[01:36] Izaic - interesting, thanks. I guess mine is just bad [01:37] Is it possible to resize their keyboard especially in landscape [01:37] + [01:37] ? [02:43] (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/eKa5bEnB.png [02:45] Oh man sorry about the lantern Screw up. [02:50] @Kaptainzer0 [Oh man sorry about the lantern Screw up.], you can delete your own messages, btw :) [02:56] Is there a way to install anbox for testing on the pinephone yet? [02:56] Or do I have to build the kernel with the flags myself? [02:57] i don't know, but probably yes [02:58] I tried the generic install instructions and it complained about a bad kernel [03:02] anbox is very experimental still on the android based phones, and so has not been anywhere near a priority on mainline devices, when there's still so many other things lacking parity [03:15] Ganvix Gust was added by: Ganvix Gust [03:59] Zeb was added by: Zeb [05:22] NetBSD is extremely well supported on the Pinebook Pro but have you guys heard anything about support for the Pinephone? … https://bentsukun.ch/posts/pinebook-pro-netbsd/ [05:24] Apparently Pine64 gave a bunch of the Pinebook Pros to NetBSD’s developers at developer meetup and since that time there has been first class support. I’m not sure how the SOCs compare or if any work is going on in the Pinephone space with NetBSD. If any of you guys have heard anything of the like I’d love to hear more about anything of [05:24] the sort. :) [05:30] @dopefish [Apparently Pine64 gave a bunch of the Pinebook Pros to NetBSD’s developers at de …], You will probably find more info in a pine64 or NetBSD group. Not really on topic here. [05:31] @lonerider_one [You will probably find more info in a pine64 or NetBSD group. Not really on topi …], People talked about the OpenSuse port in here. [05:35] Sure, but you probably wont get much info here. [05:35] And it's still off topic [05:36] They’re both different systems. I’m asking if anyone else has heard anything related. Chill. [05:39] I am chill. I'm just trying to direct you to somewhere you might get an answer. [05:39] Do with it what you will. [07:01] @dohbee [and otherwise, nobody has written any native app to do video calling yet], You are right. But jitsi meet works browser only. That would be a start. Audio already works. [07:01] I am curious if video works on pinephone with jitsi... [07:27] thepersonnotfound was added by: thepersonnotfound [08:05] Anyone working on towards integrating next cloud for contacts mails and photos as an alternative for Google photos for UT? [08:09] @dohbee [chromium for linux doesn't support running on top of android, and qtwebengine is …], Got it thanks for the reply [09:14] Horst Stamm was added by: Horst Stamm [10:09] docjuhnk was added by: docjuhnk [10:13] Hi everyone! … A quick question: Whenever someone tries to call me on my FP2 they get a message that I am currently unavailable. I receive a message about the missed call - also without delay. … Also I cannot really change the settings for call forwarding. … I have a feeling this happens since the OTA-12 update. … Is anyone experiencing [10:13] similar issues? [11:49] Yaropolk Belousov was added by: Yaropolk Belousov [13:32] Pili_P was added by: Pili_P [13:33] Hey, just to know, how hard is it to port UBport to an unsupported phone ? (samsung a5 2016) [13:36] @docjuhnk [Hi everyone! … A quick question: Whenever someone tries to call me on my FP2 they …], To be sure you would have to insert the sim into another phone where you can verify that no call forwarding is set or reset all things, or maybe via the maintenance page of your carrier, if you could do it from there. In general we changed not [13:36] hing to lower parts of the Android container that receives calls, so its very unlikely it broke [13:43] @Pili_P [Hey, just to know, how hard is it to port UBport to an unsupported phone ? (sams …], Hello, is your device Treble enabled? If yes, you can port Halium to it. [13:43] @Pili_P [Hey, just to know, how hard is it to port UBport to an unsupported phone ? (sams …], [Edit] Hello, is your device Treble enabled? If yes, you can port Halium to it and use UBPorts GSI [13:49] @Anghirrim [Hello, is your device Treble enabled? If yes, you can port Halium to it and use …], What is Treble ? [13:50] @Anghirrim [Hello, is your device Treble enabled? If yes, you can port Halium to it and use …], [Edit] How do I check that ? [13:50] Ah bah je me disais bien que ton pseudo me parlait. 😁 [13:50] [Edit] @Pili_P Ah bah je me disais bien que ton pseudo me parlait. 😁 [13:52] @Anghirrim [@Pili_P Ah bah je me disais bien que ton pseudo me parlait. 