
[18:30] <sarnold> no :(
[18:30] <sarnold> it's just analysis once you *do* have a dump
[18:30] <nsh> what is this fucking bullshit lol
[18:30] <nsh> it's there, the kernel has it, why can't i
[18:30] <nsh> goddamn
[18:30] <sarnold> this looks promising https://github.com/slmingol/fmem
[18:30] <nsh> some bullshit excuse of protecting me from malware no doubt
[18:31] <nsh> ah yeah that came up elsewhere
[18:31] <nsh> let's try
[18:31] <MrElendig> OnceMe: because uefi requires the esp to be in fat12/16/32
[18:32] <MrElendig> assuming this is a uefi system
[18:32] <OnceMe> yes it is uefi
[18:32] <OnceMe> ok cool seems I have encrypted my drive :)
[18:32] <Intelo> #snappy
[18:32] <OnceMe> although it said it will fully encrypt my drive
[18:32] <MrElendig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition
[18:32] <OnceMe> I see oly /dev/sdb3 is encrypted
[18:32] <dutt> three, nope. same problme. But I did recall something else, both are fresh installs of 20.04 minimal. I cleared the laptop too.
[18:33] <MrElendig> esp can't be encrypted, but you can protect the bootloader/kernel using secureboot
[18:33] <Velarde> sdb3 is / or home?
[18:33] <land0ps> I have Ubuntu installed on an old iMac and for the life of me can't get into the Grub menu during boot. I am using a Windows keyboard, if that makes a difference.
[18:34] <OnceMe> Velarde yes
[18:34] <quadrathoch2> it should be the esc key land0ps
[18:34] <Velarde> then all your files are protected
[18:34] <OnceMe> Velarde how do I check if its / ?
[18:34] <OnceMe> I just compaered sizes from df -h
[18:34] <Velarde> same as before with lsblk
[18:35] <OnceMe> yah it is
[18:35] <OnceMe> even swap is encrypted
[18:35] <OnceMe> ncoe
[18:35] <OnceMe> nice
[18:36] <land0ps> quadrathoch2 thx for replying. I've tried that and Shift. Tried them at different points during the boot sequence. Best result I can achieve - that is, any change from a normal boot - is a blank terminal
[18:36] <dutt> three, is it alright if I pm you? this channels moves quickly.
[18:36] <quadrathoch2> land0ps okay that's weird. i have an old macbook 13 (2011) and there it's working perfectly fine
[18:36] <quadrathoch2> (using esc)
[18:37] <land0ps> Cool. I give it another go. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Never had this issue before, but I've never used the OS on a Mac
[18:37] <land0ps> Thanks!
[18:38] <quadrathoch2> land0ps np :) hope it works for you
[18:38] <land0ps> quadrathoch2 one last q: when do you start hitting esc during the boot?
[18:38] <quadrathoch2> right after the white bootscreen
[18:38] <quadrathoch2> land0ps ^
[18:38] <land0ps> Cool, thanks again
[18:40] <dutt> MrElendig, did you have any other ideas? I got the link from running "alsa-info" if it might help.
[18:42] <xbfrog> nsh: /ignore
[18:43]  * nsh looks at xbfrog with stabbing eyes
[18:43] <dutt> three, oooh...it does work if I use my headphones. so...it's something iffy with the output device?
[18:44] <three> hey sorry i just got back
[18:44] <dutt> no worries
[18:44] <three> thats good to hear. perhaps you need a driver for the audio device?
[18:44] <nsh> root@chess:/media/xeb/3834-3939# dd if=/dev/fmem of=fmem-dump bs=4M count=4096
[18:44] <nsh> dd: failed to open '/dev/fmem': No such device
[18:44] <dutt> hm, possibly? but it was working by default in 19.10?
[18:44] <nsh> despite the module loading quite happily and telling me to use dd
[18:44] <nsh> :(
[18:45] <three> well we should figure out what kind of chip it is
[18:45] <dutt> three, I got http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=34eb935e6bd8175751ead050f989fabfc2e93056 realtek-something something
[18:45] <sarnold> nsh: mknod fmem c 241 1   perhaps?
