[04:18] @ScardracS [I know, sadly. I have tried once to compile it 😅], If you follow the steps in readme it works fine. I did that recently. It only takes long the first time building the library. Then only clickable is long but ok. But a lot of code... 🤓 [04:19] Actually I can't compile anything as I'm installing Gentoo 😂 [05:05] Rizki Byson was added by: Rizki Byson [05:13] Moshi moshi [05:13] Anyone use Ubuntu touch on whyred here? [05:17] @Rizki Byson [Anyone use Ubuntu touch on whyred here?], Have you searched back through the chat? There are multiple mentions of whyred [05:20] @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [When you ask for help on porting your Nexus 5x, then get left on read. Then just …], Have you searched back through the chat? There are multiple mentions of Nexus 5x [06:23] I have installed Anbox on my XperiaX running UBports but for example the email app crashes every time I try to open an email. Also funny is that after some use I get duplicates of the app icons. Not sure how to debug these and if they are UBports or Anbox bugs... Anyway, I'm very glad to see advances in the development of both of these tech [06:23] nologies. [06:26] @alera_on [], I dont see any Problem with that ^^ [06:26] Is there a way to restart the Anbox "layer" without rebooting? … Would be handy if there was, like on Sailfish you can restart the Alien Dalvik from system tools... [06:48] mridulganga was added by: mridulganga [07:24] @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [When you ask for help on porting your Nexus 5x, then get left on read. Then just …], Did you ask in @Halium group? Several people tried 5X and gave it up as a hopeless task. Understandable if people don't want to get stuck in that glue [07:31] @cichy1173 [Hello. I Have OnePlus One with Ubuntu Touch. … I want to change version from stab …], It is easy to switch channel after install. It doesn't matter which you choose in installer [08:07] @Flohack [I dont see any Problem with that ^^], Thanks. 👍 [09:37] Waterlion was added by: Waterlion [09:45] Good day! Could you add the Sony Xperia Z (C6603) to the list of supported devices? I won't able to create an installer because I don't understand anything about it. You can also use Teamviewer if you prefer 🙏 [10:03] in system settings -> Accounts -> Nextcloud -> URL, I get invalid URL error when I try to add my nextcloud instance. How can I debug what is the issue? [10:04] @alera_on [], Nice one [10:04] @mrcyjanek [Nice one], Thanks. [10:37] How is it possible to turn down the volume when a call is in progress on the Sony Xperia X? When I press the volume up/down buttons it doesnt seem to have any effect. [10:39] @wayneTBT [How is it possible to turn down the volume when a call is in progress on the Son …], I have same issue on op6t [10:39] @mrcyjanek [I have same issue on op6t], Ok, interesting. Thanks for clarifying. [10:52] Jinosh was added by: Jinosh [10:52] Hi friends [10:53] I am a OnePlus 3T user [10:53] I have a doubt [10:53] Can I dual boot UB touck with Android 10? [10:54] Hello guys [10:54] Where can I get Mobian/Debian for my freshly arrived PinePhone? [11:46] @Jinosh [Can I dual boot UB touck with Android 10?], I don't think dual booting is supported. 😔 [11:47] @floop2 [I don't think dual booting is supported. 😔], Oh no [11:49] @Youriinho [Where can I get Mobian/Debian for my freshly arrived PinePhone?], Maybe try @pinephone [12:27] @Jinosh [Can I dual boot UB touck with Android 10?], Can anyone confirm this please? [12:34] Probably not supported. Unless you have a boot loader that supports dual booting. I remember the Nexus 5 Had one. [12:46] Bigtymer110 was added by: Bigtymer110 [13:14] @ineverknowwhatnametouse [Probably not supported. Unless you have a boot loader that supports dual booting …], still not supported by UT, even if you manage to get it working for boot [13:16] fnigi was added by: fnigi [13:21] rikhodipukulinwarga was added by: rikhodipukulinwarga [13:27] @Jinosh [Can anyone confirm this please?], As people said, not supported. However, after having installed UBTouch, you can flash TWRP on your phone and backup/restore UBTouch as for an Android rom. … I did it on my Nexus 5, swapping from UBTouch to previous Android installation. … Only downsides, /data/media can't be shared. UBTouch won [13:27] 't access Android data such as pictures, etc... And with TWRP, you won't be able to update UBTouch. You'll have to flash official UBTouch recovery in case of an update, then flash TWRP back. [13:28] This is all DIY, but at least helps you switching from one OS to another if you wanna test. [13:28] Be