😁], Le monde des custom rom est petit 💁 [13:53] @Flohack [To be sure you would have to insert the sim into another phone where you can ver …], Hi Florian, thanks for the answer. I'll check for that. … I have already tested turn call forwarding off via phone. So far to no lastinh results: It was possible to call me once or twice, but when I went to system settings, the error reoccured. [13:53] That's why I suspected it's git something to do with ubuntu touch. … I'll check again when I get the chance and let you know. [13:54] @Pili_P [Le monde des custom rom est petit 💁], speak english please. я тоже могу на своем родном языке писать, но зачем? [13:54] @Pili_P [Le monde des custom rom est petit 💁], Yep. … Back to English, you can check on Internet or on @phh Github [13:55] @Anghirrim [Yep. … Back to English, you can check on Internet or on @phh Github], It's a telegram group ? [13:56] I found this, is it what you're talking about ? https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-android-oreo/ [13:56] treble_experimentations/README.md at master · phhusson/treble_experimentations · GitHub … https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/blob/master/README.md [13:56] He's on /e/ channels as well. [13:58] @Anghirrim [He's on /e/ channels as well.], Perfect, thanks, I'try that when I have a moment :) [13:59] @vtsoft [speak english please. я тоже могу на своем родном языке писать, но зачем?], Я тоже могу [14:00] Really why. [14:02] Home · phhusson/treble_experimentations Wiki · GitHub … https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/wiki [14:02] @Pili_P [14:03] @vtsoft [speak english please. я тоже могу на своем родном языке писать, но зачем?], Even to say hello quickly? [14:03] @vtsoft [speak english please. я тоже могу на своем родном языке писать, но зачем?], [Edit] Even to say hello quickly? 😁 [14:10] Damn, it isn't there... So no UBports for this phone ? [14:11] I don't feel confident enough to try building by myself, so I think I'll have to wait untill this phone is dead to try UBports... [14:12] Unless a native port... No [14:15] And I guess native ports requires much more experience in the domain ? [14:23] Yes, I think so [14:31] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/odraYCdz.webp [14:50] (Photo, 624x654) https://irc.ubports.com/1H0uGnp2.png @cypressforexfxt … https://t.me/joinchat/SfaOTkdzfH2I5WCsp9l-jw [15:06] hi there, i have kind of bricked my oneplus 1, after flashing it’s stuck here (it won’t boot into recovery mode): [15:06] (Photo, 956x1276) https://irc.ubports.com/UAAAsRv0.png [15:15] @Ajay Sahu [Anyone working on towards integrating next cloud for contacts mails and photos a …], That would be nice. Currently on my iPhone I’m using ActiveSync Exchange on my self-hosted webserver to send & receive email from my my email server, to sync contacts, notes, calendars, ect... but a similar solution would be very nice on Ubun [15:15] tu Touch. [15:15] @Ajay Sahu [Anyone working on towards integrating next cloud for contacts mails and photos a …], [Edit] That would be nice. Currently on my iPhone I’m using ActiveSync Exchange on my self-hosted webserver to send & receive email from my email server, to sync contacts, notes, calendars, ect... but a similar solution would be very nice on [15:15] Ubuntu Touch. [15:16] hello how are you friends [15:18] @Ajay Sahu [Anyone working on towards integrating next cloud for contacts mails and photos a …], Afaik nope, it was discussed before but the problem is the lack of manpower.. anyone who is interested in this could help with it. You are more than welcome :) [15:19] https://ubports.com/foundation/sponsors [15:19] Donations are always welcome [15:27] @malditobastardo [Afaik nope, it was discussed before but the problem is the lack of manpower.. an …], Thanks ... I am working towards making UT sustainable will put more developers to work.., since i belong India budget and manpower isn't an issue, i want to discuss prospecting for business use case with the concerned person or communi [15:27] ty who are open for discussion [15:30] We are working towards converting budget phone companies like xiaomi, realme, oppo, vivo, one plus etc as reusable.. Phones will are major functions and development with UT to make it sustainable and commercial [15:32] The good thing about Chinese phones are that they are quite affordable, the bad thing is that.. They have 3rd class softwares and OS majorly copied from ios and since privacy has become a major concern especially among business class.. UT has huge potential to tap the privacy concerned business customer segment [15:47] On pine phone, dev channel, Morph running desktop mode, I can see video of others in a jitsi video call. Camera and mic from phone not working (although this is a pinephone issue in general, not specific to jitsi). [16:05] does torch light work with UT? (on oneplus 1) ? [16:05] @Soscat House [On pine phone, dev channel, Morph running desktop mode, I can see video of other …], Cool. That sounds like there is some hope of getting jitsi working on other phones too in the near future. [16:06] @Federica Galli [does torch light work with UT? (on oneplus 1) ?], There is two device classes. Some use Utorch app. Some use a torch in battery indicator. Not sure about your device though. [16:07] @Federica Galli [does torch light work with UT? (on oneplus 1) ?], I believe it should work. Check the battery indicator panel [16:07] @Danfro [There