[00:36] <callmepk> good morning
[06:08] <didrocks> good morning
[06:13] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[06:18] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[06:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:31] <duflu> Hi didrocks, jibel, seb128 
[06:32] <didrocks> salut seb128, duflu 
[06:35] <seb128> hey duflu, lut didrocks, how are you today?
[06:35] <duflu> seb128, much better than yesterday. How about you?
[06:36] <seb128> I'm alright, a bit tired but I think I've to expect that for a while
[06:38] <Cruft> So snapd has a service for running autostart apps within snaps, but if no autostart functionality exists, the service still runs...
[06:39] <Cruft> Wouldn't this be better served as a post install hook and if it isn't already, added to the permissions settings?
[07:11] <didrocks> seb128: good, thanks, holidays tonight after a meeting finishing at 7PM \o/ :)
[07:59] <seb128> didrocks, nothing like a busy day before holidays :)
[08:00] <seb128> Cruft, hey, best to talk about snap on #snappy rather than here, you will have the right people for such discussions
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[08:07] <Laney> \o didrocks 
[08:10] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:14] <Laney> duflu o/
[08:16] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you today?
[08:17] <Laney> moin seb128 
[08:18] <Laney> i'm alright, been enjoying the 🔥🔥🔥🔥🌞🌞🌞🌞 already this morning
[08:18] <Laney> should be 27° later!
[08:18] <Laney> and looking forward to an enjoyable day of updating gpg commandlines
[08:19] <Laney> you?
[08:19] <seb128> haha
[08:19] <seb128> nice and sunny morning, n°1 is at the daycare so I should hopefully be able to get some work done :)
[08:19] <Laney> nice
[08:19] <Laney> is that like half time or something?
[08:20] <seb128> we finally started putting him back, this week 3 days (monday, tuesday, thursday)
[08:21] <seb128> I still had one day off to use which I put for wednesday and friday mornings
[08:21] <seb128> next week is really back to business :)
[08:25] <Laney> :>
[08:26] <Laney> tjaalton: hey, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/bionic/ubuntu/ is this something to do with you?
[08:27] <tjaalton> Laney: looking
[08:28] <Laney> it looks like a component-mismatch to me
[08:28] <tjaalton> yes, but how
[08:28] <Laney> libllvm10 is in universe in bionic
[08:30] <tjaalton> yeah that's probably it
[08:30] <tjaalton> libllvm9 is in main
[08:30] <RAOF> Because it was new, right?
[08:30] <tjaalton> yes
[08:31] <Laney> hope this causes libllvm9 to drop off the iso
[08:31] <tjaalton> it should
[08:31] <tjaalton> doubt anything else is using it
[08:31]  * RAOF recalls thinking about this as he released the llvm-10 SRU, bit then forgot 😬
[08:31] <Laney> heh
[08:31] <Laney> RAOF: can you do the promotion, pretty please?
[08:32]  * Laney eyes reverse-depends
[08:33] <RAOF> I'm a little bit EOD, but I'll look at it after my meeting in 2½ hours.
[08:34] <Laney> ok
[09:53] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[09:54] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you today?
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: so... I've found out that monitor issue
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: all good
[09:54] <seb128> Trevinho, the second monitor rotation one?
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yes
[09:54] <seb128> ah, nice
[09:54] <seb128> easy to fix?
[09:55] <Trevinho> seb128: I've also noticed that in that laptop if I enable the fractional scaling with two monitors, it gets applied to the external monitor only :o
[09:55] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, not too bad
[09:55] <Trevinho> so... So.... while still not being "the" bug, is still a relevant bug I suppose
[09:55] <seb128> Trevinho, I though that scaling wasn't working at all on that config?
[09:55] <Trevinho> seb128: that's what I thought
[09:56] <Trevinho> but it actually works in the other outputs but the laptop screen
[09:56] <Trevinho> I need to talk with daniel more about but, tseliot (hey! :)) said that the panel is controlled by intel
[09:56] <Trevinho> so I assume I should look into that side of the driver
[09:57] <Trevinho> tseliot, tjaalton: if you have hints where to look at, regarding where resolution is handled by prime systems would be nice :)
[09:57] <Trevinho> (resolution, and output confgs in general)
[09:58] <Trevinho> for sure, in my system here (GM108M [GeForce 940MX]), when i enable the nvidia driver, the fractional scaling keeps working fine, while it doesn't work in more recent prime configurations I think
[09:59] <tjaalton> Trevinho: assuming the dGPU is just a render slave, it's the iGPU that drives the displays
[09:59] <Trevinho> tjaalton: so, basically the intel driver, right?