[18:46] <OnceMe> im on ubuntu live usb, how can I try to access my directories which are encryped
[18:46] <OnceMe> just to emsure they are?
[18:46] <OnceMe> flbsk ?
[18:47] <dutt> OnceMe, "fdisk -l", mount them, try to read them?
[18:48] <OnceMe> yeh in Disks it says LUKS
[18:48] <OnceMe> and when I try to mount it asks for passphrase
[18:48] <dutt> so you're good?
[18:49] <OnceMe> but MB FAT 537MB partition 1
[18:49] <OnceMe> is readable
[18:49] <OnceMe> whats that
[18:49] <OnceMe> folder is empty though
[18:49] <dutt> mount it and check?
[18:49] <OnceMe> its empty, dont know why is there
[18:49] <OnceMe> the second one ext4 is with efi and grub stuff
[18:50] <dutt> if you've got backups of all your files somewhere else than that computer and can risk having to do a re-format of everything, remove it and see if something stops working?
[18:50] <nsh> aha, it seems to work with a later version of fmem!
[18:50] <OnceMe> its a new install
[18:50] <dutt> I have no clue personally.
[18:50] <nsh> good shout sarnold
[18:50] <three> dutt looking up your soundcard seems to find similar problems but no good solutions
[18:51] <OnceMe> I just installed this system
[18:51] <sarnold> nsh: data? and lots of it? :)
[18:51] <dutt> three, so...the solution is to re-install 19.10 since that was working?
[18:52] <dutt> but if it was the soundcard, shouldn't it affect my headphones too? or does the soundcard not factor in since they're bluetooth?
[18:52] <nsh> but i get a bad address after 3GiB :(
[18:52] <sarnold> nooooooooo
[18:52] <three> dutt nah just install arch :P
[18:52] <three> let me keep looking for a minute
[18:52] <dutt> three, thanks!
[18:53] <dutt> overall I'm lazy, arch seems like work :p
[18:57] <Velarde> I switched from Arch to Ubuntu, I feel Ubuntu has improved so much in the last year or so
[18:58] <Velarde> Arch is not worth the trouble once you actually have to work
[18:58] <dutt> so far it's been fairly good at "things just work". until this sound problem with 20.04. I like to do stuff, I don't like to fiddle with my linux installation.
[18:58] <Velarde> But you're a student Arch is definitely worth installing cause you'll get a general understanding of what is going on
[18:59] <dutt> alright
[18:59] <Velarde> with Arch you'd have to configure audio from scratch
[18:59] <dutt> oh gods below
[18:59] <three> velarde I like arch its fine once you get everything configured
[19:00] <three> configuring the audio is a little counterintuitive
[19:00] <Velarde> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting you might find a similar issue and the solution here
[19:00] <Velarde> the archwiki is the best Arch has to offer
[19:00] <three> im not really sure dutt. theres gotta be some other channel that would know about this maybe ask in #linux
[19:01] <dutt> three, alright, thanks a lot for trying :)
[19:01] <three> The arch wiki is just like a generic linux wiki. Its really useful
[19:01] <dutt> Velarde, thanks I'll take a look
[19:01] <Velarde> three: until you switch machines for a couple of weeks and then pacman f*cks up everything updating
[19:02] <skyliner_369> was wondering if gnome-tweaks has any options to make special shortcuts for windows like shaking them to minimize all the other windows
[19:02] <three> velarde I havent experienced any problems updating I run arch on my laptop currently. You made me remember I need to update it
[19:02] <three> arch is especially nice if you arent going to install a lot of packages
[19:02] <Velarde> skyliner_369 maybe some gnome shell extension can do that for you
[19:03] <three> most of the instability comes with having a ton of packages installed. if youre running like a small server with a handful of commonly used packages pacman will never break your install
[19:04] <three> okay imma stop talking about arch before i get kicked
[19:04] <Velarde> I like Arch, I just can't take a 2-3 days of work to fix stuff when I break it
[19:05] <Velarde> and Ubuntu not only looks nice now, but it comes with all the nvidia drivers preconfigured
[19:05] <Velarde> official drivers
[19:05] <three> thats fair. Dont get me wrong I like ubuntu too. I just dislike always having older packages installed as the software center just feels like its missing stuff
[19:05] <three> yeah no 20.04 is a great update graphically for all the flovors
[19:06] <Velarde> I just backup /home every week
[19:06] <Velarde> and whenever I break something I just reinstall
[19:06] <Velarde> (if fixing takes more than 2 hours)
[19:07] <Velarde> Yaru is a beautiful icon set
[19:07] <three> today ive heard multiple people complaining about the nividia drivers not working. I believe theyve been included but i think nvidia just does a terrible job making their linux drivers. If youre gaming on linux amd is the way to go
[19:09] <Velarde> I switch to Windows to play
[19:09] <Velarde> Never had an AMD machine, how is it?
