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[10:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks. Are you able to test ayatana things? Working on https://github.com/Xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter/issues/74, but making either indicator backend optional at build-time.
[11:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: I can absolutely try to build it of course, but last time I tried running with either I couldn't get a indicator to show up.
[11:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, I'll ping you when I have something to test :)
[11:34] <Unit193> Got any pointers on making indicators show up?  Will we be using the Ayatana or other backend?
[11:35] <Unit193> If it's a configure switch rather than just auto detection, we can add both and make an ifdef Ubuntu thing, thus syncing the package still. \o/
[15:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://github.com/Xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter/commit/9c50d93d3c52623183e3562ed3f033533a672fbc - Supports both backends, prefers ayatana, if ayatana libraries aren't present it falls back to unity, can be overridden with configure flag `--with-libindicator=ayatana|unity`
[15:01] <bluesabre> (at build time)
[15:02] <bluesabre> For making indicators show up... it's been a while :D
[15:05] <bluesabre> Looks like it's just the indicator name, without  any extras, so messages is `messages`:
[15:05] <bluesabre> $ cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf 
[15:05] <bluesabre> [greeter]
[15:05] <bluesabre> indicators = ~host;~spacer;~session;~language;~a11y;~clock;~power;messages
[19:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, I'm not able to get indicators of either type to load... and I think it might be because the greeter has a hard dependency on upstart for starting the indicators :o
[19:37] <jphilips> bluesabre: reminder about these https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pulls
[20:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: seems like its been broken for a while :\
[20:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: if the greeter isnt used as lockscreen thats probably less of a problem though
[20:27] <misko_> Hey devs and devils
[20:28] <misko_> I've settled for a window instead of GtkPopover
[20:28] <misko_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82bCIkLWsd0
[20:29] <misko_> Popover needs a window to display
[20:29] <misko_> and menu is ussualy too small
[20:29] <misko_> imean panel is too small
[20:35] <ochosi> misko_: i think i
[20:35] <ochosi> 've never seen this plugin before
[20:35] <ochosi> so it's supposed to be a shortcut for certain xfdesktop settings?
[20:36] <misko_> Yes
[20:36] <ochosi> a-ha
[20:36] <misko_> https://github.com/Misko-2083/desktop-icons-applet
[20:37] <ochosi> generally speaking this made me think that i could add an entry for desktop settings to the "show desktop" plugin
[20:37] <misko_> uses libxfconf-0
[20:37] <ochosi> that comes with the panel (depending on whether xfdesktop-settings is found in path)
[20:38] <ochosi> but i think i don
[20:38] <ochosi> 't personally buy into exposing those other settings
[20:38] <ochosi> but that's just me :)
[20:44] <misko_> One setting to "hide desktop" in the "show desktop" plugin would be nice :)
[20:45] <misko_> ochosi have you seen a jgmenu xfce panel plugin?
[20:49] <ochosi> hide desktop?
[20:50] <ochosi> what does that mean?
[20:50] <ochosi> no, what's jgmenu?
[20:52] <misko_> jgmenu is a X11 menu that uses cairo and pango written by Johan Malm
[20:52] <misko_> no gtk or qt whatsoever
[20:53] <ochosi> what would i use it for?
[20:54] <misko_> I've written a plugin that sets some TINT2 variables that jgmenu reads and positions itself next to the panel button
[20:54] <ochosi> or: what's the selling point over using gtkmenu?
[20:54] <misko_> https://youtu.be/rsK-H7seyJw?t=49
[20:54] <misko_> Sorry about the video slow VM
[20:55] <misko_> jgmenu can also read from stdin
[20:57] <ochosi> no worries about the slow vm
[20:58] <ochosi> i maybe still don't get what sets this apart from other menus - is it that you have some layouting things you can trigger with the "templating"?
[21:03] <misko_> Well it's designed for scripting, ricing and tweaking.
[21:14] <misko_> ochosi https://jgmenu.github.io/jgmenututorial.7.html
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[23:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: That's how it worked for me too, glad I'm not the only one.  Should I still try that?
[23:08] <Unit193> enable_indicator_services_command="upstart --user --startup-event indicator-services-start"  ah, right.