noted that for Halium UBTouch based devices, you may not be able to do that. [13:29] Abdan_fitra_mahesya was added by: Abdan_fitra_mahesya [13:29] But I think OP3(T) are natively supported by UBTouch and don't require to be treblized. [13:30] @Jinosh [Can anyone confirm this please?], [Edit] As people said, not supported. However, after having installed UBTouch, you can flash TWRP on your phone and backup/restore UBTouch as for an Android rom. … I did it on my Nexus 5, switching from UBTouch to previous Android installation. … Only downsides, /data/media can't be shared. UBT [13:30] ouch won't access Android data such as pictures, etc... And with TWRP, you won't be able to update UBTouch. You'll have to flash official UBTouch recovery in case of an update, then flash TWRP back. [13:31] (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Y6MxMdTA.png [13:31] See, pictures of my TWRP backups ony Nexus 5 [13:31] @Anghirrim [But I think OP3(T) are natively supported by UBTouch and don't require to be tre …], Ok [13:32] @Anghirrim [As people said, not supported. However, after having installed UBTouch, you can …], Can you explain this much clearly [13:34] On your OP3(T): … - Make a TWRP backup of your current ROM … - Save all your personal data (including the backup) on your PC … - Flash UBPorts, using the UBPorts installer … - Boot UBPorts and play with it, when ready, reboot. … - Under fastboot mode ==> flash back TWRP … - Make a TWRP backup of UBTouch … - Restore you Android ROM backu [13:34] p [13:34] You'll then have two TWRP backups that you can switch on your phone, as on the picture I've just sent [13:35] Better @Jinosh ? 😁 [13:38] @Anghirrim [You'll then have two TWRP backups that you can switch on your phone, as on the p …], But would take more time [13:41] @Jinosh [But would take more time], Yes of course. [13:42] https://youtu.be/25LGxiGdUWU [13:42] Is there any possibility to dual boot like this ? [13:42] An Android os with Ubuntu [13:45] multitom officially supported UT years ago although UT didn't officially support it. If you know how to modify an apk, you can get the latest working version and modify the system image URL from Canonical to ubports [13:59] Is there an app where I can read my Nextcloud News RSS feeds? [14:02] @Jinosh [Is there any possibility to dual boot like this ?], Does OP3T support dual boot? I have an OP3, but never saw it. … If you have a dual boot hack that is working for OP3T, and which is not based on a boot.IMG, why not trying? [14:04] @wayneTBT [Is there an app where I can read my Nextcloud News RSS feeds?], What is nextcloud rss feeds format? [14:05] @Anghirrim [Does OP3T support dual boot? I have an OP3, but never saw it. … If you have a dua …], Yes it supports [14:07] @Kazord [What is nextcloud rss feeds format?], https://github.com/nextcloud/news [14:08] @Jinosh [Yes it supports], OK, seems it has MultiRom as well as DualBoot patcher. [14:08] From that page : newsie [14:08] @Anghirrim [OK, seems it has MultiRom as well as DualBoot patcher.], Yes [14:08] So if you find a way to inject your TWRP backup of UBPorts into MultiRom or the other thing... You're good to go. [14:11] @wayneTBT [Is there an app where I can read my Nextcloud News RSS feeds?], https://open-store.io/app/newsie.martinferretti [14:11] @Javacookies [https://open-store.io/app/newsie.martinferretti], Thank you. [14:12] @Javacookies [https://open-store.io/app/newsie.martinferretti], [Edit] Thank you. Thats great. [14:49] Sorry for the question, but ... is anyone of you using Ubuntu Unity Remix? If so, could I pass on an opinion poll to the group here for those who use Remix to respond and leave their opinion? [14:51] @alera_on [Sorry for the question, but ... is anyone of you using Ubuntu Unity Remix? If s …], please don't post polls here. also Ubuntu Touch is unrelated to Unity 7 (which is what the remix you're talking about uses) [14:53] @dohbee [please don't post polls here. also Ubuntu Touch is unrelated to Unity 7 (which i …], I understand. [14:54] @wayneTBT [How is it possible to turn down the volume when a call is in progress on the Son …], Same here on Xperia. If you find a way to solve this please let me know. Sometimes speaker sound is fine (rare occasions) but mostly it is as if speaking loud is enabled. 