[19:09] <dutt> three, oh, is amd better? the package nvidia drivers have been sooo convenient and so far haven't caused any issues for me.
[19:10] <Velarde> I play Soma on Linux and it runs smoothly, the issue was mostly when connecting the TV to the laptop for Netflix or Prime which I do rarely anyway
[19:11] <three> dutt thats good to hear what nvidia card do you have. to be fair amd doesnt really matter as much on ubuntu. but in like arch or manjaro as the kernel is update the amd drivers are included so you just dont need to mess with it really
[19:13] <skyliner_369> how do I know which version of gnome I have?
[19:14] <three> i think neofetch shows the current desktop enviorment
[19:15] <Velarde> on the about section there is GNOME version
[19:15] <Velarde> just look for the About section in the Settings
[19:17] <dutt> three, hm... I'm not sure tbh. 1060 something possibly?
[19:21] <skyliner_369> how do I install a gnome shell extension?
[19:22] <Velarde> skyliner_369: check this out https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gnome-shell-extensions-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux-desktop
[19:23] <skyliner_369> I'm trying to specifically avoid firefox extensions...
[19:23] <Velarde> not all the extensions are reliable, but some I consider essential
[19:23] <Velarde> this are GNOME extensions (which you can install through Firefox)
[19:24] <Velarde> https://extensions.gnome.org/
[19:25] <Velarde> Some I'd recommend to everyone are: Dash to Panel, IP Finder, No Title Bar - Forked, and OpenWeather
[19:26] <dutt> oh right, these days ubuntu is running a normal gnome right?
[19:28] <dutt> oh well, time for bed. have a good morning/day/night/somethingsomething folks.
[19:38] <skyliner_369> compiz alike windows effect seems the least buggy
[19:47] <sazawal> Hi all. How can I disable keyring password prompt from temrinal?
[19:54] <ash_worksi> when I open the file explorer (or whatever its called) and start typing, it searches for what I'm typing for, I was expecting for it to just filter or move to matching files in the current directory
[19:54] <ash_worksi> how can I do the latter?
[20:00] <ash_worksi> hello?
[20:00] <sazawal> ash_worksi, It is the file explorer feature, which is nautilus, maybe that would help you to find out the answer. I was also searching for it, but didn't find a good solution apart from installing some other file explorer. Check out the ones being used in LXDE and Cinnamon.
[20:01] <skyliner_369> with virt-manager, are there any guest-side tools?
[20:11] <nanthencodeneeth> is it possible to install wine1.8 on ubuntu 18.04
[20:11] <nanthencodeneeth> what command should i give
[20:11] <nanthencodeneeth> in terminal
[20:16] <Bashing-om> !wine bionic
[20:17] <Bashing-om> !info wine bionic
[20:17] <nanthencodeneeth> can i use some ppa
[20:18] <nanthencodeneeth> to install wine1.8 on bionic
[20:18] <skm> lazy
[20:21] <Bashing-om> nanthencodeneeth: Non-authoritive but a quick look all I see is 1.6 available in bionic.