is two device classes. Some use Utorch app. Some use a torch in battery in …], ok thanks, i don’t see anything in the battery indicator [16:07] i will check utorch [16:09] @Javacookies [I believe it should work. Check the battery indicator panel], you are right! it’s there and it works 👍👍 thanks! [16:18] Hey i am just about to buy new headphones. Do bluetooth headphones work well with UT? [16:20] sadly it varies on each headset/speaker … for example, it has problems with my JBL Go but works well on my Sony SBH-20 [16:21] Thanks. [16:21] i think just streaming audio might work well, but switching between a2dp and hfp/hsp profiles does not work well [16:31] @bendoverboi [Hello. Guy with a one plus 6t. I saw a guy make a gsi guide but it requires Linu …], Hey, if you still want it - there is build by erfan [16:31] And I've made guide for flashing, because official didn't work for me :/ [16:46] [Edit] And I've made guide for flashing, because official didn't work for me :/ … all links are there: https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/OnePlus-6(t)-(fajita---enchilada) [16:49] @Federica Galli [does torch light work with UT? (on oneplus 1) ?], I works on mine [17:07] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/xz9ckVYf.png Good day to all. There is a question regarding "teleports" the application is very good and it helped me a lot. With the help of different bots, I can receive notifications that are not available (not yet available) in the morph browser. But now, I was faced with a minor nuisance, [17:07] it is not critical, but it forces me to make "extra movements". I am attaching 2 screenshots showing the lack of functions. Can this be fixed? [17:07] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/6RidZIM3.png [17:22] i can't read cyrillic so not sure exactly what you mean other than the `/cancel` apparently not being a link in teleports [17:23] but teleports doesn't have 100% parity with official telegram app yet, indeed [17:28] @dohbee [i can't read cyrillic so not sure exactly what you mean other than the /cancel a …], yes these are links "Вперед" this is a button to go to the next video [17:29] @Jaymz665 [yes these are links "Вперед" this is a button to go to the next video], you can report an issue about it at https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports [17:29] Ок [17:34] @mrcyjanek [And I've made guide for flashing, because official didn't work for me :/ … all lin …], I just sadly don't have a linux running PC. I don't exactly have the HDD storage either. I gave my wd 750GB to my brother. [17:35] @bendoverboi [I just sadly don't have a linux running PC. I don't exactly have the HDD storage …], Oh okay [17:35] So you are running under windows? [17:38] I think that if you would grab fastboot.exe and adb.exe and it should work [17:38] As I don't do any linux-specific things there [17:48] If you want to do this now, I can help [17:56] @Ajay Sahu [Anyone working on towards integrating next cloud for contacts mails and photos a …], There is a cloud UT group that you might like to join [17:58] @Stereofont [There is a cloud UT group that you might like to join], Thanks do you have the links also i wanted to discuss commercial purpose usage whom should be the right person / group to contact? [17:59] @Ajay Sahu [Thanks do you have the links also i wanted to discuss commercial purpose usage w …], I imagine the UBports Foundation directly, if there are licensing proposals [17:59] @Ajay Sahu [The good thing about Chinese phones are that they are quite affordable, the bad …], The thing about those Chinese phones is that they are not really sustainable, and materials aren't ethically sourced. [18:00] @Ajay Sahu [Thanks do you have the links also i wanted to discuss commercial purpose usage w …], I am not in it. Hopefully someone who is will drop by and add you [18:00] @Ajay Sahu [Thanks ... I am working towards making UT sustainable will put more developers t …], I suppose it depends on what your intent is here. If you just want to start a business and pay people to work on tasks for Ubuntu Touch, you can just do that [18:01] @dohbee [The thing about those Chinese phones is that they are not really sustainable, an …], As far as i know xiaomi has got good hardware, i have tested it..rest i have to see that.. My prime focus is mostly on Xiaomi and one plus .. Rest will see later [18:02] @UBports_cloudsters is the group [18:02] having decently performing hardware, and having sustainable/ethical hardware, are not the same thing, though :) [18:03] for the latter, you might want to talk to the fairphone people, and see the difficulties and troubles they deal with to find better sourcing for their hardware, and building a repairable device [18:04] @dohbee [having decently performing hardware, and having sustainable/ethical hardware, ar …], True and i agree with you, but you see Inorder to start things.. And have a market testing.. That's a good idea.. Ethical hardware Is something we can see once market testing is done.. And have