😐 [14:58] @Danfro [Same here on Xperia. If you find a way to solve this please let me know. Sometim …], yeah, thats the experience Im having on my Xperia also. [15:30] Elias was added by: Elias [15:32] Hello, I'm using UBport on a pinphone, and I can't install tools via "apt" on the command line, UBport prevents users from having control over the "apt" tool, does anyone have a solution to this problem? [15:34] you should use apt only on Libertine [15:37] Or he can wreck his phone if he is certain he knows what he is doing 😁 [15:38] Then why is apt installed by default if it can't be used? [15:39] It's used to put together the image, and removing it would be more interesting than just leaving it there. [15:39] It can be used in Libertine. It isn't a desktop but you can hack all you want, as long as you don't expect things to work [15:40] I want to take the risk and have control over the packages, do you have a solution to activate the installation without using the libertine version? [15:40] mount / -o remount,rw [15:40] UTtweaktool [15:40] If you want a UI… [15:41] @Elias [I want to take the risk and have control over the packages, do you have a soluti …], if you really want this, you can resize the root partition and mount it as RW like they said. So far, OTA updates doesn't change the size again so may need to resize once but bigger OTAs may overwrite changes you've made in the rootfs [15:42] @Stereofont [UTtweaktool], I believe it's not available in the pinephone due to android specific commands used [15:43] @Javacookies [I believe it's not available in the pinephone due to android specific commands u …], Ahah. Thanks [15:44] Okay, thanks for the information, but is there a detailed document that deals with this topic there, on the ubports wiki? [15:45] There is UT on Pinephone group now. See the News channel [15:45] No, because this is not a supported way to run your device. Things could break, and if you install a system update it will erase your changes [15:45] Fwd from UBports News Channel: Hello to all the new "Piners" that have been receiving their PinePhone UBports Community Edition. We welcome you and would like to say that both UBports, Pine64 and also the broader community will benefit from your contributions. … Get into the community conversation on Telegram: https://t.me/utonpine and [15:45] on both the Pine64 web forum: https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=125 … and the UBports forum: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2403/pinephone … Please also contribute by filing bugs at: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues … #UBports #Pine64 #UbuntuTouch #PinePhone #Lomiri #Community [15:49] Thanks [16:08] o101o was added by: o101o [16:14] KJoken was added by: KJoken [16:14] O [16:16] He there. I watched the UBports destination linux interview last night and it got me rly excited! Looks like you guys have done a great job moving the project along. I have a couple of phone questions I'm hoping someone here can help me with. I see that the OnePlus is listed as working but the progress bars isn't full yet. How ready for da [16:16] ily use (meaning cell calls, texts, wifi and cam function) is it? And is it just the OnePlus three or does that include the OnePlus 3t was well. … Thanks in advance to anyone who can help with my questions and keep up to great work!!! I can hardly wait to get my hands on a phone with a functioning features. [16:22] @o101o [He there. I watched the UBports destination linux interview last night and it go …], also sorry if I'm asking this in the group. Just saw that there is an overflow. should i be asking there? ty again. [16:22] the 3 and 3t can be installed with UT, but there are a few more issues on the 3t as the hardware is slightly different [16:22] i think there's a forum thread about the 3 and 3t [16:26] @dohbee [i think there's a forum thread about the 3 and 3t], got will go have a look? is/are there any other models (you can recommend) that are working well enough for regular use ? I can live without a cam if needed. [16:29] there's unfortunately no devices that have 100% working hardware yet, and various devices may have other issues, because phones are super annoying. so i guess try it and see if it's good enough for you on your device of choice, since it sounds like you already have an op3 [16:32] @dohbee [there's unfortunately no devices that have 100% working hardware yet, and variou …], thank i dont but if i can get working as good @MichaelTunnell got his i'd be happy [16:38] How do I install Redmi Note 7 (lavender) Ubuntu touch? [16:39] #notes [16:43] @konusuzadam [How do I install Redmi Note 7 (lavender) Ubuntu touch?], t.me/halium [16:43] @ScardracS [t.me/halium], Thnx [16:45] TheXpieR was added by: TheXpieR [17:18] @o101o [got will go have a look? is/are there any other models (you can recommend) that …], Xperia X and variants [17:20] @Stereofont [Xperia X and variants], thanks! im reading