[20:21] <Bashing-om> !wine | nanthencodeneeth
[20:23] <nanthencodeneeth> @Bashing-om can i make a deb package of wine1.8 .If so can you give me some leads on how to do that
[20:26] <ash_worksi> is there a way to split screen the files app?
[20:27] <ash_worksi> I thought there was
[20:30] <Bashing-om> nanthencodeneeth: Sorry - I have no wine experience.
[20:31] <nanthencodeneeth> Bashing-om ok no problem
[20:32] <Bashing-om> nanthencodeneeth: ^^ might be better asked in the #winehq channel.
[20:32] <nanthencodeneeth> Bashing-om ok thanks for the reference
[20:36] <sazawal> Hi all. How can I disable keyring password prompt from temrinal?
[20:38] <npm>  running kubuntu 18.04.4LTS, I note "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy*/scaling_max_freq" shows CPU0 max freq at 4.2Ghz, CPU 1-7 shjows max freq at 4.6Ghz. What changed in recent updates to lock the CPU0 frequency to 4.2Ghz when it used to go up to 4.6Ghz. Furthermore setting governmor to 'performance' nowadays limits the top cpu freq to under 4.2Ghz, used to go to 4.6Ghz . Any suggested fixes or workarounds? This seems to be a bug
[20:38] <npm> with latest kernel updates (5.3.0-59-generic).... previously this was not a problem and all cpu's max speed was the same...
[20:38] <npm> And note that simplistic attempts to fix, like "echo 4600000 | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_max_freq" don't work...  afterwards still see "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_max_freq --> 4200000"    CPU 1-7 show  (correctly): "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy1/scaling_max_freq --> 460000"
[20:42] <npm> In other words for CPU 1-7 i see "hardware limits: 800 MHz - 4.60 GHz" but for CPU0 only I see "hardware limits: 800 MHz - 4.20 GHz" --- this seems to limit top cpu speed for all cpu0-7 at 4.2Ghz, used to go to 4.6Ghz. I'm using "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz" CPU
[20:46] <spacefrog> hello
[20:47] <spacefrog> is there a reason why LibreOffice looks like a windows 95 application on the latest version of Ubuntu?
[20:47] <skm> is that a diss
[20:48] <shibboleth> when will ubuntu automatically delete racist content?
[20:49] <shibboleth> why isn't doing this already? has the development teams diversity been certified?
[20:49] <shibboleth> yes, i'm kidding
[20:51] <spacefrog> wait what?
[20:51] <spacefrog> is this the off-topic channel?
[20:52] <shibboleth> he said, belittling the outcry due to systemic racism
[20:53] <npm> ignoring questions about cpufreq scaling bugs in latest 5.3 kernels from 18.04 HWE is racist :-)
[20:55] <shibboleth> npm, black lives matter, turn on cnn to watch them tar and feather a monster who doesn't care
[20:56] <npm> sorry, i
[20:56] <npm> i'm busy fixing bugs caused by renaming "master" branch in git
[20:57] <shibboleth> oh
[20:57] <shibboleth> that is totally uncouth
[20:57] <npm> yeah, and i can't use a master key anymore, nor have a master-copy of media.
[20:58] <shibboleth> npm, and the blacklists? oh, the blacklists
[20:59] <IAEON> any channel for ubuntu arm support?
[21:06] <spacefrog> solved my own problem
[21:06] <spacefrog> needed the gtk3+ integration package
[21:06] <skm> tell us about your problem
[21:06] <skm> ye
[21:08] <skm> spacefrog: libreoffice is now pretty?
[21:08] <glue11> Hi everyone, for some reason unattended-upgrade is not updating my package list, though if update manually, it installs packages for me. Any idea what's going on? I think I have the right option set to enable updating the package list: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"
[21:13] <sarnold> glue11: iirc unattended-upgrade will install only security updates, not all updates
[21:14] <glue11> For me, it installs security updates if there are updates available. The problem is it never knows when there are updates because it never downloads a new packages list.