feedbacks.. [18:06] dark_noob was added by: dark_noob [18:08] @dohbee [I suppose it depends on what your intent is here. If you just want to start a bu …], In coming Weeks, we are building a portal, so that ppl can give their old xiaomi phones or who are willing to volunteer in testing... We will take care of testing it across all xiaomi devices then will collect data on improvements or faulty lin [18:08] es, here in India resource both human and overall is low.. And we have good quality developers here.. Initially all essential apps will be developed for business professionals and Then i am looking forwards for a licencing model.. [18:09] With community and UB ports intrest lines [18:11] Gopi15 was added by: Gopi15 [18:11] well, Ubuntu Touch is not at feature/functionality parity with Android or iOS. Just getting ports working on more devices won't really change that either. [18:13] there's a lot that needs to be done in the core system to get there, and we of course need developers for that [18:14] for UBports Foundation to be able to pay developers, it needs lots of donations, steadily and reliably [18:14] @dohbee [well, Ubuntu Touch is not at feature/functionality parity with Android or iOS. J …], I know.. and i understand that.. But with anbox isolated android apps can run in container environment [18:14] anbox is not fully functional and is still very experimental [18:14] there are many things that just won't work in it. it also needs developers [18:15] @dohbee [there's a lot that needs to be done in the core system to get there, and we of c …], Let's discuss over it.. I'll take care of the development part and will add network for you guys, just need to understand the core vision and tech stuff that you are having in mind [18:16] @Ajay Sahu [Let's discuss over it.. I'll take care of the development part and will add netw …], what do you mean by "development" exactly though? porting to other android devices? [18:17] @dohbee [what do you mean by "development" exactly though? porting to other android devic …], No.. Development as in developing the core OS, UT, Testing and porting is a separate thing that we will keep on doing side by side.. [18:19] it's not an easy thing to just dive into without lots of experience, and knowing what's going on there already. random android devs won't be able to do much, if anything, in the UT side. [18:20] Yeah. Ubuntu touch's code is a bit of a beast. [18:21] there are hundreds of repos, multiple languages and build systems, etc… [18:21] No, won't put random android devs into it you guys give a KT And your vision coz.. I have some commercial vision to it..bringing in required coders for its work isn't much of a problem here.. [18:22] So your saying you'd pay for developers to work on ubuntu touch? [18:22] @dohbee [there are hundreds of repos, multiple languages and build systems, etc…], That we will dive into step by step.. [18:23] Why not just donate to ubports so they can hire the people they need? [18:23] @Izaic [So your saying you'd pay for developers to work on ubuntu touch?], Yes.. [18:23] The biggest problem for them is funding... If they had more funding they could probably find the people they need. [18:23] That's the reason the pinephone community editions were made, to help raise money for the various projects [18:24] @Izaic [Why not just donate to ubports so they can hire the people they need?], Coz I'll hire ppl in india, its cost effective if needed some donations can be made.. The currency diffrence is more.. Further if market testing and market research and use case is made early stage funding can be granted easily [18:26] With pine phone a set of problem is solved which is in line with your vision, with custom UT ROM s a certain different set of problem can be solved.. Which is in my understanding a much bigger problem [18:28] The UBportsCommunity, or UBports is a charitable Foundation under the German law (gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts), whose mission is to support the collaborative development of Ubuntu Touch and to promote the widespread use of UT. from https://ubports.com/foundation/ubports-foundation [18:30] the goal of Ubuntu Touch (UT) is to be the "perfect personal phone operating system," with respect for freedom and privacy, is developer friendly and secure, and supports convergence. which UBports community maintains and develops [18:31] Here software is a major problem in xiaomi, one plus phones, they are prone to data breach and hacking.. The problem is in whole of Asia and India is the biggest consumer or Chinese phones especially xiaomi.. With current situation the govt Is looking for some reliable and secure OS for data protection which is affordable.. The same use [18:31] case is with business ppl tere [18:31] Here [18:31] @dohbee [the goal of Ubuntu Touch (UT) is to be the "perfect personal phone operating sys …], Great to hear that [18:32] even with UT there are still unresolvable security issues in phones that were built as android devices and must run ancient kernels