through the 3 and t posts now. Do you think the "Xperia X and variants" are currently a better bet that 1+ 3/3t? [17:25] @o101o [thanks! im reading through the 3 and t posts now. Do you think the "Xperia X and …], I would say equal but Sony ports have a very active team and many more users, though the community uses mostly German [17:26] Time for another plug for photography.ubuntu-touch.io [17:27] @Stereofont [I would say equal but Sony ports have a very active team and many more users, th …], got it. German, eh? Maybe someone will be nice to me and communicate in english. ty for the info. [17:27] There you can see camera samples. Though you said it isn't important for you [17:27] @o101o [got it. German, eh? Maybe someone will be nice to me and communicate in english. …], I mean the UT Sony group is in German. Deepl is your friend though [17:29] Forum discussion about both is in English [17:31] does anyone have any idea how to make a screenshot with the pinphone under UBports? [17:34] @Stereofont [Forum discussion about both is in English], ty [17:42] @Elias [does anyone have any idea how to make a screenshot with the pinphone under UBpor …], Informations are here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4442/pinephone-how-to-take-a-screenshot?_=1593106872759 [17:55] Looks like I found a phone! Now one last question. On the linked page it says -- Missing: Video recording … Libertine [17:58] Looks like I found a phone! Now one last question. On the linked page it says -- Missing: Video recording & Libertine. I get the video but what is is Libertine? What does it do and how important is it? … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3229/sony-xperia-x-suzu-f5121-f5122 [18:00] it is not important for a phone really [18:01] libertine is for running legacy or CLI apps in a container, when using an external display, keyboard, and mouse [18:15] @o101o [Looks like I found a phone! Now one last question. On the linked page it says -- …], You can check whether gstreamer has fixed that [18:16] Hey! Whenever I try to open an webapp, it fails due to permission denied on shm_open(), (log: paste.ubuntu.com/p/YqRR58YGKr) have anybody seen something like this before? [18:19] @dohbee [libertine is for running legacy or CLI apps in a container, when using an extern …], got it. im never gonna do that. so i feel better not that i was worried. [18:19] @Stereofont [You can check whether gstreamer has fixed that], is this something i do before or after i run the install? [18:22] also it says upgrade to android 8 first. then phone says it ships 6 something. Will i need to do anything special or just the normal/standard upgrade process from within android, when it boots up. And thanks again for the help. [18:22] *all the help [18:24] CzarD0mn was added by: CzarD0mn [18:25] @o101o [is this something i do before or after i run the install?], After installing UT on your Xperia you can install an alternative/patched version of camera app that will have video working. Sadly recently that does not persist after a reboot. But eventually this will get merged and installed properly. [18:26] Xperia works fine as a daily driver. If you really need blutooth you check if you desired device supports your bluetooth device. BT is a bit of a gamble. [18:43] Mister_Tails121 was added by: Mister_Tails121 [18:43] Hello to all! I want to ask if it is possible to change the account password in Ubuntu Touch [18:46] And one more question, is it possible to change the TTL in ubuntu? And then I tried to use the command: echo "net.ipv4.ip_default_ttl = 65" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf. But the terminal complained that I did not have permission to change this file, although in Linux-based systems such a command worked [18:46] Does anyone know how to remove applications under ubports? [18:48] @Mister_Tails121 [And one more question, is it possible to change the TTL in ubuntu? And then I tr …], system is read-only [18:49] @mimecar [system is read-only], Is it possible to get root rights there? Or now you have to survive without rooting [18:51] you can, but that may affect OTA updates. [18:51] @Elias [Does anyone know how to remove applications under ubports?], Open OpenStore. Navigate to the app. Uninstall [19:41] @Stereofont [Open OpenStore. Navigate to the app. Uninstall], Or tap for a few seconds on the app, that will bring the open store page to uninstall as well :) [19:41] or use Utweaktool [19:42] @Mister_Tails121 [Is it possible to get root rights there? Or now you have to survive without root …], on a terminal type `touch .writeable`, then reboot [19:42] @Mister_Tails121 [Is it possible to get root rights there? Or now you have to survive without root …], [Edit] on a terminal type `touch .writeable` and press enter, then reboot [19:55] @mintphin [on a terminal type touch .writeable and press enter, then reboot], I don't think this does anything, what are you testing this on? [19:58] Ubuntu tweak tool has a option to enable read write. … There is a terminal code as well. … I've never had an issue with OTA's after writing something, but OTA's can over write any changes you've made with no warnings. [20:17] @Danfro [After installing UT on your Xperia you can install an alternative/patched versio …], Thanks for the info. TBH I rarely shoot video so its not a big issue and im sure it will get sorted out. I did see on the forums however that someone was saying the picture quality from the camera is pretty bad. But i'm not sure what that means. an [20:17] d I'm coming from a Blu C5 (see link) so I can't imagine how it could be worse than the camera I am using currently. The Xperia is a huge upgrade compared to Blu C5. … https://www.amazon.com/BLU-Android-5Display-Internal-Memory/dp/B07Z5FKKR1 [20:18] This is offtopic I think but someone can help me with terminal in Linux? [20:22] @Danfro [Xperia works fine as a daily driver. If you really need blutooth you check if yo …], Oh I do use blue tooth. what do i need to check verify if I can use BT. And I rly mind jack headphones when I'm out. The only place I tend to use BT is at home. SO if it doesn't work it will be a hit but no where near a deal breaker. [20:23] What did you need help with? [20:24] @MrCoolAndroid [This is offtopic I think but someone can help me with terminal in Linux?], you're right, it is off topic. there are plenty of places to search for that. and we have https://t.me/UBportsOF for overflow discussions that may still be somewhat relevant [20:25] @PhoenixLandPirate [What did you need help with?], Can we talk on DMs about? [20:25] @dohbee [you're right, it is off topic. there are plenty of places to search for that. an …], Thanks [20:25] Margaret Walters was added by: Margaret Walters [20:27] @o101o [Thanks for the info. TBH I rarely shoot video so its not a big issue and im sure …], You can have a look at some example images here: https://t.me/UT_photography [20:28] Good or bad photos depend on your expectations. Xperia is much much better than my E5, so I am happy. Of course they could be better. [20:28] Yeasin Mia Budiman |Cryptodash was added by: Yeasin Mia Budiman |Cryptodash [20:29] I do not bluetooth so I can not give you much help here. If you pick a device and/or have specific hardware that you need, find people with this device and/or your hardware and ask around. [20:29] Selecting the right kernel flags or options, my manufacturer's room and config file with the least amount of errors have 300 errors ^_O. More work then making a basic kernel x64 for a gentoo installation. hmmm. [20:29] [Edit] Selecting the right kernel flags or options, my manufacturer's kernel and config file with the least amount of errors have 300 errors ^_O. More work then making a basic kernel x64 for a gentoo installation. hmmm. [20:30] @a b [Selecting the right kernel flags or options, my manufacturer's kernel and config …], https://t.me/halium is for the low level porting work. but yes, phones are not PCs [20:32] @dohbee [https://t.me/halium is for the low level porting work. but yes, phones are not P …], Hey thanks, might learn something [20:33] I'm not a phone guy in general. Not a fan of android. Anyhow, don't know much about them so just to be safe @dohbee or another one of you UBport informed individual's mind taking a quick look at the phone I just ordered just make sure I didn't screw it up and grab the wrong type/version? I'm pretty sure I got it right but just to be safe. [20:33] Thanks in advance to anyone willing to double check what I got. I'm very excited about having linux on a phone!!! [20:33] @o101o [I'm not a phone guy in general. Not a fan of android. Anyhow, don't know much ab …], https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FJT7N4W?psc=1 [20:33] the description reads correct [20:33] @dohbee [the description reads correct], TYVM [20:40] Also did I hear one of you say in the Destination Linux interview from about for weeks ago, say that the Nexus 4 (maybe it was the 5) only had the convergence part working. Meaning no cell/data function at this time. Or did I misunderstand? I have friend with a 4 and I might be able to get him to give UBports a try. I just don't want to ge [20:40] t his hopes up if there is no cell/data working