[21:15] <SirScott> after upgrading from 18.04 --> 20.04, my /etc/network/interfaces file isn't working - the br0 device doesn't get created. Any ideas?  https://bpa.st/PFPA
[21:15] <sarnold> SirScott: did you reinstall ifupdown?
[21:15] <SirScott> sarnold: I did 'do-release-upgrade' and that's it. If that was included, yes. Do I need to do that manually?
[21:16] <h00k> So, I was on another ubuntu based distro that was using a 5.3 kernel which did *NOT* have a wifi issue I'm having on Ubuntu with the 20.04 5.4.x kernel. I'd prefer to use an older kernel on ubuntu. What's the way to go about that these days?
[21:16] <sarnold> SirScott: I'm not entirely sure what happens on upgrades to 20.04... does ifup and ifdown exist? do they work?
[21:17] <SirScott> sarnold: 'ifup br0' works
[21:17] <SirScott> sarnold: 'ifup br0 -> ifup: interface br0 already configured'  (because i have done so manually.)
[21:17] <sarnold> SirScott: hmm, okay, then I was headed off into the weeds ;) sorry
[21:20] <SirScott> sarnold: ah, i see an article about how to switch back to /etc/network/interfaces, but if it's deprecated I guess I should learn what the correct way is.
[21:22] <sarnold> SirScott: netplan is the new method, the yaml you give it can either turn into networkmanager configs or systemd-networkd configs https://netplan.io/examples#configuring-network-bridges
[21:23] <SirScott> sarnold: thanks, i'll give that a whirl!
[21:24] <jsubl2> which dl should i do to get the unity desktop
[21:25] <seven-eleven> hi do you see any conflicts to 20.04 packages in this package DSC file? http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/18.2/xUbuntu_18.04/bareos_18.2.5-144.1.dsc
[21:26] <sarnold> seven-eleven: what problem are you trying to solve?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !unity | jsubl2
[21:27] <seven-eleven> sarnold, i want to upgrade to ubuntu 20.04 but the application bareos packages only for 18.04, not 20.04 yet
[21:27] <seven-eleven> to me it looks like i could just install that package on 20.04 though, I don't see any depedency issue, but im not sure
[21:28] <sarnold> seven-eleven: aha; the binary dependencies are tracked in the debian/control file in the source package itself, you can't spot those in the .dsc
[21:28] <seven-eleven> oh
[21:29] <jsubl2> does the latest ubuntu desktop tweak gnome. or is it pretty much the default gnome
[21:29] <seven-eleven> sarnold, do I find it in the tar.gz here: http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/18.2/xUbuntu_18.04/
[21:30] <seven-eleven> bareos_18.2.5.orig.tar.gz that is?
[21:30] <seven-eleven> found it in the tar.gz yeah
[21:31] <seven-eleven> sarnold, debian/control: http://ix.io/2pmV
[21:31] <Bashing-om> jsubl2: I do not run gnome so can not say -- as to Unity there is also "Ubuntu Unity Remix 20.04" : https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-unity-remix-20-04/15968 .
[21:31] <seven-eleven> is there a tool where I can simply copy the depedencies inside and the tool calculates for me if there are issues?
[21:32] <jsubl2> tx Bashing-om
[21:32] <jsubl2> i been reading the latest techrepublic article on unity.  they were a fan
[21:33] <sarnold> seven-eleven: because that uses openssl and mysql, I'm a little hesistant to say it'll just work -- I suggest trying it out on a test system first
[21:33]  * StatelessCat MEOW !