[09:59] <tjaalton> right
[10:00] <Trevinho> tjaalton: so, in this laptop (that well, nvida-settings says it's prime, so I assume I've to believe it), when I apply output transformations (scaling) to the laptop panel when nvidia driver is in use, the screen is just expanded but not scaled down to fit the actual panel, while it does for external screens
[10:01] <Trevinho> now... in my own laptop this happens when enabling the nvidia driver
[10:01] <Trevinho> So, I have to imagine that the intel driver has different code paths for recent different configs related to this
[10:02] <Trevinho> it's an intel HD 630
[10:02] <Trevinho> with a GTX 1050
[10:02] <tseliot> Trevinho, the main screen is usually driven by the iGPU. You can check if the dGPU drives the external screens, by using the "power saving" profile, and seeing if the external screens are no longer detected.
[10:03] <Trevinho> tseliot: ah well using "power saving" (i.e. nouveau) the external monitor doesn't work!
[10:03] <tjaalton> yeah in that case the dGPU is not just a render slave
[10:04] <Trevinho> ah! so.... not intel fault here
[10:04] <Trevinho> wondering why nvidia-settings tells me that it's a prime display
[10:04] <tseliot> Trevinho, it sounds like the nvidia driver is actually doing the right thing, intel is not, when outputs from the  dGPU are attached to it
[10:05] <Trevinho> tseliot: ah, sorry, I misread... So ok, nvidia does properly as the external screen is scaled
[10:05] <tseliot> by prime display, I think the panel is really saying that it's Intel driving the screen, and that you should use the main display configuration app instead
[10:05] <Trevinho> but intel does not as the laptop screen isn't scaled
[10:05] <Trevinho> I see, I see
[10:06] <Trevinho> mh, this means I'll have to get the hands dirty trying to understand why intel doesn't work
[10:07] <Trevinho> the weird thing is that it does work properly when nvidia driver is deactivated, so no clue what would be the difference then
[10:21] <Trevinho> tjaalton: should I just look into stuff at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel or there's more then?
[10:22] <tjaalton> Trevinho: that one is not used
[10:22] <tjaalton> modesetting driver in the xserver, or the kernel
[10:22] <Trevinho> so what?
[10:22]  * Trevinho hopes not to have to recompile the kernel... and prays
[10:32] <tseliot> Trevinho, my bet is on the xserver
[10:33] <Trevinho> yeah, will have a look, at least there I've a nice jhbuild setup to work with :P
[11:01] <GunnarHj> Hello seb128, did you forget the SRU part of bug #1884063?
[11:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, no I didn't, it's just a non trivial SRU and I didn't get to it yet
[11:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm going to try for today
[11:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, great. (It's the translations which is my concern.)
[13:30] <hellsworth1> good morning desktopers
[13:30] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[13:30] <seb128> k, it's meeting time again!
[13:31] <hellsworth1> hi i'm good. let's meet :)
[13:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-23
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 23 13:31:16 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <didrocks> hey
[13:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson (out), oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <hellsworth1> o/
[13:31] <jibel> hola
[13:31] <kenvandine> \o
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:32] <seb128> I hope everyone is doing great, let's get started :)
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> nothing desktop
[13:33] <seb128> shrug
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> nothing desktop :p
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> bug #1883920 and bug #1883924 there which I'm going to assign to callmepk
[13:35] <seb128> k, done
[13:35] <seb128> that's it for bionic
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:36] <seb128> nothing new or to review there
[13:36] <seb128> the spice-vdagent one is handled by server people, I will just assign to them
[13:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <seb128> the wsl ones, I assigned for focal as well now
[13:37] <seb128> bug #1884101 I asked to Erich if he plans to work on it
[13:37] <seb128> since he seems he was doing that
[13:38] <seb128> and that is for focal
[13:38] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> bug #1881699
[13:38] <seb128> jibel, did you have a chance to try the pulseaudio update?
[13:39] <seb128> bug #1863282
[13:40] <Laney> we should just accept + assign that pulse one to jibel
[13:40] <hellsworth1> right so that libreoffice one.. there's a problem with libreoffice-gtk
[13:40] <hellsworth1> the menu bar disappears on non-gnome DEs
[13:41] <seb128> Laney, ack for pulseaudio
[13:42] <seb128> hellsworth, is the issue new?
[13:42] <seb128> the description mention 18.04
[13:42] <seb128> also it's not our default desktop and has only one report
[13:42] <hellsworth1> right it was in 18.04 and i thought it would be fixed by upgrading but that wasn't hte case
[13:42] <seb128> I think it's worth investigating and fixing but at this point I'm -1 on rls nomination
[13:42] <hellsworth1> affects 3 ppl..