with proprietary binaries for drivers [18:32] and there are no firmware updates for the ancient bluetooth/wireless chips, that have security vulnerabilities [18:37] Okay all these problems shall be addressed.. We Will look into things one by one.. Good quality development community and funding is something important.. Donations are good.. I don't doubt it.. But i believe Its not sustainable.. In longer runs.. Also an Os Like this needs public appreciation and lime light here Hardly anyone knows abo [18:37] ut UT, so again some commercial lines shall be looked into [18:38] i think you're thinking about the business model concepts wrong. UBports is a non-profit organization. it is not a business that sales things for profit [18:39] growth and sustainability are not the same thing [18:39] Sailfish os has got a decent business market, even Kai os has got they were solving those problems and thus have certain commercial segment to it.. UT has. Its own use case and will impact a lot of ppl [18:40] sailfish OS for the most part is based on the same libhybris base as ubuntu touch so suffers from a lot of the same issues (proprietary kernel blobs etc.) despite being a commercial endeavour [18:41] @dohbee [i think you're thinking about the business model concepts wrong. UBports is a no …], Right i agree.. I think the best way could be licencing.. For third party companies.. Like if I have one and i am using it.. I shall pay a certain X amount to UB foundation [18:41] So that they can carry out their mission and vision [18:41] Ubuntu Touch is open source. Though, the Ubuntu trademarks are not free to use [18:43] @dohbee [Ubuntu Touch is open source. Though, the Ubuntu trademarks are not free to use], Yes, i know.. Let's discuss in detail I'll draft a plan for the same, then you guys let me know.. about tour thoughts [18:45] I have seen brilliant open source projects in Linux.. But they all suffer some sort of issues sometimes financial sometimes with team sometimes with philosophy, the idea should be *if you have something, show it to the word, have a value for it, getting commercial or non commercial is a choice and part of vision, " [18:45] (i am not a member of the board) [18:46] if only it were that easy [18:46] (if it were that easy, none of us would be worried about money ever again) [18:46] *something great, show it to they world *", typo errors [18:47] @dohbee [(if it were that easy, none of us would be worried about money ever again)], Will sort out those issue.. Have confidence over others [18:47] Over it [18:48] @dohbee [(i am not a member of the board)], Okay.. Who are the right ppl, /group, to contact and have discussions? [18:48] @Ajay Sahu [Okay.. Who are the right ppl, /group, to contact and have discussions?], there is a contact via e-mail link on the foundation web site [18:49] Alright.. I'll drop a mail.. For the same.. [18:50] Cheers guys you are doing a great job! [18:50] currently there is a rebranding going on. https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/lomiri-new-name-same-great-unity8-265 [18:51] @philmmjr [currently there is a rebranding going on. https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog- …], yes, but that's just for some project names, not Ubuntu Touch nor UBports names [18:51] https://ubports.com/foundation/ubports-foundation/foundation-boardmembers [18:53] Marius right, p [18:53] ? [18:53] Ricardo Mendoza [18:53] use the e-mail please [18:53] I have got his telegram contact from the mentioned page.. [18:54] @dohbee [use the e-mail please], Okay.. [18:54] @philmmjr [Ricardo Mendoza], Alright yeah he is there too. [18:55] I shouldn't contact them on telegram? [18:55] Each one of them have their telegram addresses [18:57] Ricardo has background of Canonical [18:58] Okay i see.. [18:58] PMing randomly on telegram is not the best method for what you want to do, no [19:00] @dohbee [PMing randomly on telegram is not the best method for what you want to do, no], True.. I was thinking of giving some initial warm greeting to them on telegram, followed by mail.. Nevertheless I'll go for mails [19:01] Is everyone out here is from Germany / Swiss.? [19:03] no [19:04] Alright.. [19:08] Germany [19:09] 😁 [19:10] Emoji in telegram are way more advanced :P [19:13] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/TJdNzS7B.webp [19:19] emoji in telegram are bloody irritating, cant just type :) for a smiley face [19:24] androidbrick was added by: androidbrick [19:26] (Photo, 514x739) https://irc.ubports.com/eQwsxD0q.png [19:36] 😁 I like KDE Plasma's ability to spit out emojis with meta + period [19:36] @PiecerEdd That way no matter was messenger or website i use, i can insert emojis of any type [19:37] Would be nifty is plasma mobile somehow includes that some day [19:37] [Edit] Would be nifty if plasma mobile somehow includes that some day [19:42] hmm... i apparently dont have that ability on KDE plasma... [19:43] oh do you mean the krunner emoji search? [19:43] It was added in Plasma 5.18 [19:43] Press meta + period [19:44]