at the moment. I believe at one point he had Ubuntu Touch running on it. [20:42] @o101o [Also did I hear one of you say in the Destination Linux interview from about for …], i think you misunderstood. most everything works on the nexus 4 (except for hotspot, and maybe wireless display) [20:42] oh great [20:42] I'll let him know [20:57] @UniversalSuperBox [I don't think this does anything, what are you testing this on?], i remember seeing this work on a tutorial of how to use the terminal [20:57] @UniversalSuperBox [I don't think this does anything, what are you testing this on?], [Edit] i remember seeing this on a tutorial of how to use the terminal [20:57] posted about a year ago on the ubports forums [20:57] [Edit] posted about a year ago on the ubports blog [20:58] @mintphin [i remember seeing this on a tutorial of how to use the terminal], i'm pretty sure the filename is `.writable-image` and it doesn't go in the home directory [20:58] ah [20:58] yeah it's a vague memory actually [20:58] then yeah i think it could be that. [20:58] anyway you shouldn't do that [20:59] if one really wants a traditional linux distro on their phone, they should probably be using something other than UT [21:08] (Sticker, 512x506) https://irc.ubports.com/4YDYmWoL.webp [21:08] (Sticker, 512x506) https://irc.ubports.com/nsCGeGad.webp [21:14] rlots was added by: rlots [21:22] @dohbee [if one really wants a traditional linux distro on their phone, they should proba …], not that u were talking to me but I run ubuntu 20.04 on 4 thinkpads and so UT/UBports fits right in. [21:25] @o101o [not that u were talking to me but I run ubuntu 20.04 on 4 thinkpads and so UT/UB …], sure, but Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional linux distro. the rootfs is read-only because the image has to fit in a small partition on the phone, and apt/dpkg is not really secure, and it's harder to support if it were writable. apps are managed wi [21:25] th a life cycle policy, so they don't keep running in the background. they are confined to prevent apps stealing data from other apps, or using location/mic/camera when not allowed, and such [21:25] got it. [21:26] I get it. this is a phone not a laptop or desktop. [21:27] just out of curiosity. Is there a reason why the next pine phone release shipping with alpine and not UBports? [21:28] @o101o [just out of curiosity. Is there a reason why the next pine phone release shippin …], they are doing group buy style sales, and part of the money goes to the community for each community edition. the last one was for UBports, and the next one is for the postmarketOS/Alpine community [21:29] @o101o [just out of curiosity. Is there a reason why the next pine phone release shippin …], pinephone stands on its own. it supports all OS that are supporting pinephone. Therefore, community releases are iterating though thoses OS. [21:29] I asked the same question just some days ago :P [21:30] see https://www.pine64.org/2019/08/19/its-time-to-start-giving-back/ [21:36] @dohbee [they are doing group buy style sales, and part of the money goes to the communit …], got it. sounds like a good move for the broader Linux phone (and I guess linux in general) community. That said UBport and Michael's feedback is what sold me on trying linux a la phone now. I was gonna give it another year or two. Did not expect t [21:36] o giving it a try on a phone this summer. Looking forward to setting it up. #science [21:39] well, TBF android already is "linux on a phone" :) [22:06] @dohbee [well, TBF android already is "linux on a phone" :)], Point taken sir. But #fingerscrossed UBports is not triangulating us, six ways from Sunday and reporting to the government whether or not I'm maintaining proper social distancing. And for the record yes I am. And I'm wearing three masks. Even when using telagram. [22:07] well UBports Foundation is a German not-for-profit entity, so GDPR and all [22:07] Ubuntu Touch is the OS :) [22:16] okay so u kept the name. I thought it changed as a result of the fork. so I call it Ubuntu Touch. Got it. [22:25] James Shlep was added by: James Shlep [22:50] (Photo, 421x768) https://irc.ubports.com/7xpgWxlq.png 😛 [22:54] Hello people, new Nexus 5 owner that just flashed UT. Finally back in the game after not having a device for almost 2 years [22:56] But, while wifi is connected (2.4Ghz or 5Ghz) when I open OpenStore it just spins, white bg. [22:56] I tried a terminal and I can ping the world by name or number. [22:57] I am a total noob btw, but listen to the Q&A audiocasts regularly 😊 [22:57] well, not new to Linux, daily driver since hardy heron [22:58]