[13:42] <hellsworth1> but ok
[13:43] <seb128> right, 3 people for 18.04 which is out for 2years+
[13:43] <seb128> doesn't seem to trigger lot of users
[13:43] <hellsworth1> should it only be tag'd if it's new in gg?
[13:43] <seb128> no
[13:43] <hellsworth1> ok
[13:43] <seb128> I'm just saying that it's not impacting our default desktop and the metrics are very low
[13:43] <hellsworth1> you make a good point about it affecting so few folks in 2 years
[13:43] <hellsworth1> -1
[13:43] <seb128> thx
[13:44] <seb128> bug #1865226
[13:45] <seb128> this one was discussed in a call earlier, unsure if that's more for foundations or us
[13:45] <seb128> does anyone fancy doing some pam rules work? ;)
[13:46] <seb128> I think we should accept the nomination, it has got some oem  and corporate requests
[13:46] <seb128> and upstream does ship a pam config and things should be working, we just need to Debian-ify
[13:47] <seb128> k, no objection, I'm going to go with my +1 and see if foundations want to take it, otherwise we will find an assignee
[13:48] <hellsworth1> sounds good
[13:48] <Laney> should be worked on probably
[13:49] <seb128> k, let's do that and move on
[13:49] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:49] <seb128> nothing to review
[13:49] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:49] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:50] <seb128> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/seqtools/groovy/armhf
[13:50] <seb128> block xorg-server
[13:50] <seb128> tjaalton, is that something you are investigating?
[13:50] <seb128> wslu failing to build is for callmepk
[13:50] <seb128> gnome-desktop3 I just uploaded the fix for
[13:51] <seb128> tseliot, bbswitch is something for you?
[13:52] <seb128> libqmi failed on riscv without log, I'm retrying
[13:52] <tseliot> seb128, I don't maintain it, but I help from time to time
[13:53] <seb128> tseliot, k, well if you want to try fixing this one or ping whoever you think should work on it to unblock dkms that would be welcome
[13:53] <seb128> and colord/argyll/risvc seems to be something LocustusOfBorg is handling
[13:53] <seb128> and that's it
[13:53] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:53] <seb128> any other topic?
[13:54] <hellsworth1> none from me
[13:54] <kenvandine> none here
[13:54] <didrocks> nothing
[13:54] <seb128> k, that's a wrap then I guess, nice and efficient meeting, thanks team :)
[13:55] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 23 13:55:01 2020 UTC.  
[13:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-06-23-13.31.moin.txt
[13:55] <didrocks> for the record, ZSys autosnapshot just saved us losing a couple days of work -> job done!
[13:55] <tseliot> seb128, I don't even know why we would build bbswitch on arm64
[13:55] <hellsworth1> thanks!
[13:55] <seb128> didrocks, nice! what failed? wrong rm? :p
[13:56] <tseliot> seb128, I don't really have the time this week. But feel free to disable arm64 from the package for now.
[13:57] <seb128> tseliot, k, thx
[13:57] <didrocks> seb128: dunno, either vscode, wrong make clean… We don’t have any trace of rm in history
[13:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: oh, that looks scary
[13:59] <didrocks> yeah
[14:02] <seb128> didrocks, good that zsys saved the day in any case :)
[14:02] <didrocks> yes :)
[14:33]  * Laney cries
[14:33] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/485558241/buildlog_ubuntu_groovy_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:33] <Laney> kenvandine: fix this!!!!!
[14:34] <kenvandine> crap... the groovy track expired
[14:34]  * kenvandine fixes
[14:35] <Laney> thanks :>
[14:35] <Laney> tracks can expire?
[14:36] <Laney> but that means the libsane1 stuff worked
[14:36] <kenvandine> Laney: fixed
[14:37] <Laney> merci merci
[14:37] <kenvandine> yes... they only last 30 days unless you do a store request open one
[14:37] <kenvandine> usually we immediately close them so they fallback to stable
[14:37] <kenvandine> but we can't do that with snap-sotre
[14:37] <Laney> 😳
[14:37] <kenvandine> store
[14:37] <Laney> oh
[14:37] <Laney> so this one is special somehow
[14:37] <kenvandine> yes
[14:37] <kenvandine> so i'm going to ask for those tracks
[14:38]  * Laney tries another iso build
[15:42] <seb128> kenvandine, could you help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1884428/comments/11 ?
[15:42] <seb128> unsure what to ask on those? if the content interface is connected? 
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128: i'll take care of it
[15:44] <kenvandine> must not be connected
[15:44] <seb128> thx
[15:44] <seb128> how can that happen :(
[15:45] <kenvandine> i've confirmed that revision works for me
[15:45] <kenvandine> i'll comment
[15:45] <seb128> thx