[21:39] <seven-eleven> sarnold, hm, the best would be the maintainer itself adds 20.04 support, because in worst case the code is not compatible to newer mysql/openssl versions. but waiting to upgrade to 20.04 only because of that package would be annoying too :-)
[21:39] <seven-eleven> unfortunately all my computers are backed up by that software
[21:41] <sarnold> seven-eleven: it might be worth spinning a VM to find out how well it'll work -- it might go fine, it might require a rebuild, or it might even require patching... it's hard to guess
[21:41] <seven-eleven> mhm
[22:44] <jjbuggle> q: how can I prevent my mouse from waking up my laptop from suspend?  I close my laptop lid and if I move my mouse, it immediately wakes up again, which is not a useful behavior for me.
[23:33] <mnabid> hi
[23:33] <quadrathoch2> hi mnabid
[23:41] <admin0> hi .. how do I run a script on every user login ?
[23:41] <admin0> in ubuntu bash
[23:41] <admin0> i tried to put a script inside /etc/profile.d/ and chmod 755 .. but does not seem to execute
[23:42] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I have an ubuntu system here that has the HWE Stack installed that doesn't really need it, how can I remove the HWE stack or can it even be removed once it's installed?
[23:42] <Kali_Yuga> or should I just leave it alone now
[23:43] <Velarde> admin0: I might be very wrong but you could try placing it on xinitrc
[23:43] <quadrathoch2> Kali_Yuga it doesn't really hurt honestly
[23:43] <admin0> its a ubuntu server without any x installed
[23:43] <admin0> the only package installed is ssh
[23:44] <quadrathoch2> admin0 then it should be bashrc
[23:44] <Kali_Yuga> quadrathoch2: okay I get I will then
[23:45] <Kali_Yuga> quadrathoch2: thx
[23:45] <quadrathoch2> yw Kali_Yuga
[23:46] <Velarde> but isn't bashrc for individual users?
[23:46] <quadrathoch2> well he was asking for at user login *shrug*
[23:46] <admin0> any user login to be sure
[23:47] <Velarde> he said on every user login
[23:47] <admin0> i want to get a notice when any ssh user logs in to the jumphost saying "user X has logged in from $ipaddr"
[23:47] <Velarde> I'm not really sure
[23:47] <quadrathoch2> oh admin0 sorry I misunderstood you
[23:47] <gova> have you tried /etc/profile
[23:48] <admin0> yep .. i put a script in the end of the /etc/profile that pings 8.8.8.8 -c 1 .. then tcpdump host 8.8.8.8 to check if it executes, it did not
[23:49] <quadrathoch2> admin0 btw, what do you mean by notice?
[23:49] <quadrathoch2> notification or email or..? ^^
[23:49] <gova> Did you try to manually run that script and it executes? (assuming it is a separate script called from /etc/profile)
[23:49] <admin0> manually it executes fine
[23:49] <admin0> oh .. i put the direct command to profile
[23:50] <quadrathoch2> :3
[23:50] <admin0> i need to call the script from profile ? that i did not do
[23:50] <sarnold> admin0: and if the user changes their shell to tcsh? what then?
[23:50] <sarnold> admin0: do yo ustill want the script to run? or no?
[23:51] <gova> I don't think it would make difference, I was just wondering that missing shebang or +x could be the case
[23:52] <sarnold> admin0: keeping track of user logins sounds more like a task for reading /var/log/auth.log or systemd-journald logs or auditd logs -- all of which can be sent to a log collection host
[23:52] <admin0> didn't work
[23:53] <admin0> sarnold, well actually, the login script connects to a rest api and downloads/activates his training course from first login
[23:54] <admin0> all google documents point to either /etc/profile or bashrc or profile.d which did not worked in my case :(
[23:55] <gova> if nothing works, try to configure libpam and look at pam_exec module
[23:56] <admin0> actually, creating /etc/ssh/sshrc worked ( for ssh use cases )
[23:56] <admin0> that solves 1/2 the issue of people login in via ssh
[23:56] <admin0> still trying to figure out to trigger a script based on console login
[23:57] <sarnold> hmm, if it's just the first login, you could do something like set their shell to a program that does the http rest request, then tries to change their shell to bash, then runs bash